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Better "yin yang" types instead of Fire & Electric
We all know that The legendary Pokemon of gen V will be fire and electric.
Ridiculous? Yeah, I thought so. So it got me thinking: whats a better type set? I thought about Normal and Ghost. It would be interesting... But their signature moves wouldn't effect each other! Go figure, eh? So I didn't think that. Then I though hey how about making a new type? Like "light" type with dark. IDK, its pushing it, though. Thats what I thought. Share your opinions here on what you think the new legendary's typing should be. |
Fire is natural light source and Electricity is an unnatural light source...
They are Yin and Yang just as good as Normal and Ghost... Which would suck at Legends...Alot of people requested Light and alot more showed them how stupid the idea was... Fire and Elec is the best Yin and Yang combo in my opinion... |
Well Ground and Water are a good yin yang type, that's why Groudon and Kyogre had those too bad they took those two types, hmm, Water vs. Fire is also a good yin yang combo :)
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Both fire have a way to make things light or dark. Fire: creates light and burns things which sometimes turn black. Electricity: makes light and causes power outages.
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Fire and Electric make good Yin yang types non the less :)
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Yin and Yang is pretty much anything opposite of one another. And your idea of Normal Legendary is suckish. I'm sory,but there is no other way to put it.
And I don't really like Ghost type Legendaries. |
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How did dark get through, I wonder? Ive heard comments about that type that arent the best. Quote:
Of course thats probably why they decided on fire and electric, since they arent weak to one another. I suppose you guys dont like normal types by the way things look, lol |
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For something to be considered Yin Yang, they must be able to shown or used together in a more harmonic way. Seeing as how fire and electricity are both natural and unnatural source of light, and don't interfere with one another, they can be Yin Yang. In fact, lightning can cause fire, creating even more of a balance. I can see how one may see Fire vs. Water as Yin Yang ... but remember, Yin Yang = Balance / Harmony. Quote:
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Here is what I always post in a Yin yang thread.
The relationship between yin and yang is often described in terms of sunlight playing over a mountain and in the valley. Yin (literally the 'shady place' or 'north slope') is the dark area occluded by the mountain's bulk, while yang (literally the 'sunny place' or 'south slope') is the brightly lit portion. As the sun moves across the sky, yin and yang gradually trade places with each other, revealing what was obscured and obscuring what was revealed. Yin is characterized as slow, soft, yielding, diffuse, cold, wet, or tranquil; and is associated with water, earth, the moon, femininity and nighttime. Yang, by contrast, is fast, hard, solid, focused, hot, dry, or aggressive; and is associated with fire, sky, the sun, masculinity and daytime |
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I like that the legendary Pokemon are fire and electric. Those two together strike me as a yin yang pairing. I think it works with the whole real vs. artificial light. I mean they are similar but not the same, they work in harmony, which is how yin yang is supposed to work.
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What about Plants(grass) and Water they are in Harmony, water feeds water, while plants filter the water :)
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Well the sea and land is seen as Yin and yang but the sea beats the land...look at hoenn it's shaped like a Yin and Yang sign :)
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Double types could fix some of the type disadvantages problems, though its hard to figure the right ones that would work. Maybe a Fire/Electric vs Ice/Water type? No?
fire dmg to ice/water is 1x elc dmg to ice/water is 2x ice dmg to fire/electric is .5x water dmg to fire/electric is 2x Its alright. fire and electric are both plasma, while ice and water could be thought of as a solid. Plasma and solid are opposites, and exist in harmony. Thats just me, though, since it works well in game and kinda makes sense... kinda. |
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Yeah that works too :) |
Fire and Electric are not only a play on Yin and Yang, but also on nature and technology. At least, it's what I think. Reshiram's tail is a torch while Zekrom's tail is a generator. We also know of Black City and White Forest and at least one city that's either technologic advanced or looks like some old ruin.
We now have electricity for light, thus Zekrom symbolizes the modern technology. In ages before technology mankind used fire or a torch for light. Reshiram symbolizes the time before technology or nature. Nature and technology, in a way, are also balanced. But then again, technology and nature aren't balanced at all (technology > nature). It's an interesting theme for the legends, I think. And it works great with these types. |
But what would Light and Dark be weak against? Nothing, not even against each other.
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You can't judge them until you really know the Pokemons stories. I was one who fought for the Light-Type theory but I've actually fallen in love with the actual typing.
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EDIT: Oh, and plasma is not the opposite of a solid, and lightening and fire are not plasma. They're just pure energy, not actual matter. |
Could it be said that they are also man's main 'tool' if you like? For example, millions of years ago our ancestors relied on fire for heat, light and even as a weapon.
Fast forward a few million years and electricity seems to take that role [as it provides light, energy, heat, the list goes on...] |
I actually like the way there going with fire and electric type. Fire is a natural source of power, where as electricity is an unnatural source. Plus it's starting to look more and more like the games are based off of nature and technology.
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So Fire and Electricity equals Yin & Yang, I can understand that, but seriously though, those pokemon don't represent those types,do they?
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Well, to me the plot seem to have something to do with the balance and peace between trainers and pokemon and how they live along eachother in harmony...
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I think its already good as it is. I mean Fire & Electric are already like Yin & Yang if you actually think about it.
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I doubt they will make a new type, but with this region it's possible. A new region=new types. I don't think there was any nw types after the second generation (G,S,C), though.
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Fire = Natural way of light, Reshiram seems more natural.
Electricity = Modern way of light, Zekrom seems more technological. I think they fit it quite nicely with the Black City/White Forest contrast and the overall concept of this storyline so far. |
idk i wish they would make a light type, it just makes sense though i mean, light bein g a bright white pokemon and dark being a jet black one, JUST LIKE THE LEGENDARIES! (imagine that :P) but i see where it would cause issues because of all the other gen games and making it work with all the other elemental types :/ ohh well
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I like the fire/electric opposition (not so much the dragon typing; that was lame.) Not having psychic/dark as yin/yang felt wasteful at first, but it's so much better than the expected. It's so much better than the lame light type idea that got thrown around.
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Fire/Electric and the light does make sense...but, also, the dragon-typing works, sadly.
Yin/Yang cancel eachother out, right? Well, Dragon and Ghost are the only types that are super-effective on themselves... |
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Yeah, although Reshiram kind of reminds me of white flames. Zekrom has that bright blue spot on top of its head, so that could be something relating to electriicity. They're kind of like Palkia, which didn't look too much like a water-type. Reshiram and Zekrom are made to look more like Dragon-Types than their secondary, I think.
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Fire and Electric work well as "opposite" pairings because neither has an advantage over the other. You see that as far back as Electabuzz and Magmar from Gen I. Not to mention the relationship between Valley Windworks / Fuego Ironworks in Gen IV.
That being said, I was a big supporter of the Light type as a "holy" type, because I thought it would be interesting to have something that was the complete opposite of Dark. We don't really get complete opposites in Pokemon, which prefers to work in triangles. Personally though, I really like the Fire/Dragon and Electric/Dragon combo. Not only are both of them unique types; they also work well with each other. |
Reshiram should stick to being a Dragon/Fire while Zekrom should change to Dragon/Ice, then it'd be epic.
A totally win - win situation if you ask me, Reshiram being a fire type which is effective against ice while Zekrom's ice attacks are super effective against the dragon type. |
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Fire -> Ice (x2) Dragon (x0.5) = Neutral damage Ice -> Fire (x0.5) Dragon (x2) = Neutral damage No change. Pretty cool, though I like the triangle thing better, personally. |
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Now i think that is just perfect. Both pokemon have no advantage over each other... |
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FIRE and ICE But I do understand the yinyang of elec and fire |
Ok, this game is SCREAMING at me Yin Yang I mean look:
Black and White Fire and Electric Natural and Technogical and wayy more |
I don't think the problem are elec/fire types but dragon: they should be psy/fire and dark/electric...it would make more sense.
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Reshiram is fine with it's typing. Here's why. Yang, by contrast, is fast, hard, solid, focused, hot, dry, or aggressive; and is associated with fire, sky, the sun, masculinity and daytime. However Reshiram's doesn't make sense. Yin is characterized as slow, soft, yielding, diffuse, cold, wet, or tranquil; and is associated with water, earth, the moon, femininity and nighttime.
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i see how their types represent yin and yang now, so im fine with it. i think it was a much better idea than introducing a light type.
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They're a bit awkward, but also rather appropriate.
Too often one legendary of a duo can easily beat the other: Lugia > Ho-Oh due to Water moves. Kyogre > Groudon due to typing. Dialga > Palkia both Draon, but Dialga has a resistance to Water. While both members of this duo are Dragon types, one of their Secondary types doesn't to double damage to the other. |
^ Groudon has drought though so it can lower down the water moves.
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a light type to balance out dark and psychic to make a trio of sorts would be epic.
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No a Light type is not needed and it would ruin the game we already have types that cover light anyway.
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Y'know what else is yin yang?
Electric & Electric because of Thunder & Lightning Oh I used to be for Light type cause I wanted a Good vs Evil theme but thats not gonna happen I'm also not longer for it because 1. Reshiram is not a light type and 2. a light type would **** up the type chart |
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As for me, I don't really care as long as they don't suck in online play and have a sprite you can look at and a good movepool. |
If the third member of the trio is Dragon/Ice, then it would make sense again. Fire/Lightning/Ice is a pretty common element trio in RPGs.
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I don't see that happening because the direction they are taking really has nothing to do with light sources. Well... in a vague sort of way I suppose that it could, but not in a large enough manner to dedicate legendary Pokemon to the notion. I see more of a sky theme going on, especially after having seen the Best Wishes teaser. Fire and Electric may not have anything to do with the story at all in my opinion. What does Water and Steel have anything to do with Time and Space? Though, if you haven't noticed Electric > Water > Fire > Steel when compared to D/P legendary Dragons... |
Fire and electric are fine. Zekrom and Reshiram were designed to fit these two types. Normal and ghost, or anything else just is....blehhh. Not a type I'd expect for uber-legendaries.
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When was there an implication that a theme of balance and yin and yang would be part of Pokemon B/W's plot?
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Technically Electric and Fire are not Yin and Yang. With a proper study of Taoism, you'll find that Fire and Electricity would be classified as Yang-Yang.
Yang being bright, active, upward, hot, expanding, light and strong. A better Yin-Yang type would be Fire and Water, electricity and ground, etc. |
I think it makes sense, also going along with the version differences--white forest and black city. (Also the one town that looks different) White seems more traditional, hence fire as energy source for light and heat; whereas black seems very advanced and technological, hence electricity for an energy source. but then that gets messed up because the white one (fire type) is in black version and the black one (electric type) is in white version.
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I think it would be cool if the two pokemon were normal and ghost types.
it is true that their signiture moves wouldn't affect each other. but why do the moves have to be normal and ghost type. the pokemon could be dragon/normal dragon/ghost thus allowing their signiture moves to be of the dragon type but resemble the normal and ghost types. like with dialga and palkia. dialga's signiture move resembles time and palkia's signiture move resembles space.i meen who doesn't like the dragon type and we all know that there are few dragon type pokemon out there compared to other types. so two more legendary "ying yang" "normal ghost"/dragon type pokemon would be awesome. new 120 or even 150 or maybe 200 power dragon type moves exclusive to 2 awesome looking pokemon being the only move of there type and power. |
No, I think you lot are all missing the point here...
Yin and Yang are equal.....just dragon and..uhhh...dragon. It's the primary types that do the yin/yang part. Fire and Electric are the traditionalism versus modernism part of it (fire's traditional heat and light, electric is 20th century onwards heat and light). And definitely not ghost/dragon...don't ruin Giratina's awesomeness by making something else with those types. |
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super fire attacks: overheat eruption blast burn grass: leafstorm. water:hydro cannon. where's an electric attack with 130+ power. and moreover, the ground type is a very strong and dangerous type and knowing that the electric type is ineffective against the ground type while the ground type is super effective against the electric type makes all electric type pokemon including zekrom have an extreme disadvantage against the ground type. i've always hated and always will hate the electric type. the only cool looking electric type pokemon is electivire. and zekrom looks awesome and a little evil. common how could such an awesome and cool looking pokemon be of the elctric type. IS SOMEONE FEELING ME HERE ???????? |
Yin/Yang is described as a balance of two EQUALS.
As water is better than fire, it cannot be yin/yang. As grass is stronger than water, it cannot be yin/yang. As rock is triumphant over fire, it also cannot be yin/yang. As the air is victorious over the ground, it also cannot be a yin/yang pairing. Two equals, a balance. Fire and Electric types do almost(if not exactly) the same damage to one another. They are equals, they are balanced, they form a perfect yin/yang pairing. As long as one has advantage over the other, it is not a balance of equals and thus not yin/yang. Think, good versus evil. They are always in balance. Where there is dark, there is light. And no, not Pokemon type wise. Most dark type pokemon are referred to as such for their dirty tactics in battle, as opposed to the element of darkness. |
yeah so whats wrong with the normal and ghost types pairing. neither of them effects the other and in most beliefs they have equal places in our world so it could be considered a yin/yang pair up. and anyways, it is the same as dark and light. the normal type is the presence of the body and a little soul that drives it and the ghost types is the presence of a soul with a little body that makes it seen to the human eye. i meen how else could we see the ghost type pokemon. we can't see the soul of any pokemon so what we see in ghost pokemon is not the soul itself it's just a little percentage of the existance of a body. thats why it is transparent and usually not seen in the light because its too faded for light to reflect of its body.
sorry I just like to completely explain everything i say because most people don't understand a thing i say. |
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