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rocky505 September 8th, 2010 4:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 6139308)
Tsutaja's final being Grass/Dragon wouldn't break the cycle. There were points already put up. Empoleon Water/Steel loses its Grass Weakness so the cycle for that group broke. Doesn't matter Torterra is also ground type

I would love to have an official Dragon for a starter and not just a breed group dragon like Charizard. If Tsutaja's Evo was part Dragon it would at least make it above "useless as dirt" rating for me.

Personal Stand point. I want all the Evolutions to be pure type.
Tsutaja's whole line: Pure Grass
Pokabu's whole line: Pure Fire
Mijumaru's whole line: Pure Water

I also see Tsutaja's final evo looking like a Snake at the end. I mean Tsutaja is a "snake" Pokemon. I saw someone post about ancient snakes having arms and legs and then loosing them through evolution so I can see this happening with Tsutaja.

For Pokabu...I can see either the Fire Boar quadraped idea or bipedial wrestler pig idea.

For Mijumaru. I'm hoping it comes something close to the art we got cause I absolutely love that one. I was already starting with Mijumaru, but that Evolution made me want to evolve it a whole lot faster.

If Miju3 learns megahorn it'll be the first starter final evolution to do that. comments in bold

Xander Olivieri September 8th, 2010 4:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rocky505 (Post 6139320)
If Miju3 learns megahorn it'll be the first starter final evolution to do that. comments in bold

The cycle is no longer Fire > Grass > Water.

for the secondary types: Fighting > Steel < Ground. Still Cycle is broken.

You could counter Empoleon learns Flying attacks, but the cycle for type advantage was still lost.

Grass/Dragon wouldn't break the cycle.

rocky505 September 8th, 2010 4:53 PM

Yes it would. one of the other two would have to be /dragon as well or /ice for it to work.

Surmonter September 8th, 2010 5:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 6139308)
Tsutaja's final being Grass/Dragon wouldn't break the cycle. There were points already put up. Empoleon Water/Steel loses its Grass Weakness so the cycle for that group broke.

I would love to have an official Dragon for a starter and not just a breed group dragon like Charizard. If Tsutaja's Evo was part Dragon it would at least make it above "useless as dirt" rating for me.

Personal Stand point. I want all the Evolutions to be pure type.
Tsutaja's whole line: Pure Grass
Pokabu's whole line: Pure Fire
Mijumaru's whole line: Pure Water

I also see Tsutaja's final evo looking like a Snake at the end. I mean Tsutaja is a "snake" Pokemon. I saw someone post about ancient snakes having arms and legs and then loosing them through evolution so I can see this happening with Tsutaja.

For Pokabu...I can see either the Fire Boar quadraped idea or bipedial wrestler pig idea.

For Mijumaru. I'm hoping it comes something close to the art we got cause I absolutely love that one. I was already starting with Mijumaru, but that Evolution made me want to evolve it a whole lot faster.

Wouldn't Torterra losing it's resistance to water also break the cycle?

Sinnoh had a weird final starter base. Empoleon was the odd one out, because Torterra could easily defeat it with Earthquake, and Infernape could too with Close Combat. :( Poor Empoleon.

Maybe there isn't a cycle? Maybe that's just a fan-created theory based on what we have observed in the past? So, it's possible that Tsutaja's final assuming it's real could be part Dragon.

Devil Flamingo September 8th, 2010 5:06 PM

As much as I hate to say it, Leafsnake is not a Grass/Dragon. GF is much too conservative for something as avant-garde as a starter being part Dragon, so as far as I'm concerned, it's not gonna happen.

I'm also hoping it is not pure Grass or Grass/Poison, but it likely is, which means I will probably ditch it in favour of another Grass type, because I have no use or need for a Sceptile/Roserade wannabe, especially the latter. As far as I'm concerned Roserade outclasses every single Grass/Poison Pokemon in existence and creating more Grass/Poison Pokemon is both idiotic and unnecessary. If you don't like Roserade, just use Venusaur. The other two are fairly useless in comparison (although I still adore Vileplume; I just don't use it). As for the other two, I really couldn't care less. XD Another Fire/Fighting will make no difference to me; as far as I'm concerned Blaziken is the only Fire/Fighting Pokemon that matters. And, while it'd be cool if Ottarmor was part Fighting (or Ice), I won't be using it so idrc. ;P

Finally, I don't mean to be rude to anyone, but this whole "cycle" thing that people are talking about is nonense as far as I'm concerned. There's no such thing.

Volroc September 8th, 2010 9:45 PM

i agree that its unlikely& that gamefreak arent smart enough to make a part dragon beginner, but i still hope for a grass/dragon & a fire/dragon (thats not that ****tard reshiram) whether its a beginner or not :)

as long as smugleaf isnt part poison, im happy, every snake has been part poison, & i thing poison is the worse type for seviper, it shouldve been dark, or fire IMO it just seems to fit it better.

i honestly dont care about mijumaru, im not big on water beginners, piplup is my fav...
im not much into the fire piggy, since my wife dubbed it "Bacon!!"
dont get me wrong their both cute, but tsutarja is my beginner for gen5
gen1- charmander
gen2-cyndaquil
gen3-torchic&treecko
gen4-piplup
gen5-tsutarja
i guess i always use the reptile or bird :P
i use Cyndaquil cuz its the best fire pookemon IMO

i hope this region is more diverse in fire, ice, ghost, &dragon types since those are my fav types :)

Shadow01192 September 8th, 2010 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rocky505 (Post 6139344)
Yes it would. one of the other two would have to be /dragon as well or /ice for it to work.

I could get behind a Fire/Ice Pokemon, in fact that sounds very useful. Granted I would prefer see a fire grass, like tangrowth evolving into a burning bush or something but Fire needs to be more diversified, and Ice needs to be more diversified. I am still rather hoping to see a few evolutions of previous pokemon though, I know not everyone is behind that but I think it really helped some pokemon that needed the help.

JirachiFan99 September 8th, 2010 11:07 PM

I hope that the 5th gen starter lines would go something like this:

Water > Water > Water/Rock
Fire > Fire/Fighting > Fire/Fighting
Grass > Grass/Poison > Grass/Poison

Surmonter September 9th, 2010 2:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JirachiFan99 (Post 6139931)
I hope that the 5th gen starter lines would go something like this:

Water > Water > Water/Rock
Fire > Fire/Fighting > Fire/Fighting
Grass > Grass/Poison > Grass/Poison

Why do you want a third Fire/Fighting starter in a row? ;_;

This is said to be the final Kurukiru evolution (which is also supposed to be Bug/GrasS) or a final Bug/Poison Pokemon. How can they not know which? D:

http://pokejungle.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/experto_sil4.png

Here is a list of rumors since the rumors thread was closed:

Spoiler:

No new natures are being introduced
26 new abilities
156 total new pokemon (5 being distribution-only) [This correlates to what Experto has said]
Squirtle: Shell Armor
Charmander: Flame Body
Bulbasaur: Poison Point

Ho-Oh September 9th, 2010 2:47 AM

...looks interesting. I can sort of visualise it as something like Pinsir and Weedle.

As for the rumours, they'll fit into the relevant threads, but this thread isn't for rumours. It's only for 5th Gen Unconfirmed/Fake Pokemon.

Frozen Solid Tea September 9th, 2010 4:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elarmasecreta (Post 6138714)
Yeah, but Blastoise isn't part ground.

That's why Torterra is part ground
That ain't true and you know it, Ground doesn't resist fire

:p

But, like you said, they're fake, lets just hope the real ones will look a lot better then these ones.

It would be weak, if Mijumaru's frickin' ugly evolution (hope it's fake) is parte ice, since ice beats dragon and grass, causing a 4x damage. It would reverse the cycle, but that's ok for me.

I hope that those evos are fake, since Pokabu, who was the best starter, turned out to be ugly and fighting (once again!). I was hoping for some four-legged boar, an awesome one at that. I didn't like Mijumaru very much, but the first evo is cool (if it's white, like Miju), but no, they had to ruin it in the second evo with that horrible head and body. I saw some images on deviantArt, and I saw some really cool evos for him, making me wish that GF would see them and make them real! Not those ugly ones that came out and are hopefully fake. As for Tsutaja's ones, they could be better, but I'm fine with them...

Also, on a different (and a bit off-topic) note, is it just me, or does Chillarmy look like a prevolution of Eevee (I'm saying it looks like, and not "it must be!", don't get confused)? xD

Impo September 9th, 2010 4:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frozen Solid Tea (Post 6140163)
It would be weak, if Mijumaru's frickin' ugly evolution (hope it's fake) is parte ice, since ice beats dragon and grass, causing a 4x damage.

im surprised at how no water starter was part ice :P .
but i only like tsuutaja (or whatever the hell its name was)'s evo,
i hated pokabu's,
not enjoying what looks like the 3rd fire/fighting starter.

Kyo-chan September 9th, 2010 5:08 AM

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Originally Posted by takkunlove7 (Post 6138410)
even serebii doesn't post their source most of the time but pokejungle gets all info from different sites including pokexperto.

pokejungle is reporting an evo for kibago.

Checked it this morning while you were in class and it's now saying it's fake dear, which saddens me cause you know I like this guy =(

lucaspontes September 9th, 2010 5:31 AM

Hm... I don't think the starters evos are that bad.

PsychoJigglypuff September 9th, 2010 7:49 AM

Hmm... Well the silhouette doesn't look like it would be an evolution of Kurukiru. But then again, if it's only a silhouette you can't really tell.

Fushigidane-Chan September 9th, 2010 8:18 AM

Interesting read... Not confirmed, in a sense, but pretty damn likely at this point.

Quote:

Okay, I'll answer that. Kinda.

Mamanboo stays alone at both Isshu and National PokéDex. There is at least another Pokémon that could be related to an already known one but isn't.

My general guess is that Game Freak has re-done First Gen on purpose. As you pointed out, there are many Pokémon that seem newer versions of old Pokémon, like Poliwag, Machop or Zubat. Or at least perform the same functions.

The case of Mamanboo is just that it is way too similar to Luvdisc not to think they are in fact related. But as far as my data goes, they aren't. So, as far as I know, no single new Pokémon is related to a Gen I-IV Pokémon, no evolutions or pre-evolutions. As I don't have the games myself, I cannot tell if there is some kind of relation whatsoever.

#Emochu September 9th, 2010 8:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Surmonter (Post 6139087)
Although, Grass/Dragon would be good if they didn't really give it as great as stats/moves.

The typing combination also gives it 4x weakness to ice.

I still don't think they will ever make a starter a cool type.

What I think would be cool, if they made the Grass starter Grass/Fire, the Fire one Fire/Water, and the water one Water/Grass.

NEUTRAL STARTERS YAY :D


Not t'bother you man, but the whole point of having your starter be weak to your rival's starter is to encourage you to catch different types of Pokemon.


Grass Psychic with a variety of Poison moves would be cool. And Fire Ground really suites the Boarbeque final.

takkunlove7 September 9th, 2010 9:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyo-chan (Post 6140191)
Checked it this morning while you were in class and it's now saying it's fake dear, which saddens me cause you know I like this guy =(

I know that love, hence why it's in the fake pokemon thread.

as for the catepillar one's final evo, wonder if it's true. doesn't look a thing like him but apparently that's a theme in this generation... lol

Xander Olivieri September 9th, 2010 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by takkunlove7 (Post 6140611)
I know that love, hence why it's in the fake pokemon thread.

as for the catepillar one's final evo, wonder if it's true. doesn't look a thing like him but apparently that's a theme in this generation... lol

All the caterpillar Pokemon don't look like their final forms so its to be expected that the Grass/Bug won't look like its final form.

Yams September 9th, 2010 10:50 AM

Grass/Psychic, Fire/Dark, and Water/Fighting?

Not too unlikely I say.

Xeos September 9th, 2010 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yams (Post 6140677)
Grass/Psychic, Fire/Dark, and Water/Fighting?

Not too unlikely I say.

I'm following this idea. Hopefully it will end up like this seeing that the "cycle" many of you were talking about wouldn't be disrupted. it would just be a bit misshapen.

Masterge77 September 9th, 2010 11:22 AM

Here is the Isshu Pokedex so far, as Pokejungle and Pokexperto have said:

Spoiler:

494/000 - Victini (Psychic/Fire)
495/001 - Tsutaja (Grass)
496/002 - Tsutaja 1 (Grass???)
497/003 - Tsutaja 2 (Grass???)
498/004 - Pokabu (Fire)
499/005 - Pokabu 1 (Fire???)
500/006 - Pokabu 2 (Fire???)
501/007 - Mijumaru (Water)
502/008 - Mijumaru 1 (Water???)
503/009 - Mijumaru 2 (Water???)
504/010 - Minezumi (Normal)
505/011 - Miruhoggu (Normal)
506/012 - Dog (Normal)
507/013 - Dog evo 1 (Normal)
508/014 - Dog evo 2 (Normal)
509/015 - Purple cat(Dark)
510/016 - Purple panther(Dark)
511/017 - Yanappu (Grass)
512/018 - Yanappu evo (Grass)
513/019 - Baoppu (Fire)
514/020 - Baoppu evo (Fire)
515/021 - Hiyappu (Water)
516/022 - Hiyappu evo (Water)
517/023 - Munna (Psychic)
518/024 - Musharna (Psychic)
519/025 - Mamepato (Normal/Flying)
520/026 - Hatoopoo (Normal/Flying)
521/027 - Hatoopoo evo (Normal/Flying) apparently has a second forme in the spring
522/028 - Shimama (Electric)
523/029 - Shimama evo (Electric)
524/030 - Gigaiasu stage 1(Rock)
525/031 - Gigaiasu stage 2(Rock)
526/032 - Gigaiasu (Rock)
527/033 - Koromori (Psychic/Flying)
528/034 - Koromori evo (Psychic/Flying)
529/035 - Morguryuu (Ground)
530/036 - Doryuuzu (Ground/Steel)
531/037 - Tabunne (Normal)
532/038 - Wood plank holder (Fighting)
533/039 - Iron girder holder (Fighting)
534/040 - Concrete block holder (Fighting)
535/041 - Tadpole (Water)
536/042 - Tadpole evo (Water/Ground)
537/043 - Frog (Water/Ground)
538/044 - Judo Pokemon (Fighting)
539/045 - Judo Pokemon evo (Fighting)
540/046 - Kurumiru (Bug/Grass)
541/047 - Kurumiru evo (Bug/Grass)
542/048 - Phylliidae (Bug/Grass)
543/049 - Centipede (Bug/Poison)
544/050 - Cocoon (Bug/Poison)
545/051 - Escolopendra (Bug/Poison)
546/052 - Cotton plant (Grass)
547/053 - Cotton plant evo (Grass)

.....

572/078 - Chillarmy (Normal)

pokewalker September 9th, 2010 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Masterge77 (Post 6140747)
Here is the Isshu Pokedex so far, as Pokejungle and Pokexperto have said:

Spoiler:

494/000 - Victini (Psychic/Fire)
495/001 - Tsutaja (Grass)
496/002 - Tsutaja 1 (Grass???)
497/003 - Tsutaja 2 (Grass???)
498/004 - Pokabu (Fire)
499/005 - Pokabu 1 (Fire???)
500/006 - Pokabu 2 (Fire???)
501/007 - Mijumaru (Water)
502/008 - Mijumaru 1 (Water???)
503/009 - Mijumaru 2 (Water???)
504/010 - Minezumi (Normal)
505/011 - Miruhoggu (Normal)
506/012 - Dog (Normal)
507/013 - Dog evo 1 (Normal)
508/014 - Dog evo 2 (Normal)
509/015 - Purple cat(Dark)
510/016 - Purple panther(Dark)
511/017 - Yanappu (Grass)
512/018 - Yanappu evo (Grass)
513/019 - Baoppu (Fire)
514/020 - Baoppu evo (Fire)
515/021 - Hiyappu (Water)
516/022 - Hiyappu evo (Water)
517/023 - Munna (Psychic)
518/024 - Musharna (Psychic)
519/025 - Mamepato (Normal/Flying)
520/026 - Hatoopoo (Normal/Flying)
521/027 - Hatoopoo evo (Normal/Flying) apparently has a second forme in the spring
522/028 - Shimama (Electric)
523/029 - Shimama evo (Electric)
524/030 - Gigaiasu stage 1(Rock)
525/031 - Gigaiasu stage 2(Rock)
526/032 - Gigaiasu (Rock)
527/033 - Koromori (Psychic/Flying)
528/034 - Koromori evo (Psychic/Flying)
529/035 - Morguryuu (Ground)
530/036 - Doryuuzu (Ground/Steel)
531/037 - Tabunne (Normal)
532/038 - Wood plank holder (Fighting)
533/039 - Iron girder holder (Fighting)
534/040 - Concrete block holder (Fighting)
535/041 - Tadpole (Water)
536/042 - Tadpole evo (Water/Ground)
537/043 - Frog (Water/Ground)
538/044 - Judo Pokemon (Fighting)
539/045 - Judo Pokemon evo (Fighting)
540/046 - Kurumiru (Bug/Grass)
541/047 - Kurumiru evo (Bug/Grass)
542/048 - Phylliidae (Bug/Grass)
543/049 - Centipede (Bug/Poison)
544/050 - Cocoon (Bug/Poison)
545/051 - Escolopendra (Bug/Poison)
546/052 - Cotton plant (Grass)
547/053 - Cotton plant evo (Grass)

.....

572/078 - Chillarmy (Normal)

It seems pretty legit, but I don't think it is.

Planetes. September 9th, 2010 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Masterge77 (Post 6140747)
Here is the Isshu Pokedex so far, as Pokejungle and Pokexperto have said:

Spoiler:

494/000 - Victini (Psychic/Fire)-I said it was 494 from the start when everybody freaked out that it was no. 000
495/001 - Tsutaja (Grass)
496/002 - Tsutaja 1 (Grass???)
497/003 - Tsutaja 2 (Grass???)-Grass/Dragon would only happen if gamefreak gave it crappy base stats imo, either goes for G/P or G/FL
498/004 - Pokabu (Fire)
499/005 - Pokabu 1 (Fire???)
500/006 - Pokabu 2 (Fire???) Looks to be fighting or rock if the evos are definetly real.
501/007 - Mijumaru (Water)
502/008 - Mijumaru 1 (Water???)
503/009 - Mijumaru 2 (Water???)-Water/Ground, Water/Steel, or pure water, again only if the evos are real.
504/010 - Minezumi (Normal)
505/011 - Miruhoggu (Normal)
506/012 - Dog (Normal)
507/013 - Dog evo 1 (Normal)
508/014 - Dog evo 2 (Normal)-A 3 stage non-bird vendor trash is a rarity in Pokemon
509/015 - Purple cat(Dark)-Ah so its dark....I thought it would turn out psychic
510/016 - Purple panther(Dark)
511/017 - Yanappu (Grass)
512/018 - Yanappu evo (Grass)
513/019 - Baoppu (Fire)
514/020 - Baoppu evo (Fire)
515/021 - Hiyappu (Water)
516/022 - Hiyappu evo (Water)
517/023 - Munna (Psychic)
518/024 - Musharna (Psychic)
519/025 Psychic Elephant-There fixed it.
520/026 - Hatoopoo (Normal/Flying)
521/027 - Hatoopoo evo (Normal/Flying) apparently has a second forme in the spring-seasonal evolution is a good idea.
522/028 - Shimama (Electric)
523/029 - Shimama evo (Electric)
524/030 - Gigaiasu stage 1(Rock)
525/031 - Gigaiasu stage 2(Rock)
526/032 - Gigaiasu (Rock)-These guys are far better than their gen 1 counterparts imo
527/033 - Koromori (Psychic/Flying)
528/034 - Koromori evo (Psychic/Flying)
529/035 - Morguryuu (Ground)
530/036 - Doryuuzu (Ground/Steel)
531/037 - Tabunne (Normal)
532/038 - Wood plank holder (Fighting)
533/039 - Iron girder holder (Fighting)
534/040 - Concrete block holder (Fighting) *W* Yay 3 stage fighting. Though I can't imagine a Pokemon holding a concrete block....
535/041 - Tadpole (Water)
536/042 - Tadpole evo (Water/Ground)
537/043 - Frog (Water/Ground) Oooh another 3 stage water early poke, another rarity.
538/044 - Judo Pokemon (Fighting)-I'd assume they would be more creative.
539/045 - Judo Pokemon evo (Fighting)
540/046 - Kurumiru (Bug/Grass)-
541/047 - Kurumiru evo (Bug/Grass)
542/048 - Phylliidae (Bug/Grass) ALL OF THESE ARE VENDOR DERP
543/049 - Centipede (Bug/Poison)
544/050 - Cocoon (Bug/Poison)
545/051 - Escolopendra (Bug/Poison)
546/052 - Cotton plant (Grass)
547/053 - Cotton plant evo (Grass)

.....

572/078 - Chillarmy (Normal)

-Chillarmy is prob a gimmick or noveltymon

Comments are in bold, and thanks for posting this!

giorgos September 9th, 2010 11:52 AM

Pokeexperto reveal gigaiasu family :
http://www.pokexperto.net/index2.php


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