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InfernoHo-Oh September 8th, 2010 2:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyxomm (Post 6138869)
Here's pokexpreto's third legendary:
http://a.imageshack.us/img191/6182/thirdlegendary.png

Looks interesting. It looks like it could be the thrid legendary, but I don't know. It looks a little funny to me.

Shadow01192 September 8th, 2010 2:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Volroc (Post 6138682)
they made charizard, which removed fires weakness to ground
and empoleon which lost its weakness to grass
not to mention torterra which lost its weakness to fire :P

they will,hopefully :)

Umm torterra is totally weak to fire. You must have meant to say Swampert which lost its weakness to electric.

#Emochu September 8th, 2010 2:19 PM

Can every one please stop flaming me and calling me a shameless liar ;_;

I put the fact that he was gay in a spoiler cause it was off topic! ;_;, why are you all so mean!

Any ways I'm starting to belive these final starter evos are real, and I'm not sure about the DSi screenshots...were they from B/W tour or something? Or was it rom some guy at GF.

Surmonter September 8th, 2010 2:20 PM

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Originally Posted by rocky505 (Post 6138874)
Wasn't that thing confirmed fake awhile back -_- please tell me you are not being sarcastic.

It's a fan-art drawing. The creator never intended it to be thought of as real.

Tyxomm September 8th, 2010 2:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Surmonter (Post 6138892)
It's a fan-art drawing. The creator never intended it to be thought of as real.

It sure looks cool, and I wouldn't mind having that airplane dragon in my team.

Masterge77 September 8th, 2010 2:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyxomm (Post 6138869)
Here's pokemon infogames third legendary:
http://a.imageshack.us/img191/6182/thirdlegendary.png

Most definetly a fake, seriously, that thing is so damn ugly!

Boarbeque September 8th, 2010 2:32 PM

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Originally Posted by MilesG170 (Post 6138857)
To be honest, I think they look awful, but there isn't enough proof to support or deny either claim. We can keep arguing, but everyone getting worked up kinda makes this not feel like a true "community." I can't wait till the game comes out so people will let this topic die.

Most likely those starter evos are in fact just anime art. They will look a lot better when they are actual sprites and in sugimori style.

Another thing, Pokemon Info Games has posted nothing but complete fakes thus far. They are not to be trusted.

Livewire September 8th, 2010 2:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyxomm (Post 6138869)
Here's pokemon infogames third legendary:
http://a.imageshack.us/img191/6182/thirdlegendary.png

Ehhh... its alright, it reminds me of Giratina too much though.

rocky505 September 8th, 2010 2:34 PM

As long as Magboartar is not fire/fighting I will be fine with the starters.

countryemo September 8th, 2010 2:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Masterge77 (Post 6138905)
Most definetly a fake, seriously, that thing is so damn ugly!

omg wut? dosent matter, some pokemon will be ugly :/

anyways i think its possple for some of those aspects in the 3rd legend. like it being on four legs, and its tail. its head looks like a mix of the other to.

#Emochu September 8th, 2010 2:46 PM

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Originally Posted by rocky505 (Post 6138916)
As long as Magboartar is not fire/fighting I will be fine with the starters.

I hope its fire ground.

I dont see why everyone hates Tsutarja's final, it looks pretty awesome IMO. Grass/Dragon, Grass/Psychic or Grass/Poison??

countryemo September 8th, 2010 2:48 PM

i believe
pure grass
water/fighting
fire/dark or ground?
for the starter's evos

rocky505 September 8th, 2010 2:49 PM

Definatly not grass/dragon as it would break the triangle. Grass/poison is the best bet.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 8th, 2010 3:00 PM

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Originally Posted by rocky505 (Post 6138916)
As long as Magboartar is not fire/fighting I will be fine with the starters.

Well I read in pokexperto that it is Fire/Fighting the other two are pure typed...

#Emochu September 8th, 2010 3:05 PM

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Originally Posted by rocky505 (Post 6138956)
Definatly not grass/dragon as it would break the triangle. Grass/poison is the best bet.

Sorry sir I'm very stupid with Pokemon type Matchups.....sometimes.

@:Countryemo: If the Pokeexperto Miji evo was real, How would it be fighting if it was bipedal?

I hope its water dark. Cause then it would be like a Water version of Zoroark. Awesome :D

Surmonter September 8th, 2010 3:10 PM

If there is another Grass/Poison or Fire/Fighting starter this time around, I will hurt everyone who thought that was a good idea.

rocky505 September 8th, 2010 3:11 PM

We have only had grass/poison one time I see nothing wrong with that.

Cynder The Bloody Angel September 8th, 2010 3:11 PM

about that
i dont realy want a fire fieght end evo AGAIN it would be the third its getting boring -,-
grass dragon sounds cool and whats about water ice ? ^^

Surmonter September 8th, 2010 3:14 PM

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Originally Posted by rocky505 (Post 6139002)
We have only had grass/poison one time I see nothing wrong with that.

I just think Grass/Poison is too much of an obvious pairing. It just annoys me. They should make starters unique.

Zelda September 8th, 2010 3:18 PM

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Originally Posted by rocky505 (Post 6138916)
As long as Magboartar is not fire/fighting I will be fine with the starters.

Mijumaru suited the title for water/fighting best until its last evolution. That one just made it look more majestic as I said previously, and not so much of a fighter anymore. :(
Now Pokabu and its evolutions have the advantage of being a fighting type, especially with its design. It'll be a disappointment to me though, since as like many of the above posters has said, we've been getting a lot of the fire/fighting types. We have a slight chance of getting our wish for Mijumaru's evolutions becoming part fighting type, but hopefully these are fake and the designs are different and more reasonable.

I guess there is not much to say since we just have 10 more days left. If things are going as it is, we might not get anymore information about the starter evolutions until we see for ourselves. In a way this would make us more hungry and eager to see if its real or not by playing the games ourselves. However if we got confirmation that they are fake before the games are released, I'd hope not to see the official ones and wait the couple of days left. This way we'll be able to still have some excitement and curiosity in us.

Ho-Oh September 8th, 2010 3:19 PM

I've read back over what all of you said overnight and I just want to mention a few things.

Respect eachothers opinions. Don't flame eachother. Don't insult Pokemon news sites.

Really, it's not that hard to do.

On a lighter note, if the Tsutaaja evo is real, it won't be dragon, but probably just grass. Sad. :(

Surmonter September 8th, 2010 3:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Forever (Post 6139035)
I've read back over what all of you said overnight and I just want to mention a few things.

Respect eachothers opinions. Don't flame eachother. Don't insult Pokemon news sites.

Really, it's not that hard to do.

On a lighter note, if the Tsutaaja evo is real, it won't be dragon, but probably just grass. Sad. :(

Although, Grass/Dragon would be good if they didn't really give it as great as stats/moves.

The typing combination also gives it 4x weakness to ice.

I still don't think they will ever make a starter a cool type.

What I think would be cool, if they made the Grass starter Grass/Fire, the Fire one Fire/Water, and the water one Water/Grass.

NEUTRAL STARTERS YAY :D

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 8th, 2010 3:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by #Emochu (Post 6138987)
Sorry sir I'm very stupid with Pokemon type Matchups.....sometimes.

@:Countryemo: If the Pokeexperto Miji evo was real, How would it be fighting if it was bipedal?

I hope its water dark. Cause then it would be like a Water version of Zoroark. Awesome :D

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Originally Posted by Surmonter (Post 6139087)
Although, Grass/Dragon would be good if they didn't really give it as great as stats/moves.

The typing combination also gives it 4x weakness to ice.

I still don't think they will ever make a starter a cool type.

What I think would be cool, if they made the Grass starter Grass/Fire, the Fire one Fire/Water, and the water one Water/Grass.

NEUTRAL STARTERS YAY :D

Yeah but sadly I doubt that would ever happen :(

Volroc September 8th, 2010 3:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Shadow01192 (Post 6138885)
Umm torterra is totally weak to fire. You must have meant to say Swampert which lost its weakness to electric.

ya, sorry, long day lol

Quote:

Originally Posted by Surmonter (Post 6139016)
I just think Grass/Poison is too much of an obvious pairing. It just annoys me. They should make starters unique.

i completely agree with this, its the basis to why i hate infernape,other than it being completely ugly.

i honestly think we should speculate on the beginners, since the games are a week away, if we **** here argue pointlessly on obviously fake pictures (IMO) then that takes the fun out of it,& we will all be disappointed :(

on the 3rd legendary i saw up above,i know its fake, but i like the heads design :)

oh& grass/dragon isnt a bad idea, whoever called urself stupid for thinkin that, dont, the person whos stupid is the person who insulted you for thinkin that your stupid for your opinion.

i think grass/dragon would be a great combo, after all it gets rid of fire, but makes ice x4, & ice pokemon are more common than fire types (well in gen4 they are :P)

Xander Olivieri September 8th, 2010 4:40 PM

Tsutaja's final being Grass/Dragon wouldn't break the cycle. There were points already put up. Empoleon Water/Steel loses its Grass Weakness so the cycle for that group broke.

I would love to have an official Dragon for a starter and not just a breed group dragon like Charizard. If Tsutaja's Evo was part Dragon it would at least make it above "useless as dirt" rating for me.

Personal Stand point. I want all the Evolutions to be pure type.
Tsutaja's whole line: Pure Grass
Pokabu's whole line: Pure Fire
Mijumaru's whole line: Pure Water

I also see Tsutaja's final evo looking like a Snake at the end. I mean Tsutaja is a "snake" Pokemon. I saw someone post about ancient snakes having arms and legs and then loosing them through evolution so I can see this happening with Tsutaja.

For Pokabu...I can see either the Fire Boar quadraped idea or bipedial wrestler pig idea.

For Mijumaru. I'm hoping it comes something close to the art we got cause I absolutely love that one. I was already starting with Mijumaru, but that Evolution made me want to evolve it a whole lot faster.

rocky505 September 8th, 2010 4:45 PM

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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 6139308)
Tsutaja's final being Grass/Dragon wouldn't break the cycle. There were points already put up. Empoleon Water/Steel loses its Grass Weakness so the cycle for that group broke. Doesn't matter Torterra is also ground type

I would love to have an official Dragon for a starter and not just a breed group dragon like Charizard. If Tsutaja's Evo was part Dragon it would at least make it above "useless as dirt" rating for me.

Personal Stand point. I want all the Evolutions to be pure type.
Tsutaja's whole line: Pure Grass
Pokabu's whole line: Pure Fire
Mijumaru's whole line: Pure Water

I also see Tsutaja's final evo looking like a Snake at the end. I mean Tsutaja is a "snake" Pokemon. I saw someone post about ancient snakes having arms and legs and then loosing them through evolution so I can see this happening with Tsutaja.

For Pokabu...I can see either the Fire Boar quadraped idea or bipedial wrestler pig idea.

For Mijumaru. I'm hoping it comes something close to the art we got cause I absolutely love that one. I was already starting with Mijumaru, but that Evolution made me want to evolve it a whole lot faster.

If Miju3 learns megahorn it'll be the first starter final evolution to do that. comments in bold

Xander Olivieri September 8th, 2010 4:48 PM

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Originally Posted by rocky505 (Post 6139320)
If Miju3 learns megahorn it'll be the first starter final evolution to do that. comments in bold

The cycle is no longer Fire > Grass > Water.

for the secondary types: Fighting > Steel < Ground. Still Cycle is broken.

You could counter Empoleon learns Flying attacks, but the cycle for type advantage was still lost.

Grass/Dragon wouldn't break the cycle.

rocky505 September 8th, 2010 4:53 PM

Yes it would. one of the other two would have to be /dragon as well or /ice for it to work.

Surmonter September 8th, 2010 5:03 PM

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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 6139308)
Tsutaja's final being Grass/Dragon wouldn't break the cycle. There were points already put up. Empoleon Water/Steel loses its Grass Weakness so the cycle for that group broke.

I would love to have an official Dragon for a starter and not just a breed group dragon like Charizard. If Tsutaja's Evo was part Dragon it would at least make it above "useless as dirt" rating for me.

Personal Stand point. I want all the Evolutions to be pure type.
Tsutaja's whole line: Pure Grass
Pokabu's whole line: Pure Fire
Mijumaru's whole line: Pure Water

I also see Tsutaja's final evo looking like a Snake at the end. I mean Tsutaja is a "snake" Pokemon. I saw someone post about ancient snakes having arms and legs and then loosing them through evolution so I can see this happening with Tsutaja.

For Pokabu...I can see either the Fire Boar quadraped idea or bipedial wrestler pig idea.

For Mijumaru. I'm hoping it comes something close to the art we got cause I absolutely love that one. I was already starting with Mijumaru, but that Evolution made me want to evolve it a whole lot faster.

Wouldn't Torterra losing it's resistance to water also break the cycle?

Sinnoh had a weird final starter base. Empoleon was the odd one out, because Torterra could easily defeat it with Earthquake, and Infernape could too with Close Combat. :( Poor Empoleon.

Maybe there isn't a cycle? Maybe that's just a fan-created theory based on what we have observed in the past? So, it's possible that Tsutaja's final assuming it's real could be part Dragon.

Devil Flamingo September 8th, 2010 5:06 PM

As much as I hate to say it, Leafsnake is not a Grass/Dragon. GF is much too conservative for something as avant-garde as a starter being part Dragon, so as far as I'm concerned, it's not gonna happen.

I'm also hoping it is not pure Grass or Grass/Poison, but it likely is, which means I will probably ditch it in favour of another Grass type, because I have no use or need for a Sceptile/Roserade wannabe, especially the latter. As far as I'm concerned Roserade outclasses every single Grass/Poison Pokemon in existence and creating more Grass/Poison Pokemon is both idiotic and unnecessary. If you don't like Roserade, just use Venusaur. The other two are fairly useless in comparison (although I still adore Vileplume; I just don't use it). As for the other two, I really couldn't care less. XD Another Fire/Fighting will make no difference to me; as far as I'm concerned Blaziken is the only Fire/Fighting Pokemon that matters. And, while it'd be cool if Ottarmor was part Fighting (or Ice), I won't be using it so idrc. ;P

Finally, I don't mean to be rude to anyone, but this whole "cycle" thing that people are talking about is nonense as far as I'm concerned. There's no such thing.

Volroc September 8th, 2010 9:45 PM

i agree that its unlikely& that gamefreak arent smart enough to make a part dragon beginner, but i still hope for a grass/dragon & a fire/dragon (thats not that ****tard reshiram) whether its a beginner or not :)

as long as smugleaf isnt part poison, im happy, every snake has been part poison, & i thing poison is the worse type for seviper, it shouldve been dark, or fire IMO it just seems to fit it better.

i honestly dont care about mijumaru, im not big on water beginners, piplup is my fav...
im not much into the fire piggy, since my wife dubbed it "Bacon!!"
dont get me wrong their both cute, but tsutarja is my beginner for gen5
gen1- charmander
gen2-cyndaquil
gen3-torchic&treecko
gen4-piplup
gen5-tsutarja
i guess i always use the reptile or bird :P
i use Cyndaquil cuz its the best fire pookemon IMO

i hope this region is more diverse in fire, ice, ghost, &dragon types since those are my fav types :)

Shadow01192 September 8th, 2010 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by rocky505 (Post 6139344)
Yes it would. one of the other two would have to be /dragon as well or /ice for it to work.

I could get behind a Fire/Ice Pokemon, in fact that sounds very useful. Granted I would prefer see a fire grass, like tangrowth evolving into a burning bush or something but Fire needs to be more diversified, and Ice needs to be more diversified. I am still rather hoping to see a few evolutions of previous pokemon though, I know not everyone is behind that but I think it really helped some pokemon that needed the help.

JirachiFan99 September 8th, 2010 11:07 PM

I hope that the 5th gen starter lines would go something like this:

Water > Water > Water/Rock
Fire > Fire/Fighting > Fire/Fighting
Grass > Grass/Poison > Grass/Poison

Surmonter September 9th, 2010 2:41 AM

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Originally Posted by JirachiFan99 (Post 6139931)
I hope that the 5th gen starter lines would go something like this:

Water > Water > Water/Rock
Fire > Fire/Fighting > Fire/Fighting
Grass > Grass/Poison > Grass/Poison

Why do you want a third Fire/Fighting starter in a row? ;_;

This is said to be the final Kurukiru evolution (which is also supposed to be Bug/GrasS) or a final Bug/Poison Pokemon. How can they not know which? D:

http://pokejungle.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/experto_sil4.png

Here is a list of rumors since the rumors thread was closed:

Spoiler:

No new natures are being introduced
26 new abilities
156 total new pokemon (5 being distribution-only) [This correlates to what Experto has said]
Squirtle: Shell Armor
Charmander: Flame Body
Bulbasaur: Poison Point

Ho-Oh September 9th, 2010 2:47 AM

...looks interesting. I can sort of visualise it as something like Pinsir and Weedle.

As for the rumours, they'll fit into the relevant threads, but this thread isn't for rumours. It's only for 5th Gen Unconfirmed/Fake Pokemon.

Frozen Solid Tea September 9th, 2010 4:29 AM

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Originally Posted by elarmasecreta (Post 6138714)
Yeah, but Blastoise isn't part ground.

That's why Torterra is part ground
That ain't true and you know it, Ground doesn't resist fire

:p

But, like you said, they're fake, lets just hope the real ones will look a lot better then these ones.

It would be weak, if Mijumaru's frickin' ugly evolution (hope it's fake) is parte ice, since ice beats dragon and grass, causing a 4x damage. It would reverse the cycle, but that's ok for me.

I hope that those evos are fake, since Pokabu, who was the best starter, turned out to be ugly and fighting (once again!). I was hoping for some four-legged boar, an awesome one at that. I didn't like Mijumaru very much, but the first evo is cool (if it's white, like Miju), but no, they had to ruin it in the second evo with that horrible head and body. I saw some images on deviantArt, and I saw some really cool evos for him, making me wish that GF would see them and make them real! Not those ugly ones that came out and are hopefully fake. As for Tsutaja's ones, they could be better, but I'm fine with them...

Also, on a different (and a bit off-topic) note, is it just me, or does Chillarmy look like a prevolution of Eevee (I'm saying it looks like, and not "it must be!", don't get confused)? xD

Impo September 9th, 2010 4:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Frozen Solid Tea (Post 6140163)
It would be weak, if Mijumaru's frickin' ugly evolution (hope it's fake) is parte ice, since ice beats dragon and grass, causing a 4x damage.

im surprised at how no water starter was part ice :P .
but i only like tsuutaja (or whatever the hell its name was)'s evo,
i hated pokabu's,
not enjoying what looks like the 3rd fire/fighting starter.

Kyo-chan September 9th, 2010 5:08 AM

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Originally Posted by takkunlove7 (Post 6138410)
even serebii doesn't post their source most of the time but pokejungle gets all info from different sites including pokexperto.

pokejungle is reporting an evo for kibago.

Checked it this morning while you were in class and it's now saying it's fake dear, which saddens me cause you know I like this guy =(

lucaspontes September 9th, 2010 5:31 AM

Hm... I don't think the starters evos are that bad.

PsychoJigglypuff September 9th, 2010 7:49 AM

Hmm... Well the silhouette doesn't look like it would be an evolution of Kurukiru. But then again, if it's only a silhouette you can't really tell.

Fushigidane-Chan September 9th, 2010 8:18 AM

Interesting read... Not confirmed, in a sense, but pretty damn likely at this point.

Quote:

Okay, I'll answer that. Kinda.

Mamanboo stays alone at both Isshu and National PokéDex. There is at least another Pokémon that could be related to an already known one but isn't.

My general guess is that Game Freak has re-done First Gen on purpose. As you pointed out, there are many Pokémon that seem newer versions of old Pokémon, like Poliwag, Machop or Zubat. Or at least perform the same functions.

The case of Mamanboo is just that it is way too similar to Luvdisc not to think they are in fact related. But as far as my data goes, they aren't. So, as far as I know, no single new Pokémon is related to a Gen I-IV Pokémon, no evolutions or pre-evolutions. As I don't have the games myself, I cannot tell if there is some kind of relation whatsoever.

#Emochu September 9th, 2010 8:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Surmonter (Post 6139087)
Although, Grass/Dragon would be good if they didn't really give it as great as stats/moves.

The typing combination also gives it 4x weakness to ice.

I still don't think they will ever make a starter a cool type.

What I think would be cool, if they made the Grass starter Grass/Fire, the Fire one Fire/Water, and the water one Water/Grass.

NEUTRAL STARTERS YAY :D


Not t'bother you man, but the whole point of having your starter be weak to your rival's starter is to encourage you to catch different types of Pokemon.


Grass Psychic with a variety of Poison moves would be cool. And Fire Ground really suites the Boarbeque final.

takkunlove7 September 9th, 2010 9:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Kyo-chan (Post 6140191)
Checked it this morning while you were in class and it's now saying it's fake dear, which saddens me cause you know I like this guy =(

I know that love, hence why it's in the fake pokemon thread.

as for the catepillar one's final evo, wonder if it's true. doesn't look a thing like him but apparently that's a theme in this generation... lol

Xander Olivieri September 9th, 2010 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by takkunlove7 (Post 6140611)
I know that love, hence why it's in the fake pokemon thread.

as for the catepillar one's final evo, wonder if it's true. doesn't look a thing like him but apparently that's a theme in this generation... lol

All the caterpillar Pokemon don't look like their final forms so its to be expected that the Grass/Bug won't look like its final form.

Yams September 9th, 2010 10:50 AM

Grass/Psychic, Fire/Dark, and Water/Fighting?

Not too unlikely I say.

Xeos September 9th, 2010 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Yams (Post 6140677)
Grass/Psychic, Fire/Dark, and Water/Fighting?

Not too unlikely I say.

I'm following this idea. Hopefully it will end up like this seeing that the "cycle" many of you were talking about wouldn't be disrupted. it would just be a bit misshapen.

Masterge77 September 9th, 2010 11:22 AM

Here is the Isshu Pokedex so far, as Pokejungle and Pokexperto have said:

Spoiler:

494/000 - Victini (Psychic/Fire)
495/001 - Tsutaja (Grass)
496/002 - Tsutaja 1 (Grass???)
497/003 - Tsutaja 2 (Grass???)
498/004 - Pokabu (Fire)
499/005 - Pokabu 1 (Fire???)
500/006 - Pokabu 2 (Fire???)
501/007 - Mijumaru (Water)
502/008 - Mijumaru 1 (Water???)
503/009 - Mijumaru 2 (Water???)
504/010 - Minezumi (Normal)
505/011 - Miruhoggu (Normal)
506/012 - Dog (Normal)
507/013 - Dog evo 1 (Normal)
508/014 - Dog evo 2 (Normal)
509/015 - Purple cat(Dark)
510/016 - Purple panther(Dark)
511/017 - Yanappu (Grass)
512/018 - Yanappu evo (Grass)
513/019 - Baoppu (Fire)
514/020 - Baoppu evo (Fire)
515/021 - Hiyappu (Water)
516/022 - Hiyappu evo (Water)
517/023 - Munna (Psychic)
518/024 - Musharna (Psychic)
519/025 - Mamepato (Normal/Flying)
520/026 - Hatoopoo (Normal/Flying)
521/027 - Hatoopoo evo (Normal/Flying) apparently has a second forme in the spring
522/028 - Shimama (Electric)
523/029 - Shimama evo (Electric)
524/030 - Gigaiasu stage 1(Rock)
525/031 - Gigaiasu stage 2(Rock)
526/032 - Gigaiasu (Rock)
527/033 - Koromori (Psychic/Flying)
528/034 - Koromori evo (Psychic/Flying)
529/035 - Morguryuu (Ground)
530/036 - Doryuuzu (Ground/Steel)
531/037 - Tabunne (Normal)
532/038 - Wood plank holder (Fighting)
533/039 - Iron girder holder (Fighting)
534/040 - Concrete block holder (Fighting)
535/041 - Tadpole (Water)
536/042 - Tadpole evo (Water/Ground)
537/043 - Frog (Water/Ground)
538/044 - Judo Pokemon (Fighting)
539/045 - Judo Pokemon evo (Fighting)
540/046 - Kurumiru (Bug/Grass)
541/047 - Kurumiru evo (Bug/Grass)
542/048 - Phylliidae (Bug/Grass)
543/049 - Centipede (Bug/Poison)
544/050 - Cocoon (Bug/Poison)
545/051 - Escolopendra (Bug/Poison)
546/052 - Cotton plant (Grass)
547/053 - Cotton plant evo (Grass)

.....

572/078 - Chillarmy (Normal)

pokewalker September 9th, 2010 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Masterge77 (Post 6140747)
Here is the Isshu Pokedex so far, as Pokejungle and Pokexperto have said:

Spoiler:

494/000 - Victini (Psychic/Fire)
495/001 - Tsutaja (Grass)
496/002 - Tsutaja 1 (Grass???)
497/003 - Tsutaja 2 (Grass???)
498/004 - Pokabu (Fire)
499/005 - Pokabu 1 (Fire???)
500/006 - Pokabu 2 (Fire???)
501/007 - Mijumaru (Water)
502/008 - Mijumaru 1 (Water???)
503/009 - Mijumaru 2 (Water???)
504/010 - Minezumi (Normal)
505/011 - Miruhoggu (Normal)
506/012 - Dog (Normal)
507/013 - Dog evo 1 (Normal)
508/014 - Dog evo 2 (Normal)
509/015 - Purple cat(Dark)
510/016 - Purple panther(Dark)
511/017 - Yanappu (Grass)
512/018 - Yanappu evo (Grass)
513/019 - Baoppu (Fire)
514/020 - Baoppu evo (Fire)
515/021 - Hiyappu (Water)
516/022 - Hiyappu evo (Water)
517/023 - Munna (Psychic)
518/024 - Musharna (Psychic)
519/025 - Mamepato (Normal/Flying)
520/026 - Hatoopoo (Normal/Flying)
521/027 - Hatoopoo evo (Normal/Flying) apparently has a second forme in the spring
522/028 - Shimama (Electric)
523/029 - Shimama evo (Electric)
524/030 - Gigaiasu stage 1(Rock)
525/031 - Gigaiasu stage 2(Rock)
526/032 - Gigaiasu (Rock)
527/033 - Koromori (Psychic/Flying)
528/034 - Koromori evo (Psychic/Flying)
529/035 - Morguryuu (Ground)
530/036 - Doryuuzu (Ground/Steel)
531/037 - Tabunne (Normal)
532/038 - Wood plank holder (Fighting)
533/039 - Iron girder holder (Fighting)
534/040 - Concrete block holder (Fighting)
535/041 - Tadpole (Water)
536/042 - Tadpole evo (Water/Ground)
537/043 - Frog (Water/Ground)
538/044 - Judo Pokemon (Fighting)
539/045 - Judo Pokemon evo (Fighting)
540/046 - Kurumiru (Bug/Grass)
541/047 - Kurumiru evo (Bug/Grass)
542/048 - Phylliidae (Bug/Grass)
543/049 - Centipede (Bug/Poison)
544/050 - Cocoon (Bug/Poison)
545/051 - Escolopendra (Bug/Poison)
546/052 - Cotton plant (Grass)
547/053 - Cotton plant evo (Grass)

.....

572/078 - Chillarmy (Normal)

It seems pretty legit, but I don't think it is.

Planetes. September 9th, 2010 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Masterge77 (Post 6140747)
Here is the Isshu Pokedex so far, as Pokejungle and Pokexperto have said:

Spoiler:

494/000 - Victini (Psychic/Fire)-I said it was 494 from the start when everybody freaked out that it was no. 000
495/001 - Tsutaja (Grass)
496/002 - Tsutaja 1 (Grass???)
497/003 - Tsutaja 2 (Grass???)-Grass/Dragon would only happen if gamefreak gave it crappy base stats imo, either goes for G/P or G/FL
498/004 - Pokabu (Fire)
499/005 - Pokabu 1 (Fire???)
500/006 - Pokabu 2 (Fire???) Looks to be fighting or rock if the evos are definetly real.
501/007 - Mijumaru (Water)
502/008 - Mijumaru 1 (Water???)
503/009 - Mijumaru 2 (Water???)-Water/Ground, Water/Steel, or pure water, again only if the evos are real.
504/010 - Minezumi (Normal)
505/011 - Miruhoggu (Normal)
506/012 - Dog (Normal)
507/013 - Dog evo 1 (Normal)
508/014 - Dog evo 2 (Normal)-A 3 stage non-bird vendor trash is a rarity in Pokemon
509/015 - Purple cat(Dark)-Ah so its dark....I thought it would turn out psychic
510/016 - Purple panther(Dark)
511/017 - Yanappu (Grass)
512/018 - Yanappu evo (Grass)
513/019 - Baoppu (Fire)
514/020 - Baoppu evo (Fire)
515/021 - Hiyappu (Water)
516/022 - Hiyappu evo (Water)
517/023 - Munna (Psychic)
518/024 - Musharna (Psychic)
519/025 Psychic Elephant-There fixed it.
520/026 - Hatoopoo (Normal/Flying)
521/027 - Hatoopoo evo (Normal/Flying) apparently has a second forme in the spring-seasonal evolution is a good idea.
522/028 - Shimama (Electric)
523/029 - Shimama evo (Electric)
524/030 - Gigaiasu stage 1(Rock)
525/031 - Gigaiasu stage 2(Rock)
526/032 - Gigaiasu (Rock)-These guys are far better than their gen 1 counterparts imo
527/033 - Koromori (Psychic/Flying)
528/034 - Koromori evo (Psychic/Flying)
529/035 - Morguryuu (Ground)
530/036 - Doryuuzu (Ground/Steel)
531/037 - Tabunne (Normal)
532/038 - Wood plank holder (Fighting)
533/039 - Iron girder holder (Fighting)
534/040 - Concrete block holder (Fighting) *W* Yay 3 stage fighting. Though I can't imagine a Pokemon holding a concrete block....
535/041 - Tadpole (Water)
536/042 - Tadpole evo (Water/Ground)
537/043 - Frog (Water/Ground) Oooh another 3 stage water early poke, another rarity.
538/044 - Judo Pokemon (Fighting)-I'd assume they would be more creative.
539/045 - Judo Pokemon evo (Fighting)
540/046 - Kurumiru (Bug/Grass)-
541/047 - Kurumiru evo (Bug/Grass)
542/048 - Phylliidae (Bug/Grass) ALL OF THESE ARE VENDOR DERP
543/049 - Centipede (Bug/Poison)
544/050 - Cocoon (Bug/Poison)
545/051 - Escolopendra (Bug/Poison)
546/052 - Cotton plant (Grass)
547/053 - Cotton plant evo (Grass)

.....

572/078 - Chillarmy (Normal)

-Chillarmy is prob a gimmick or noveltymon

Comments are in bold, and thanks for posting this!

giorgos September 9th, 2010 11:52 AM

Pokeexperto reveal gigaiasu family :
http://www.pokexperto.net/index2.php

Cameo September 9th, 2010 12:01 PM

I'm not sure am I the only one here who has thougth this a little longer but there is no way there's going to be a starter with dragon as the secondary type. Apologize those who think so but there's not any logic behind thinking that way. It is already pretty clear that Mijumaru's evolutions will be somewhat fighting spirited (COME ON PEOPLE! Shell Blade is so obvious that you can't unnotice the hint in it!) so there is really HIGH chance they'll have fighting as their secondary type in the end. That's why I believe (after observing more of Pokabu's coloring etc.) that Pokabu will have as it's secondary type dark and Tsutarja will receive psychic. That way THE CYCLE (Believe me, there truly is a thing called the cycle!) that has been since the very first generation won't be twisted or broken.

Pokabu and it's evolutions: Fire/Dark
Mijumaru and it's evolutions: Water/Fighting
Tsutarja and it's evolutions: Grass/Psychic

Next you might wonder why Tsutarja and it's evolutions couldn't be grass and dragon typed, right? Well, there is a really good reason why I don't think that will ever going to happen. First of all there is the thing that it would completely make dragons look rather normal and not so cool at all if you'd get one in the very beginning of the game. Or not in the beginning but eventually without putting any effort in it. So far dragon pokémon have been these mystical creatures such as guardians of the atmosphere, rulers of the desert, masters of time/space/afterlife and such stuff so logicly Tsutarja would be somewhat über. Also, if Tsutarja-family would somehow turn out to be Grass/Dragon that would make Pokabu to evolve into somekind of Fire/Ice creature because Mijumaru-family most likely be Water/Fighting. That way the cycle wouldn't brake but in the end it would be twisted and also it sounds really idiotic if fire gets fused with ice.

Tyxomm September 9th, 2010 12:12 PM

I guess that the starter evolutions are confirmed real now T_T

Quote:

http://www.dotup.org/uploda/www.dotup.org1138051.jpg
http://www.dotup.org/uploda/www.dotup.org1138056.jpg

Translated by a friend on Serebii Forums
Ken Sugimori, primary illustrator: I really struggled the most with the Water-type [starter] this time.
Yusuke Ohmura, illustrator: There was talk of, “Wouldn’t a sea otter be good for the Water starter?” But it was a really close decision in terms of what this sea otter would become once it evolves. In the end, we decided to have it evolve into something with a completely different appearance.
Sugimori: Of course, we want to make the starters into Pokémon that remain with the player throughout the game, so we hope to make them evolve into creatures that offer a surprise to the player. We always make an effort to throw in some twists and create third-stage evolutions that have an impact.
Ohmura: There was also talk this time about dividing the three starters into Japanese, Western, and Chinese styles of design. Tsutaaja was based on Western design, and Pokabu was rooted in a Chinese style, so I was told, “Let’s make Mijumaru into a more Japanese-style design.” Someone even asked, “Can’t you make Mijumaru into a samurai?” [laughs]
Everyone: [laughs]
Sugimori: I worried about it for a while, and I eventually went to go see the sea otters at the aquarium. I happened to catch the sea lion show while I was there, and I became aware of the sea lion’s power. “Well, let’s try blending a sea otter and a sea lion,” I thought. I came up with the idea of making the shell on Mijumaru’s stomach into a sword (katana) and using it to fight, and that’s how I completed Mijumaru and its evolution.”


takkunlove7 September 9th, 2010 12:21 PM

What's this from? A magazine and where did you get it from?

Xeos September 9th, 2010 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyxomm (Post 6140872)
I guess that the starter evolutions are confirmed real now T_T

Hm... At least I now know who I'm not choosing... This might finally be the first time I ever pick a fire-type as the starter. Took it long enough...

Cameo September 9th, 2010 12:31 PM

I personally still doubt those pictures about the starter's evolutions no matter what. XD I refuse to think that Sugimori and Ohmura would create a four legged sealionottercombination of that kind which even looks like someone would have just thrown up or something. And I really can't see how that weirdo could use the huge shell on it's head as if it was like a katana or something. O__O Just really sick design if truly really truly confirmed to be true.

Livewire September 9th, 2010 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xeos (Post 6140904)
Hm... At least I now know who I'm not choosing... This might finally be the first time I ever pick a fire-type as the starter. Took it long enough...

This may be the first gen where i ditch my starter entirely. :/

Xeos September 9th, 2010 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Live_Wire466 (Post 6140967)
This may be the first gen where i ditch my starter entirely. :/

OH yeah I've done that every Gen except for I and II

rocky505 September 9th, 2010 12:51 PM

As long as Miju3 is both quad and bipedal like swampert and typhlosion I'll be fine.

Xeos September 9th, 2010 1:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rocky505 (Post 6141000)
As long as Miju3 is both quad and bipedal like swampert and typhlosion I'll be fine.

Typhlosion was Quadped?! O_o

Anyway... What about the little skull thingy with legs? And the blue fish?

Dialga812 September 9th, 2010 3:15 PM

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i dont know if these pokemon are real or not..but i saw them on that image sliding thing on pocketmonster.net and theres a lot more pokemon designs x]


here some more pictures x]

Planetes. September 9th, 2010 3:27 PM

Well I started to like Miju's evo when Ken Sugimori explained it. I like Pokabu's evos and Pokabu is my favorite starter, so I'm definetly having a hard tme picking.

Zelda September 9th, 2010 3:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dialga812 (Post 6141360)
i dont know if these pokemon are real or not..but i saw them on that image sliding thing on pocketmonster.net and theres a lot more pokemon designs x]

Until a main source website like Serebii or Pokébeach has this put up, then I'll have some concerns. However right now it seems that they don't have the detail that some of the pokémon contain and there isn't much information. Like for example the "possible 2nd evolution (or 1st)" for Gigaiasu, doesn't have the rough look Gigaiasu does.



The mini details on Gigaiasu (such as the little light and dark blue spots on its body) isn't on the other one. That one is more smooth and painted like. I'm betting on it being fake since it looks like someone with a computer tablet and a well drawing program could do that. ;x

JP September 9th, 2010 3:59 PM

If I remember reading right, they're not exactly real. They're supposedly interpretations of rumors going around. It's all on Pokejungle.

Boarbeque September 9th, 2010 4:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AceDragonite (Post 6141391)
Well I started to like Miju's evo when Ken Sugimori explained it. I like Pokabu's evos and Pokabu is my favorite starter, so I'm definetly having a hard tme picking.

Quote:

http://www.dotup.org/uploda/www.dotup.org1138051.jpg
http://www.dotup.org/uploda/www.dotup.org1138056.jpg

Translated by a friend on Serebii Forums
Ken Sugimori, primary illustrator: I really struggled the most with the Water-type [starter] this time.
Yusuke Ohmura, illustrator: There was talk of, “Wouldn’t a sea otter be good for the Water starter?” But it was a really close decision in terms of what this sea otter would become once it evolves. In the end, we decided to have it evolve into something with a completely different appearance.
Sugimori: Of course, we want to make the starters into Pokémon that remain with the player throughout the game, so we hope to make them evolve into creatures that offer a surprise to the player. We always make an effort to throw in some twists and create third-stage evolutions that have an impact.
Ohmura: There was also talk this time about dividing the three starters into Japanese, Western, and Chinese styles of design. Tsutaaja was based on Western design, and Pokabu was rooted in a Chinese style, so I was told, “Let’s make Mijumaru into a more Japanese-style design.” Someone even asked, “Can’t you make Mijumaru into a samurai?” [laughs]
Everyone: [laughs]
Sugimori: I worried about it for a while, and I eventually went to go see the sea otters at the aquarium. I happened to catch the sea lion show while I was there, and I became aware of the sea lion’s power. “Well, let’s try blending a sea otter and a sea lion,” I thought. I came up with the idea of making the shell on Mijumaru’s stomach into a sword (katana) and using it to fight, and that’s how I completed Mijumaru and its evolution.”
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyxomm (Post 6140872)
I guess that the starter evolutions are confirmed real now T_T

The starter evos are fake. Its been proven with that very interview.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katana
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samurai

In the beta art we got like 2 or so months ago we first saw Mijumaru's evolution, along with Tsutaja's (and koromori and kibago blah blah blah).

Upon closer inspection of Mijumaru's evo he had a samurai kusazari/haidate around his waist with one shell on each side, which basically symbolized having two "sheathed" katanas:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katana
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samurai

In the beta art we got like 2 or so months ago we first saw Mijumaru's evolution, along with Tsutaja's (and koromori and kibago blah blah blah).

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:56S_5FoUZ4tk3M:http://www.nintendoeverything.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/art.png&t=1

Upon closer inspection of Mijumaru's evo he had a samurai kusazari/haidate around his waist with one shell on each side, which basically symbolized having two "sheathed" katanas:

http://www.yachigusaryu.com/blog/pics/tare_picture/image018.jpg

Samurai's use swords, not horns. Samurai's are bipedal. Sea Otters are also quadrapedal (at least i think they are) but Mijumaru isn't and neither is his evo. It wouldn't make sense for a Samurai to become a non samurai through an evolution, especially since the whole samurai personality and look is being given early on both in the anime and in the design of Mijumaru and its first evo.

Mijumaru's evo shown in the beta art also has a hair spike in the back, which could later turn into something resembling a helmet.

Another thing is Mijumaru's design is Japanese. Unicorns aren't japanese but Samurai's are.

Basically the starter evo shown on 2ch/4ch is wrong.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaori (Post 6141464)


Until a main source website like Serebii or Pokébeach has this put up, then I'll have some concerns. However right now it seems that they don't have the detail that some of the pokémon contain and there isn't much information. Like for example the "possible 2nd evolution (or 1st)" for Gigaiasu, doesn't have the rough look Gigaiasu does.



The mini details on Gigaiasu (such as the little light and dark blue spots on its body) isn't on the other one. That one is more smooth and painted like. I'm betting on it being fake since it looks like someone with a computer tablet and a well drawing program could do that. ;x

Pokexperto explains that it is fanart of the real pokemon. He has images and info of all the pokemon but isnt allowed to give you the official sprites or artwork, so he has someone else that is also on the inside draw fanart of the pokemon to show you the general concepts. He did the same thing before Diamond and Pearl and he was spot on and true all the time with that stuff back then, why wouldnt he be now?

Cameo September 9th, 2010 5:04 PM

To be honest I have really high doubts about those pictures which Kaori posted earlier but in the other hand I wouldn't say that they couldn't be true. There's been a lot of rumours going on about the possible cotton pokémon and Gigaiasu's pre-evolution. Also if I don't remember wrong there has been some rumours about a couple of tadpole pokémon (I hate them already even if they were real or fake because POLIWAG's family is the only TRUE tadpole-family! >:|) and also something about the possible Hattooboo (Or what was that wannabe Pidgeotto called again?!) evolution. And yeah, we've also seen a shady picture about that purple cat and also a clip of that seed like pokémon few weeks earlier on a video posted in Pokébeach. Though we did not see it like real. Only from the up when it was running a circle outside the Daycare House.

G3RM September 9th, 2010 5:07 PM

Starter's EVOs FAKE?
 
In a recently released pokemon magazine Sugimori was interviewed and from what he said I assume the starters from Pokexpert to be fake.

Interview:
Ken Sugimori, primary illustrator: I really struggled the most with the Water-type [starter] this time.
Yusuke Ohmura, illustrator: There was talk of, "Wouldn't a sea otter be good for the Water starter?" But it was a really close decision in terms of what this sea otter would become once it evolves. In the end, we decided to have it evolve into something with a completely different appearance.
Sugimori: Of course, we want to make the starters into Pokémon that remain with the player throughout the game, so we hope to make them evolve into creatures that offer a surprise to the player. We always make an effort to throw in some twists and create third-stage evolutions that have an impact.
Ohmura: There was also talk this time about dividing the three starters into Japanese, Western, and Chinese styles of design. Tsutarja was based on Western design, and Pokabu was rooted in a Chinese style, so I was told, "Let's make Mijumaru into a more Japanese-style design." Someone even asked, "Can't you make Mijumaru into a samurai?" [laughs]
Everyone: [laughs]
Sugimori: I worried about it for a while, and I eventually went to go see the sea otters at the aquarium. I happened to catch the sea lion show while I was there, and I became aware of the sea lion's power. "Well, let's try blending a sea otter and a sea lion," I thought. I came up with the idea of making the shell on Mijumaru's stomach into a sword (katana) and using it to fight, and that's how I completed Mijumaru and its evolution."


EDIT: sorry i didn't realize there was already a thread about this

Dillon_68 September 9th, 2010 5:24 PM

I believe that Sugimori's interview confirmed them fake as well, katana anyone? Just because they said sea lion people assumed it was the leaked evo, but they are missing the Japenese/Samurai bit.

Livewire September 9th, 2010 5:26 PM

Sugumori said it himself that Mijumaru's evolution used its shell/blade to attack, so going by that i think the revealed evo's are fake, since the water evo doesnt have a shell to attack with.

Cameo September 9th, 2010 5:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by G3RM (Post 6141697)
In a recently released pokemon magazine Sugimori was interviewed and from what he said I assume the starters from Pokexpert to be fake.

Interview:
Ken Sugimori, primary illustrator: I really struggled the most with the Water-type [starter] this time.
Yusuke Ohmura, illustrator: There was talk of, "Wouldn't a sea otter be good for the Water starter?" But it was a really close decision in terms of what this sea otter would become once it evolves. In the end, we decided to have it evolve into something with a completely different appearance.
Sugimori: Of course, we want to make the starters into Pokémon that remain with the player throughout the game, so we hope to make them evolve into creatures that offer a surprise to the player. We always make an effort to throw in some twists and create third-stage evolutions that have an impact.
Ohmura: There was also talk this time about dividing the three starters into Japanese, Western, and Chinese styles of design. Tsutarja was based on Western design, and Pokabu was rooted in a Chinese style, so I was told, "Let's make Mijumaru into a more Japanese-style design." Someone even asked, "Can't you make Mijumaru into a samurai?" [laughs]
Everyone: [laughs]
Sugimori: I worried about it for a while, and I eventually went to go see the sea otters at the aquarium. I happened to catch the sea lion show while I was there, and I became aware of the sea lion's power. "Well, let's try blending a sea otter and a sea lion," I thought. I came up with the idea of making the shell on Mijumaru's stomach into a sword (katana) and using it to fight, and that's how I completed Mijumaru and its evolution."


EDIT: sorry i didn't realize there was already a thread about this

Well to conclude everything that was discussed in the other thread that was created for this I can only say that the most of us believes those evolutions posted earlier on are fakes while other consider them being true like crazy maniacs and can't even argument their sentence other way than saying: "IT MUST BE TRUE 'CAUSE I SAY SO." Basicly I believe those earlier scans are all fakes and this proves it but in the other hand there is always the slight chance of being wrong and that's why I am in the same time really HAPPY-JOY-JOY for not possibly have to train with those monsters and keep the sad face attached into my forehead because until we see the real pictures anything can basicly happen. And btw that thread made to discuss about that was closed so~

Rankurusu September 9th, 2010 5:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dialga812 (Post 6141365)
i dont know if these pokemon are real or not..but i saw them on that image sliding thing on pocketmonster.net and theres a lot more pokemon designs x]




here some more pictures x]

The cat one might be, because we have a shilloutte with that same body shape. I'm hoping the first three of those are real, because they look awesome!

Planetes. September 9th, 2010 5:39 PM

Okay I'm pretty sure those are the evos. Here's why.

http://pokebeach.com/news/0910/rumored-tsutaaja-evos.gif http://pokebeach.com/news/0910/rumored-pokabu-evos.gif http://pokebeach.com/news/0910/rumored-mijumaru-evos.gif
Well Sugi said the Tsuutaja family would have a western design, it is royal looking and its in the form of a serpent, maybe a reference to feudal europe.


Pokabu's final evo shows signs of Chiniese Design, which Mr. Sugimori also stated. The bright patterns on it are showing the beauty of chinese art and decoration as the chineise were quite decorative. Also the flames on it Pokabu's final evos tail and the designs of the flames in general look like Firecrackers, a staple of many chinese festivals and of course, the pig is a sign in the chinese zodiac.

Finally Mijumaru's. For those of you who said it was a Sea OTTER, its final form is actually a Sea LION, which are quadropedal. Its armor and padding represent that of the samurai and its mustache represents a wise master of combat imho. This may also make a reference to Japan's close affiliation with the sea, as Japan was known for legends such as the kappa, and fishing is a prime industry in japan.
That's my take on these guys and why I think they are indeed REAL.

chanchimi September 9th, 2010 5:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AceDragonite (Post 6141802)
Okay I'm pretty sure those are the evos. Here's why.

http://pokebeach.com/news/0910/rumored-tsutaaja-evos.gif http://pokebeach.com/news/0910/rumored-pokabu-evos.gif http://pokebeach.com/news/0910/rumored-mijumaru-evos.gif
Well Sugi said the Tsuutaja family would have a western design, it is royal looking and its in the form of a serpent, maybe a reference to feudal europe.


Pokabu's final evo shows signs of Chiniese Design, which Mr. Sugimori also stated. The bright patterns on it are showing the beauty of chinese art and decoration as the chineise were quite decorative. Also the flames on it Pokabu's final evos tail and the designs of the flames in general look like Firecrackers, a staple of many chinese festivals and of course, the pig is a sign in the chinese zodiac.

Finally Mijumaru's. For those of you who said it was a Sea OTTER, its final form is actually a Sea LION, which are quadropedal. Its armor and padding represent that of the samurai and its mustache represents a wise master of combat imho. This may also make a reference to Japan's close affiliation with the sea, as Japan was known for legends such as the kappa, and fishing is a prime industry in japan.
That's my take on these guys and why I think they are indeed REAL.

I agree with all you said. I also think that these are the real evolutions. His interview doesn't contradict these, at least, it doesn't seem that way.

Mijumaru's final evolution has that huge conch on it's head, which is what I think it uses as it's "Shell blade". Either it flails it's head to attack with it or something like that, or takes it off and uses it like a sword/katana/beat-stick.

He also said the 3rd evolutions were meant to be surprising, and I think many people were surprised with the way they look! xD

Rankurusu September 9th, 2010 5:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boarbeque (Post 6141600)
The starter evos are fake. Its been proven with that very interview.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katana
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samurai

In the beta art we got like 2 or so months ago we first saw Mijumaru's evolution, along with Tsutaja's (and koromori and kibago blah blah blah).

Upon closer inspection of Mijumaru's evo he had a samurai kusazari/haidate around his waist with one shell on each side, which basically symbolized having two "sheathed" katanas:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katana
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samurai

In the beta art we got like 2 or so months ago we first saw Mijumaru's evolution, along with Tsutaja's (and koromori and kibago blah blah blah).

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:56S_5FoUZ4tk3M:http://www.nintendoeverything.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/art.png&t=1

Upon closer inspection of Mijumaru's evo he had a samurai kusazari/haidate around his waist with one shell on each side, which basically symbolized having two "sheathed" katanas:

http://www.yachigusaryu.com/blog/pics/tare_picture/image018.jpg

Samurai's use swords, not horns. Samurai's are bipedal. Sea Otters are also quadrapedal (at least i think they are) but Mijumaru isn't and neither is his evo. It wouldn't make sense for a Samurai to become a non samurai through an evolution, especially since the whole samurai personality and look is being given early on both in the anime and in the design of Mijumaru and its first evo.

Mijumaru's evo shown in the beta art also has a hair spike in the back, which could later turn into something resembling a helmet.

Another thing is Mijumaru's design is Japanese. Unicorns aren't japanese but Samurai's are.

Basically the starter evo shown on 2ch/4ch is wrong.



Pokexperto explains that it is fanart of the real pokemon. He has images and info of all the pokemon but isnt allowed to give you the official sprites or artwork, so he has someone else that is also on the inside draw fanart of the pokemon to show you the general concepts. He did the same thing before Diamond and Pearl and he was spot on and true all the time with that stuff back then, why wouldnt he be now?

That would explain why the pokemon don't look legit. I'm praying that the first three are real, because they look awesome tom me (Being a grass type fan)

The Jewel of Life September 9th, 2010 5:54 PM

I've noticed a couple posts of people saying that the mijumaru evolution doesn't have a shell/sword of any kind. Excuse me, did I just imagine the large, sword-shaped conch on it's head? Doubt it.

Also, sea otters are bipedal but can stand on their hind legs.

Sea lions on the other hand have no hind legs, but since Miju's evo did then it may be able to stand on it's hind legs like an otter. The plates on it's arms and legs could represent the sheathed swords, as mentioned earlier.

And on the issue of the thing on its head being a horn rather than a sword, it is confirmed that Mijumaru's shell is removable, so the one on its evolution's head will be too. I have no doubt in my mind that these are real.

Xander Olivieri September 9th, 2010 5:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AceDragonite (Post 6141802)
Okay I'm pretty sure those are the evos. Here's why.

http://pokebeach.com/news/0910/rumored-tsutaaja-evos.gif http://pokebeach.com/news/0910/rumored-pokabu-evos.gif http://pokebeach.com/news/0910/rumored-mijumaru-evos.gif
Well Sugi said the Tsuutaja family would have a western design, it is royal looking and its in the form of a serpent, maybe a reference to feudal europe.


Pokabu's final evo shows signs of Chiniese Design, which Mr. Sugimori also stated. The bright patterns on it are showing the beauty of chinese art and decoration as the chineise were quite decorative. Also the flames on it Pokabu's final evos tail and the designs of the flames in general look like Firecrackers, a staple of many chinese festivals and of course, the pig is a sign in the chinese zodiac.

Finally Mijumaru's. For those of you who said it was a Sea OTTER, its final form is actually a Sea LION, which are quadropedal. Its armor and padding represent that of the samurai and its mustache represents a wise master of combat imho. This may also make a reference to Japan's close affiliation with the sea, as Japan was known for legends such as the kappa, and fishing is a prime industry in japan.
That's my take on these guys and why I think they are indeed REAL.

Want to add that the Water Starter does look as if it has a shell on its stomach where Ken said the shell holding the sword would be.

Ken also said that the final forms wouldn't look like the beginning forms.

ManhattanTheStarr September 9th, 2010 6:14 PM

My God, it's like every forum I go to is discussing this. XD
But honestly, this interview doesn't confirm the starters. We just have to wait until B/W is released. =/

G3RM September 9th, 2010 6:49 PM

Came off Poke Peer look under shijika (i think?):


rocky505 September 9th, 2010 6:51 PM

^My god put that in a spoiler >_<

ManhattanTheStarr September 9th, 2010 6:52 PM

Yep, a new Pokemon. Saw this at PokeBeach. Maybe its just me, but it looks like it could be Yanappu's evolution or something. <333 That art is so amazing, though. Seeing Musharna on two legs just made me like it.

G3RM September 9th, 2010 6:55 PM

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Originally Posted by rocky505 (Post 6141993)
^My god put that in a spoiler >_<

Sorry didn't think about that

Shinjiro September 9th, 2010 6:59 PM

Kinda make sense to me. The picture in that spoiler. But I still wondering if those Starters Evolutions are real. I mean look at them! Gosh! Kinda messed up to me.

G3RM September 9th, 2010 7:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ManhattanTheStarr (Post 6141995)
Yep, a new Pokemon. Saw this at PokeBeach. Maybe its just me, but it looks like it could be Yanappu's evolution or something. <333 That art is so amazing, though. Seeing Musharna on two legs just made me like it.

I was thinking shijika's evo, and so we're some others, considering it looked like it was on the same paper as shijika,

Ho-Oh September 9th, 2010 7:42 PM

Well, considering the new Pokemon actually is a new Pokemon and not unconfirmed, you could just make a Pokemon Pia thread to speculate on that and discuss other things in the magazine. Just my opinion, though.

chanchimi September 9th, 2010 7:43 PM

That thing under Shijika.... It kind of looks like the tail of Tsutaja's final evo! But it probably isn't, ha ha. xD

Devil Flamingo September 9th, 2010 7:58 PM

This interview doesn't confirm anything. XD Are you people serious? All the man has said is that Wotter's final evo looks very different from the first, plus the other bits of info here and there. It doesn't make the current leaked designs official or real, just likelier to be the real deal. But for all we know, they look different from these leaked ones, not necessarily totally different from them, but not necessarily exactly like them. Seriously, "a sea otter lion samurai" is a very vague statement; just ask everyone to picture such a thing and I can guarantee that everyone will picture something different.

I'm not believing anything until it's confirmed.

EDIT:

also omgwtfbbq new pokemon? o.o

Shinjiro September 9th, 2010 8:19 PM

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Originally Posted by G3RM (Post 6142117)
I was thinking shijika's evo, and so we're some others, considering it looked like it was on the same paper as shijika,

Yeah! Its kinda make sense if that is Shijinka's evolution to me. The Poke`Beach said so. But I wonder what it will look like. Well, We'll just have to wait next week. Or perhaps, A few days later which when BW finally released. I guess I'll wait until the USA version, I'm not taking pre-order the Japanese...

Ho-Oh September 9th, 2010 8:21 PM

Bring that discussion over to the Pokemon Pia thread. :)

Keep this for starter evos and other unconfirmed or fake Pokemon~

Masterge77 September 10th, 2010 3:24 AM

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Originally Posted by AceDragonite (Post 6140795)
-Chillarmy is prob a gimmick or noveltymon

Comments are in bold, and thanks for posting this!

Why did you take out Mamepato and replace it with Psychic elephant!?

Boarbeque September 10th, 2010 4:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AceDragonite (Post 6141802)
Okay I'm pretty sure those are the evos. Here's why.

http://pokebeach.com/news/0910/rumored-tsutaaja-evos.gif http://pokebeach.com/news/0910/rumored-pokabu-evos.gif http://pokebeach.com/news/0910/rumored-mijumaru-evos.gif
Well Sugi said the Tsuutaja family would have a western design, it is royal looking and its in the form of a serpent, maybe a reference to feudal europe.


Pokabu's final evo shows signs of Chiniese Design, which Mr. Sugimori also stated. The bright patterns on it are showing the beauty of chinese art and decoration as the chineise were quite decorative. Also the flames on it Pokabu's final evos tail and the designs of the flames in general look like Firecrackers, a staple of many chinese festivals and of course, the pig is a sign in the chinese zodiac.

Finally Mijumaru's. For those of you who said it was a Sea OTTER, its final form is actually a Sea LION, which are quadropedal. Its armor and padding represent that of the samurai and its mustache represents a wise master of combat imho. This may also make a reference to Japan's close affiliation with the sea, as Japan was known for legends such as the kappa, and fishing is a prime industry in japan.
That's my take on these guys and why I think they are indeed REAL.

Sea Otters are quadrapedal (at least i think they are) but Mijumaru isn't. He can still have Sea Lion aspects without losing all of his samurai references.

LouBeatYou September 10th, 2010 3:06 PM

Oh no
 
Oh please Game Freak! Let these evos be fake. Even if Sugo said they were real, does that confirm that really are real? Cause I hate the. Very, very much.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 10th, 2010 3:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Boarbeque (Post 6142579)
Sea Otters are quadrapedal (at least i think they are) but Mijumaru isn't. He can still have Sea Lion aspects without losing all of his samurai references.

That's what I think, just because it's "fan art" of the "real thing" is a Sea lion it still has samurai armor in it's legs...

Ho-Oh September 10th, 2010 3:14 PM

@LouBeatYou; He didn't actually say they were real. Technically, even after what he said, they still aren't confirmed. Right now I'm hoping PokeExperto is wrong on something. D;

ManhattanTheStarr September 10th, 2010 3:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Forever (Post 6143914)
@LouBeatYou; He didn't actually say they were real. Technically, even after what he said, they still aren't confirmed. Right now I'm hoping PokeExperto is wrong on something. D;

I'm on the same boat as you... u_u
Have you seen the Pokemon he's shown? Both PokeBeach and Serebii seem to be accepting everything he's saying. I'm still skeptical because of Ken saying that he wanted to base Mijumaru off of a samurai. Wouldn't that mean Mijumaru's final evolution would be Water/Fighting? But PxP says Mijumaru will be pure water. He even said Pokabu will be Fire/Fighting. A THIRD FIRE AND FIGHTING-TYPE STARTER IN A ROW? Seems VERY unlikely. >.>

LouBeatYou September 10th, 2010 3:23 PM

[QUOTE-ManhattanTheStarr]I'm on the same boat as you... u_u
Have you seen the Pokemon he's shown? Both PokeBeach and Serebii seem to be accepting everything he's saying. I'm still skeptical because of Ken saying that he wanted to base Mijumaru off of a samurai. Wouldn't that mean Mijumaru's final evolution would be Water/Fighting? But PxP says Mijumaru will be pure water. He even said Pokabu will be Fire/Fighting. A THIRD FIRE AND FIGHTING-TYPE STARTER IN A ROW? Seems VERY unlikely. >.>[QUOTE]



Agree times a million. I can;t except that Mijimaru's final evo is quadrapedal. I hate that. I can;t even think of it being a part fighting type while it's quadrapedal! Pokabu's final evo I don't mind, reminds of a sumo wrestler tho. Tsutaja's final evo... Why? Tsutaja had so much potential. I guess im just stuck on bipedals i guess :P

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 10th, 2010 3:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ManhattanTheStarr (Post 6143924)
I'm on the same boat as you... u_u
Have you seen the Pokemon he's shown? Both PokeBeach and Serebii seem to be accepting everything he's saying. I'm still skeptical because of Ken saying that he wanted to base Mijumaru off of a samurai. Wouldn't that mean Mijumaru's final evolution would be Water/Fighting? But PxP says Mijumaru will be pure water. He even said Pokabu will be Fire/Fighting. A THIRD FIRE AND FIGHTING-TYPE STARTER IN A ROW? Seems VERY unlikely. >.>

Well we did have three rock gyms though only two were in a row...so why not three fire/Fighting...though I was hoping it wouldn't be Fire/Fighting but I don't hate nor really love them...

Shinjiro September 10th, 2010 3:40 PM

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Originally Posted by LouBeatYou (Post 6143887)
Oh please Game Freak! Let these evos be fake. Even if Sugo said they were real, does that confirm that really are real? Cause I hate the. Very, very much.

When they are Fake, They are fake. But when they are real, They are real. Its simple. What can we do anyway? But I do agree too. I don't like them.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Forever[FONT=Franklin Gothic Medium
;6143914] He didn't actually say they were real. Technically, even after what he said, they still aren't confirmed. Right now I'm hoping PokeExperto is wrong on something. D;[/FONT]

Yeah, I do agree too. Lets just see what will happen. True or false, I just have to take it...

Quote:

Originally Posted by LouBeatYou (Post 6143933)
Agree times a million. I can;t except that Mijimaru's final evo is quadrapedal. I hate that. I can;t even think of it being a part fighting type while it's quadrapedal! Pokabu's final evo I don't mind, reminds of a sumo wrestler tho. Tsutaja's final evo... Why? Tsutaja had so much potential. I guess im just stuck on bipedals i guess :P

Yeah, I do agree too. I was actually thinking Mijumaru will turned out to be the coolest (Because I love it). Even I'm losing interest on those starters now...

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 10th, 2010 4:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Dialga812 (Post 6141365)
i dont know if these pokemon are real or not..but i saw them on that image sliding thing on pocketmonster.net and theres a lot more pokemon designs x]


here some more pictures x]

um I saw those pokemon in Pokebeach today so they are true...all of them except the rock but that is due to the fact that it doesn't show up >_>

Shinjiro September 10th, 2010 7:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 6144224)

um I saw those pokemon in Pokebeach today so they are true...all of them except the rock but that is due to the fact that it doesn't show up >_>

I'm currently looking at them right now too. Even if they are a fan art, They're pretty close to their real-looking to me.

The Red Chain September 10th, 2010 7:57 PM

Pokejungle updated for potentially leaked Coro Coro scans :



Looks like those starters may be real afterall.... I hope the final evos are fake at LEAST. D:

Remember, these are not confirmed, hence why I decided to post them here.
On another note, that water monkey is cute as omgggg.. <3333


PsychoJigglypuff September 10th, 2010 8:01 PM

Well they seem a lot more likeable with better artwork! xD

Although Tsutaja's evo will always look weird to me.


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