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Charizard★ July 16th, 2010 4:38 PM

I think its already good as it is. I mean Fire & Electric are already like Yin & Yang if you actually think about it.

Arma July 16th, 2010 4:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Charizard★ (Post 5975792)
I think its already good as it is. I mean Fire & Electric are already like Yin & Yang if you actually think about it.

True, but then again, Zekrom and Reshiram don't represent these types.

Calder July 16th, 2010 5:33 PM

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Originally Posted by elarmasecreta (Post 5975820)
True, but then again, Zekrom and Reshiram don't represent these types.

Umm wtf are you smoking... they do represent their types...as they are the types...

.-Notched July 18th, 2010 1:56 AM

I doubt they will make a new type, but with this region it's possible. A new region=new types. I don't think there was any nw types after the second generation (G,S,C), though.

Dillon_68 July 18th, 2010 9:01 AM

Fire = Natural way of light, Reshiram seems more natural.
Electricity = Modern way of light, Zekrom seems more technological.

I think they fit it quite nicely with the Black City/White Forest contrast and the overall concept of this storyline so far.

D3r Schatten July 18th, 2010 12:23 PM

idk i wish they would make a light type, it just makes sense though i mean, light bein g a bright white pokemon and dark being a jet black one, JUST LIKE THE LEGENDARIES! (imagine that :P) but i see where it would cause issues because of all the other gen games and making it work with all the other elemental types :/ ohh well

orange discontent July 18th, 2010 12:34 PM

I like the fire/electric opposition (not so much the dragon typing; that was lame.) Not having psychic/dark as yin/yang felt wasteful at first, but it's so much better than the expected. It's so much better than the lame light type idea that got thrown around.

Amore July 18th, 2010 12:45 PM

Fire/Electric and the light does make sense...but, also, the dragon-typing works, sadly.

Yin/Yang cancel eachother out, right? Well, Dragon and Ghost are the only types that are super-effective on themselves...

D3r Schatten July 18th, 2010 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Amore (Post 5980773)
Fire/Electric and the light does make sense...but, also, the dragon-typing works, sadly.

Yin/Yang cancel eachother out, right? Well, Dragon and Ghost are the only types that are super-effective on themselves...

i like this better, i just dont see fire and electric when i look at the two

Arma July 18th, 2010 1:03 PM

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Originally Posted by D3r Schatten (Post 5980807)
i like this better, i just dont see fire and electric when i look at the two

Finally someone who's got the same opinion as I do.

Kerjo July 18th, 2010 1:17 PM

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Originally Posted by elarmasecreta (Post 5980837)
Finally someone who's got the same opinion as I do.

@elarmasecreta and D3r Schatten: Seriously...iTeruri explained them representing Fire and Electricity quite well, even pulling other things from the game into it. And Dillon_68 said it in simpler terms...

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Originally Posted by iTeruri (Post 5975261)
Fire and Electric are not only a play on Yin and Yang, but also on nature and technology. At least, it's what I think. Reshiram's tail is a torch while Zekrom's tail is a generator. We also know of Black City and White Forest and at least one city that's either technologic advanced or looks like some old ruin.
We now have electricity for light, thus Zekrom symbolizes the modern technology. In ages before technology mankind used fire or a torch for light. Reshiram symbolizes the time before technology or nature.
Nature and technology, in a way, are also balanced. But then again, technology and nature aren't balanced at all (technology > nature).

It's an interesting theme for the legends, I think. And it works great with these types.


Slowking Bro July 18th, 2010 6:59 PM

Yeah, although Reshiram kind of reminds me of white flames. Zekrom has that bright blue spot on top of its head, so that could be something relating to electriicity. They're kind of like Palkia, which didn't look too much like a water-type. Reshiram and Zekrom are made to look more like Dragon-Types than their secondary, I think.

BleuVII July 18th, 2010 8:52 PM

Fire and Electric work well as "opposite" pairings because neither has an advantage over the other. You see that as far back as Electabuzz and Magmar from Gen I. Not to mention the relationship between Valley Windworks / Fuego Ironworks in Gen IV.

That being said, I was a big supporter of the Light type as a "holy" type, because I thought it would be interesting to have something that was the complete opposite of Dark. We don't really get complete opposites in Pokemon, which prefers to work in triangles.

Personally though, I really like the Fire/Dragon and Electric/Dragon combo. Not only are both of them unique types; they also work well with each other.

©ereal Killer July 18th, 2010 8:59 PM

Reshiram should stick to being a Dragon/Fire while Zekrom should change to Dragon/Ice, then it'd be epic.

A totally win - win situation if you ask me, Reshiram being a fire type which is effective against ice while Zekrom's ice attacks are super effective against the dragon type.

Åzurε July 18th, 2010 9:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ©ereal Killer (Post 5982042)
Reshiram should stick to being a Dragon/Fire while Zekrom should change to Dragon/Ice, then it'd be epic.

A totally win - win situation if you ask me, Reshiram being a fire type which is effective against ice while Zekrom's ice attacks are super effective against the dragon type.

Actually, I'm pretty sure it comes out neutral.

Fire -> Ice (x2) Dragon (x0.5) = Neutral damage
Ice -> Fire (x0.5) Dragon (x2) = Neutral damage

No change. Pretty cool, though I like the triangle thing better, personally.

©ereal Killer July 18th, 2010 9:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Åzurε (Post 5982101)
Actually, I'm it comes out neutral.

Fire -> Ice (x2) Dragon (x0.5) = Neutral damage
Ice -> Fire (x0.5) Dragon (x2) = Neutral damage

No change. Pretty cool, though I like the triangle thing better, personally.

Oh... But thank you though for the calculations.
Now i think that is just perfect. Both pokemon have no advantage over each other...

supershade July 22nd, 2010 9:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Calder (Post 5974999)
Fire is natural light source and Electricity is an unnatural light source...

They are Yin and Yang just as good as Normal and Ghost... Which would suck at Legends...Alot of people requested Light and alot more showed them how stupid the idea was...

Fire and Elec is the best Yin and Yang combo in my opinion...

But please ignore the yin yang of
FIRE
and
ICE
But I do understand the yinyang of elec and fire

MegaKuriboh July 22nd, 2010 12:08 PM

Ok, this game is SCREAMING at me Yin Yang I mean look:
Black and White
Fire and Electric
Natural and Technogical
and wayy more

Sage Harpuia July 23rd, 2010 6:55 AM

I don't think the problem are elec/fire types but dragon: they should be psy/fire and dark/electric...it would make more sense.

rocky505 July 23rd, 2010 7:17 AM

Reshiram is fine with it's typing. Here's why. Yang, by contrast, is fast, hard, solid, focused, hot, dry, or aggressive; and is associated with fire, sky, the sun, masculinity and daytime. However Reshiram's doesn't make sense. Yin is characterized as slow, soft, yielding, diffuse, cold, wet, or tranquil; and is associated with water, earth, the moon, femininity and nighttime.

yung_link July 23rd, 2010 7:36 AM

i see how their types represent yin and yang now, so im fine with it. i think it was a much better idea than introducing a light type.

Glane, Lettuce, and Tomato July 23rd, 2010 8:22 AM

They're a bit awkward, but also rather appropriate.

Too often one legendary of a duo can easily beat the other:
Lugia > Ho-Oh due to Water moves.
Kyogre > Groudon due to typing.
Dialga > Palkia both Draon, but Dialga has a resistance to Water.

While both members of this duo are Dragon types, one of their Secondary types doesn't to double damage to the other.

rocky505 July 23rd, 2010 8:48 AM

^ Groudon has drought though so it can lower down the water moves.

tsutaajafan95 July 23rd, 2010 9:03 AM

a light type to balance out dark and psychic to make a trio of sorts would be epic.

rocky505 July 23rd, 2010 9:12 AM

No a Light type is not needed and it would ruin the game we already have types that cover light anyway.


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