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Sounds awesome. I believe this more than the starter evos xD
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Hey at least he tried unlike the one who brought the starter evos out.
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12 Dragons? That's 3 times as much as they usually release. At least twice as many as last Gen. That's a lot of power just sitting around. I can't see any of this as true right now. I find this guy extremely hard to believe right now. Especially since its supposed to be all original Pokemon. |
I AM JUST NOT BUYING THAT THESE STARTERS ARE REAL TBH, I MEAN I LIKE THEM, THEY JUST GIVE OFF A VIBE THAT SAYS "FAN-MADE"
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Yeah I know that but he is giving out info about it instead of just posting pictures on a spanish website.
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Since the guy said those images of the starters were beta my hopes for Miju3 being bipedal still stands.
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He didn't say they were beta. He said that those were the real forms. Only that thier Sprites would be different because of the Poses they are in.
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people are speculating this stuff so much on Bulbagarden. Someone said one may be a meguroko evo.
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Guys, I think until we actually get images, or proof that he's right, we should stop speculating on what he means. The rumours thread is gone for a reason - which means we should stick to what we know (or what we think we know). Sooo, you can continue discussing the second evolutions for the starters, but just leave this rumour until we actually get images either proving or denying what he said.
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Pretty much best proof I've seen. Just one more for being fake. I don't think the real side really has much to confirm it being real, tbh.
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Lol, busted. Aww, I really liked smugleaf's final evo, too... sooo cool... If the real Smugleaf 3rd does not live up to this one, It's Pokabu for me.
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If that's true then why doesn't Smugleaf2 line up perfectly with the Beta Art? If it was traced or even printed and colored, then the two images should overlap perfectly.
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thats not proof! the 'fake' smugleaf drawing should line up perfectly with the artwork under it if it was traced! wow....huurp durrrp!
also the wotter ev2 should have the whiskers in if its head was traced perfectly next to it too :S |
More hints are adding up to the fact that they are fake more than there are facts of them being real. I know Gamefreak has letdowns for some pokémon designs but this is a disappointment for me. At least they aren't confirmed yet and the game comes out in 13 days. Then we'll be able to know everything without the rumors and unconfirmed things lying around. :)
@ the above: The whiskers don't exactly go outside of the curved face line. So they won't be shown at the little edge of the box. |
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No, but there certainly has been enough evidence as of now that they are fake, despite them maybe being true. The biggest one that got me was how Wotter3 has two short whiskers and one longer whisker.. and a very short one on the opposite side that should be long. You can't deny the weirdness of that. Angle would not "chop" off that much of his other "long" whisker. |
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I think they look good, they don't looked traced and they don't look 'atrocious' they look fine. Nosepass and probopass... remember those? now those are 'atrocious'!! |
IMO Probopass had a better design then all three of those final starter evos.
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COME ON, Whats wrong with Smugleaf's evo. ;_;
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Smugleaf's final evo got the best deal out of them pictures.
I personally think they are fake, as many have said the proof is more leaning towards them being fake then them being real,. |
Ugh, I can't wait until these are proven to be real. They have very good designs, well, I don't really like the fire one because it looks like a fighting type BUT the other two are amazing.
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I think that the 2nd evo's of the starters are real and the 3rd ones are not. Wotters 3rd evo is to much like dialga in a way that it could be the baby form of it, Smugleafs final evo is cool, but is very different to its 2nd evo and the fire Pig is to much like Magmortar and Ryperior. I think they are pretty Hideous!
Smugleaf 3rd Evo: Grass/Poison OR dragon Wotter 3rd Evo: Water/Steel OR Ice OR Ground OR Dragon The fire Pig 3rd Evo: Fire/Fight OR Dark But I hope they are fake... |
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Anyway, the second stages of Wotter/Mijumaru and Tsutarja look OK, but it looks like second-stage starter evos are becoming harder to design each Generation... EDIT: The Internet's major flaw is becoming more and more apparent: rumors spread like wildfire. :( All of these artists making fake Pokemon right around release date are really getting on my nerves... If these rumor Pokemon are fake, I'm going to be disappointed with a few major Pokemon news sites who can't even bother to verify a darn source... But again, 11 days until the truth is revealed! :D |
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And who knows, maybe that picture is actually a coloured version of the sketches? Not that likely but certainly a possibility - I wouldn't quite think it's 'busted' imo. But at any rate - every gen when a legit Pokemon is released many shout fake/ugly at it, and vice versa - it's happened before both ways, so as said - a matter of just waiting and seeing. |
i don't think they are real actually. they seem fake. but if they are real... http://cache2.hyves-static.net/images/smilies/default/smiley_cry.gif
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Oh man, this is getting ridiculous now.
That is quite possibly the most retarded 'proof' I've ever seen. For starters (lol pun), Smugleaf2 doesn't even line up with the one on the Beta art, which automatically blows any credibility this 'proof' had out of the water. Also, the artwork might have been drawn from the Beta art purposely for the Anime. Don't get me wrong, if these starter evos are fake, I'll be happy (providing the actual evos are better). All I'm saying is don't get your hopes up. |
What will be harsh is if these are fake but the real ones are even worse X_X
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Just because the middle Smugleaf evo doesn't line up on those scans doesn't prove anything - the fact remains that there's a random bit of drawing at the side of the scan, which surely wouldn't be there if the scan was of an official document.
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some rumours about the starters and some other pokemon:
I am John Glover. Obviously this is not my real name but it shared the initials of my real name if you wish to know. It has come to my attention recently that the Starter Evolutions of Tsutarja, Pokabu, and Mijumaru have made their appearance online and I can indeed confirm, despite the "proof" given against them, that they are indeed real, although they will look slightly different once you see their sprites due to the difference in poses and mediums. In fact, I am quite certain most people here will like them or, at least, find them tolerable to the best of their abilities. Furthermore, I can also confirm that the rumored number of 156 new Pokemon is true and, in line with what Masuda has stated, they are all new Pokemon...there are no evolutions hidden away this time, all 156 are standalone from previous Pokemon. However, including Victini and Zorua/Zoroark, six of these are unable to be obtained via normal game play without the use of an event. And now for new information I present to you the overall type count of the new Pokemon, including the Pokemon with multiple forms that have dynamic types...I don't count the type twice if the form has it in both instances, only if the form changed type. Grass: 20 Water: 26 Fire: 17 Electric: 11 Psychic: 15 Ice: 10 Dragon: 12 Dark: 15 Normal: 22 Fighting: 13 Flying: 18 Poison: 14 Ground: 15 Rock: 12 Bug: 13 Ghost: 10 Steel: 11 Also, for proof, although it won't come till the end of the week, I can also give you the names of the Pokemon to be revealed by the end of this week in CoroCoro. They are Yanappu, Baoppu, Hiyappu, Emonga, Basurao, Tabunne, Darumakka, Shiidomi, Uzutako, Sebekuro, and Takuootu. |
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Just a note, since they were already posted; only discuss the unconfirmed starters from the rumour, since we know how they look. Everything else is just speculation which isn't needed - unless you want to discuss the rest of it in the certain threads that they relate to.
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This pretty much sums up this entire thread:
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There's something strage going on, if every single Pokemon blog, including the trusted ones like Serebii, Pokebeach, Bulbapedia, and Pokexperto are taking these evolutions into serious consideration, there must be something they know we don't. It seems the confirmation came from a very special source for this to happen as the webmasters of these sites have been doing this for year after year have encountered several situations similar to this. They even mensioned it clearly that this issue has come to a very critical level for them to actually post it and stated clearly that there's a slight chance they may be fake.
Anyways, to sum up, I feel if these evos end up being confirmed, every Pokemon blog, especially serebii, is going to own everyone who said they were fake :3. |
OK see:
Some months ago one of my friends in Greece was said me about the 2 legendaries pokemon Zekrom and Reshiram.I was the first person here in PC who posted this and everyone said that these pokemon were fake.Some hours later the official site and serebii confirmed that they were real.So some days ago the same friend tell me that these will be the evolution of the starters so i trusted again.And these evolutions will be the real.I don't care if you like but these are the evolutions. |
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I am not going to reveal my friend source.You can believe that these are the real evolutions or you can live in you lye that they aren't.
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And as far as I'm concerned, there is yet to be any solid proof that the evos are fake. Every piece of 'evidence' to prove that they're fake that we've seen so far have giant holes in them. |
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http://www.pokecommunity.com/showthread.php?t=220261
check this.I wouldn't give source everyone said that they were fake and 30 minutes later official site reveal them.I am not going to post the source because i will never get news from there if i reveal the source |
I would think the secondary evolution of the water starter would look something more like this:
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Get over yourself already. If these evos turn out to be real, all of you who jump around shouting "THEY'RE FAKE THEY'RE FAKE" are going to look like a bunch of tools. |
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Stop arguing.
Whatever turns out to be true is going to be true. If it turns out to be fake, it'll be fake. If it turns out to be real, then its real and 5th generation might suck in my opinion... |
Okay, nobody is going to be a tool. You're either wrong, or you're right. >_______>;
Which is why I'm hoping they're fake and thinking they most likely are, but still, there is a chance they're real, so meh. |
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I'm just looking at the situation realistically. Chances are they're real. And if they are real? Whatever. They aren't as bad as everyone is making them out to be. |
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Ken is the person in charge of making all Pokemon designs.
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Edit: Like I've said in the past, if you don't like them that's your opinion. Which is fine, because you're entitled to one. However, saying that a Pokemon can't be real because it's 'ugly' or 'doesn't look like a Pokemon' really doesn't contribute to anything, and certainly isn't proof that they're fake. |
I like the way people assume they are fake just because they don't like the designs :P, look at Nosepass, if you saw that thing before being confirmed you would think its a partical joke. I guess judging these Pokemon to fake or real by their looks is being repeated infinitely in this thread, and is getting us no where.
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I don't mind if they are real that much, I just want better and clearer artwork. If I try to zoom in, it gets way to blurry to make out anything.
For some reason, I really like Pokabu's evolution, not the final one but the first one. I just find it really cute. I'll probably be getting Pokabu if these evos are real. |
Someone wanted to see those .gif images of the starter evolutions. here they are:
http://i55.tinypic.com/hu507o.jpg http://i56.tinypic.com/2qutc9e.jpg http://i56.tinypic.com/f3gmd4.jpg http://i52.tinypic.com/qpqn4g.jpg http://i55.tinypic.com/22ydud.jpg This is also from the same guy: (don't forget to read the text on the bottem) http://i52.tinypic.com/2u5dzkp.jpg Oh and, found this on deviantART: http://a.imageshack.us/img823/5748/newstarterevolutionsbyt.png "Real gen III starter evolutions, confirmed by my secret source who is never wrong." sorry, I just had to post it. I've come to the point that I don't care anymore if the starter evolutions are real or not. Quote:
But Probopass on the other hand... that thing is a disgrace to nosepass. It has a hat a super sized nose and a mustache, what were they thinking. |
Worthless attempt here but I'm gonna try to steer this more in the direction of the starters themselves and not if they are fake or not. What will the stats be like on these guys? From experience I would say the water will be a bit slow but good in the other area's especially defense, the grass will either be very fast or very slow and pick an attack and defense and it will be good at it and lastly the fire will be decent all around but nothing so high that you really wanna write home about.
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lmfao, I like that post, Tyxxom. :D
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As for Boarbeque, I'm assuming its HP is high, its defenses are unusually good but not high, and its attack is higher than its special attack, but it's the slowest Fire starter to date. Finally, Otterhorn is probably bulky like other Water starters, but faster than most of them, and it has balanced offence and defense. Mind you, I won't be using them, so I don't really care. As for typing, I know someone said Grass/Dragon, Fire/Dark and Water/Fighting, but to be perfectly honest, I highly doubt the first two. GF is much too traditional and viciously cyclic for something so original; "cool" types like Dragon, Ghost, Psychic or Dark are never going to be part of a starter for some dumb reason. That we got a Water/Steel starter is a flippin' miracle. But I do hope Leafsnake is Grass/Dragon or Grass/Flying. I'm a Grass-type user, so a pure Grass won't do (unless it's reeeally good), and neither will a Grass/Poison type (I've got Roserade) and another Grass/Ground starter would just be idiotic, considering how good Torterra is. So I'm not sure what kind of typing Leafsnake is gonna have (if any) but it'd better be original or it'll have no place in my A-Team. |
I'm starting to like Mijumaru's final, I expect it to get up on its hind legs in the anime, Giant otters can stand up right?
I expect Pokabu's evolution to be part ground type not fight type. I wasn't a fan of Pokemon when D/P were being released, so does anyone know when Pokemon.com will update? September the 18th I guess : p |
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tomorrow I need to go to school! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
[QUOTE=pokewalker;6134174]pokemon.com will update as soon as the release data in the USA is out. .co.jp september 18th :P
tomorrow I need to go to school! NOOOOOOO Haha I go to school on the 15th :p So there is a japanese website? Don't they make updates quicker than the english one? |
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I go to school in two days :P
On topic. I hope Tsutaja final evo is Grass/Poison. But it looks more like Grass/Flying. It's last evo looks ridiculous imo. I like Mijumaru's and Pokabu's though :D |
I have to go to school tomorrow :(
Yeah well I think that Tsutarja might be pure Grass :( |
Can't wait for the truth to be revealed.
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As for the starters' final stats, I think we can tell a few things from the videos. In terms of HP at level 50, Tsutaja has the worst, Mijumaru the middle and Pokabu way out in front with the most HP. In terms of Defence/Sp.Def, Mijumaru was in one video hit with an electric attack by Shimama, which was also at lv.50. Mijumaru didn't faint despite the super-effectiveness of the attack, suggesting that Mijumaru has high Defence or Special Defence (depending on whether Wild Bolt is Physical or Special - presumably Physical). On top of this, we can make a few assumptions based on the Pokemon's appearances and possible typings. My guess is Tsutaja will end up as pure Grass and will be very fast with high Special Attack. I think Pokabu will end up as Fire/Ground or Fire/Dark with high HP and Physical Attack, as well as decent Defence/Special Defence and a decent Special Attack. I think he'll have low Speed though, possibly backed up by the fact that his attack, Nitro Charge, raises Speed. I think Mijumaru will end up as Water/Fighting, and he'll be an all-rounder, with his highest stat being Attack and his lowest being Special Defence. |
New Fakemon:
http://pokejungle.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/bw_parrot_doubtful-150x150.png A sprite for Smugleaf's final evo has risen from 4chan. However, there is some proof of it actually being real. ;_; http://pokejungle.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/bw_tsutaajaevo.jpg |
The sprite is just like the art so it must be fake.
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Starter Evoulution Discussion
Did anyone's mind get changed like mine? after i saw the released starter evolutions i went from choosing the grass snake to the sea otter. i mean the other two just look a little off to me. does anyone agree? i would get some pics, but im super lazy. :'[
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Unless I'm mistaken, haven't the (real) starter evos never been revealed before the game's actual release, in any generation? From what I've read the only instance of an early evo reveal was with Blaziken.
... I personally don't like the designs of the unconfirmed B/W starter evos at all, and I was pretty much convinced they're fake the moment I saw at them. At any rate, I probably won't mind if they are in fact the real deal. I just... won't evolve my Miju past its second stage. :D;; |
I've noticed a pattern with the new Pokemon. A bunch of them have markings that look like pants.
Here's the Serebii page. Examples would be Pokabu, Yanappu, Zoroark, Victini, and even Zekrom and Reshiram, depending on how hard you're looking. Musharna and Kurumiru are a stretch, but still come close. It's not important or nothin', but I thought it was funny. In other news, the final forms for Tsutaja and Mijumaru are too different from the second-stages. I think that's why they look weird to me. The only transitions from bipedal to quadrupedal, or vice-versa in starter Pokemon are Mudkip/Marshtomp and Quilava/Typhlosion. Quilava could feasibly stand on two legs for a bit, and develops into a biped throughout it's evolution line, and Mudkip is a basic "cute" form in the first place. It's strange to see a pokemon that is growing as a biped abruptly change into a quadruped for it's third form. As for Tsutaja's gang, well... the final form is definitely odd. heck, the second, confirmed form is odd. It's arms are stubbier, and I suppose it would make sense that the last form would have no limbs, but it seems gaudy when viewed with the other two. If you'll notice, Tsutaja has a smooth back, and the next one has leaves growing where there were none. And then the gaudy one has no leaves again. Something feels off. I just hope that one's wrong, at least. |
i think that it may be possiple for the 1 evos to be real (well we know smugleaf and wotters are (i dont like these names o.o) the colors are a bit off. but mainly its only the final evo's that are most likley fake. pokabu's middle has a chance i guess :/.
so middle evos: 2 real / 1 possiple-fake final evos: most likley all fake |
not sure if this has been posted yet but a Smuglord sprite surfaced on 4chanhttp://pokejungle.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/tsutaaja_evo.gif
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Eh, the sprite is far too well made to actually be in B&W. Like I've said before, B&W's Pokemon sprites sacrificed their quality for motion, and now match in quality with RBY's. That sprite's quality is on par with DPPt's. Blatant failure on the spriter's part. XD |
well I also noticed that someone on the nuzlocke forums has this http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2010/249/1/2/mijumaru__s_final_evolution_by_momijithethird-d2y6i7f.gif
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Melkor (Pokéxperto) posted this on his twitter. Real or fake? http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg691/scaled.php?tn=0&server=691&filename=trp.png&xsize=640&ysize=640 http://yfrog.com/j7trpp He also posted that: -511: Yanappu. -512: Yanappu Evo, same design but bigger, with an Elvis forelock, more hair and arrogant pose. Also a pure Grass type. |
The silhouette is fake he has already made one for the cat.
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