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RioKura July 14th, 2010 5:05 PM

Anyone else unhappy with Lance and Red?
 
I thought that even with his new moves and more powerful Pokemon that Lance was more of a joke than a challenge the second time around.

I also beat Red with a team of Groudon Lv52, Kyogre Lv 60, Typhlosion Lv 50, Ho-oh lv 56 and Mewtwo lv 70. It was actually really easy. Groudon OHKOd Pikachu, Mewtwo took out Venusaur and Blastoise, Ho-oh annhilated Snorlax, and Charizard/Lapras weren't hard for Kyogre.

Just wondering if anyone else besides me thought that the two "most powerful" trainers in the game were lame.

Agent Clank July 14th, 2010 5:11 PM

I didn't think they were lame!
they were the best fights i've ever had.
so yeah,not lame.

RioKura July 14th, 2010 5:15 PM

Lol for real? Lance was only 10% harder for me than the first time I'd fought him, and my best Pokemon was a lv 64 Spritomb. I really wasn't pleased :\

ryan182 July 15th, 2010 3:36 AM

well of course they'd be easy considering you're using a team of legendaries...that kinda goes without saying and IMO takes the fun out of the experience.

Red was pretty challenging to me, and i used pokemon in almost the same level range. that damn blizzard got my salamence and venusaur every time, lol.

Corruptodile July 15th, 2010 3:55 AM

No, not at all.

Red and Lance were challenging, and I loved it. Especially when I used under levelling non-legendary Pokémon.

Magnezone, Arcanine, Exxegutor, Feraligatr, Ampharos and Crobat FTW y'all.

empty streets July 15th, 2010 5:20 AM

It's not fun to use a team like yours to beat the strongest guys in the game xD
I use my average team that I leveled up through the plot-line to make it more challenging. And it was challenging the last time I did that.

Resultz July 15th, 2010 6:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ryan182 (Post 5971219)
well of course they'd be easy considering you're using a team of legendaries...that kinda goes without saying and IMO takes the fun out of the experience.

Red was pretty challenging to me, and i used pokemon in almost the same level range. that damn blizzard got my salamence and venusaur every time, lol.

QFT

must i state the Karen quote?

Lance and Red are meant to be taken on with REAL pokemon and not overpowered leviathans..

It took me levels higher than lance to beat him with my favourites, and im happy with that, because it was a real battle.

Eon-Rider July 15th, 2010 7:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RioKura (Post 5970297)
I thought that even with his new moves and more powerful Pokemon that Lance was more of a joke than a challenge the second time around.

I also beat Red with a team of Groudon Lv52, Kyogre Lv 60, Typhlosion Lv 50, Ho-oh lv 56 and Mewtwo lv 70. It was actually really easy. Groudon OHKOd Pikachu, Mewtwo took out Venusaur and Blastoise, Ho-oh annhilated Snorlax, and Charizard/Lapras weren't hard for Kyogre.

Just wondering if anyone else besides me thought that the two "most powerful" trainers in the game were lame.

Good job beating him with a team of ubers. I don't actually bother going to Red often since it's tedious. Lance is fine.

Charizard★ July 15th, 2010 2:40 PM

I agree. He was weak. He could have been a little stronger :/

TrainerShane July 15th, 2010 3:01 PM

Well, what'd you expect? You're using legendaries. That is like facing a hundred guys with stones and you have a machine gun and it is an open field. Doesn't matter if they're better than you as individuals, you have the damn machine gun.

Rengoku July 15th, 2010 3:02 PM

No, and no.
I LOVVVVVVE Lance (Duh!)
And Red owns At least Red owns cheater Ash Ketchum!

&&. It's lame beating them with an 6 ubers team, just tell how weak you are ;)

mikey July 15th, 2010 3:18 PM

I thought they were both pretty tough, so I was pretty happy with them. They gave me a challenge.

Storm_has_formed July 15th, 2010 3:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RioKura (Post 5970297)
I thought that even with his new moves and more powerful Pokemon that Lance was more of a joke than a challenge the second time around.

I also beat Red with a team of Groudon Lv52, Kyogre Lv 60, Typhlosion Lv 50, Ho-oh lv 56 and Mewtwo lv 70. It was actually really easy. Groudon OHKOd Pikachu, Mewtwo took out Venusaur and Blastoise, Ho-oh annhilated Snorlax, and Charizard/Lapras weren't hard for Kyogre.

Just wondering if anyone else besides me thought that the two "most powerful" trainers in the game were lame.

The words in bold are the only thing disappointing me...

Aggron1991 July 15th, 2010 5:55 PM

Beating the game with an all-legendary team is easymode bro. I have a strict no-legendary policy when I play the games, because I like the challenge.

I thought the second E4 were pretty tough, actually. And I wasn't expecting Lance's team to be so high-leveled. It took a couple of tries (and several tweaks to my team) to beat him, but Lapras, Magneton and Dragonite eventually got the job done.

As for Red...I haven't even attempted to battle him yet. Just to be on the safe side, I'm going to wait until all my team is above level 75 (so far, only Dragonite meets that criteria) to challenge him.

If anything, I was unhappy that they made Lance as strong as he was, because one thing I liked about the original GSC was how helpful the E4 were for grinding.

XxRogueTrainerxX July 15th, 2010 6:45 PM

My second run of the Elite Four was a cakewalk. My Pokémon were in the high 60's, and like the wise man above me, I have a strict no legendary policy. UBER NOOBZ! But yeah, Lance was no trouble.

I struggled a bit against Red, since I could only rely on a couple Pokémon. Still, I defeated him, and that's what counts.

Quote:

Originally Posted by RioKura (Post 5970297)
I thought that even with his new moves and more powerful Pokemon that Lance was more of a joke than a challenge the second time around.

I also beat Red with a team of Groudon Lv52, Kyogre Lv 60, Typhlosion Lv 50, Ho-oh lv 56 and Mewtwo lv 70. It was actually really easy. Groudon OHKOd Pikachu, Mewtwo took out Venusaur and Blastoise, Ho-oh annhilated Snorlax, and Charizard/Lapras weren't hard for Kyogre.

Just wondering if anyone else besides me thought that the two "most powerful" trainers in the game were lame.


I am incredibly tempted to throw sharp objects at you. You could probably guess why.

Iceshadow3317 July 15th, 2010 6:49 PM

Red kicked my butt even with a level 73 on my team which was Dragonite. I had to get a level 88 before I could beat him.

I survived the elite 4 the first round,but now they are koing my 100s at least 1 or 2 of them throughout the whole thing.

So no. I was surprised how strong they where.

Resultz July 16th, 2010 2:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aggron1991 (Post 5972913)
Beating the game with an all-legendary team is easymode bro. I have a strict no-legendary policy when I play the games, because I like the challenge.

I thought the second E4 were pretty tough, actually. And I wasn't expecting Lance's team to be so high-leveled. It took a couple of tries (and several tweaks to my team) to beat him, but Lapras, Magneton and Dragonite eventually got the job done.

As for Red...I haven't even attempted to battle him yet. Just to be on the safe side, I'm going to wait until all my team is above level 75 (so far, only Dragonite meets that criteria) to challenge him.

If anything, I was unhappy that they made Lance as strong as he was, because one thing I liked about the original GSC was how helpful the E4 were for grinding.

respect +1 bro,

i also wish you could face the first E4 again if you wanted to...

dudeazombie July 17th, 2010 8:48 PM

i went there as soon as i could just to get a feel as to how much i needed to train and uh... he kinda owned me with just pikachu....

Droidz July 18th, 2010 2:07 AM

I personally never find Lance or Red hard trainers to beat. I sometimes wish that there was a difficulty setting in Pokemon so that it could be challenging when it comes to gym battles or the poke league.

Bubble Head July 18th, 2010 2:17 AM

actually Red and Lance would be a piece of cake if ur pkm have good iv and ev train as well,i beat Red with just 4 pkm at lv 62 : Gyarados,Breloom,Zapdos,Swampert First I stall out all the pp of blizzard by keep using roost on zap,then i switch gya out,dragon dance 6 time.After that Red was toast ;)

Amore July 18th, 2010 3:06 AM

I've never battled Red, but Lance wasn't dissappointing.

I think a lot of people are probably surprised about how easy his Dragonite are.

If you're anything like me, you think "oh no, omgwtf Dragonite aargh!!". Then take them out with ease. Then, Aerodactyl, with its' beastly speed and attack, comes in and nearly destroys you!

At least, that's what happens to me.

Nikolai Fox July 18th, 2010 3:51 AM

It also seems to me like you had shift mode on by the way you said you just sweeped through them. Just so you know shift mode is basically easy mode (Y)

MrsNorrington July 18th, 2010 10:36 AM

I was wayyyy disappointed with Red. the Pokemon League people put up a more challenging and tougher fight than him!

How the battle went for me:

Pikachu-defeated him with a 1-hit KO with my lvl 92 Typhlosion who used the move Eruption.

Blastoise-defeated him with a 1-hit KO with my lvl 91 Raikou-used Thunder (which actually missed the first time)

Venasaur-defeated him 1-hit KO with my Typhlosion, used Eruption again.

Lapras-another 1-hit KO with Raikou, used thunder

Snorlax-took me two moves to defeat, used my event Arceus lvl 100, Roar of time and Spacial Rend

and Charizard- 1-hit KO with my lvl 91 Feraligatr with hydro cannon.

Heart's Soul July 18th, 2010 10:48 AM

Used my Cresselia against Red, honestly! I bet 5 dollars that I can KO him without losing a single Pokemon! The hail slowed me down, tohugh- but I won! Just. Cresselia. His Pikachu didn't have a chance.

Didn't switch and I had set on.

Oblivion Wing July 18th, 2010 12:48 PM

I took on Red with my Jolteon, Pidgeot, Charizard, Ferraligator, Gardevoir, and Metagross. But i only took out my Jolteon, Charizard, and Gardevoir, the rest just layed back and relaxed throughout the battle xD.


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