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OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 5th, 2010 8:07 PM

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Originally Posted by MistahDude (Post 6132765)
Yep thats right.

Im sad the rumor thread is locked. It had great speculation and it helped me gain like 400 posts.

Also keep in mind that number count includes double typed pokemon.

wow I did the math and we should have at least 70 duel typed pokemon...

rocky505 September 5th, 2010 8:08 PM

Sounds awesome. I believe this more than the starter evos xD

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 5th, 2010 8:10 PM

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Originally Posted by rocky505 (Post 6132773)
Sounds awesome. I believe this more than the starter evos xD

Lol that's funny because that person is saying that the starter evo's are real too...

rocky505 September 5th, 2010 8:13 PM

Hey at least he tried unlike the one who brought the starter evos out.

Xander Olivieri September 5th, 2010 8:14 PM

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Originally Posted by MistahDude (Post 6132746)
I have no idea where the Rumor thread went so I will post this here.

From this link:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/ds/989552-pokemon-black-version



I emphasized the last 4 pokemon names because they were new to us. If anyone knows Japanese, please translate those names to the best of your abilities.

There is no way that guy can know all this already unless he worked for that company or has a friend in Game Freak.

12 Dragons? That's 3 times as much as they usually release. At least twice as many as last Gen. That's a lot of power just sitting around. I can't see any of this as true right now.

I find this guy extremely hard to believe right now. Especially since its supposed to be all original Pokemon.

Planetes. September 5th, 2010 8:14 PM

I AM JUST NOT BUYING THAT THESE STARTERS ARE REAL TBH, I MEAN I LIKE THEM, THEY JUST GIVE OFF A VIBE THAT SAYS "FAN-MADE"

Ho-Oh September 5th, 2010 8:15 PM

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Originally Posted by rocky505 (Post 6132788)
Hey at least he tried unlike the one who brought the starter evos out.

You do realise he said they're real, correct? >____________>;

rocky505 September 5th, 2010 8:18 PM

Yeah I know that but he is giving out info about it instead of just posting pictures on a spanish website.

MistahDude September 5th, 2010 8:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Forever (Post 6132793)


You do realise he said they're real, correct? >____________>;

From what I understand from what he said about the starter evos is that those were beta showings of them.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 5th, 2010 8:21 PM

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Originally Posted by rocky505 (Post 6132799)
Yeah I know that but he is giving out info about it instead of just posting pictures on a spanish website.

though anyone can make up info...


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Originally Posted by MistahDude (Post 6132805)
From what I understand from what he said about the starter evos is that those were beta showings of them.

Nope he said the evolution of Pokabu and we all know Pokabu wasn't in the Beta art so he means the second form of Pokabu final forms of all three too.

rocky505 September 5th, 2010 8:24 PM

Since the guy said those images of the starters were beta my hopes for Miju3 being bipedal still stands.

Xander Olivieri September 5th, 2010 8:25 PM

He didn't say they were beta. He said that those were the real forms. Only that thier Sprites would be different because of the Poses they are in.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 5th, 2010 8:28 PM

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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 6132816)
He didn't say they were beta. He said that those were the real forms. Only that thier Sprites would be different because of the Poses they are in.

Yup this is what he said and trust me I re read it twice to make sure
:)

rocky505 September 5th, 2010 8:29 PM

people are speculating this stuff so much on Bulbagarden. Someone said one may be a meguroko evo.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 5th, 2010 8:33 PM

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Originally Posted by rocky505 (Post 6132826)
people are speculating this stuff so much on Bulbagarden. Someone said one may be a meguroko evo.

Are you talking about the Starters or the list of typed pokemon?

Ho-Oh September 5th, 2010 8:34 PM

Guys, I think until we actually get images, or proof that he's right, we should stop speculating on what he means. The rumours thread is gone for a reason - which means we should stick to what we know (or what we think we know). Sooo, you can continue discussing the second evolutions for the starters, but just leave this rumour until we actually get images either proving or denying what he said.

WindBlows September 5th, 2010 8:39 PM

I found this image on GameFaqs board:

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 5th, 2010 8:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Twilite Darkrai (Post 6132841)
I found this image on GameFaqs board:

OMG you are right, now I really think they are fake :)

Dillon_68 September 5th, 2010 8:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Twilite Darkrai (Post 6132841)
I found this image on GameFaqs board:

Good enough proof for me, as was the other few fake explanations. But apparently, some people still won't deny this rumor.

Ho-Oh September 5th, 2010 8:46 PM

Pretty much best proof I've seen. Just one more for being fake. I don't think the real side really has much to confirm it being real, tbh.

dragon0fangz September 5th, 2010 8:48 PM

Lol, busted. Aww, I really liked smugleaf's final evo, too... sooo cool... If the real Smugleaf 3rd does not live up to this one, It's Pokabu for me.

Where did wotter2's whiskers go?

Xander Olivieri September 5th, 2010 8:50 PM

If that's true then why doesn't Smugleaf2 line up perfectly with the Beta Art? If it was traced or even printed and colored, then the two images should overlap perfectly.

The Red Chain September 5th, 2010 8:52 PM

Not to mention the artwork looks nothing like "official Sugimori" artwork.
Just basic artwork you'd see in the anime, despite the crappy shade work. D;


Kenshin5 September 5th, 2010 9:07 PM

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Originally Posted by MistahDude (Post 6132746)
I have no idea where the Rumor thread went so I will post this here.

From this link:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/ds/989552-pokemon-black-version



I emphasized the last 4 pokemon names because they were new to us. If anyone knows Japanese, please translate those names to the best of your abilities.

Too me it is hard to believe this guy considering he only has one karma. Most people just consider this guy an alt trolling which happens all the time on gamefaqs.

o0PinkSquid0o September 5th, 2010 9:08 PM

thats not proof! the 'fake' smugleaf drawing should line up perfectly with the artwork under it if it was traced! wow....huurp durrrp!

also the wotter ev2 should have the whiskers in if its head was traced perfectly next to it too :S

Zelda September 5th, 2010 9:20 PM

More hints are adding up to the fact that they are fake more than there are facts of them being real. I know Gamefreak has letdowns for some pokémon designs but this is a disappointment for me. At least they aren't confirmed yet and the game comes out in 13 days. Then we'll be able to know everything without the rumors and unconfirmed things lying around. :)

@ the above: The whiskers don't exactly go outside of the curved face line. So they won't be shown at the little edge of the box.

The Red Chain September 5th, 2010 9:21 PM

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Originally Posted by o0PinkSquid0o (Post 6132880)
thats not proof! the 'fake' smugleaf drawing should line up perfectly with the artwork under it if it was traced! wow....huurp durrrp!

No, but there certainly has been enough evidence as of now that they are fake, despite them maybe being true. The biggest one that got me was how Wotter3 has two short whiskers and one longer whisker.. and a very short one on the opposite side that should be long. You can't deny the weirdness of that. Angle would not "chop" off that much of his other "long" whisker.

Is anyone really wanting these guys to be real anyway? They are so atrocious. ;x;


o0PinkSquid0o September 5th, 2010 9:25 PM

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Originally Posted by The Red Chain (Post 6132891)

No, but there certainly has been enough evidence as of now that they are fake, despite this maybe not being true. Is anyone really wanting these guys to be real anyway?

They are so atrocious. ;x;


They are not 'atrocious"! they're fine (besides the fire dude) if they're not real I am not going to cry bloody murder, but if they are I am not going to throw a fit like so many people are doing on here!

I think they look good, they don't looked traced and they don't look 'atrocious' they look fine. Nosepass and probopass... remember those? now those are 'atrocious'!!

rocky505 September 5th, 2010 9:26 PM

IMO Probopass had a better design then all three of those final starter evos.

dragon0fangz September 5th, 2010 9:29 PM

COME ON, Whats wrong with Smugleaf's evo. ;_;

Clefairies September 5th, 2010 10:20 PM

Smugleaf's final evo got the best deal out of them pictures.

I personally think they are fake, as many have said the proof is more leaning towards them being fake then them being real,.

Haza September 5th, 2010 10:43 PM

Ugh, I can't wait until these are proven to be real. They have very good designs, well, I don't really like the fire one because it looks like a fighting type BUT the other two are amazing.

PokemonMaster97 September 5th, 2010 11:04 PM

I think that the 2nd evo's of the starters are real and the 3rd ones are not. Wotters 3rd evo is to much like dialga in a way that it could be the baby form of it, Smugleafs final evo is cool, but is very different to its 2nd evo and the fire Pig is to much like Magmortar and Ryperior. I think they are pretty Hideous!


Smugleaf 3rd Evo: Grass/Poison OR dragon

Wotter 3rd Evo: Water/Steel OR Ice OR Ground OR Dragon

The fire Pig 3rd Evo: Fire/Fight OR Dark

But I hope they are fake...

fenyx4 September 5th, 2010 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Twilite Darkrai (Post 6132841)
I found this image on GameFaqs board:

Thank goodness! http://www.pokecommunity.com/images/templates/smilies/cerulean/20.%20boogie.gif Best evidence I've seen so far. As others have said, more evidence is stacked that seems to be implying the "Fake" status as opposed to the "Real" status regarding these rumor Pokemon... In 11 days time, though, we can finally put all these stupid rumors to rest! I want to verify the genuineness of several of these "rumored" Pokemon, but I also want to wait until the English release of BW to look at all the new Pokemon... *sigh* I don't know what I'm going to do once the Gen V floodgates burst... :cer_confused:

Anyway, the second stages of Wotter/Mijumaru and Tsutarja look OK, but it looks like second-stage starter evos are becoming harder to design each Generation...

EDIT: The Internet's major flaw is becoming more and more apparent: rumors spread like wildfire. :( All of these artists making fake Pokemon right around release date are really getting on my nerves... If these rumor Pokemon are fake, I'm going to be disappointed with a few major Pokemon news sites who can't even bother to verify a darn source... But again, 11 days until the truth is revealed! :D

bobandbill September 6th, 2010 12:17 AM

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EDIT: The Internet's major flaw is becoming more and more apparent: rumors spread like wildfire. All of these artists making fake Pokemon right around release date are really getting on my nerves... If these rumor Pokemon are fake, I'm going to be disappointed with a few major Pokemon news sites who can't even bother to verify a darn source... But again, 11 days until the truth is revealed
It's actually not easy to verify 'sources' as it's a matter of faith and whatnot - although there are many cases in which it is obvious that it's fake, sometimes it's just too hard to tell. Going by the fact that there are unnamed sources that apparently back it up enough for Serebii to mention thme on his site suggest these aren't too likely to be fake...

And who knows, maybe that picture is actually a coloured version of the sketches? Not that likely but certainly a possibility - I wouldn't quite think it's 'busted' imo. But at any rate - every gen when a legit Pokemon is released many shout fake/ugly at it, and vice versa - it's happened before both ways, so as said - a matter of just waiting and seeing.

pokewalker September 6th, 2010 1:04 AM

i don't think they are real actually. they seem fake. but if they are real... http://cache2.hyves-static.net/images/smilies/default/smiley_cry.gif

Kanto_Johto September 6th, 2010 2:41 AM

Oh man, this is getting ridiculous now.

That is quite possibly the most retarded 'proof' I've ever seen.

For starters (lol pun), Smugleaf2 doesn't even line up with the one on the Beta art, which automatically blows any credibility this 'proof' had out of the water.

Also, the artwork might have been drawn from the Beta art purposely for the Anime.

Don't get me wrong, if these starter evos are fake, I'll be happy (providing the actual evos are better). All I'm saying is don't get your hopes up.

rocky505 September 6th, 2010 2:45 AM

What will be harsh is if these are fake but the real ones are even worse X_X

Kanto_Johto September 6th, 2010 3:08 AM

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Originally Posted by rocky505 (Post 6133192)
What will be harsh is if these are fake but the real ones are even worse X_X

If that happened, I'd go to my fridge, pop open a can of coke, sit back, relax, and watch the live storm in all its glory.

Haza September 6th, 2010 3:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Kanto_Johto (Post 6133191)
Oh man, this is getting ridiculous now.

That is quite possibly the most retarded 'proof' I've ever seen.

For starters (lol pun), Smugleaf2 doesn't even line up with the one on the Beta art, which automatically blows any credibility this 'proof' had out of the water.

Also, the artwork might have been drawn from the Beta art purposely for the Anime.

Don't get me wrong, if these starter evos are fake, I'll be happy (providing the actual evos are better). All I'm saying is don't get your hopes up.

I was going to say this... I seriously think they are real. Haters are gonna love them when the are fully revealed.

Sammuthegreat September 6th, 2010 3:41 AM

Just because the middle Smugleaf evo doesn't line up on those scans doesn't prove anything - the fact remains that there's a random bit of drawing at the side of the scan, which surely wouldn't be there if the scan was of an official document.

giorgos September 6th, 2010 4:02 AM

some rumours about the starters and some other pokemon:
I am John Glover. Obviously this is not my real name but it shared the initials of my real name if you wish to know.

It has come to my attention recently that the Starter Evolutions of Tsutarja, Pokabu, and Mijumaru have made their appearance online and I can indeed confirm, despite the "proof" given against them, that they are indeed real, although they will look slightly different once you see their sprites due to the difference in poses and mediums. In fact, I am quite certain most people here will like them or, at least, find them tolerable to the best of their abilities.

Furthermore, I can also confirm that the rumored number of 156 new Pokemon is true and, in line with what Masuda has stated, they are all new Pokemon...there are no evolutions hidden away this time, all 156 are standalone from previous Pokemon. However, including Victini and Zorua/Zoroark, six of these are unable to be obtained via normal game play without the use of an event.

And now for new information I present to you the overall type count of the new Pokemon, including the Pokemon with multiple forms that have dynamic types...I don't count the type twice if the form has it in both instances, only if the form changed type.

Grass: 20
Water: 26
Fire: 17
Electric: 11
Psychic: 15
Ice: 10
Dragon: 12
Dark: 15
Normal: 22
Fighting: 13
Flying: 18
Poison: 14
Ground: 15
Rock: 12
Bug: 13
Ghost: 10
Steel: 11

Also, for proof, although it won't come till the end of the week, I can also give you the names of the Pokemon to be revealed by the end of this week in CoroCoro. They are Yanappu, Baoppu, Hiyappu, Emonga, Basurao, Tabunne, Darumakka, Shiidomi, Uzutako, Sebekuro, and Takuootu.

pokewalker September 6th, 2010 4:06 AM

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Originally Posted by giorgos (Post 6133240)
some rumours about the starters and some other pokemon:
I am John Glover. Obviously this is not my real name but it shared the initials of my real name if you wish to know.

It has come to my attention recently that the Starter Evolutions of Tsutarja, Pokabu, and Mijumaru have made their appearance online and I can indeed confirm, despite the "proof" given against them, that they are indeed real, although they will look slightly different once you see their sprites due to the difference in poses and mediums. In fact, I am quite certain most people here will like them or, at least, find them tolerable to the best of their abilities.

Furthermore, I can also confirm that the rumored number of 156 new Pokemon is true and, in line with what Masuda has stated, they are all new Pokemon...there are no evolutions hidden away this time, all 156 are standalone from previous Pokemon. However, including Victini and Zorua/Zoroark, six of these are unable to be obtained via normal game play without the use of an event.

And now for new information I present to you the overall type count of the new Pokemon, including the Pokemon with multiple forms that have dynamic types...I don't count the type twice if the form has it in both instances, only if the form changed type.

Grass: 20
Water: 26
Fire: 17
Electric: 11
Psychic: 15
Ice: 10
Dragon: 12
Dark: 15
Normal: 22
Fighting: 13
Flying: 18
Poison: 14
Ground: 15
Rock: 12
Bug: 13
Ghost: 10
Steel: 11

Also, for proof, although it won't come till the end of the week, I can also give you the names of the Pokemon to be revealed by the end of this week in CoroCoro. They are Yanappu, Baoppu, Hiyappu, Emonga, Basurao, Tabunne, Darumakka, Shiidomi, Uzutako, Sebekuro, and Takuootu.

WTF? why is everyone saying that those starter evos are real? they are not real AT ALL! and i'm gonna laugh if they arent at pokexperto, serebii and you, etc. and who are those shiidomi, uzutako, sebekuro, and takuootu? show a picture of them, and i'll believe you.

EDIT: 100st post!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://cache2.hyves-static.net/images/smilies/default/smiley_hosanna.gif

Ho-Oh September 6th, 2010 4:06 AM

Just a note, since they were already posted; only discuss the unconfirmed starters from the rumour, since we know how they look. Everything else is just speculation which isn't needed - unless you want to discuss the rest of it in the certain threads that they relate to.

giorgos September 6th, 2010 4:13 AM

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Originally Posted by pokewalker (Post 6133242)
WTF? why is everyone saying that those starter evos are real? they are not real AT ALL! and i'm gonna laugh if they arent at pokexperto, serebii and you, etc. and who are those shiidomi, uzutako, sebekuro, and takuootu? show a picture of them, and i'll believe you.

EDIT: 100st post!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://cache2.hyves-static.net/images/smilies/default/smiley_hosanna.gif

just to know i didn't write it i just copy paste for an other site.As for Shiidomi and sebekuro i am thinking that they are the evolutions of Shimama and Meguroko due to their names.Also i don't want either these evolutions to be real but we have to accept that these evolutions are the real


pokewalker September 6th, 2010 4:30 AM

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Originally Posted by giorgos (Post 6133245)
just to know i didn't write it i just copy paste for an other site.As for Shiidomi and sebekuro i am thinking that they are the evolutions of Shimama and Meguroko due to their names.Also i don't want either these evolutions to be real but we have to accept that these evolutions are the real


We don't have to accept that they are real because they are NOT real. and i want to see that "source" from serebii and pokexperto.

Surmonter September 6th, 2010 4:51 AM

This pretty much sums up this entire thread:



They're not real. Deal with it. :3

pokewalker September 6th, 2010 4:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Surmonter (Post 6133282)
This pretty much sums up this entire thread:



They're not real. Deal with it. :3

you forgot pokabu's 2nd stage. it's a lickylicky.

billi1000 September 6th, 2010 4:59 AM

There's something strage going on, if every single Pokemon blog, including the trusted ones like Serebii, Pokebeach, Bulbapedia, and Pokexperto are taking these evolutions into serious consideration, there must be something they know we don't. It seems the confirmation came from a very special source for this to happen as the webmasters of these sites have been doing this for year after year have encountered several situations similar to this. They even mensioned it clearly that this issue has come to a very critical level for them to actually post it and stated clearly that there's a slight chance they may be fake.
Anyways, to sum up, I feel if these evos end up being confirmed, every Pokemon blog, especially serebii, is going to own everyone who said they were fake :3.

giorgos September 6th, 2010 5:01 AM

OK see:
Some months ago one of my friends in Greece was said me about the 2 legendaries pokemon Zekrom and Reshiram.I was the first person here in PC who posted this and everyone said that these pokemon were fake.Some hours later the official site and serebii confirmed that they were real.So some days ago the same friend tell me that these will be the evolution of the starters so i trusted again.And these evolutions will be the real.I don't care if you like but these are the evolutions.

pokewalker September 6th, 2010 5:15 AM

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Originally Posted by giorgos (Post 6133307)
OK see:
Some months ago one of my friends in Greece was said me about the 2 legendaries pokemon Zekrom and Reshiram.I was the first person here in PC who posted this and everyone said that these pokemon were fake.Some hours later the official site and serebii confirmed that they were real.So some days ago the same friend tell me that these will be the evolution of the starters so i trusted again.And these evolutions will be the real.I don't care if you like but these are the evolutions.

i still want to see that "special source" from serebii.

giorgos September 6th, 2010 5:19 AM

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Originally Posted by pokewalker (Post 6133325)
i still want to see that "special source" from serebii.

They are not crazy to reveal their source.Also my friend has the same source.You have to believe that they are real evolutions.When we these on the game they will be better than in a paper.

Surmonter September 6th, 2010 5:19 AM

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Originally Posted by pokewalker (Post 6133325)
i still want to see that "special source" from serebii.

Serebii usually does reveal his sources. Him not doing it this time just makes this "special source" seem kind of fishy. And by that, I think it doesn't exist.

pokewalker September 6th, 2010 5:32 AM

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Originally Posted by giorgos (Post 6133329)
They are not crazy to reveal their source.Also my friend has the same source.You have to believe that they are real evolutions.When we these on the game they will be better than in a paper.

then ask your friend for the source, upload it to PC and share it with us. until then i'm NOT gonna believe you.

giorgos September 6th, 2010 5:39 AM

I am not going to reveal my friend source.You can believe that these are the real evolutions or you can live in you lye that they aren't.

Kanto_Johto September 6th, 2010 5:44 AM

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Originally Posted by pokewalker (Post 6133339)
then ask your friend for the source, upload it to PC and share it with us. until then i'm NOT gonna believe you.

Something tells me that this guy's friend isn't going to hand out a supposedly special source just because someone on a forum wants it.

And as far as I'm concerned, there is yet to be any solid proof that the evos are fake. Every piece of 'evidence' to prove that they're fake that we've seen so far have giant holes in them.

myrrh25 September 6th, 2010 5:44 AM

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Originally Posted by giorgos (Post 6133345)
I am not going to reveal my friend source.You can believe that these are the real evolutions or you can live in you lye that they aren't.

Source or they're fake. That's the general rule of everything on the internet. "Proof/source or its fake."

giorgos September 6th, 2010 5:48 AM

http://www.pokecommunity.com/showthread.php?t=220261
check this.I wouldn't give source everyone said that they were fake and 30 minutes later official site reveal them.I am not going to post the source because i will never get news from there if i reveal the source

Royal September 6th, 2010 5:48 AM

I would think the secondary evolution of the water starter would look something more like this:
It's fake of course...


pokewalker September 6th, 2010 5:50 AM

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Originally Posted by giorgos (Post 6133345)
I am not going to reveal my friend source.You can believe that these are the real evolutions or you can live in you lye that they aren't.

if you're not gonna reveal it, i don't believe you. also, every site on the internet says that they are not going to reveal it, because they DON'T HAVE IT.

EDIT:
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Originally Posted by Royal (Post 6133367)
I would think the secondary evolution of the water starter would look something more like this:
It's fake of course...


wow. good one.

EDIT2:
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Originally Posted by giorgos (Post 6133366)
http://www.pokecommunity.com/showthread.php?t=220261
check this.I wouldn't give source everyone said that they were fake and 30 minutes later official site reveal them.I am not going to post the source because i will never get news from there.

that was cuz the official GREEK site revealed them. your friend looked at that and saw them.

Kanto_Johto September 6th, 2010 5:54 AM

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Originally Posted by pokewalker (Post 6133370)
if you're not gonna reveal it, i don't believe you. also, every site on the internet says that they are not going to reveal it, because they DON'T HAVE IT.

Why would all of the most reliable Pokemon news sources say they have a source if they don't?

Get over yourself already. If these evos turn out to be real, all of you who jump around shouting "THEY'RE FAKE THEY'RE FAKE" are going to look like a bunch of tools.

pokewalker September 6th, 2010 5:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Kanto_Johto (Post 6133375)
Why would all of the most reliable Pokemon news sources say they have a source if they don't?

Get over yourself already. If these evos turn out to be real, you and all the others who jump around shouting "THEY'RE FAKE THEY'RE FAKE" are going to look like a bunch of tools.

if they turn out to be fake, which is VERY likely, the ones who said they were real, are going to look like a bunch of tools.

Royal September 6th, 2010 5:58 AM

Stop arguing.

Whatever turns out to be true is going to be true. If it turns out to be fake, it'll be fake. If it turns out to be real, then its real and 5th generation might suck in my opinion...

Ho-Oh September 6th, 2010 5:59 AM

Okay, nobody is going to be a tool. You're either wrong, or you're right. >_______>;

Which is why I'm hoping they're fake and thinking they most likely are, but still, there is a chance they're real, so meh.

Kanto_Johto September 6th, 2010 6:04 AM

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Originally Posted by pokewalker (Post 6133381)
if they turn out to be fake, which is VERY likely, you guys are going to look like a bunch of tools.

Actually, I'd rather them be fake as well. I know Ken can come up with better.

I'm just looking at the situation realistically. Chances are they're real.

And if they are real? Whatever. They aren't as bad as everyone is making them out to be.

pokewalker September 6th, 2010 6:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Kanto_Johto (Post 6133398)
Actually, I'd rather them be fake as well. I know Ken can come up with better.

I'm just looking at the situation realistically. Chances are they're real.

And if they are real? Whatever. They aren't as bad as everyone is making them out to be.

sorry. ill edit my post and i just think they are fake. they're too ugly to be real. and who is Ken?

Royal September 6th, 2010 6:08 AM

Ken is the person in charge of making all Pokemon designs.

Kanto_Johto September 6th, 2010 6:08 AM

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Originally Posted by pokewalker (Post 6133399)
sorry. ill edit my post and i just think they are fake. they're too ugly to be real. and who is Ken?

Ken Sugimori. Creates all of the Pokemon's designs.

Edit: Like I've said in the past, if you don't like them that's your opinion. Which is fine, because you're entitled to one. However, saying that a Pokemon can't be real because it's 'ugly' or 'doesn't look like a Pokemon' really doesn't contribute to anything, and certainly isn't proof that they're fake.

billi1000 September 6th, 2010 6:39 AM

I like the way people assume they are fake just because they don't like the designs :P, look at Nosepass, if you saw that thing before being confirmed you would think its a partical joke. I guess judging these Pokemon to fake or real by their looks is being repeated infinitely in this thread, and is getting us no where.

MistahDude September 6th, 2010 6:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Royal (Post 6133401)
Ken is the person in charge of making all Pokemon designs.

Not exactly. There are multiple people on the design team that think of pokemon. They brain storm with Sugimori and maybe sometimes without him and then when they have the final pokemon they have Sugimori draw it in his style.

pokewalker September 6th, 2010 7:22 AM

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i want the starters to be like this:


PsychoJigglypuff September 6th, 2010 7:24 AM

I don't mind if they are real that much, I just want better and clearer artwork. If I try to zoom in, it gets way to blurry to make out anything.

For some reason, I really like Pokabu's evolution, not the final one but the first one. I just find it really cute. I'll probably be getting Pokabu if these evos are real.

Tyxomm September 6th, 2010 7:25 AM

Someone wanted to see those .gif images of the starter evolutions. here they are:
http://i55.tinypic.com/hu507o.jpg http://i56.tinypic.com/2qutc9e.jpg http://i56.tinypic.com/f3gmd4.jpg http://i52.tinypic.com/qpqn4g.jpg http://i55.tinypic.com/22ydud.jpg

This is also from the same guy:
(don't forget to read the text on the bottem)
http://i52.tinypic.com/2u5dzkp.jpg



Oh and, found this on deviantART:
http://a.imageshack.us/img823/5748/newstarterevolutionsbyt.png
"Real gen III starter evolutions, confirmed by my secret source who is never wrong."

sorry, I just had to post it.
I've come to the point that I don't care anymore if the starter evolutions are real or not.


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Originally Posted by billi1000 (Post 6133455)
I like the way people assume they are fake just because they don't like the designs :P, look at Nosepass, if you saw that thing before being confirmed you would think its a partical joke. I guess judging these Pokemon to fake or real by their looks is being repeated infinitely in this thread, and is getting us no where.

Nosepass looked great IMO, and a Moai statue is pokemon worthy.
But Probopass on the other hand... that thing is a disgrace to nosepass. It has a hat a super sized nose and a mustache, what were they thinking.

Shadow01192 September 6th, 2010 9:14 AM

Worthless attempt here but I'm gonna try to steer this more in the direction of the starters themselves and not if they are fake or not. What will the stats be like on these guys? From experience I would say the water will be a bit slow but good in the other area's especially defense, the grass will either be very fast or very slow and pick an attack and defense and it will be good at it and lastly the fire will be decent all around but nothing so high that you really wanna write home about.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 6th, 2010 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by pokewalker (Post 6133399)
sorry. ill edit my post and i just think they are fake. they're too ugly to be real. and who is Ken?

That's not proof that they are fake, look at Probopass (I like Probopass and these starter evo's though)

Devil Flamingo September 6th, 2010 10:57 AM

lmfao, I like that post, Tyxxom. :D

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Originally Posted by Shadow01192
Worthless attempt here but I'm gonna try to steer this more in the direction of the starters themselves and not if they are fake or not. What will the stats be like on these guys? From experience I would say the water will be a bit slow but good in the other area's especially defense, the grass will either be very fast or very slow and pick an attack and defense and it will be good at it and lastly the fire will be decent all around but nothing so high that you really wanna write home about.

I agree we should be concerned less with their looks and more with their typing and stats. I for one will not be using Leafsnake a lot if it turns out to be pure Grass or Grass/Poison, and even less so if it has Sceptile-like stats. I'm hoping it has high special offense and special defense (~100s), good physical offense and defense (~90s), okay speed (~80s) and low HP (~70s).

As for Boarbeque, I'm assuming its HP is high, its defenses are unusually good but not high, and its attack is higher than its special attack, but it's the slowest Fire starter to date. Finally, Otterhorn is probably bulky like other Water starters, but faster than most of them, and it has balanced offence and defense. Mind you, I won't be using them, so I don't really care.

As for typing, I know someone said Grass/Dragon, Fire/Dark and Water/Fighting, but to be perfectly honest, I highly doubt the first two. GF is much too traditional and viciously cyclic for something so original; "cool" types like Dragon, Ghost, Psychic or Dark are never going to be part of a starter for some dumb reason. That we got a Water/Steel starter is a flippin' miracle.

But I do hope Leafsnake is Grass/Dragon or Grass/Flying. I'm a Grass-type user, so a pure Grass won't do (unless it's reeeally good), and neither will a Grass/Poison type (I've got Roserade) and another Grass/Ground starter would just be idiotic, considering how good Torterra is. So I'm not sure what kind of typing Leafsnake is gonna have (if any) but it'd better be original or it'll have no place in my A-Team.

#Emochu September 6th, 2010 10:57 AM

I'm starting to like Mijumaru's final, I expect it to get up on its hind legs in the anime, Giant otters can stand up right?

I expect Pokabu's evolution to be part ground type not fight type.

I wasn't a fan of Pokemon when D/P were being released, so does anyone know when Pokemon.com will update? September the 18th I guess : p

pokewalker September 6th, 2010 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by #Emochu (Post 6134161)
I'm starting to like Mijumaru's final, I expect it to get up on its hind legs in the anime, Giant otters can stand up right?

I expect Pokabu's evolution to be part ground type not fight type.

I wasn't a fan of Pokemon when D/P were being released, so does anyone know when Pokemon.com will update? September the 18th I guess : p

pokemon.com will update as soon as the release data in the USA is out. .co.jp september 18th :P

tomorrow I need to go to school! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

#Emochu September 6th, 2010 11:10 AM

[QUOTE=pokewalker;6134174]pokemon.com will update as soon as the release data in the USA is out. .co.jp september 18th :P

tomorrow I need to go to school! NOOOOOOO
Haha I go to school on the 15th :p

So there is a japanese website?

Don't they make updates quicker than the english one?

MistahDude September 6th, 2010 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Devil Flamingo (Post 6134160)
lmfao, I like that post, Tyxxom. :D



I agree we should be concerned less with their looks and more with their typing and stats. I for one will not be using Leafsnake a lot if it turns out to be pure Grass or Grass/Poison, and even less so if it has Sceptile-like stats. I'm hoping it has high special offense and special defense (~100s), good physical offense and defense (~90s), okay speed (~80s) and low HP (~70s).

As for Boarbeque, I'm assuming its HP is high, its defenses are unusually good but not high, and its attack is higher than its special attack, but it's the slowest Fire starter to date. Finally, Otterhorn is probably bulky like other Water starters, but faster than most of them, and it has balanced offence and defense. Mind you, I won't be using them, so I don't really care.

As for typing, I know someone said Grass/Dragon, Fire/Dark and Water/Fighting, but to be perfectly honest, I highly doubt the first two. GF is much too traditional and viciously cyclic for something so original; "cool" types like Dragon, Ghost, Psychic or Dark are never going to be part of a starter for some dumb reason. That we got a Water/Steel starter is a flippin' miracle.

But I do hope Leafsnake is Grass/Dragon or Grass/Flying. I'm a Grass-type user, so a pure Grass won't do (unless it's reeeally good), and neither will a Grass/Poison type (I've got Roserade) and another Grass/Ground starter would just be idiotic, considering how good Torterra is. So I'm not sure what kind of typing Leafsnake is gonna have (if any) but it'd better be original or it'll have no place in my A-Team.

Im hoping that Tsutaja becomes Grass/Flying or Grass/Psychic

pokewalker September 6th, 2010 11:12 AM

[QUOTE=#Emochu;6134196]
Quote:

Originally Posted by pokewalker (Post 6134174)
pokemon.com will update as soon as the release data in the USA is out. .co.jp september 18th :P

tomorrow I need to go to school! NOOOOOOO
Haha I go to school on the 15th :p

So there is a japanese website?

Don't they make updates quicker than the english one?

yes, but that is in Japanese. And it has Flash, so some things are unable to translate... http://cache2.hyves-static.net/images/smilies/default/smiley_cry.gif

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Haha I go to school on the 15th :p
damn! unfair!

StyxFTW September 6th, 2010 11:35 AM

I go to school in two days :P

On topic. I hope Tsutaja final evo is Grass/Poison. But it looks more like Grass/Flying. It's last evo looks ridiculous imo. I like Mijumaru's and Pokabu's though :D

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 6th, 2010 11:48 AM

I have to go to school tomorrow :(
Yeah well I think that Tsutarja might be pure Grass :(

[Your Name Here] September 6th, 2010 12:29 PM

Can't wait for the truth to be revealed.

Sammuthegreat September 6th, 2010 1:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyxomm (Post 6133545)
Someone wanted to see those .gif images of the starter evolutions.:

I've become more and more convinced that the released evolutions are fake over the course of today, and those .gifs have settled it in my mind. I wouldn't be surprised if a genuined Pokemon employee "leaked" fake images to stir up some hype in the days before release, because whenever the real starter evolutions are revealed, there's going to be a whole lot of interest...

As for the starters' final stats, I think we can tell a few things from the videos. In terms of HP at level 50, Tsutaja has the worst, Mijumaru the middle and Pokabu way out in front with the most HP.

In terms of Defence/Sp.Def, Mijumaru was in one video hit with an electric attack by Shimama, which was also at lv.50. Mijumaru didn't faint despite the super-effectiveness of the attack, suggesting that Mijumaru has high Defence or Special Defence (depending on whether Wild Bolt is Physical or Special - presumably Physical).

On top of this, we can make a few assumptions based on the Pokemon's appearances and possible typings. My guess is Tsutaja will end up as pure Grass and will be very fast with high Special Attack. I think Pokabu will end up as Fire/Ground or Fire/Dark with high HP and Physical Attack, as well as decent Defence/Special Defence and a decent Special Attack. I think he'll have low Speed though, possibly backed up by the fact that his attack, Nitro Charge, raises Speed. I think Mijumaru will end up as Water/Fighting, and he'll be an all-rounder, with his highest stat being Attack and his lowest being Special Defence.

Surmonter September 6th, 2010 3:20 PM

New Fakemon:

http://pokejungle.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/bw_parrot_doubtful-150x150.png

A sprite for Smugleaf's final evo has risen from 4chan. However, there is some proof of it actually being real. ;_;

http://pokejungle.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/bw_tsutaajaevo.jpg

rocky505 September 6th, 2010 3:37 PM

The sprite is just like the art so it must be fake.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 6th, 2010 3:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Surmonter (Post 6134684)
New Fakemon:

http://pokejungle.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/bw_parrot_doubtful-150x150.png

A sprite for Smugleaf's final evo has risen from 4chan. However, there is some proof of it actually being real. ;_;

http://pokejungle.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/bw_tsutaajaevo.jpg

What's the proof of the sprite being real?

Surmonter September 6th, 2010 3:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rocky505 (Post 6134723)
The sprite is just like the art so it must be fake.

So does almost every other BW sprite we have.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 6134738)
What's the proof of the sprite being real?

I don't know. Every place that put that up just said, "There is proof" but didn't say what it was. D:

TheDeadpool September 6th, 2010 4:17 PM

Starter Evoulution Discussion
 
Did anyone's mind get changed like mine? after i saw the released starter evolutions i went from choosing the grass snake to the sea otter. i mean the other two just look a little off to me. does anyone agree? i would get some pics, but im super lazy. :'[

Boarbeque September 6th, 2010 4:22 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDeadpool (Post 6134849)
Did anyone's mind get changed like mine? after i saw the released starter evolutions i went from choosing the grass snake to the sea otter. i mean the other two just look a little off to me. does anyone agree? i would get some pics, but im super lazy. :'[

Almost everyone knows that those are fake.

Clark September 6th, 2010 6:41 PM

Unless I'm mistaken, haven't the (real) starter evos never been revealed before the game's actual release, in any generation? From what I've read the only instance of an early evo reveal was with Blaziken.

... I personally don't like the designs of the unconfirmed B/W starter evos at all, and I was pretty much convinced they're fake the moment I saw at them. At any rate, I probably won't mind if they are in fact the real deal. I just... won't evolve my Miju past its second stage. :D;;

Åzurε September 6th, 2010 6:43 PM

I've noticed a pattern with the new Pokemon. A bunch of them have markings that look like pants.
Here's the Serebii page.
Examples would be Pokabu, Yanappu, Zoroark, Victini, and even Zekrom and Reshiram, depending on how hard you're looking. Musharna and Kurumiru are a stretch, but still come close.

It's not important or nothin', but I thought it was funny.

In other news, the final forms for Tsutaja and Mijumaru are too different from the second-stages. I think that's why they look weird to me. The only transitions from bipedal to quadrupedal, or vice-versa in starter Pokemon are Mudkip/Marshtomp and Quilava/Typhlosion. Quilava could feasibly stand on two legs for a bit, and develops into a biped throughout it's evolution line, and Mudkip is a basic "cute" form in the first place. It's strange to see a pokemon that is growing as a biped abruptly change into a quadruped for it's third form. As for Tsutaja's gang, well... the final form is definitely odd. heck, the second, confirmed form is odd. It's arms are stubbier, and I suppose it would make sense that the last form would have no limbs, but it seems gaudy when viewed with the other two. If you'll notice, Tsutaja has a smooth back, and the next one has leaves growing where there were none. And then the gaudy one has no leaves again. Something feels off. I just hope that one's wrong, at least.

countryemo September 6th, 2010 7:16 PM

i think that it may be possiple for the 1 evos to be real (well we know smugleaf and wotters are (i dont like these names o.o) the colors are a bit off. but mainly its only the final evo's that are most likley fake. pokabu's middle has a chance i guess :/.
so middle evos: 2 real / 1 possiple-fake
final evos: most likley all fake

Planetes. September 6th, 2010 9:27 PM

not sure if this has been posted yet but a Smuglord sprite surfaced on 4chanhttp://pokejungle.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/tsutaaja_evo.gif

The Red Chain September 6th, 2010 9:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AceDragonite (Post 6135414)
not sure if this has been posted yet but a Smuglord sprite surfaced on 4chanhttp://pokejungle.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/tsutaaja_evo.gif

Eh, the sprite is far too well made to actually be in B&W. Like I've said before, B&W's Pokemon sprites sacrificed their quality for motion, and now match in quality with RBY's. That sprite's quality is on par with DPPt's. Blatant failure on the spriter's part. XD


Planetes. September 6th, 2010 10:19 PM

well I also noticed that someone on the nuzlocke forums has this http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2010/249/1/2/mijumaru__s_final_evolution_by_momijithethird-d2y6i7f.gif
as his avatar, and Nuzlocke=4chan same spriter maybe?

WindBlows September 7th, 2010 2:33 AM

Melkor (Pokéxperto) posted this on his twitter. Real or fake?

http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg691/scaled.php?tn=0&server=691&filename=trp.png&xsize=640&ysize=640

http://yfrog.com/j7trpp

He also posted that:


-511: Yanappu.

-512: Yanappu Evo, same design but bigger, with an Elvis forelock, more hair and arrogant pose. Also a pure Grass type.

rocky505 September 7th, 2010 2:39 AM

The silhouette is fake he has already made one for the cat.

Surmonter September 7th, 2010 2:43 AM

^ How does that make it fake?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Twilite Darkrai (Post 6135664)
Melkor (Pokéxperto) posted this on his twitter. Real or fake?

http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg691/scaled.php?tn=0&server=691&filename=trp.png&xsize=640&ysize=640

http://yfrog.com/j7trpp

He also posted that:


-511: Yanappu.

-512: Yanappu Evo, same design but bigger, with an Elvis forelock, more hair and arrogant pose. Also a pure Grass type.

That silhouette is very strange.


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