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Black & White, Pokemon or not?
I have seen many changes, and they are disturbing me as it is hardly like the old games, what happened to a 2-d black and white Kanto? Now we have 2.75-D full color, rotating camera, 600 pokemon, and triple battles.
Now what do you say? I know that GAMEFREAK Inc. will do anything to keep customers, but seriously, some things are bad. Lets take a look at the new features: http://a.imageshack.us/img821/5459/20100801112229152x296.pngThis is a Serebii.net screenshot, first off, the new pokemon, many say look like digimon or 10-minute sprites. This is also how we felt about Gen IV so it shouldnt concern much. Isshu's art is interesting, it has no resemblence to the others and it is far away, which furthers that these are hardly Pokemon games Oh god, the new battle system. TRIPLE BATTLES-surf/EQ/Muddy water/explosion-half of your team gone. for gods sake leave triple battles to fossil fighters. ROTATION BATTLES-Im in competitive battling, and I know that this will be hell on earth. To make that better-VGC, the japanese will have months experience, while we will have ONE month eperience. No brainer on the finals The version differences i like, however we have never seen that great of a difference before have we? The C-Gear is seeming good, but it looks like crap. I mean, why Hexagonal shapes? it seems confusing to me, but i like the idea. The pokeshifter, in POKEMON why combine whac-a-mole with archery? It was better when you CAUGHT your pokemon not SHOT them PS. the sprites, they are EXTREMELY pixelated in my opinion, however i like the fact that they move, hopefully its in a manner similar to battle Rev where they also move when hit. the rest of it you can figure out yourself ~Red |
I love the idea of these changes as much as I loved all the others. I've played all versions of Pokémon, and am happy with these improvements. :) As I look for a more interesting and complex experience, Game Freak keeps providing it.
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they are great in my opinion and I can't wait to play and find out what all I can do with them. and you don't actually shoot them you throw Pokeballs at them with a Bow. Its just like catching a normal Pokemon but a little more difficult because they can move and you can miss. I love the idea of Triple Battles also,they seem like they will be fun because I loved and still love Double Battles and Isshu is supposed to look different or the fans would get bored and quit playing the games. sometimes change is good and this time it is,it is good to have something different after awhile. so I think its a good idea that there putting in new features. |
I know many people who complain because Pokémon is always the same..
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Its called a sequel. Adding features to make it different from its predecessors is sort of the point.
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i like all the new features except triple battles.
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Still looks like a Pokemon game to me. Admittedly I was a bit annoyed at the whole triple battles thing, but I'm good with it now. And yeah, Pokemon designs are crazy this time around but I'll get used to them.
The pixelated Pokemon though is due to how the battle screen works. All Pokemon are created at their standard resolution and if you were to rip them from the game, they'd look like they do on current games; normal size. But since the camera moves around in battle, they end up becoming a tad pixelated. Now personally, I think they should have altered either the sprites, the sprite positions or the battle screen to ensure that your Pokemon looked fine when the camera is in it's default position, but only pixelated when the camera shifted position for attacks or whatever. But they haven't, so we'll just have to get used to pixelated Pokemon. Yes it looks untidy, especially with 6 Pokemon on the screen at once, but having watched the videos, I've sort of ignored it since everything looks fast and fantastic. |
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I like all the new features and the updated 3D of the Game :). I beleive these Changes were needed to make it different than gen 4 ;)
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do you see kids walking around with with a pokemon and challenging other people in REAL life? no, i didn't think so. |
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P.D: Sorry for my bad english, I'm spanish. |
i'm not on his case, but if it seemed that way sorry.
i'm just saying pokemon becoming realistic to me would be like the new rumored weather changeing, or like you would have to feed your Pokemon actual food. those kinds of stuff. not the games becoming more like the manga. EDIT: didn't know you weren't great at english Nino. sorry |
OHPWEASE NOT THE OMFG NEW GEN POKEYMANz LOOK LIKE DIGIMANz AGAIN.
Can I ask you 2 questions? If you can, you win. 1) What SHOULD Pokemon looks like? 2) What SHOULD Digimon looks like? Was there ever a rule? Answer this, thanks. Complain king, don't like the new game? Simple, I've said this a time to many, don't buy. No one cares if you're whining about it. |
What Rilence said is true, I wish the whining will stop...though maybe they are whining cuz they will buy it anyways :P
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BTW how do you set the text so every post is like that? |
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Offtopic: what do you mean? |
I'm honestly not too bothered by it, but then again I am not an avid, die-hard fan of Pokemon gaming. Hah! I like change and updated graphics when new series of games come out. I don't really have a problem with it at all! So long as not EVERY new Pokemon looks like some bad-ass wannabe Digimon. I mean they shoulddd still keep several cute ones in there, right? :P ... And I just enjoy the new graphics. Well... we'll see once I play the game.
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He means in Red
Gen V looks better then III and IV combined if you ask me. And well, neither were that bad. |
Here we go... Smugleaf's (Don't flame me for using this name, I happen to like it.) take on this.
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Pic by YattaroSB And that's about it for my opinion on this. I like the new stuff, it adds in some variety. And it isn't the same thing over and over. |
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ALL THE TIME!!! no you wouldn't because that would become monotonous and old. |
Blargh, annoying nostalgia fantards. We know you'll end up buying the game anyway because it's Pokemon. If you really aren't going to buy the games, why bother complaining?
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We can't really say it's better game play wise compared to gen 3 or 4 but it is looking that way :P |
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What I don't get on the whole "Design" part of it When Ononokusu came out ALOT of people said OMFG!! it's tooooo overdrawn! but NOW when the new Deer and Stork came out people are saying they're too freakin plain... and some of them are the SAME people that made the earlier comment -sigh- most of us here on PC are older Teens... and the Fact Remains, this game was not made for us but for the kids.. if it impresses them Gamefreak Wins >.>; |
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I dunno. More and more little kids are thinking Pokemon's nerdy. Its still popular though. If they can get little kids, and grab some (of us) Teens, that'd be the best they can do.
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many say look like digimon or 10-minute sprites
I strongly agree, these b&w pokes look cheap and I share your dislike for the 3v3 battle system, it's screw up the vgc BADLY, I hope they keep the vgc 2v2 |
my girlfriends 6 year old brother saw me playing pokemon and said i was a nerd.
i asked him what he liked to play. he said COD. i said aren't you a little young to be blowing some guys head off? he said aren't you a little old for pokemon? point taken i said. pokemon is targeted for younger players, but younger players are playing games targeted for older players. madness |
well yeah true... =P i'm impressed that's for sure...
but what i'm trying to get at is people should try to break their Consistence Shell and look at things for the better instead of for the worst... but people will be people so... =) |
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FYI. Just wanted to also point that out. Well it might be. Unless you want to be a girl and have heart shapes? |
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I think that 4 gen was the end of the line, seriously. this is just to much, i don't like the idea of triple battles, double battles were fun.
And why make another gear!? why not just keep the pokégear? And the new pokemon... i don't like them, they remind me more of digimon now. What I think is this is simply becoming to much. |
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Well I think people should try it before the diss it |
(oh god not another one)
yeah youre right. its not pokemon, its a REVOLUTION. If you dont like it, then dont get it. be happy playing the past generations. Oh yeah, and i actually love the idea of rotational battles. think of using 12 moves instead of 4, and always being ready, and having to deal with many different situations. It seems cool to me, i dont know about you nostalgia buffs. >_> |
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To reiterate: don't like, don't buy/don't complain before release. You can spout your opinion, just don't be a whiny old man about it. It's not ruined FOREVER unless it singlehandedly kills the series. Etc., etc. Rotational battles seem fun. |
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Are Black and White different? Yes.
Is that a bad thing? No. It's that simple. |
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I actually hope this is the second to last ... o.O
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O_o wow. if there was a gen 11 im sure i would be bushed. i'd be like 60 something.
also, to summarize redsaber's rant, pokemon is ruined FOREVER! |
2D black and white Kanto wouldn't sell now-a-days. There's no way they would get away with selling 5 generations of the same game.
I welcome the changes, they're fine by me. |
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Good Job Magma! :D |
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anyway... Me: Alright a new game, I guess I'll buy it... Nintendo: Oh, Hai, we've actually been making you 35 bucks for 150 pokeymanz and a region, but now we r tryin to achely make teh game differin and werth byin unlike dimend n perl which was bs :D |
... That post was unintelligible. What were you saying that Nintendo's suppose to be saying?
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I know people rip the game, but it seems like they put actual effort into it to make it different.
Here's what I think: Screw RSE, Screw DPP (Ilu Johto) this is where the Pokemon Saga continues, they changed jack **** in gens 3 and 4, bw will be the best by far, because its not the same crap every single time. GOOD DAY. |
If they didn't change anything then people would complain about them not being original... you can't please everyone, and like every other company they want to evolve, and we as th fans have to evolve with them...
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Gen 3 didn't screw anything up they brought more things in for competitive battles Natures and abilities. Gen 4 just brought the characteristics and that's it.
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YOUR EYES who said that was a bad thing? They're both creatures so shouldn't that not matter? Saying they look like digimon sounds like an excuse to justify that you don't like them. P.S. The Japanese make the games In THEIR OWN language first, do you really think they are gonna wait months to translate the english one just to "make fair",no...because that would be ridiculous. |
You can't say Pokemon look like Digimon due to Pokemon coming first. So you have to say Digimon look like Pokemon.
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What I find funny about all of the complaining about "new features that are ruining pokemon as a whole" is that no one complained about the multiplayer features in GSC or the Telephone, or the new bag system. No one complained about the Wireless in FrLg, or the Pokemon Contests in RSE. Could it be that everyone is over analyzing this all? I'm as much guilty as the rest of us for the one fact that everyone is over analyzing Pokemon. I've followed 2 or 3 series' for a while. Pokemon BW, Halo Reach, and Fallout New Vegas. Vegas, everyone's stoked because its the same game, no prob there... Reach, there are some radical changes, but everyone trusts Bungie enough to believe that this game is gonna rock. Pokemon on the other hand, it seems like everyone's freakin and busting their lids because your main menu looks different. Can we not complain so much and just be the loyal little buggers that we are and trust GF and Nintendo to produce a great game like they've been doing since 1995?
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HG/SS looked liked the perfect, refined Pokémon game: it found the balance between traditional Pokémon games and modern technologies and gameplay. B&W however seem a lot less refined, even unless the 'fabulous' 3D technology. For example: the dream world: what the heck? Is paranormality now a way of linking?! I want Bill and his Global Links! You said some Pokés look more like digimon: that was exactly what I thought when I saw some. Especially the little orange Mew-like legend. Some positive words however: Some Pokémon look very good, and look very much like the old skool Kanto Pokés, for example the elec.zebra, en croco and the gray bird. |
The reason the old games were the way they were is because that's the technology that was available then. If Pokemon had been first made during the GBA period, it would have started with GBA graphics. Things get updated as more technology is available. I'm very excited about the new features.
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I for one have been clamoring for change for a while here :P. This is starting to look better... although I must say I hate some of the new Pokemon with a passion (that sarcophagus one?! Really?!). I might just have to pick these up now, seeing all these new features.
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It's called progess!
Pokemon has evolved. cwatididthur |
Things change that's the way of life. heck we all used to be apes look at us now.
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But yeah, you have a good point. |
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And I even used a 'Silly' smile! |
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I completely understand why someone would get flustered by all of these new features. In a way, GF did not make a very wise decision by keeping pokemon so static for so long, then throwing a bunch of new improvements at us at once. I really can't wrap my head around the games yet, but I'm excited to play them so I can understand exactly how all the new additions work in relation to the game. However, most features seem to be aimed towards minigames and etc., not necessarily in-game attachments. For the most part, our pokemon experience won't be TOO different from past games-- I mean, they're part of the same franchise. Besides moving sprites, speech bubbles, better graphics, and triple battles, I believe all new features are optional and are not required for the main story line. (besides, if you dislike moving sprites and camera angles, I'm sure you can turn them off)
Earlier you asked where "the black and white 2-D pokemon games went"... Well they're in the past, where they should be. Why would any game developer keep the sketchy graphics of fifteen years ago when the technology is available today? Who would buy a game these days that wasn't in full color? The 3-D aspects are for a more realistic experience. Please take off your nostalgia goggles. I don't say that often but in this case it really applies. Someone who still wants games to be the same as fifteen years ago needs to check themselves. |
Wow Op, Want me to call the WAAAAAAAAmbulance??
Shut up! Whingers gonna whinge... I am sick to death of these threads Op: OMFG NEU POKMONZ SUCK CUZ NOT 2D WIF BLACK N WITE GRAFIC shut up. why isn't this thread blocked? all the other whinging threads have been blocked :S |
"OMG DUDE POKEMON FIVE GENERATIONS ALL THE SAME ASDFGHJKL SO LAME CHANGE IT!"
"OMG DUDE POKEMON FIVE GEN CHANGED SO MUCH ASDFGHJKL DON'T CHANGE IT!" |
^WTF
blocking a thread? I believe it is locking a thread. And whinging should be whining xD |
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also go look up the definition of whinging. |
To tell the absolute truth,
After I've kept an open mind and let some Pokemon sink in, I really love everything about Gen V. (And please tell me I'm not the only one excited for having Pokemon that move like they're real in battle and musicals) Triple battles and rotation battles are a very interesting concept, and it actually does refresh battling ideas. I think some are just not letting new ideas allow to exist, who knows, you might like everything in the end. |
I was introduced to PokeGaming in the 3rd Gen. Rings a bell ? WIND OF CHANGE ?!
Yes. I adapted to changes from gen to gen, understood that Sceptile needed Giga Drain and not Leaf Blade. I you don't like the changes, you are invited to leave the Pokemon phenomena. There will always be haters, but I am tired of them. :( |
the new pokemon kinda look like fakemon
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I've yet to see anything that made me disappointed with this pair of games. The only thing that gave me a small hint of doubt was the idea of triple battles, but as I've not gotten used to that, I probably will eventually. All of the new features seem really cool to me, to make the game more worldwide.
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You know what I think will answer your question? Team Rocket.
Team Rocket has appeared in every generation, I'm hoping they'll appear halfway through the game to crush Team Plasma and be an evil team that is actually evil, I haven't liked much of what I've seen of Black and White, but it the Rockets returned, I should be happy =D Also, couldn't they have thought of better names than Black and White? I think Ebony and Ivory would have been better choices. |
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Really? Too mcuh like the McCartney song. INSTA LAW SUIT POWERS, ACTVATE!! |
I Wish all the B&W would just stop your hating isnt gonna do anything except getting on people's nerves I for one, cannot wait for the Triple and Rotational Battles and I dont think
Surf/E-Quake/Explosion ect... will wipe out half your team it's called Tactics ... and Rilence is right, what are they supposed to look like... ! |
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is there a poll?
somebody should make one and we will see who likes the awesome, amazing, fabulous, fantastic, cool, scorching hot, brand spanking new GENERATION 5 POKEMON games. and who doesn't. my bet? the people who actually appreciate pokemon and aren't afraid of change will win. |
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True, but I can see someone kicking up a fuss and calling the current titles racist, over-sensitive person used Race Card! It's not very effective... |
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I think people should have an option but just tone down their level of hate :) |
I say lose the pokeshifter, and you got a great new game. It is what it is, though, so I can deal. It'll still be awesome.
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Most of these features are stupid they could have done a lot better. Hopefully they did because im not impressed with anything ive seen. The only things good are the music the new battle graphics and the new camera angle in hiun town. Its like theyre just throwing in random garbage to say "hey its not the same anymore" so that their fanboys and girls will help buy them brand new boats.
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I have a few things to say, the graphics look choppy @ the battle sprites and the textures on the sub 3D overworld. The animations means most frames don't have to have a tidy border anymore, so still images will look bad...and anyone who has tried resizing sprites knows that pixelated looks better then the smooth version. Also the textures sot of jump off the models when moving because the DS wasn't made for heavy 3D plain and simple.
In the end, it's an awesome looking game and I'm looking forward to it, so to everyone who says otherwise. http://pix.motivatedphotos.com/2009/11/15/633938817485449765-CHANGE.jpg |
@ Charizardomination: define better. I just want your opinion is all.
I think, as a second generation for the DS, they've done fine. And it's not heavy 3D. It's altered camera angles, but basically the same as 4th Generation, only navigation is not confined to a square grid anymore. They seem to be mastering the use of a polar grid for gameplay as well. And I think Team Rocket has been squashed. Isshu is nowhere near Kanto, Johto, Hoenn and Sinnoh, so I don't think it would even make sense that TR, after being disbanded for the final time (in the games), would make a return. |
If everyone's so mad about the new changes, just don't get B&W and go back to playing R/G/B/Y on your Gameboy. Nothing wrong with that. It's not like making these new ones makes the classics unusable. I still play my Yellow version!
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You're right about that one.
I think the overhaul suits the game, and for once everyone that plays is making new discoveries. That, IMO, is very "pokemon". XD The names as colors may be referencing the new start of the series, much like RBY was. Sort of an analogy, I guess. I can't fathom how many generations they'll go with this franchise.... |
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They want to give the game more of a 3d feel but theyre too stupid to wait a couple months to design a 3ds launch title which would have made the game look better overall. The battle sprites are absolute garbage and these are the worst pokemon designs in the history of the franchise. Everything is spherical and stupid, they look like they were designed by my 8 year old litte cousin. The whole cast of pokemon looks like some awful jigsaw puzzle assembled the wrong way. Unforttunately the bad is outshining the good. |
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