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MistahDude July 13th, 2010 7:48 AM

Pokemon Trainer N's evil Plans!
 
This was on Deerling.

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N will keep challenging you in order to confirm his ideas of justice. He calls Pokemon his "friends," but one of the screenshots shows him saying that he wants to split humans and Pokemon and divide them so that the world is black and white. He has the unique idea to set Pokemon free from people. He's looking for the power to grant these ideals.
Power huh? That reminds me of this:

http://pokebeach.com/news/0610/black-white-character-2.gif

In Kanto Team Rocket would use pokemon as tools for battles, and even regular good hearted trainers just use Pokemon for battling purposes. It seems like N wants Pokemon and Humans to be separate again like they were a long time ago in Pokemon History. This is one of those ideas that is good hearted in theory but ends up being really bad, sort of like Communism.

http://i762.photobucket.com/albums/xx264/MistahDude/Nevil.jpg?t=1279036350

pichuspark July 13th, 2010 7:56 AM

Oh gawd, it's PETA :O

Now that you bring the pic with the red-eyed man up, he looks...similar to N. Perhaps he gains some sort of power in order to wipe out humankind and free Pokemon? :O

MistahDude July 13th, 2010 8:02 AM

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Originally Posted by pichuspark (Post 5964943)
Oh gawd, it's PETA :O

Now that you bring the pic with the red-eyed man up, he looks...similar to N. Perhaps he gains some sort of power in order to wipe out humankind and free Pokemon? :O

I dont think N wants to get rid of Humankind. He seems like he just wants them to be separate, but he has to battle you to prove what he is doing is right. Its sort of contradictory.

If there really is an evil team in this game he could be the leader, or he could be against them.

Iceshadow3317 July 13th, 2010 8:03 AM

Or it is a one man team or a small group.

Pandemonioum July 13th, 2010 8:04 AM

Wow, that is so different from all the other evil schemes in Pokémon thus far. I wonder if N is acting alone, without any team backing him up?

So N thinks that Pokémon are slaves used by humans thus trying to be good guy with some weird sense of justice and save them from humans. Well humans really do pit their Pokémon against others like some beasts just to entertain themselfes. This is certainly getting interesting. Well Pokémons in anime accually like their trainers, but it is quite cruel to put them to fight xD

pichuspark July 13th, 2010 8:06 AM

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Originally Posted by MistahDude (Post 5964969)
I dont think N wants to get rid of Humankind. He seems like he just wants them to be separate, but he has to battle you to prove what he is doing is right. Its sort of contradictory.

If there really is an evil team in this game he could be the leader, or he could be against them.

Well, you mentioned he needed some kind of power to seperate Pokemon and humans, so it's possible he finds the power (which I guess is Reshiram or Zekrom) but then he goes all crazy through the power, y'know.

For some reason, I don't think there will be a team. They haven't showed anything yet.

CeroPrimero July 13th, 2010 8:29 AM

So we have theories now on the natural vs industrial/artificial as a game theme and the antagonist is a PETA member. Looks like this generation really will have an environmental message going for it.

raging lion July 13th, 2010 8:30 AM

ZOMG!!! This time we have a psycho trainer N. :p

However I like this idea. Its somewhat different from past ways.
But what about the rumors of Team Plasma??
Are they in the game??

Kirbychu July 13th, 2010 8:30 AM

I hope he leads a team of a bunch of American hippie stereotypes.

Mujahid July 13th, 2010 8:48 AM

This sounds interesting...Team galactic were kinda dumb with all that "new universe" crap but this is promising.A lot can be done with this

Ninja Caterpie July 13th, 2010 8:49 AM

He reminds me sort of of Sho Minamimoto; same matching outfit, same crazy eyes and the same pretentious pose.

His idea is also one of those things that is good in theory, but never works in practice. Just like your communism example.

Azure-Supernova July 13th, 2010 8:57 AM

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N will keep challenging you in order to confirm his ideas of justice. He calls Pokemon his "friends," but one of the screenshots shows him saying that he wants to split humans and Pokemon and divide them so that the world is black and white. He has the unique idea to set Pokemon free from people. He's looking for the power to grant these ideals.
Isn't that what Mewto wanted in Pokémon the First Movie? To free Pokémon of the 'slavery' which humans were subjecting them to? Roundabouts a similar idea, except Mewtwo was slightly more psychotic and wanted humans gone.

I'm surprised we haven't faced a "Pokémon Rights Activist Guild' in a Pokémon game so far.

インフェルノの津波 July 13th, 2010 9:14 AM

I've figured it out.

N is the man's son, or he's using N as a tool to unleash Reshiram or Zekrom!

BeachBoy July 13th, 2010 9:24 AM

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Originally Posted by インフェルノの津波 (Post 5965267)
I've figured it out.

N is the man's son, or he's using N as a tool to unleash Reshiram or Zekrom!

Certainly sounds possible.

So, basically, this N dude wants to separate the population of pokemon and people? Kinda like separating domestic animals and humans? Okay, I guess that's... being active. Interesting peace-guy. O_o

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Originally Posted by Azure-Supernova
I'm surprised we haven't faced a "Pokémon Rights Activist Guild' in a Pokémon game so far.

Perhaps this is the beginning?

Quest July 13th, 2010 9:28 AM

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Originally Posted by BeachBoy (Post 5965317)


Perhaps this is the beginning?


Too true, this could possibly be

Mortalis July 13th, 2010 9:29 AM

I can see that N is really ... what's the word ... self-going. I guess what I'm trying to say is that N really does what his mind wants. He has the right intentions, of creating a better world for Pokemon by separating them from the trainers, probably because he thinks Pokemon feel like slaves or something ...

But of course, like most 'bad-intentioned' rivals, like Silver, we shall cure him of his insane dream. I like his character design and new intentions though, adds a relative new mist to the game.

Storm_has_formed July 13th, 2010 9:33 AM

i like how N's character seems to be! he seems to have a good potential to be an antagonist that the protagonist can actually defeat in reality (not that it matters, but i still like that)

Timbjerr July 13th, 2010 9:41 AM

This N fellow certainly has a cooler design than previous Pokemon villains. Too bad his evil plan is down the same path as Aqua/Magma's well-intentioned extremist brand of villainy. D:

I'm still interested in seeing how the plot plays out. Perhaps N has some ulterior motive like some innate power he has to himself separate from his pokemon that would allow him to conquer the world without pesky pokemon trainers able to do anything. :P

JP July 13th, 2010 9:45 AM

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Originally Posted by インフェルノの津波 (Post 5965267)
I've figured it out.

N is the man's son, or he's using N as a tool to unleash Reshiram or Zekrom!

I can definitely see this happening, and then at the end the protagonists show him the "right path" and perhaps he becomes more of a good guy and sees the wrong in his ideology.

Azure-Supernova July 13th, 2010 9:57 AM

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Originally Posted by JP (Post 5965405)
I can definitely see this happening, and then at the end the protagonists show him the "right path" and perhaps he becomes more of a good guy and sees the wrong in his ideology.

The very idea of that happening makes me cringe. From the sounds of his plan, he's coming off as pretty self-absorbed (not vain, but backs himself 100% regardless) and I like that. Hopefully he's not the main source of evil in the game though, I want a true evil force who wanna do some evil! N's gonna be the guy against the world and that's how it should stay.

Then again that's just how I would personally like it to go...

Charizard★ July 13th, 2010 9:59 AM

N could be the son. either way he sounds pretty cool xD

JP July 13th, 2010 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Azure-Supernova (Post 5965448)
The very idea of that happening makes me cringe. From the sounds of his plan, he's coming off as pretty self-absorbed (not vain, but backs himself 100% regardless) and I like that. Hopefully he's not the main source of evil in the game though, I want a true evil force who wanna do some evil! N's gonna be the guy against the world and that's how it should stay.

Then again that's just how I would personally like it to go...

I see where you're going with that, and I agree. I honestly can't see him as being the main source of evil. He just doesn't seem to give out that feel, just by looking at his design alone. He may just be another rival, possibly working for a greater evil. Or he could just be a stand alone character as well. Either way, he's going to be an interesting character.

Azure-Supernova July 13th, 2010 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by JP (Post 5965479)
I see where you're going with that, and I agree. I honestly can't see him as being the main source of evil. He just doesn't seem to give out that feel, just by looking at his design alone. He may just be another rival, possibly working for a greater evil. Or he could just be a stand alone character as well. Either way, he's going to be an interesting character.

He'd definitely fit as a third rival, probably the most lethal one at that. I don't get an evil vibe off of him either, he'll wind up being that "right reason, wrong means" guy who, by the end of the game, will have either lost sight of his original plan or will have given up and gone into hiding.

But definitely, he will be insteresting!

BeachBoy July 13th, 2010 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Azure-Supernova (Post 5965514)
He'd definitely fit as a third rival, probably the most lethal one at that. I don't get an evil vibe off of him either, he'll wind up being that "right reason, wrong means" guy who, by the end of the game, will have either lost sight of his original plan or will have given up and gone into hiding.

But definitely, he will be insteresting!

Ditto on that thought.

Although, who knows, maybe he could continue his "ideas of justice" through more games. (like... some evil people by the name of Rocket)

Calder July 13th, 2010 10:17 AM

Yeah... I have a feeling hes gonna pour Poke-blood on trainers...

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 13th, 2010 11:40 AM

N's plans remind me a bit of lance's from Pokemon special and Mewtwo's from the movie...
I always wanted to have a rival like him :)

Pandemonioum July 13th, 2010 12:16 PM

Turn N around you get Z for Zoroark, that has took human form by illusion and can talk, he want to free Pokémons because of some personal grudge.

And you can't thus catch Zoroark in game because he is too important to story.

Let's see how close that prediction is to truth :P

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 13th, 2010 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Pandemonioum (Post 5965954)
Turn N around you get Z for Zoroark, that has took human form by illusion and can talk, he want to free Pokémons because of some personal grudge.

And you can't thus catch Zoroark in game because he is too important to story.

Let's see how close that prediction is to truth :P

This is a good theory and would be quite a twist :D

Bloothump July 13th, 2010 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Pandemonioum (Post 5965954)
Turn N around you get Z for Zoroark, that has took human form by illusion and can talk, he want to free Pokémons because of some personal grudge.

And you can't thus catch Zoroark in game because he is too important to story.

Let's see how close that prediction is to truth :P

This is a cool theory, but I don't think it's going to happen. If this was the story, what would be the point of making a Zoroark event with the movie in Japan? Then there would be no point at all to that event because that would mean everyone could get a Zoroark.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 13th, 2010 12:35 PM

I hope N has strong pokemon!

BeachBoy July 13th, 2010 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 5966021)
I hope N has strong pokemon!

Correction: hope N has strong friends.

Or at least that's how he sees it, haha.

Storm_has_formed July 13th, 2010 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 5966021)
I hope N has strong pokemon!

well, he will most likely not have starters so it should be interesting!!!

Dominus Temporis July 13th, 2010 12:44 PM

N is... an interesting character. I like the name-drop of the games (separating the world into humans and Pokemon or "black and white"), and the suggestion that he might be the son of Scouter Dude gave me a wild theory. What if N is the son of Scouter Dude, and SD wants to use the version legendary for whatever evil plot, and N is trying to divide the humans from the Pokemon for some reason so his father can't carry out the plan? Maybe he feels like his dad would suppress Pokemon, and it gets psychologically twisted into "everyone else must do the same" and he intends to 'free' Pokemon somehow? The whole Black-and-White/balance thing could come into play here by him understanding there are 'shades of grey' in the world, and not everyone fits into extremes, or... something...

Yeah, just a wild guess. I do have a feeling the Millennium Rubik's Cube will be important plot-wise, though, just look at the detailing on that thing.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 13th, 2010 12:45 PM

Cyrus was too easy to beat, same with the last guy admin of team rocket in HGSS beated him without losing a pokemon...

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Originally Posted by Dominus Temporis (Post 5966048)
N is... an interesting character. I like the name-drop of the games (separating the world into humans and Pokemon or "black and white"), and the suggestion that he might be the son of Scouter Dude gave me a wild theory. What if N is the son of Scouter Dude, and SD wants to use the version legendary for whatever evil plot, and N is trying to divide the humans from the Pokemon for some reason so his father can't carry out the plan? Maybe he feels like his dad would suppress Pokemon, and it gets psychologically twisted into "everyone else must do the same" and he intends to 'free' Pokemon somehow? The whole Black-and-White/balance thing could come into play here by him understanding there are 'shades of grey' in the world, and not everyone fits into extremes, or... something...

Yeah, just a wild guess. I do have a feeling the Millennium Rubik's Cube will be important plot-wise, though, just look at the detailing on that thing.

Yes finally someone who agrees with me on the theory of the Rubik cube being important plot wise :D

インフェルノの津波 July 13th, 2010 12:47 PM

I think we need the evil guy to actually USE the legendaries he's controlling!

masquerade July 13th, 2010 12:48 PM

Yeah, he should actually be a challenge, HGSS were way too easy...

Azure-Supernova July 13th, 2010 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 5966021)
I hope N has strong pokemon!

Indeed. I'm hoping we won't get to battle him until later on in the plot... because facing him early on when he has weaker Pokémon would feel odd for such an important person trying to make such a big change.

On the note of his Rubik's Cube... maybe he's just very fidgety :P Seriously, it reminded me of one of the millennium items from Yu-Gi-Oh! so who knows, it might be the key... hell might be related to the crown that Scouter Dude/Dad has haha

Masterge77 July 13th, 2010 12:49 PM

I personally hope he is evil like Cyrus was, best villian team EVER

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 13th, 2010 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Azure-Supernova (Post 5966067)
Indeed. I'm hoping we won't get to battle him until later on in the plot... because facing him early on when he has weaker Pokémon would feel odd for such an important person trying to make such a big change.

On the note of his Rubik's Cube... maybe he's just very fidgety :P Seriously, it reminded me of one of the millennium items from Yu-Gi-Oh! so who knows, it might be the key... hell might be related to the crown that Scouter Dude/Dad has haha

I thought of Yu-Gi-Oh! when I saw the cube and made the theory :P
Yeah i think it might turn into a key...remember the anime? it had a cube similar to that cube, so maybe it works similar to that key in the anime except for the BW legendaries:\


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Originally Posted by Masterge77 (Post 5966068)
I personally hope he is evil like Cyrus was, best villian team EVER

I agree, he might have been crazy but he is was a great villian :D

Bluerang1 July 13th, 2010 12:55 PM

So the maniac was N. But I thought it said it wasn't. Hmmm. But GREAT storyline, I'm loving it. No evil team though... But he does keep challenging us :D

pichuspark July 13th, 2010 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 5966085)
I thought of Yu-Gi-Oh! when I saw the cube and made the theory :P
Yeah i think it might turn into a key...remember the anime? it had a cube similar to that cube, so maybe it works similar to that key in the anime except for the BW legendaries:\

Ain't that the Millenium Puzzle? :P
If N uses that cube to summon Reshiram/Zekrom, I'll think of YGO. This game has too many YGO references, lol.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 13th, 2010 1:07 PM

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Originally Posted by pichuspark (Post 5966100)
Ain't that the Millenium Puzzle? :P
If N uses that cube to summon Reshiram/Zekrom, I'll think of YGO. This game has too many YGO references, lol.

I was talking about the cube in the pokemon anime but the Millennium puzzle was a cube as well :P
Yeah one big YGO reference first the male trainer (who people say looks like Judai Yuki with a hat) then a flying fur ball and now a puzzle :P

Azure-Supernova July 13th, 2010 1:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 5966128)
I was talking about the cube in the pokemon anime but the Millennium puzzle was a cube as well :P
Yeah one big YGO reference first the male trainer (who people say looks like Judai Yuki with a hat) then a flying fur ball and now a puzzle :P

You do also realize that Reshiram is a blue eyed white dragon and Zekrom is a red eyed black dragon. Oh this is pure coincidence of course haha

So either N is Scouter Dude or Scouter Dude is actually N's Scouter Dad...

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 13th, 2010 1:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Azure-Supernova (Post 5966144)
You do also realize that Reshiram is a blue eyed white dragon and Zekrom is a red eyed black dragon. Oh this is pure coincidence of course haha

So either N is Scouter Dude or Scouter Dude is actually N's Scouter Dad...

I think scouter dude is N's dad
0_0 I didn't noticed thanks for pointing that out :P

pichuspark July 13th, 2010 1:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 5966128)
I was talking about the cube in the pokemon anime but the Millennium puzzle was a cube as well :P
Yeah one big YGO reference first the male trainer (who people say looks like Judai Yuki with a hat) then a flying fur ball and now a puzzle :P

I was gonna bring that up! XD It's tempting me to pick a male trainer, name him Judai, catch a Koromori, name it Kuriboh...well, yeah...guess I'll buy Black and White then :P

And don't forget what Azure said! Reshiram, the blue-eyed dragon, and Zekrom, the red-eyed dragon. Someone in Game Freak must have watched the YGO 10th Anniversary Movie ._.;

BeachBoy July 13th, 2010 1:27 PM

Except that, Reshiram has fire (red) and Zekrom has electricity (blue, in this case). So a little twist on that, haha. XD

That cube sure is interesting though.

Azure-Supernova July 13th, 2010 1:30 PM

I know... I'll kick myself if I play through the game only to find out it's just a funky wallet or something ¬_¬

BeachBoy July 13th, 2010 1:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Azure-Supernova (Post 5966206)
I know... I'll kick myself if I play through the game only to find out it's just a funky wallet or something ¬_¬

Hahaha.

"I store my friends here, a primitive and non-slave-like capture device!" is the vibe I get.

Totaldile July 13th, 2010 1:36 PM

My thought is that you meet this N dude at Hiun City for the first time, and N is being chased by his dad, this old-ish guy, wh otells you N has been acting weird lately...ever since he did/found/thought/whatever something. You frequently meet N, and that puzzle he has, is some kind of power key. N wants to make pokemon happy, but the cube is beginning to take control of his body and mind, controling his thoughts and actions. N does some weird things, like forcing people to release their pokemon, and destroying the safari zone, while thinking he is doing the right thing. Eventually he tries to capture Reshi/Zek to scare humans away. You stop him, after he has severely hurt Reshi/Zek. The cube falls to the ground after you whip his butt and N's dad comes up and tells N to come home and recover. N is bewildered and confused as his dad leads him out. This is when you get th masterball. N stole it from his dad and was going to use it to capture Reshi/Zek, but N's dad gives it to you. Suddenly the legendary goes into a rampage and you have to battle it to stop it. You can't catch it now though, you'll be given another chance later. And that's my thoguht :3.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 13th, 2010 1:40 PM

Those are all good theories :)

pichuspark July 13th, 2010 1:42 PM

And if someone's theory in this very topic comes true, I'll eat my Wiimote. Seriously.

Dominus Temporis July 13th, 2010 1:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 5966051)
Yes finally someone who agrees with me on the theory of the Rubik cube being important plot wise :D

Well, at first, when we only had blurry pictures, I was like "eh, it might or might not be." But now, since we have bigger and clearer scans, it's evident that each square has some sort of intricate carving on it, and it's very prominently visible in his battle sprite as well (maybe even his overworld, I can't quite tell).

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Originally Posted by pichuspark (Post 5966185)
And don't forget what Azure said! Reshiram, the blue-eyed dragon, and Zekrom, the red-eyed dragon. Someone in Game Freak must have watched the YGO 10th Anniversary Movie ._.;

POKEMON BATTLES ON MOTORCYCLES! Ah, if only...

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 13th, 2010 1:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 5966247)
He looks pretty intimidating, I'll give him that. ._. I can tell that his Pokemon are gonna be really strong, and I do agree with the idea that he might possibly be the most lethal rival yet.

Though I do find his goals to be pretty awkward. Is GameFreak trolling PETA?

Cyrus was more intimidating than this guy is.
Poor PETA why are they trolling it :( :P

BeachBoy July 13th, 2010 1:43 PM

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Originally Posted by pichuspark (Post 5966250)
And if someone's theory in this very topic comes true, I'll eat my Wiimote. Seriously.

Just remember the butter, it'll fit down the throat better.

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Originally Posted by Totaldile
My thought is that you meet this N dude at Hiun City for the first time, and N is being chased by his dad, this old-ish guy, wh otells you N has been acting weird lately...ever since he did/found/thought/whatever something. You frequently meet N, and that puzzle he has, is some kind of power key. N wants to make pokemon happy, but the cube is beginning to take control of his body and mind, controling his thoughts and actions. N does some weird things, like forcing people to release their pokemon, and destroying the safari zone, while thinking he is doing the right thing. Eventually he tries to capture Reshi/Zek to scare humans away. You stop him, after he has severely hurt Reshi/Zek. The cube falls to the ground after you whip his butt and N's dad comes up and tells N to come home and recover. N is bewildered and confused as his dad leads him out. This is when you get th masterball. N stole it from his dad and was going to use it to capture Reshi/Zek, but N's dad gives it to you. Suddenly the legendary goes into a rampage and you have to battle it to stop it. You can't catch it now though, you'll be given another chance later. And that's my thoguht :3.

Awesome theory.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 13th, 2010 1:45 PM

Everyone on here has awesome theories I wonder if any of us will be right or will we all be dead wrong?

BeachBoy July 13th, 2010 1:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 5966269)
Wait a minute, I just figured out something. Wouldn't N be the champion too(or his dad, maybe)? You notice that most people that you encounter really frequently are either the Champion or your rival, right?

...I dunno, thats how I'm seeing this. Though there was a pattern somewhere, since it happened with Cynthia and Lance...

Yes, but we don't exactly now how important N is here. He might be with an evil team for all we know, and that's never happened.

It's certainly possible, but I somewhat doubt it with our two rivals.

pichuspark July 13th, 2010 1:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Totaldile (Post 5966230)
My thought is that you meet this N dude at Hiun City for the first time, and N is being chased by his dad, this old-ish guy, wh otells you N has been acting weird lately...ever since he did/found/thought/whatever something. You frequently meet N, and that puzzle he has, is some kind of power key. N wants to make pokemon happy, but the cube is beginning to take control of his body and mind, controling his thoughts and actions. N does some weird things, like forcing people to release their pokemon, and destroying the safari zone, while thinking he is doing the right thing. Eventually he tries to capture Reshi/Zek to scare humans away. You stop him, after he has severely hurt Reshi/Zek. The cube falls to the ground after you whip his butt and N's dad comes up and tells N to come home and recover. N is bewildered and confused as his dad leads him out. This is when you get th masterball. N stole it from his dad and was going to use it to capture Reshi/Zek, but N's dad gives it to you. Suddenly the legendary goes into a rampage and you have to battle it to stop it. You can't catch it now though, you'll be given another chance later. And that's my thoguht :3.

This theory is making me feel sad for N ._.; And this theory has the 90% chance of coming true :O

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 13th, 2010 1:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 5966269)
Wait a minute, I just figured out something. Wouldn't N be the champion too(or his dad, maybe)? You notice that most people that you encounter really frequently are either the Champion or your rival, right?

...I dunno, thats how I'm seeing this. Though there was a pattern somewhere, since it happened with Cynthia and Lance...and even Steven/Wallace...

Well it happened with all champs except for Wallace who we didn't see until the end of the plot actually we saw wally more than Wallace :P.
Yeah he could be the champ/evil guy, wow what a twist...now it reminds me more of lance in the pokemon special manga except lance was E4 in the manga at the time as it was in the yellow arc...

BeachBoy July 13th, 2010 2:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 5966287)
Ah, I forgot about Team Plasma. Perhaps he's working for them somehow? And could this possibly be related to Team Plasma's main goal?

I don't remember any confirmation of an evil team. o_O

But yes, he might tie in a little bit with an evil team. However, with his ideals, it might not be a fit.

Zeta Sukuna July 13th, 2010 2:09 PM

Think of it this way... Pokemon have superpowers, and can make earthquakes, fires, and other really, really bad things at will. The only thing you have to fight with are... other pokemon. If you don't have them then...

Well, I think you can figure it out from there. It's practically a death sentence to humanity. (Though one has to wonder how humanity lived before they caught pokemon, or tamed them to begin with.) This may not be their intentions, but it could be a result.

Anyway, I think he's on his own in this, though that may not be the case. There may be more then one antagonist in the story, and that sounds pretty cool to me.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 13th, 2010 2:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 5966301)
Team Plasma, I believe, is mainly just assumption and speculation. But I might as well go with it; it is the vocal majority after all.

I'm just trying to piece together how this would fit in, those I guess you have a point in that. An evil team wanting to set Pokemon free? ...Doesn't sound that evil to me but okay. :(

That's because the Idea isn't evil :) but the things they do in trying to set them free might cause them more harm than good :(

Iceshadow3317 July 13th, 2010 2:44 PM

My guess is is goign to screw his plan up and fall apart and realize that pokemon and humans are suppose to be togeather. Maybe it could even cause a war pokemon vs humans. Or people will start mistreating pokemon more therefore killing his hopes of freeing pokemon. He may not be the main evil there could be a greater evil.

MistahDude July 13th, 2010 2:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Azure-Supernova (Post 5966067)
Indeed. I'm hoping we won't get to battle him until later on in the plot... because facing him early on when he has weaker Pokémon would feel odd for such an important person trying to make such a big change.

On the note of his Rubik's Cube... maybe he's just very fidgety :P Seriously, it reminded me of one of the millennium items from Yu-Gi-Oh! so who knows, it might be the key... hell might be related to the crown that Scouter Dude/Dad has haha

You face N several times in the game, which means he is a "rival". His "friends" will match his personality like any other main character in the game.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 13th, 2010 2:53 PM

I think N will realize that he is wrong when he see our bond with our pokemon ;)

MistahDude July 13th, 2010 2:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 5966287)
Ah, I forgot about Team Plasma. Perhaps he's working for them somehow? And could this possibly be related to Team Plasma's main goal?

I actually doubt that there is an evil team in this game, if there is I doubt he is a part of it. He is probably just going to get used like many people with good intentions do.

Iceshadow3317 July 13th, 2010 2:57 PM

Team plasma was never confirmed. It was a rumor.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 13th, 2010 2:58 PM

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Originally Posted by MistahDude (Post 5966412)
I actually doubt that there is an evil team in this game, if there is I doubt he is a part of it. He is probably just going to get used like many people with good intentions do.

Maybe he is used by his father the leader of team Plasma:\

MistahDude July 13th, 2010 2:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 5966419)
Maybe he is used by his father the leader of team Plasma:\

Each team is named because of their goals. I don't see Plasma relating to any of the information we know so far. Maybe team Black vs team White? Maybe team nature vs team industry?

Iceshadow3317 July 13th, 2010 3:00 PM

Ya if there us a team he will look to them to help him find the power to do the spliting but then be betrayed by the team.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 13th, 2010 3:27 PM

Wait a moment! Remember how I said that the sun in the form of plasma right well Lightning is also another form plasma can be found as in nature...Rashiram being fire like the sun and Zekrom being Electric like lightning...it makes sense to be called plasma as it connect the two legends actually.

Azure-Supernova July 13th, 2010 3:30 PM

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Originally Posted by BeachBoy (Post 5966212)
Hahaha.

"I store my friends here, a primitive and non-slave-like capture device!" is the vibe I get.

It could be some freaky Pokécube or a kind of 'Poké-friendly' capture device. Who knows why might come out of this...

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 5966269)
Wait a minute, I just figured out something. Wouldn't N be the champion too(or his dad, maybe)? You notice that most people that you encounter really frequently are either the Champion or your rival, right?

...I dunno, thats how I'm seeing this. Though there was a pattern somewhere, since it happened with Cynthia and Lance...and even Steven/Wallace...

Taking N's ideals into account (a world where Pokémon and humans are seperate), being the Champion would be a little counter-productive don't you think? His dad maybe, but not N himself I don't imagine.

"Ah yes, I long for a world where Pokémon are free of human oppression, where they aren't forced to battle! A world where they can live in peace without brutality! I'LL FIGHT YOU TO PROVE HOW RIGHT I AM!"

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 13th, 2010 3:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Azure-Supernova (Post 5966492)
It could be some freaky Pokécube or a kind of 'Poké-friendly' capture device. Who knows why might come out of this...



Taking N's ideals into account (a world where Pokémon and humans are seperate), being the Champion would be a little counter-productive don't you think? His dad maybe, but not N himself I don't imagine.

"Ah yes, I long for a world where Pokémon are free of human oppression, where they aren't forced to battle! A world where they can live in peace without brutality! I'LL FIGHT YOU TO PROVE HOW RIGHT I AM!"

So N is a hypocrit :P
Yeah the cube could be like a hyper cube...

Storm_has_formed July 13th, 2010 3:39 PM

i don't understand how he can have these ideals and still battle with pokemon... maybe it's because the whole issue of needing power?

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 13th, 2010 3:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Storm_has_formed (Post 5966525)
i don't understand how he can have these ideals and still battle with pokemon... maybe it's because the whole issue of needing power?

Me neither, like I said he's a Hypocrit...*sigh* he has messed up logic...I think their is a troop on this in the site about tropes...

Zeta Sukuna July 13th, 2010 3:44 PM

You mean this? He is slightly hypocritical, but he does need something to accomplish his goals with. He can't do it on his own, he needs help, and that comes with pokemon.

Azure-Supernova July 13th, 2010 3:44 PM

I was thinking that earlier, but I guess if he didn't have any he'd be a pretty laughable opponent...

*Opponent N used 'Burned Baby Wargle'*
IT'S SUPER EFFECTIVE!
*Player conceded the battle and released their Pokémon into the wild*

I guess it's a means to an end in his eyes, he has to use them so he can get his word out and take action.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 13th, 2010 3:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Zeta Dimentio (Post 5966536)
You mean this? He is slightly hypocritical, but he does need something to accomplish his goals with. He can't do it on his own, he needs help, and that comes with pokemon.

Yeah that...I saw Mewtwo on their :P
He needed help too with getting rid of humans, he wanted to do so because he hated them for cloning him and does it by cloning...hahaha so I can see N on their either way :P

Pandemonioum July 13th, 2010 4:57 PM

2ch said that there will be new female Professor Araragi, and it was true.

There was going to be 3 vs 3 battles, it turned out to be true.

They said there was going to be mysterious character named N in the game, true too.

And unconfirmed things are Team Plasma, they rumoured that it is name of the evil team.

And 150+ new Pokémon too.

3/5 of rumours has already come true, so why doubt them now?

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 13th, 2010 4:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Pandemonioum (Post 5966751)
2ch said that there will be new female Professor Araragi, and it was true.

There was going to be 3 vs 3 battles, it turned out to be true.

They said there was going to be mysterious character named N in the game, true too.

And unconfirmed things are Team Plasma, they rumoured that it is name of the evil team.

And 150+ new Pokémon too.

3/5 of rumours has already come true, so why doubt them now?

I don't doubt them at all now...now we need the evo's of tauros and Heracross as well...

Storm_has_formed July 13th, 2010 5:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 5966753)
I don't doubt them at all now...now we need the evo's of tauros and Heracross as well...

Heracross is too awesome for an evo...

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 13th, 2010 5:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Storm_has_formed (Post 5966841)
Heracross is too awesome for an evo...

Well Rhydon was too and look what they did to it though I do like it's evo :). It's a rumor among all the rumors that came true so it might be true...

MistahDude July 13th, 2010 5:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Pandemonioum (Post 5966751)
2ch said that there will be new female Professor Araragi, and it was true.

There was going to be 3 vs 3 battles, it turned out to be true.

They said there was going to be mysterious character named N in the game, true too.

And unconfirmed things are Team Plasma, they rumoured that it is name of the evil team.

And 150+ new Pokémon too.

3/5 of rumours has already come true, so why doubt them now?

The only thing I doubt is the evil team's name.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 13th, 2010 6:02 PM

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Originally Posted by MistahDude (Post 5966879)
The only thing I doubt is the evil team's name.

Well Plasma is connected to the elements of the legends like I said above so I don't doubt it.

Eternal Nightmare July 13th, 2010 6:21 PM

I'm loving this guys intentions xD. This plot should be very interesting to say the least.

Its ironic that he want to free pokemon from humans yet he uses pokemon as well lolz.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 13th, 2010 6:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Eternal Nightmare (Post 5966975)
I'm loving this guys intentions xD. This plot should be very interesting to say the least.

Its ironic that he want to free pokemon from humans yet he uses pokemon as well lolz.

Yeah that makes me laugh each time I think about it :laugh:
We meet up with him in a cave which is similar to how we meet up with Steven in RS(E) the champ of RS but also similar to how we meet up with Cyrus in DPPt the villain in those games...

Kirbychu July 13th, 2010 6:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 5966500)
So N is a hypocrit :P

Maybe he captures powerful people and uses them to fight.

Or maybe he fights your Pokemon.

Bloothump July 13th, 2010 6:33 PM

N is confirmed to be an antagonist.
I think he is one of two. He goes for naturalization for pokemon, whereas I bet the man with the crown will go for some sort of industrialism goal.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 13th, 2010 6:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Bloothump (Post 5967009)
N is confirmed to be an antagonist.
I think he is one of two. He goes for naturalization for pokemon, whereas I bet the man with the crown will go for some sort of industrialism goal.

This can be supported with the scouter the man is seen wearing actually ;)

Calder July 13th, 2010 7:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 5966559)
Yeah that...I saw Mewtwo on their :P
He needed help too with getting rid of humans, he wanted to do so because he hated them for cloning him and does it by cloning...hahaha so I can see N on their either way :P

Mewtwo was mad at the cloning and uses clones yes but its more of a "See what you did?" by using clones he is kind of in your face like "Its your fault because you made the clones first"

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 5967021)
This can be supported with the scouter the man is seen wearing actually ;)

N goes super saiyan! (To fight your Pokemon himself)
Man in coat...What does the scouter say about his power level?
It's over 8000 9000!! (8000 is the real number stupid dubbers)


Anyways I thought the man in the coat was either N's father M? lol or N in a different attire...

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 13th, 2010 8:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Calder (Post 5967092)
Mewtwo was mad at the cloning and uses clones yes but its more of a "See what you did?" by using clones he is kind of in your face like "Its your fault because you made the clones first"



N goes super saiyan! (To fight your Pokemon himself)
Man in coat...What does the scouter say about his power level?
It's over 8000 9000!! (8000 is the real number stupid dubbers)


Anyways I thought the man in the coat was either N's father M? lol or N in a different attire...

Haha yeah that could happen, his super saiyan form made him go from pointed hair to curly :P

Bluerang1 July 18th, 2010 2:41 PM

"N" is NOT the Wierd Maniac Guy
 
http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/8641/nnfreak.jpg
The jaw lines are different, unless that's an older version so like he travels into the future...

So it looks like we'll have an Evil Team afterall :D

Sora's Nobody July 18th, 2010 2:46 PM

Well i never thought of N as that weird guy. So it doesent come as a shock. but if they did resebmle and therefor would assume that there is no evil team, then my question would be why not. N could be working as an evil guy.

Agent Clank July 18th, 2010 3:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Sora's Nobody (Post 5980923)
Well i never thought of N as that weird guy. So it doesent come as a shock. but if they did resebmle and therefor would assume that there is no evil team, then my question would be why not. N could be working as an evil guy.

I agree,the only thing they have in common is that they have green hair.
so I don't think its him and Sora's Nobody,I agree with that last part of your post.
just cause he isn't that guy,doesn't mean he can't be evil also.

KanadeTenshi July 18th, 2010 3:32 PM

I don't really know what's all about this but.. It doesn't look like him, and really.. bringing up theories about the storyline and such at this stage isn't really something you should. You might get excited but I don't see Pokemon ever traveling to the future or anything of that sorts. We already had Dialga and Celebi so we don't need another one.

It's always fun theoring things though, but I usually find too much of that boring and uneeded thinking. Less thinking, more playing guys ^_^

I don't really know what's all about this but.. It doesn't look like him, and really.. bringing up theories about the storyline and such at this stage isn't really something you should. You might get excited but I don't see Pokemon ever traveling to the future or anything of that sorts. We already had Dialga and Celebi so we don't need another one.

It's always fun theoring things though, but I usually find too much of that boring and uneeded thinking. Less thinking, more playing guys ^_^

Also there's the fact we barely know about people in the game =/
So this is exactly why I leave such things alone.

Cyberglass July 18th, 2010 3:38 PM

They do look similar, but the "weird guy" seems older than N as well as having a slightly different face. Maybe he is N's father, much like Giovanni was Silver's father.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 18th, 2010 3:44 PM

I wish there that there was some time travel involved in these games like the Pokemon ranger :Locus one...

Ninja Caterpie July 18th, 2010 4:54 PM

The weird guy's far too old and far too serious to be N.

If anything, N in the future would be more crazy, not all serious-facey with a weird one-eyed thing. :D

Åzurε July 18th, 2010 6:30 PM

Epileptic Tree: Evil dude is Cyrus after returning from the Distortion World and letting his hair grow out. He simply had military-grade hair gel in DPPt.

In other news, I thought they may be related, but probably not the same person.

Calder July 18th, 2010 7:35 PM

I'll give you a hint on my thoughts...

Silver:Giovanni::N:Maniac

Azure-Supernova July 18th, 2010 8:00 PM

Yeah, maybe his dad, but not N himself. I thought so at a glance, but that was just a glance.

Hopefully if he is the leader of Evil Team, he really is evil :3


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