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s0nido July 31st, 2010 5:46 PM

Installing Windows XP on eMac
 
I managed to salvage an old eMac yesterday, and, quite frankly, it's old and outdated. I don't exactly know how to use Mac OSX, so I was wondering how to install Windows XP on it. I know it's possible, but I have no idea how. Can anyone give me a way to install Windows XP onto an eMac?

Thanks in advance.

Alistair July 31st, 2010 6:04 PM

You won't be able to install Windows at all on the eMac. That computer has a PowerPC processor, which Windows has no support for.

twocows July 31st, 2010 6:24 PM

You can use an old version of Virtual PC for Mac and virtualize it.

TheAppleFreak July 31st, 2010 6:35 PM

Unless you use Virtual PC, it's utterly impossible. VPC is a Windows emulation software; instead of directly running the OS at near-native speeds, VPC would convert the instructions that XP gave to the processor into PowerPC code, which would slow down Windows (aka the guest) because of the sheer amount of code required to translate. Running Windows on a Mac was impossible until 2005, when Apple transitioned over to Intel processors due to design concerns with their new MacBook line (it was new at the time). The newer Macs can run it at full or near-full speeds because it doesn't have to translate any code to the PPC format (if you're running it in VMware Fusion, Sun Virtualbox, or Parallels Desktop, it'll be slower because it has to translate a bit of code for the guest, on top of running OS X and any other programs open at the time in the host or the guest).

tl;dr, if you wanna run Windows on that eMac, you'll need Virtual PC. Good luck getting it, though.

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Originally Posted by twocows
You can use an old version of Virtual PC for Mac and virtualize it.

Emulate, not virtualize. You've been working in this field long enough, you should know the difference!

twocows July 31st, 2010 8:55 PM

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Originally Posted by TheAppleFreak (Post 6023738)
Emulate, not virtualize. You've been working in this field long enough, you should know the difference!

It makes a virtual machine, hence it is virtualization. As far as I understand it, emulation is one way to achieve virtualization.

donavannj July 31st, 2010 9:09 PM

Everyone I know calls it virtualization. (b'-')b

Archer August 1st, 2010 1:02 AM

Firstly, it IS virtualisation. The VM programs, BIOS and the greater part of society refer to it as such.

Secondly, what did you have in mind, Omer? It might be a good chance to learn how to use OSX. Depending on the CPU, you may want to either leave Tiger and learn that, or install Leopard (Not Snow Leopard, which is i386-only. Yes twocows, I'm throwing every abbreviation at you. :D). It's not going to pull its weight as a full time machine, so you may as well use it as a learning aid.

On the other hand, you could go about installing Linux on it. If you're that way inclined, Ubuntu has a community-maintained PPC distro. You won't be able to use the normal installer disc.

Mr. Pokemon August 1st, 2010 8:17 PM

I wonder if you can install Linux on it? Ubuntu would be a good choice, if it works. I don't know if it does though. It's easy-to-use, fast and secure (no anti-virus required!)

But I would just get used to Mac OS X. It's far easier than trying to get Windows running on that thing. It wasn't made to run Windows anyways, so it's pointless.

Dawn August 2nd, 2010 12:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Pokemon (Post 6027438)
I wonder if you can install Linux on it? Ubuntu would be a good choice, if it works. I don't know if it does though. It's easy-to-use, fast and secure (no anti-virus required!)

http://www.linux.com/archive/feed/58044
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCDownloads

Ubuntu comes with what could essentially be called an anti-virus. It's also a bit non-standard in the way it handles files making normal strategies for hacking it ineffective. Don't be so misleading. You have to keep your Ubuntu installation protected like every other OS.

Archer August 2nd, 2010 2:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PkMnTrainer Yellow (Post 6027901)

Ubuntu comes with what could essentially be called an anti-virus.

Care to elaborate on this?

Dawn August 2nd, 2010 3:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Archer (Post 6028038)
Care to elaborate on this?

Not really, no. @[email protected] Why don't you google it? *Lazy whine* It's totally off topic and..and... sigh... /excuses >.>

http://librenix.com/?inode=21

And even further, here. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Antivirus

I mean, Linux's built in security is pretty much there to stop attacks by things like viruses. Besides not being a seperate program how much more anti-virus'y can you get? The only reason ubuntu.com can list to have a traditional seperate anti-virus is if the built in one fails. That's not much of a reason, to be honest. Can't imagine why a separate program would do any better.

My issue is he said that no AV was required when it's more along the line that the AV is more or less part of the OS itself and an impressive one at that. This goes to say that if you don't keep your Ubuntu updated... viruses are going to have a better chance at infecting you.

Archer August 2nd, 2010 3:57 AM

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Originally Posted by PkMnTrainer Yellow (Post 6028073)


Not really, no. @[email protected] Why don't you google it? *Lazy whine* It's totally off topic and..and... sigh... /excuses >.>

http://librenix.com/?inode=21

And even further, here. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Antivirus

I mean, Linux's built in security is pretty much there to stop attacks by things like viruses. Besides not being a seperate program how much more anti-virus'y can you get? The only reason ubuntu.com can list to have a traditional seperate anti-virus is if the built in one fails. That's not much of a reason, to be honest. Can't imagine why a separate program would do any better.

My issue is he said that no AV was required when it's more along the line that the AV is more or less part of the OS itself and an impressive one at that. This goes to say that if you don't keep your Ubuntu updated... viruses are going to have a better chance at infecting you.

There is no AV in-built. Linux is safe for exactly the same reason OSX is. Safety in obscurity. There's other reasons, but there's no in-built AV.

wakachamo August 2nd, 2010 7:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omer. (Post 6023546)
I managed to salvage an old eMac yesterday, and, quite frankly, it's old and outdated. I don't exactly know how to use Mac OSX, so I was wondering how to install Windows XP on it. I know it's possible, but I have no idea how. Can anyone give me a way to install Windows XP onto an eMac?

Thanks in advance.

You'd be better off learning how to use Mac OS X than to bother running an excruciatingly slow version of Windows XP on top of something that was never meant to run such an OS in the first place.


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