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Can every one please stop flaming me and calling me a shameless liar ;_;
I put the fact that he was gay in a spoiler cause it was off topic! ;_;, why are you all so mean! Any ways I'm starting to belive these final starter evos are real, and I'm not sure about the DSi screenshots...were they from B/W tour or something? Or was it rom some guy at GF. |
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Another thing, Pokemon Info Games has posted nothing but complete fakes thus far. They are not to be trusted. |
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As long as Magboartar is not fire/fighting I will be fine with the starters.
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anyways i think its possple for some of those aspects in the 3rd legend. like it being on four legs, and its tail. its head looks like a mix of the other to. |
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I dont see why everyone hates Tsutarja's final, it looks pretty awesome IMO. Grass/Dragon, Grass/Psychic or Grass/Poison?? |
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pure grass water/fighting fire/dark or ground? for the starter's evos |
Definatly not grass/dragon as it would break the triangle. Grass/poison is the best bet.
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@:Countryemo: If the Pokeexperto Miji evo was real, How would it be fighting if it was bipedal? I hope its water dark. Cause then it would be like a Water version of Zoroark. Awesome :D |
If there is another Grass/Poison or Fire/Fighting starter this time around, I will hurt everyone who thought that was a good idea.
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We have only had grass/poison one time I see nothing wrong with that.
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i dont realy want a fire fieght end evo AGAIN it would be the third its getting boring -,- grass dragon sounds cool and whats about water ice ? ^^ |
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Now Pokabu and its evolutions have the advantage of being a fighting type, especially with its design. It'll be a disappointment to me though, since as like many of the above posters has said, we've been getting a lot of the fire/fighting types. We have a slight chance of getting our wish for Mijumaru's evolutions becoming part fighting type, but hopefully these are fake and the designs are different and more reasonable. I guess there is not much to say since we just have 10 more days left. If things are going as it is, we might not get anymore information about the starter evolutions until we see for ourselves. In a way this would make us more hungry and eager to see if its real or not by playing the games ourselves. However if we got confirmation that they are fake before the games are released, I'd hope not to see the official ones and wait the couple of days left. This way we'll be able to still have some excitement and curiosity in us. |
I've read back over what all of you said overnight and I just want to mention a few things.
Respect eachothers opinions. Don't flame eachother. Don't insult Pokemon news sites. Really, it's not that hard to do. On a lighter note, if the Tsutaaja evo is real, it won't be dragon, but probably just grass. Sad. :( |
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The typing combination also gives it 4x weakness to ice. I still don't think they will ever make a starter a cool type. What I think would be cool, if they made the Grass starter Grass/Fire, the Fire one Fire/Water, and the water one Water/Grass. NEUTRAL STARTERS YAY :D |
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i honestly think we should speculate on the beginners, since the games are a week away, if we **** here argue pointlessly on obviously fake pictures (IMO) then that takes the fun out of it,& we will all be disappointed :( on the 3rd legendary i saw up above,i know its fake, but i like the heads design :) oh& grass/dragon isnt a bad idea, whoever called urself stupid for thinkin that, dont, the person whos stupid is the person who insulted you for thinkin that your stupid for your opinion. i think grass/dragon would be a great combo, after all it gets rid of fire, but makes ice x4, & ice pokemon are more common than fire types (well in gen4 they are :P) |
Tsutaja's final being Grass/Dragon wouldn't break the cycle. There were points already put up. Empoleon Water/Steel loses its Grass Weakness so the cycle for that group broke.
I would love to have an official Dragon for a starter and not just a breed group dragon like Charizard. If Tsutaja's Evo was part Dragon it would at least make it above "useless as dirt" rating for me. Personal Stand point. I want all the Evolutions to be pure type. Tsutaja's whole line: Pure Grass Pokabu's whole line: Pure Fire Mijumaru's whole line: Pure Water I also see Tsutaja's final evo looking like a Snake at the end. I mean Tsutaja is a "snake" Pokemon. I saw someone post about ancient snakes having arms and legs and then loosing them through evolution so I can see this happening with Tsutaja. For Pokabu...I can see either the Fire Boar quadraped idea or bipedial wrestler pig idea. For Mijumaru. I'm hoping it comes something close to the art we got cause I absolutely love that one. I was already starting with Mijumaru, but that Evolution made me want to evolve it a whole lot faster. |
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for the secondary types: Fighting > Steel < Ground. Still Cycle is broken. You could counter Empoleon learns Flying attacks, but the cycle for type advantage was still lost. Grass/Dragon wouldn't break the cycle. |
Yes it would. one of the other two would have to be /dragon as well or /ice for it to work.
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Sinnoh had a weird final starter base. Empoleon was the odd one out, because Torterra could easily defeat it with Earthquake, and Infernape could too with Close Combat. :( Poor Empoleon. Maybe there isn't a cycle? Maybe that's just a fan-created theory based on what we have observed in the past? So, it's possible that Tsutaja's final assuming it's real could be part Dragon. |
As much as I hate to say it, Leafsnake is not a Grass/Dragon. GF is much too conservative for something as avant-garde as a starter being part Dragon, so as far as I'm concerned, it's not gonna happen.
I'm also hoping it is not pure Grass or Grass/Poison, but it likely is, which means I will probably ditch it in favour of another Grass type, because I have no use or need for a Sceptile/Roserade wannabe, especially the latter. As far as I'm concerned Roserade outclasses every single Grass/Poison Pokemon in existence and creating more Grass/Poison Pokemon is both idiotic and unnecessary. If you don't like Roserade, just use Venusaur. The other two are fairly useless in comparison (although I still adore Vileplume; I just don't use it). As for the other two, I really couldn't care less. XD Another Fire/Fighting will make no difference to me; as far as I'm concerned Blaziken is the only Fire/Fighting Pokemon that matters. And, while it'd be cool if Ottarmor was part Fighting (or Ice), I won't be using it so idrc. ;P Finally, I don't mean to be rude to anyone, but this whole "cycle" thing that people are talking about is nonense as far as I'm concerned. There's no such thing. |
i agree that its unlikely& that gamefreak arent smart enough to make a part dragon beginner, but i still hope for a grass/dragon & a fire/dragon (thats not that ****tard reshiram) whether its a beginner or not :)
as long as smugleaf isnt part poison, im happy, every snake has been part poison, & i thing poison is the worse type for seviper, it shouldve been dark, or fire IMO it just seems to fit it better. i honestly dont care about mijumaru, im not big on water beginners, piplup is my fav... im not much into the fire piggy, since my wife dubbed it "Bacon!!" dont get me wrong their both cute, but tsutarja is my beginner for gen5 gen1- charmander gen2-cyndaquil gen3-torchic&treecko gen4-piplup gen5-tsutarja i guess i always use the reptile or bird :P i use Cyndaquil cuz its the best fire pookemon IMO i hope this region is more diverse in fire, ice, ghost, &dragon types since those are my fav types :) |
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I hope that the 5th gen starter lines would go something like this:
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This is said to be the final Kurukiru evolution (which is also supposed to be Bug/GrasS) or a final Bug/Poison Pokemon. How can they not know which? D: http://pokejungle.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/experto_sil4.png Here is a list of rumors since the rumors thread was closed: Spoiler:
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...looks interesting. I can sort of visualise it as something like Pinsir and Weedle.
As for the rumours, they'll fit into the relevant threads, but this thread isn't for rumours. It's only for 5th Gen Unconfirmed/Fake Pokemon. |
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I hope that those evos are fake, since Pokabu, who was the best starter, turned out to be ugly and fighting (once again!). I was hoping for some four-legged boar, an awesome one at that. I didn't like Mijumaru very much, but the first evo is cool (if it's white, like Miju), but no, they had to ruin it in the second evo with that horrible head and body. I saw some images on deviantArt, and I saw some really cool evos for him, making me wish that GF would see them and make them real! Not those ugly ones that came out and are hopefully fake. As for Tsutaja's ones, they could be better, but I'm fine with them... Also, on a different (and a bit off-topic) note, is it just me, or does Chillarmy look like a prevolution of Eevee (I'm saying it looks like, and not "it must be!", don't get confused)? xD |
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but i only like tsuutaja (or whatever the hell its name was)'s evo, i hated pokabu's, not enjoying what looks like the 3rd fire/fighting starter. |
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Hm... I don't think the starters evos are that bad.
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Hmm... Well the silhouette doesn't look like it would be an evolution of Kurukiru. But then again, if it's only a silhouette you can't really tell.
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Interesting read... Not confirmed, in a sense, but pretty damn likely at this point.
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Not t'bother you man, but the whole point of having your starter be weak to your rival's starter is to encourage you to catch different types of Pokemon. Grass Psychic with a variety of Poison moves would be cool. And Fire Ground really suites the Boarbeque final. |
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as for the catepillar one's final evo, wonder if it's true. doesn't look a thing like him but apparently that's a theme in this generation... lol |
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Grass/Psychic, Fire/Dark, and Water/Fighting?
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Here is the Isshu Pokedex so far, as Pokejungle and Pokexperto have said:
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I'm not sure am I the only one here who has thougth this a little longer but there is no way there's going to be a starter with dragon as the secondary type. Apologize those who think so but there's not any logic behind thinking that way. It is already pretty clear that Mijumaru's evolutions will be somewhat fighting spirited (COME ON PEOPLE! Shell Blade is so obvious that you can't unnotice the hint in it!) so there is really HIGH chance they'll have fighting as their secondary type in the end. That's why I believe (after observing more of Pokabu's coloring etc.) that Pokabu will have as it's secondary type dark and Tsutarja will receive psychic. That way THE CYCLE (Believe me, there truly is a thing called the cycle!) that has been since the very first generation won't be twisted or broken.
Pokabu and it's evolutions: Fire/Dark Mijumaru and it's evolutions: Water/Fighting Tsutarja and it's evolutions: Grass/Psychic Next you might wonder why Tsutarja and it's evolutions couldn't be grass and dragon typed, right? Well, there is a really good reason why I don't think that will ever going to happen. First of all there is the thing that it would completely make dragons look rather normal and not so cool at all if you'd get one in the very beginning of the game. Or not in the beginning but eventually without putting any effort in it. So far dragon pokémon have been these mystical creatures such as guardians of the atmosphere, rulers of the desert, masters of time/space/afterlife and such stuff so logicly Tsutarja would be somewhat über. Also, if Tsutarja-family would somehow turn out to be Grass/Dragon that would make Pokabu to evolve into somekind of Fire/Ice creature because Mijumaru-family most likely be Water/Fighting. That way the cycle wouldn't brake but in the end it would be twisted and also it sounds really idiotic if fire gets fused with ice. |
I guess that the starter evolutions are confirmed real now T_T
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I personally still doubt those pictures about the starter's evolutions no matter what. XD I refuse to think that Sugimori and Ohmura would create a four legged sealionottercombination of that kind which even looks like someone would have just thrown up or something. And I really can't see how that weirdo could use the huge shell on it's head as if it was like a katana or something. O__O Just really sick design if truly really truly confirmed to be true.
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As long as Miju3 is both quad and bipedal like swampert and typhlosion I'll be fine.
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i dont know if these pokemon are real or not..but i saw them on that image sliding thing on pocketmonster.net and theres a lot more pokemon designs x] here some more pictures x] |
Well I started to like Miju's evo when Ken Sugimori explained it. I like Pokabu's evos and Pokabu is my favorite starter, so I'm definetly having a hard tme picking.
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The mini details on Gigaiasu (such as the little light and dark blue spots on its body) isn't on the other one. That one is more smooth and painted like. I'm betting on it being fake since it looks like someone with a computer tablet and a well drawing program could do that. ;x |
If I remember reading right, they're not exactly real. They're supposedly interpretations of rumors going around. It's all on Pokejungle.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katana http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samurai In the beta art we got like 2 or so months ago we first saw Mijumaru's evolution, along with Tsutaja's (and koromori and kibago blah blah blah). Upon closer inspection of Mijumaru's evo he had a samurai kusazari/haidate around his waist with one shell on each side, which basically symbolized having two "sheathed" katanas: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katana http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samurai In the beta art we got like 2 or so months ago we first saw Mijumaru's evolution, along with Tsutaja's (and koromori and kibago blah blah blah). http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:56S_5FoUZ4tk3M:http://www.nintendoeverything.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/art.png&t=1 Upon closer inspection of Mijumaru's evo he had a samurai kusazari/haidate around his waist with one shell on each side, which basically symbolized having two "sheathed" katanas: http://www.yachigusaryu.com/blog/pics/tare_picture/image018.jpg Samurai's use swords, not horns. Samurai's are bipedal. Sea Otters are also quadrapedal (at least i think they are) but Mijumaru isn't and neither is his evo. It wouldn't make sense for a Samurai to become a non samurai through an evolution, especially since the whole samurai personality and look is being given early on both in the anime and in the design of Mijumaru and its first evo. Mijumaru's evo shown in the beta art also has a hair spike in the back, which could later turn into something resembling a helmet. Another thing is Mijumaru's design is Japanese. Unicorns aren't japanese but Samurai's are. Basically the starter evo shown on 2ch/4ch is wrong. Quote:
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To be honest I have really high doubts about those pictures which Kaori posted earlier but in the other hand I wouldn't say that they couldn't be true. There's been a lot of rumours going on about the possible cotton pokémon and Gigaiasu's pre-evolution. Also if I don't remember wrong there has been some rumours about a couple of tadpole pokémon (I hate them already even if they were real or fake because POLIWAG's family is the only TRUE tadpole-family! >:|) and also something about the possible Hattooboo (Or what was that wannabe Pidgeotto called again?!) evolution. And yeah, we've also seen a shady picture about that purple cat and also a clip of that seed like pokémon few weeks earlier on a video posted in Pokébeach. Though we did not see it like real. Only from the up when it was running a circle outside the Daycare House.
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Starter's EVOs FAKE?
In a recently released pokemon magazine Sugimori was interviewed and from what he said I assume the starters from Pokexpert to be fake.
Interview: Ken Sugimori, primary illustrator: I really struggled the most with the Water-type [starter] this time. Yusuke Ohmura, illustrator: There was talk of, "Wouldn't a sea otter be good for the Water starter?" But it was a really close decision in terms of what this sea otter would become once it evolves. In the end, we decided to have it evolve into something with a completely different appearance. Sugimori: Of course, we want to make the starters into Pokémon that remain with the player throughout the game, so we hope to make them evolve into creatures that offer a surprise to the player. We always make an effort to throw in some twists and create third-stage evolutions that have an impact. Ohmura: There was also talk this time about dividing the three starters into Japanese, Western, and Chinese styles of design. Tsutarja was based on Western design, and Pokabu was rooted in a Chinese style, so I was told, "Let's make Mijumaru into a more Japanese-style design." Someone even asked, "Can't you make Mijumaru into a samurai?" [laughs] Everyone: [laughs] Sugimori: I worried about it for a while, and I eventually went to go see the sea otters at the aquarium. I happened to catch the sea lion show while I was there, and I became aware of the sea lion's power. "Well, let's try blending a sea otter and a sea lion," I thought. I came up with the idea of making the shell on Mijumaru's stomach into a sword (katana) and using it to fight, and that's how I completed Mijumaru and its evolution." EDIT: sorry i didn't realize there was already a thread about this |
I believe that Sugimori's interview confirmed them fake as well, katana anyone? Just because they said sea lion people assumed it was the leaked evo, but they are missing the Japenese/Samurai bit.
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Sugumori said it himself that Mijumaru's evolution used its shell/blade to attack, so going by that i think the revealed evo's are fake, since the water evo doesnt have a shell to attack with.
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Okay I'm pretty sure those are the evos. Here's why.
http://pokebeach.com/news/0910/rumored-tsutaaja-evos.gif http://pokebeach.com/news/0910/rumored-pokabu-evos.gif http://pokebeach.com/news/0910/rumored-mijumaru-evos.gif Well Sugi said the Tsuutaja family would have a western design, it is royal looking and its in the form of a serpent, maybe a reference to feudal europe. Pokabu's final evo shows signs of Chiniese Design, which Mr. Sugimori also stated. The bright patterns on it are showing the beauty of chinese art and decoration as the chineise were quite decorative. Also the flames on it Pokabu's final evos tail and the designs of the flames in general look like Firecrackers, a staple of many chinese festivals and of course, the pig is a sign in the chinese zodiac. Finally Mijumaru's. For those of you who said it was a Sea OTTER, its final form is actually a Sea LION, which are quadropedal. Its armor and padding represent that of the samurai and its mustache represents a wise master of combat imho. This may also make a reference to Japan's close affiliation with the sea, as Japan was known for legends such as the kappa, and fishing is a prime industry in japan. That's my take on these guys and why I think they are indeed REAL. |
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Mijumaru's final evolution has that huge conch on it's head, which is what I think it uses as it's "Shell blade". Either it flails it's head to attack with it or something like that, or takes it off and uses it like a sword/katana/beat-stick. He also said the 3rd evolutions were meant to be surprising, and I think many people were surprised with the way they look! xD |
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I've noticed a couple posts of people saying that the mijumaru evolution doesn't have a shell/sword of any kind. Excuse me, did I just imagine the large, sword-shaped conch on it's head? Doubt it.
Also, sea otters are bipedal but can stand on their hind legs. Sea lions on the other hand have no hind legs, but since Miju's evo did then it may be able to stand on it's hind legs like an otter. The plates on it's arms and legs could represent the sheathed swords, as mentioned earlier. And on the issue of the thing on its head being a horn rather than a sword, it is confirmed that Mijumaru's shell is removable, so the one on its evolution's head will be too. I have no doubt in my mind that these are real. |
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My God, it's like every forum I go to is discussing this. XD
But honestly, this interview doesn't confirm the starters. We just have to wait until B/W is released. =/ |
Came off Poke Peer look under shijika (i think?):
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Yep, a new Pokemon. Saw this at PokeBeach. Maybe its just me, but it looks like it could be Yanappu's evolution or something. <333 That art is so amazing, though. Seeing Musharna on two legs just made me like it.
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Kinda make sense to me. The picture in that spoiler. But I still wondering if those Starters Evolutions are real. I mean look at them! Gosh! Kinda messed up to me.
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Well, considering the new Pokemon actually is a new Pokemon and not unconfirmed, you could just make a Pokemon Pia thread to speculate on that and discuss other things in the magazine. Just my opinion, though.
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That thing under Shijika.... It kind of looks like the tail of Tsutaja's final evo! But it probably isn't, ha ha. xD
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This interview doesn't confirm anything. XD Are you people serious? All the man has said is that Wotter's final evo looks very different from the first, plus the other bits of info here and there. It doesn't make the current leaked designs official or real, just likelier to be the real deal. But for all we know, they look different from these leaked ones, not necessarily totally different from them, but not necessarily exactly like them. Seriously, "a sea otter lion samurai" is a very vague statement; just ask everyone to picture such a thing and I can guarantee that everyone will picture something different.
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Bring that discussion over to the Pokemon Pia thread. :)
Keep this for starter evos and other unconfirmed or fake Pokemon~ |
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Oh please Game Freak! Let these evos be fake. Even if Sugo said they were real, does that confirm that really are real? Cause I hate the. Very, very much.
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@LouBeatYou; He didn't actually say they were real. Technically, even after what he said, they still aren't confirmed. Right now I'm hoping PokeExperto is wrong on something. D;
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Have you seen the Pokemon he's shown? Both PokeBeach and Serebii seem to be accepting everything he's saying. I'm still skeptical because of Ken saying that he wanted to base Mijumaru off of a samurai. Wouldn't that mean Mijumaru's final evolution would be Water/Fighting? But PxP says Mijumaru will be pure water. He even said Pokabu will be Fire/Fighting. A THIRD FIRE AND FIGHTING-TYPE STARTER IN A ROW? Seems VERY unlikely. >.> |
[QUOTE-ManhattanTheStarr]I'm on the same boat as you... u_u
Have you seen the Pokemon he's shown? Both PokeBeach and Serebii seem to be accepting everything he's saying. I'm still skeptical because of Ken saying that he wanted to base Mijumaru off of a samurai. Wouldn't that mean Mijumaru's final evolution would be Water/Fighting? But PxP says Mijumaru will be pure water. He even said Pokabu will be Fire/Fighting. A THIRD FIRE AND FIGHTING-TYPE STARTER IN A ROW? Seems VERY unlikely. >.>[QUOTE] Agree times a million. I can;t except that Mijimaru's final evo is quadrapedal. I hate that. I can;t even think of it being a part fighting type while it's quadrapedal! Pokabu's final evo I don't mind, reminds of a sumo wrestler tho. Tsutaja's final evo... Why? Tsutaja had so much potential. I guess im just stuck on bipedals i guess :P |
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Well they seem a lot more likeable with better artwork! xD
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