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GFA August 1st, 2010 12:49 PM

Oh. well, I dont like that series ...

Anyway ...

Aloe hasnt been translated yet, so if she is a Gym Leader, dont take it to mean anything quite yet.

shininglatios217 August 1st, 2010 12:51 PM

In the japanese games they also name the Gym Leaders according to type. Example: Erika's name comes from a japanese word that means pear blossom.

Kirbychu August 1st, 2010 4:20 PM

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Originally Posted by AceDragonite (Post 6022321)
Okay, well in the new promotion video for bw on pokebeach there is a trainer named Aloe, unlike most trainers in the Pokemon games, she is black. Now Pokemon doesn't regularly include characters that are not white or tan, so this is quite odd. She seems to me like a healer, as there are many healers and witch doctors on the continent of africa

That was very stereotypical and maybe even a bit racist. :|

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Originally Posted by 560cool. (Post 6025333)
She's ugly ... >3
It seems quite odd to include a black person. I [[[think]]] that it'll be censored and made white for the US version...
I thing GF never made something alike because they were afraid of racism and stuff. /o\



No offense, but this is just plain stupid. The reason that black people are sometimes censored in dubs of anime is solely because they are usually portrayed in a somewhat offensive manner (IE big lips, pitch black skin, etc.) As you can see, making them lighter doesn't really offend anyone at all. Aloe won't offend anyone except white prejudices, she's just a normal anime-styled character, with a darker skin tone. Usually all five of the black people in Japanese media look exactly the same.


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Originally Posted by Hiroshi Sotomura (Post 6024603)
We have Aloe, we have the football player, we have Iris in the anime…

I'm starting to see a pattern here. Still, a teal afro seems like a silly colour for her hair, but it's interesting to see different skin colours nonetheless.

They have darker skin, so what?

This might actually be more powerful than a lot of you may think. Showing people with different skin tones is a great thing. Pokemon is insanely popular with children worldwide, and this has potential to build tolerance amongst many of them, especially with the age group that doesn't even notice "races". It's wonderful that Game Freak is making an attempt not to exclude people of different skin tones, without making them seem like "token" characters. With Pokemon being as popular as it is, this could possibly make black people become more common in anime, manga, and video games. There's a new generation of media creators coming up in Japan, and many of them are growing up with Pokemon.

And no one forget Barlow.

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:dxwG1yaTRm8QNM:http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/b/bf/Barlow.jpg&t=1

As for her role in the game, for some reason I don't think she's a gym leader. I like the idea of her being Iris's mother. We do have that rumor that says Iris is based on an in-game character.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire August 1st, 2010 4:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 560cool. (Post 6025333)
She's ugly ... >3
It seems quite odd to include a black person. I [[[think]]] that it'll be censored and made white for the US version...
I thing GF never made something alike because they were afraid of racism and stuff. /o\

That's kind of racist of you to say that...
Well they didn't censored Yorichi from Bleach (though this is not related to GF but it still serves my point), so I doubt they will censor her in the US version...

shininglatios217 August 1st, 2010 4:29 PM

And they didn't censor Barret from Final Fantasy VII.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire August 1st, 2010 4:33 PM

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Originally Posted by shininglatios217 (Post 6026781)
And they didn't censor Barret from Final Fantasy VII.

Nor the Guy from Final Fantasy 13...

Planetes. August 1st, 2010 8:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Kirbychu (Post 6026753)
That was very stereotypical and maybe even a bit racist. :|




No offense, but this is just plain stupid. The reason that black people are sometimes censored in dubs of anime is solely because they are usually portrayed in a somewhat offensive manner (IE big lips, pitch black skin, etc.) As you can see, making them lighter doesn't really offend anyone at all. Aloe won't offend anyone except white prejudices, she's just a normal anime-styled character, with a darker skin tone. Usually all five of the black people in Japanese media look exactly the same.


They have darker skin, so what?

This might actually be more powerful than a lot of you may think. Showing people with different skin tones is a great thing. Pokemon is insanely popular with children worldwide, and this has potential to build tolerance amongst many of them, especially with the age group that doesn't even notice "races". It's wonderful that Game Freak is making an attempt not to exclude people of different skin tones, without making them seem like "token" characters. With Pokemon being as popular as it is, this could possibly make black people become more common in anime, manga, and video games. There's a new generation of media creators coming up in Japan, and many of them are growing up with Pokemon.

And no one forget Barlow.

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:dxwG1yaTRm8QNM:http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/b/bf/Barlow.jpg&t=1

As for her role in the game, for some reason I don't think she's a gym leader. I like the idea of her being Iris's mother. We do have that rumor that says Iris is based on an in-game character.


okay, I have nothing against black people, so don't act like I do, and I was making a point that aloe is a healing plant found on the continent of africa, and so are healers, I'm not saying all black people are from africa, if you actually knew anything about history or culture you would understand. I'm all for nintendo adding mixed races to Pokemon Games, it definetley adds a more friendly feel.

Haza August 1st, 2010 8:33 PM

There is nothing offensive about her... if they dubbed her, then that would be racist :P

Kirbychu August 1st, 2010 8:40 PM

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Originally Posted by AceDragonite (Post 6027454)
okay, I have nothing against black people, so don't act like I do, and I was making a point that aloe is a healing plant found on the continent of africa, and so are healers, I'm not saying all black people are from africa, if you actually knew anything about history or culture you would understand. I'm all for nintendo adding mixed races to Pokemon Games, it definetley adds a more friendly feel.

I'm sure you don't have anything against black people, but saying that the first black trainer in a real Pokemon game is a witch doctor from Africa when we hardly know anything about her is kind of strange. :|

Not that it really matters, but I've been studying African cultures recently, you were pretty quick to make that assumption. :/

Haza August 1st, 2010 8:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kirbychu (Post 6027525)
I'm sure you don't have anything against black people, but saying that the first black trainer in a real Pokemon game is a witch doctor from Africa when we hardly know anything about her is kind of strange. :|

Not that it really matters, but I've been studying African cultures recently, you were pretty quick to make that assumption. :/

Lmao, especially when she looks more like a teacher or instructor than a damn witch doctor...

shininglatios217 August 1st, 2010 8:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Haza (Post 6027547)


Lmao, especially when she looks more like a teacher or instructor than a damn witch doctor...

Maybe that gives my "Aloe is a botanist" theory more credibility.

Dialga812 August 1st, 2010 8:54 PM

well i think she's a teacher too..coz the room does look like a classroom and her clothes looks kinda formal and her hand gestures...it looks like that shes teaching or something x]

Haza August 1st, 2010 8:59 PM

There has been a PokeSchool in EVERY region so far (except maybe Johto... I don't remember it) so maybe this time instead of battling the students and answering easy mechanic questions we will get to battle the instructor, and Aloe is her.

Bluerang1 August 2nd, 2010 2:14 AM

She gives me and Ororo Munroe vibe. Maybe that's who they based her on. So definitely teacher. If she's a Flying or Psychic type Gym Leader, it'll definitely be Storm they based are on.

MistahDude August 2nd, 2010 2:18 AM

I dont think they censored Brock and all of his siblings either

Volroc August 2nd, 2010 2:53 AM

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Originally Posted by JP (Post 6022366)
Champion would be awesome, I'd love another female champion. Cynthia <3

Though I'm more leaning towards the idea that she's probably one of the early gym leaders.

im gonna go with this, from her name youd think shes a grass trainer, but she kinda looks like shes dressed for Dark Types... maybe a dark gym finally ;)

Spherical Ice August 2nd, 2010 3:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Bluerang1 (Post 6025183)
http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm219/bluerang1/Aloe-Challenge.jpg

Hope this is a better shot. I made it brighter. Same thing really...

That looks like a stage behind her. Perhaps she's got some relation to the Pokémon Musical? She looks like a person who'd be interested in the arts (look at her clothes, hair, etc.).

Demonic Puppeteer August 2nd, 2010 5:50 AM

Brock had a darker tone in the anime, but If you look at his skin-color in FR/LG and HG/SS, you will find out he's never been dark to begin with. Well, the older games might've given the feeling he would be dark.

Anyway, I don't think she will be censored. There is no reason for it. She has none of the stereotypical signs of being dark skinned. No big lips, okay, she has an sort of afro, but I think she resembles more of an average '70's disco-dancer, who happened to be black.

GFA August 2nd, 2010 5:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Demonic Puppeteer (Post 6028298)
Anyway, I don't think she will be censored. There is no reason for it. She has none of the stereotypical signs of being dark skinned. No big lips, okay, she has an sort of afro, but I think she resembles more of an average '70's disco-dancer, who happened to be black.

Is called blackface, and your right.

WarpstarX August 2nd, 2010 6:24 AM

Yeah every time I see black person with blackface IN A CURRENT ANIME
ex: http://housemanga.over-blog.com/article-26491186.html I don't mind THAT much but it's still kinda like a slap in the face. (my reaction every time I see a character drawn like this) Ah damn it... -_-U

GFA August 2nd, 2010 6:39 AM

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Originally Posted by WarpstarX (Post 6028375)
Yeah every time I see black person with blackface IN A CURRENT ANIME
ex: http://housemanga.over-blog.com/article-26491186.html I don't mind THAT much but it's still kinda like a slap in the face. (my reaction every time I see a character drawn like this) Ah damn it... -_-U

Yes well, they toned him down in the American version ...

But yeah, Aloe isnt blackface, so she'll stay the same. As did Dahlia.

Kevin August 2nd, 2010 7:59 AM

She looks like an Elite Four member. Or maybe even champion.

Off-topic: Did anyone notice that the male challenge sprite changed? o.o

Haza August 2nd, 2010 2:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Demonic Puppeteer (Post 6028298)
Anyway, I don't think she will be censored. There is no reason for it. She has none of the stereotypical signs of being dark skinned. No big lips, okay, she has an sort of afro, but I think she resembles more of an average '70's disco-dancer, who happened to be black.

She is afrocentric... when us African Americans embrace our culture, and wear our hair naturally instead of altering it to fit in with what society generally classifies as beautiful. That is why she is the complete opposite of offensive.

Kirbychu August 2nd, 2010 2:38 PM

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Originally Posted by MG (Post 6029633)
Ummm... Dahlia wasn't of African descent, she was Eastern Asian(Middle East). Just as brock is Southern Asian, also not of African descent.

I disagree, I'd say that she's Hispanic. Dahlia is the name of a Central American flower. She also uses Ludicolo.

But really people, race isn't important. I really like the idea of having an optional tutorial-esque battle with Aloe, since she looks like a teacher at a trainer's school.

orange discontent August 2nd, 2010 2:43 PM

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Originally Posted by MG
Just as brock is Southern Asian, also not of African descent.

Brock is dark-skinned/tan Japanese. He's not black or anything else, tyvm.

I hope Aloe isn't censored. That would seem racist. People would kick and shout and no one would look good.


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