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MegaKuriboh July 23rd, 2010 9:45 AM

Y'know what else is yin yang?
Electric & Electric because of Thunder & Lightning

Oh I used to be for Light type cause I wanted a Good vs Evil theme but thats not gonna happen
I'm also not longer for it because 1. Reshiram is not a light type and 2. a light type would **** up the type chart

BleuVII July 23rd, 2010 8:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ©ereal Killer (Post 5982042)
Reshiram should stick to being a Dragon/Fire while Zekrom should change to Dragon/Ice, then it'd be epic.

A totally win - win situation if you ask me, Reshiram being a fire type which is effective against ice while Zekrom's ice attacks are super effective against the dragon type.

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Originally Posted by Åzurε (Post 5982101)
Actually, I'm pretty sure it comes out neutral.

Fire -> Ice (x2) Dragon (x0.5) = Neutral damage
Ice -> Fire (x0.5) Dragon (x2) = Neutral damage

No change. Pretty cool, though I like the triangle thing better, personally.

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Originally Posted by ©ereal Killer (Post 5982145)
Oh... But thank you though for the calculations.
Now i think that is just perfect. Both pokemon have no advantage over each other...

Wow, I never thought about how the Dragon resistances would play into the duo, making fire and ice, for once, completely equal to each other. Now I think it's just a missed opportunity, and I think I may have to go draw another two fakemon.

KanadeTenshi July 24th, 2010 1:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 5975002)
Well Ground and Water are a good yin yang type, that's why Groudon and Kyogre had those too bad they took those two types, hmm, Water vs. Fire is also a good yin yang combo :)

Ground and Water isn't such nice types. The whole idea in gen 3 wasn't even actually types, it was the sun vs rain.

As for me, I don't really care as long as they don't suck in online play and have a sprite you can look at and a good movepool.

Black Ice July 24th, 2010 7:31 AM

If the third member of the trio is Dragon/Ice, then it would make sense again. Fire/Lightning/Ice is a pretty common element trio in RPGs.

MrGnawty July 24th, 2010 7:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Calder (Post 5974999)
Fire is natural light source and Electricity is an unnatural light source...

They are Yin and Yang just as good as Normal and Ghost... Which would suck at Legends...Alot of people requested Light and alot more showed them how stupid the idea was...

Fire and Elec is the best Yin and Yang combo in my opinion...

I find that fairly funny because Zekrom would then represent unnatural light in a natural environment (White Version) and Reshiram would represent natural light in an unnatural environment (Black Version).

I don't see that happening because the direction they are taking really has nothing to do with light sources. Well... in a vague sort of way I suppose that it could, but not in a large enough manner to dedicate legendary Pokemon to the notion. I see more of a sky theme going on, especially after having seen the Best Wishes teaser.

Fire and Electric may not have anything to do with the story at all in my opinion. What does Water and Steel have anything to do with Time and Space?

Though, if you haven't noticed Electric > Water > Fire > Steel when compared to D/P legendary Dragons...

PiPVoda July 26th, 2010 3:22 PM

Fire and electric are fine. Zekrom and Reshiram were designed to fit these two types. Normal and ghost, or anything else just is....blehhh. Not a type I'd expect for uber-legendaries.

SgtPatches July 26th, 2010 9:25 PM

When was there an implication that a theme of balance and yin and yang would be part of Pokemon B/W's plot?

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire July 26th, 2010 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by SgtPatches (Post 6007653)
When was there an implication that a theme of balance and yin and yang would be part of Pokemon B/W's plot?

the imprecation comes from Pokedex classifications of the mascots which are "White Yin" and "Black Yang" pokemon respectively.

Palantides July 26th, 2010 10:53 PM

Technically Electric and Fire are not Yin and Yang. With a proper study of Taoism, you'll find that Fire and Electricity would be classified as Yang-Yang.

Yang being bright, active, upward, hot, expanding, light and strong.

A better Yin-Yang type would be Fire and Water, electricity and ground, etc.

austy14 July 27th, 2010 8:12 AM

I think it makes sense, also going along with the version differences--white forest and black city. (Also the one town that looks different) White seems more traditional, hence fire as energy source for light and heat; whereas black seems very advanced and technological, hence electricity for an energy source. but then that gets messed up because the white one (fire type) is in black version and the black one (electric type) is in white version.

Echidna August 23rd, 2010 4:55 AM

I think it would be cool if the two pokemon were normal and ghost types.
it is true that their signiture moves wouldn't affect each other. but why do the moves have to be normal and ghost type.
the pokemon could be dragon/normal dragon/ghost thus allowing their signiture moves to be of the dragon type but resemble the normal and ghost types.
like with dialga and palkia. dialga's signiture move resembles time and palkia's signiture move resembles space.i meen who doesn't like the dragon type and we all know that there are few dragon type pokemon out there compared to other types.
so two more legendary "ying yang" "normal ghost"/dragon type pokemon would be awesome.
new 120 or even 150 or maybe 200 power dragon type moves exclusive to 2 awesome looking pokemon being the only move of there type and power.

Amore August 23rd, 2010 4:58 AM

No, I think you lot are all missing the point here...

Yin and Yang are equal.....just dragon and..uhhh...dragon.

It's the primary types that do the yin/yang part.

Fire and Electric are the traditionalism versus modernism part of it (fire's traditional heat and light, electric is 20th century onwards heat and light).

And definitely not ghost/dragon...don't ruin Giratina's awesomeness by making something else with those types.

Echidna August 24th, 2010 4:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Amore (Post 6096781)
No, I think you lot are all missing the point here...

Yin and Yang are equal.....just dragon and..uhhh...dragon.

It's the primary types that do the yin/yang part.

Fire and Electric are the traditionalism versus modernism part of it (fire's traditional heat and light, electric is 20th century onwards heat and light).

And definitely not ghost/dragon...don't ruin Giratina's awesomeness by making something else with those types.

ok well in that case dragon could still be a common type between the two but it seems that having an electric type legendary pokemon seems weak, i meen come on. i never really liked zapdos nor raikou. its just weak. i hate this type because whoever's making its attacks is making them weak and ineffective. i mean there's no electric attack similar to one of the strong fire, water , or grass attacks. i meen here's a list.
super fire attacks: overheat
eruption
blast burn
grass: leafstorm.
water:hydro cannon.

where's an electric attack with 130+ power.
and moreover, the ground type is a very strong and dangerous type and knowing that the electric type is ineffective against the ground type while the ground type is super effective against the electric type makes all electric type pokemon including zekrom have an extreme disadvantage against the ground type.
i've always hated and always will hate the electric type. the only cool looking electric type pokemon is electivire. and zekrom looks awesome and a little evil. common how could such an awesome and cool looking pokemon be of the elctric type.
IS SOMEONE FEELING ME HERE ????????

Andrew McKenzie August 26th, 2010 5:54 AM

Yin/Yang is described as a balance of two EQUALS.

As water is better than fire, it cannot be yin/yang.
As grass is stronger than water, it cannot be yin/yang.
As rock is triumphant over fire, it also cannot be yin/yang.
As the air is victorious over the ground, it also cannot be a yin/yang pairing.

Two equals, a balance.
Fire and Electric types do almost(if not exactly) the same damage to one another.
They are equals, they are balanced, they form a perfect yin/yang pairing.

As long as one has advantage over the other, it is not a balance of equals and thus not yin/yang.
Think, good versus evil. They are always in balance. Where there is dark, there is light.
And no, not Pokemon type wise. Most dark type pokemon are referred to as such for their dirty tactics in battle, as opposed to the element of darkness.

Echidna August 26th, 2010 6:30 AM

yeah so whats wrong with the normal and ghost types pairing. neither of them effects the other and in most beliefs they have equal places in our world so it could be considered a yin/yang pair up. and anyways, it is the same as dark and light. the normal type is the presence of the body and a little soul that drives it and the ghost types is the presence of a soul with a little body that makes it seen to the human eye. i meen how else could we see the ghost type pokemon. we can't see the soul of any pokemon so what we see in ghost pokemon is not the soul itself it's just a little percentage of the existance of a body. thats why it is transparent and usually not seen in the light because its too faded for light to reflect of its body.

sorry I just like to completely explain everything i say because most people don't understand a thing i say.


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