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Dillon_68 September 5th, 2010 9:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Silver25 (Post 6131162)
But that Torchic picture was beta art for it. Not some fan-made piece. So really if that person posted that saying they created that Torchic as well, then it's not reliable.

He didn't say he created the Torchic one, he was saying that it was what his inspiration for the way he presented his pics.

Kanto_Johto September 5th, 2010 9:33 AM

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Originally Posted by #Emochu (Post 6131148)
So are you saying that they're not fake? I think its enough evidence, that guy from 2ch made them.

I'm not trying to start an arguement but do you want these to be real?

I wont mind if they're real. Like I said, I actually quite like them, but I still think Ken could have done better.

I'm saying there isn't enough evidence to prove they're fake. You people are just getting desperate now.

Silver25 September 5th, 2010 9:45 AM

Ah, alright. Guess I interpreted that differently.

Haza September 5th, 2010 9:52 AM

Ugh, Serebii needs to dig deeper with his sources.I don't trust him after he and the rest of the Pokemon blogs were fooled last month, but he says his "source" confirmed they were real. Why couldnt his source give us a little more than that.

billi1000 September 5th, 2010 10:14 AM

@ Haza, well I agree with you on that, it's strage how many Pokemon blogs actually that this was real, although they did state that there might be a chance its fake.
Anyway, this one "source" seemed to have confirmed it and is claimed to be a trusted source previously by some Pokemon blogs, so I guess this is what got some eyebrows raised.

Kimicatdemon September 5th, 2010 10:18 AM

Yeah, that DS picture going around? Let me show you guys something funny....

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1395149/dsfake.PNG

Who else remembers the chimecho evo? Ehhhh?

Haza September 5th, 2010 10:19 AM

Once I've been burned it takes a while, if ever, to gain my trust back. I personally love these starter evolutions so I'm really anxious for the official reveal of them. If they are fake and I hate the real ones I'm going to hate Serebii and his "source".

#Emochu September 5th, 2010 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Kanto_Johto (Post 6131207)
I wont mind if they're real. Like I said, I actually quite like them, but I still think Ken could have done better.

I'm saying there isn't enough evidence to prove they're fake. You people are just getting desperate now.

That guy claimed he made them, would he really lie?

I'm pretty sure GF wouldn't make a Banna Milotic a fat infernape/rhyperior and a Rapidialga ._.

As for the screen shots of the game on DSi, what if they're just viewing an image?

Kimicatdemon September 5th, 2010 10:44 AM

Alright, never tried this before, but I did one of those .gif overlays...
Let's analyze!

Erroranylsis has proven that the site itself was photoshoped on there:
http://www.errorlevelanalysis.com/permalink/50fa04a/

((I only linked here so that people could read what it is showing. Basically, to sum up nicely, if you save as a .jpeg enough, you'll start to notice a difference in quality areas and where something was saved. Oddly enough, the DS screen isn't, so I am assuming they added the new screen AFTER they filters and curves adjustments. ))

Why would this be so? Because the site on the chimecho is talking about something else, so this makes it a bit more relevant.

Also, the same site... Why photoshop that one?

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1395149/dsfake.gif

-Shadow placement of the doll is EXACTLY THE SAME. This would be really freaking hard to pull off...
-The doll in the second image is really blurry. Also, you can still see some noise residue that has been hidden by trying to up the brightness.
-The angle difference is easily explained by skew and transformation tools in photoshop. If you notice, the computer monitor seems much longer in the new image re guarding pokabu's seemingly evolution opposed to the one with chimechos..

Griin. September 5th, 2010 10:50 AM

Found these on internet:
http://i1014.photobucket.com/albums/af264/XD001_SL/tsuevos.png

PokemonMaster97 September 5th, 2010 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by 雷影 イチロ (Post 6129677)
Been reading 2ch and come up with this:

Pretty much the poster says this information is serious.
There are going to be 4 more eeveelutions:

The first is level up while holding the black belt into a fighting type.
The second is level up while holding soft sand into a ground type.
The third is level up while holding a metal coat into a steel type.
The last is level up while holding dragon scale into a dragon type.

Personally, these sound really fake.
EDIT: I highly doubt this information as it was coming from a thread that was about thinking up eeveelutions, but the poster seemed to think that it was serious.

If these were real, they would of done them in gen 4 as when you gave an eevee a black belt or whatever, it didnt evolve. Just because it is in a different region, doesnt mean in would change the way the eevee evolved. ( If you get what I mean... ^_^)

Zelda September 5th, 2010 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Griin. (Post 6131406)

I'm pretty sure the two evolutions are fake. If you remember this picture:


The second evolution for Tsutaja doesn't even match the one in the scan. The one in the scan has a straighter neck piece and the leaves on its back is more shown than the one above.
As for the last one, the quality is more terrible than the other two. :( I'll say, it's really monstrous and I prefer the one Pokébeach and Serebii has shown more than this one.

dragon0fangz September 5th, 2010 11:17 AM

Theyre real. Its already been proven by so many people claiming to have made the pokemon.



(post not to be taken seriously)

The Red Chain September 5th, 2010 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Griin. (Post 6131406)

.... Is it weird that I think the second evolution looks like a duck? XDD

If you notice, the "third" evolution of Tsutaja has excellent quality on his outlines, which does not resemble the other two in any way. The quality decreased this gen in exchange for full-body motion, while that final sprite still has DPPt quality. The supposed third evolution resembles the other two look wise, but I love how Tsutaaja's eyes magically vanish in the final evolution. :'D


#Emochu September 5th, 2010 11:58 AM

When will we see the real evos? I'm getting scared that these will be real...

Masterge77 September 5th, 2010 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pokewalker (Post 6131066)
however, if they are real, GF did a VERY bad job.
anyways, here's a picture i found at PJ:
http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q419/Joshidreamwalker/StarterFake.jpg


You cannot trust ANYONE with the name "Anonymous", I have encountered MANY people claim that they made a certain existing Pokemon, I've met someone who claims that he created Scott from Emerald, even though Sugimori created Scott, (his name just happens to be Scott, as well as looking like him) he also claimed that he created Lucario, also created by Sugimori, and said that Lucario was Mewtwo's son, and this was THREE MONTHS after Diamond and Pearl were released in the states even! It's pretty obvious that he never played past Maylene, or even went to Iron Island, else that would explain RIOLU, I have no excust that this just HAS to be Scott, I know where Scott lives, and I CAN just walk over there from here and slap him in the face, because he lives only a mile from where I live......

Though I may be wrong, for all we know, this guy could be working for Nintendo in secret and has told us a big fat lie in order to hide their existence.....

Just how many times do I have to link to this: http://pokebeach.com/2010/09/isshu-starter-evolutions-apparently-leaked-blue-yanappu

And the site Pokebeach links to: http://pokexperto.net/index2.php?subaction=showcomments&id=1283350696&archive=&start_from=&ucat=2& Which has pictures of them that are larger and clearer than the ones on Serebii or Pokebeach, they're not just simply just cut and pasted and enlarged from the picture, else they would have clear distortion around them

Not to mention THIS quote from PokeExperto, translated:

Quote:

Originally Posted by PokeExperto
We assure you that these Pokemon are real.

Then, going back to PokeBeach:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pokebeach
Three days ago, the webmaster of the Spanish Pokemon site Pokexperto, Melkor, received word from a "special source" that the evolutions on 2ch are real and thus posted them as such. The website has posted information from this special source before and it has turned out to be true, so I had reason to believe Melkor was telling the truth. In conferring with him today, I was able to see some of the material the source had given him, including a sprite of Tsutaaja's final evolution (which matches the photo) and a sprite of another Pokemon. To test if the source was giving Melkor genuine images and to test if Melkor was telling me the truth, I asked him to describe the appearance of the covered-up Pokemon from the Pokemon Musical screenshot on the official Black and White website; he gave me a very specific description on the spot, and I'll just say one word: eyebrows. If the description he gave me is true, his source and the starters below will be validated. Regardless, you obviously have the choice to believe the legitimacy of these evolutions or not; after all, nothing is totally official until Nintendo reveals them.

In other words, they ARE real, not to mention that the art for the Tsutaja final evolution DOES NOT MATCH the art of Milotic he gave us, I have zoomed in on the art and have matched the shapes exactly, they are not edits, not traces, and not ripoffs, they are the real deal

Finnaly, on the Mijumaru evolution, I found this post on the Pokebeach forums this morning:
Quote:

I've heard that it's based off a large otter. Can't really elaborate on that right now, but I'll do some digging.
I then did some research and discovered that it is NOT a Sea Lion, but a Giant Otter, an animal that lives in South America, you can read about them here on Wikipedia.....

Say whatever you want about them being fake, I believe that they are real, and I will continue to believe them until I see the official evolutions, then we can forget this ever happened.....

#Emochu September 5th, 2010 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Masterge77 (Post 6131601)
You cannot trust ANYONE with the name "Anonymous", I have encountered MANY people claim that they made a certain existing Pokemon, I've met someone who claims that he created Scott from Emerald, even though Sugimori created Scott, (his name just happens to be Scott, as well as looking like him) he also claimed that he created Lucario, also created by Sugimori, and said that Lucario was Mewtwo's son, and this was THREE MONTHS after Diamond and Pearl were released in the states even! It's pretty obvious that he never played past Maylene, or even went to Iron Island, else that would explain RIOLU, I have no excust that this just HAS to be Scott, I know where Scott lives, and I CAN just walk over there from here and slap him in the face, because he lives only a mile from where I live......

Though I may be wrong, for all we know, this guy could be working for Nintendo in secret and has told us a big fat lie in order to hide their existence.....

Just how many times do I have to link to this: http://pokebeach.com/2010/09/isshu-starter-evolutions-apparently-leaked-blue-yanappu

And the site Pokebeach links to: http://pokexperto.net/index2.php?subaction=showcomments&id=1283350696&archive=&start_from=&ucat=2& Which has pictures of them that are larger and clearer than the ones on Serebii or Pokebeach, they're not just simply just cut and pasted and enlarged from the picture, else they would have clear distortion around them

Not to mention THIS quote from PokeExperto, translated:



Then, going back to PokeBeach:



In other words, they ARE real, not to mention that the art for the Tsutaja final evolution DOES NOT MATCH the art of Milotic he gave us, I have zoomed in on the art and have matched the shapes exactly, they are not edits, not traces, and not ripoffs, they are the real deal

Finnaly, on the Mijumaru evolution, I found this post on the Pokebeach forums this morning:


I then did some research and discovered that it is NOT a Sea Lion, but a Giant Otter, an animal that lives in South America, you can read about them here on Wikipedia.....

Say whatever you want about them being fake, I believe that they are real, and I will continue to believe them until I see the official evolutions, then we can forget this ever happened.....

:O

Ok now we just have to wait tillthe next CoroCoro/Pokemon Sunday
Anyways how did pokexperto find the evoulutions?

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 5th, 2010 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by #Emochu (Post 6131635)
:O

Ok now we just have to wait tillthe next CoroCoro/Pokemon Sunday
Anyways how did pokexperto find the evoulutions?

Or wait until the games are out if those two don't show them to us...though we will be stuck wondering if they are for awhile...

Masterge77 September 5th, 2010 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by #Emochu (Post 6131635)
:O

Ok now we just have to wait tillthe next CoroCoro/Pokemon Sunday
Anyways how did pokexperto find the evoulutions?

They found them to be the evolutions because the webmaster there has recieved word from a "special source", which is most likely somebody from Game Freak, the website has posted information from the source before, and it ended up being true, I don't remember what it was, but I am pretty sure that they are telling the truth.....

PsychoJigglypuff September 5th, 2010 12:56 PM

I think that they will probably be revealed next Sunday, but if they aren't they will be on the 18th. Or whenever someone makes a ROM. Anyways, I'm patient enough to wait a week or two.

Haza September 5th, 2010 1:00 PM

I'm convinced that these evolutions are indeed real. They look awesome the more I look at them. I dunno if Imma pick Grass or Water this time... this will be the first time I've strayed away from the Fire starter.

Tyxomm September 5th, 2010 1:09 PM

It would be funny if a GameFreak worker made these "fakes" and gave them to serebii. and claimed them to be real, while they really aren't.
Being that he/she is a worker at gamefreak he/she will be believable.
And that person would be laughing his ass off now.

billi1000 September 5th, 2010 1:24 PM

@ Masterge77, nice point there, you really got me confused now, I really don't know what to beleive, Anyway i m fine with these evolution if they turn out real, the grass and water evos look epic but the fire starter evos look weird :P.

Rankurusu September 5th, 2010 1:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyxomm (Post 6131685)
It would be funny if a GameFreak worker made these "fakes" and gave them to serebii. and claimed them to be real, while they really aren't.
Being that he/she is a worker at gamefreak he/she will be believable.
And that person would be laughing his ass off now.

And probably sitting on a curb begging for change

Xander Olivieri September 5th, 2010 1:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyxomm (Post 6131685)
It would be funny if a GameFreak worker made these "fakes" and gave them to serebii. and claimed them to be real, while they really aren't.
Being that he/she is a worker at gamefreak he/she will be believable.
And that person would be laughing his ass off now.

Its against company policies to be able to do things like that. Advertising false information even as a joke can get the company sued and the person fired.


As for these, that gif shouldn't have used "Don't even look like Pokemon". That right there discredits their entire point. When Zekrom and Reshrim came out, the first words out were "They don't look like Pokemon." Well they are real. People that use that phrase don't know what they are talking about and have zero credit when trying to argue points.

Until Sept 15th for the Master Document or the 18th for the game's release we won't know anything about the starter's evolutions.


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