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redsaber5859 August 1st, 2010 10:34 AM

Black & White, Pokemon or not?
 
I have seen many changes, and they are disturbing me as it is hardly like the old games, what happened to a 2-d black and white Kanto? Now we have 2.75-D full color, rotating camera, 600 pokemon, and triple battles.

Now what do you say? I know that GAMEFREAK Inc. will do anything to keep customers, but seriously, some things are bad.

Lets take a look at the new features:
http://a.imageshack.us/img821/5459/20100801112229152x296.pngThis is a Serebii.net screenshot, first off, the new pokemon, many say look like digimon or 10-minute sprites. This is also how we felt about Gen IV so it shouldnt concern much.

Isshu's art is interesting, it has no resemblence to the others and it is far away, which furthers that these are hardly Pokemon games

Oh god, the new battle system. TRIPLE BATTLES-surf/EQ/Muddy water/explosion-half of your team gone. for gods sake leave triple battles to fossil fighters. ROTATION BATTLES-Im in competitive battling, and I know that this will be hell on earth.

To make that better-VGC, the japanese will have months experience, while we will have ONE month eperience. No brainer on the finals

The version differences i like, however we have never seen that great of a difference before have we?

The C-Gear is seeming good, but it looks like crap. I mean, why Hexagonal shapes? it seems confusing to me, but i like the idea.

The pokeshifter, in POKEMON why combine whac-a-mole with archery? It was better when you CAUGHT your pokemon not SHOT them

PS. the sprites, they are EXTREMELY pixelated in my opinion, however i like the fact that they move, hopefully its in a manner similar to battle Rev where they also move when hit.

the rest of it you can figure out yourself

~Red

Thingula August 1st, 2010 10:38 AM

I love the idea of these changes as much as I loved all the others. I've played all versions of Pokémon, and am happy with these improvements. :) As I look for a more interesting and complex experience, Game Freak keeps providing it.

Agent Clank August 1st, 2010 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redsaber5859 (Post 6025662)
I have seen many changes, and they are disturbing me as it is hardly like the old games, what happened to a 2-d black and white Kanto? Now we have 2.75-D full color, rotating camera, 600 pokemon, and triple battles.

Now what do you say? I know that GAMEFREAK Inc. will do anything to keep customers, but seriously, some things are bad.

Lets take a look at the new features:
http://a.imageshack.us/img821/5459/20100801112229152x296.pngThis is a Serebii.net screenshot, first off, the new pokemon, many say look like digimon or 10-minute sprites. This is also how we felt about Gen IV so it shouldnt concern much.

Isshu's art is interesting, it has no resemblence to the others and it is far away, which furthers that these are hardly Pokemon games

Oh god, the new battle system. TRIPLE BATTLES-surf/EQ/Muddy water/explosion-half of your team gone. for gods sake leave triple battles to fossil fighters. ROTATION BATTLES-Im in competitive battling, and I know that this will be hell on earth.

To make that better-VGC, the japanese will have months experience, while we will have ONE month eperience. No brainer on the finals

The version differences i like, however we have never seen that great of a difference before have we?

The C-Gear is seeming good, but it looks like crap. I mean, why Hexagonal shapes? it seems confusing to me, but i like the idea.

The pokeshifter, in POKEMON why combine whac-a-mole with archery? It was better when you CAUGHT your pokemon not SHOT them

PS. the sprites, they are EXTREMELY pixelated in my opinion, however i like the fact that they move, hopefully its in a manner similar to battle Rev where they also move when hit.

the rest of it you can figure out yourself

~Red

Well I love all the new features.
they are great in my opinion and I can't wait to play and find out what all I can do with them. and you don't actually shoot them you throw Pokeballs at them with a Bow. Its just like catching a normal Pokemon but a little more difficult because they can move and you can miss. I love the idea of Triple Battles also,they seem like they will be fun because I loved and still love Double Battles and Isshu is supposed to look different or the fans would get bored and quit playing the games. sometimes change is good and this time it is,it is good to have something different after awhile.
so I think its a good idea that there putting in new features.

Niño. August 1st, 2010 10:45 AM

I know many people who complain because Pokémon is always the same..

GunSaberSeraph August 1st, 2010 11:11 AM

Its called a sequel. Adding features to make it different from its predecessors is sort of the point.

dieter57 August 1st, 2010 11:18 AM

i like all the new features except triple battles.

Niño. August 1st, 2010 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dieter57 (Post 6025735)
i like all the new features except triple battles.

I think the triple battles make the game more realistic...

GFA August 1st, 2010 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Niño. (Post 6025740)
I think the triple battles make the game more realistic...

I dont, but it adds more strategy, and Im all for that.

Cjdamon042 August 1st, 2010 11:23 AM

Still looks like a Pokemon game to me. Admittedly I was a bit annoyed at the whole triple battles thing, but I'm good with it now. And yeah, Pokemon designs are crazy this time around but I'll get used to them.

The pixelated Pokemon though is due to how the battle screen works. All Pokemon are created at their standard resolution and if you were to rip them from the game, they'd look like they do on current games; normal size. But since the camera moves around in battle, they end up becoming a tad pixelated. Now personally, I think they should have altered either the sprites, the sprite positions or the battle screen to ensure that your Pokemon looked fine when the camera is in it's default position, but only pixelated when the camera shifted position for attacks or whatever. But they haven't, so we'll just have to get used to pixelated Pokemon. Yes it looks untidy, especially with 6 Pokemon on the screen at once, but having watched the videos, I've sort of ignored it since everything looks fast and fantastic.

dieter57 August 1st, 2010 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Niño. (Post 6025740)
I think the triple battles make the game more realistic...

how is battling with three pokemon at a time realistic?
please explain

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire August 1st, 2010 11:32 AM

I like all the new features and the updated 3D of the Game :). I beleive these Changes were needed to make it different than gen 4 ;)

Niño. August 1st, 2010 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dieter57 (Post 6025748)
how is battling with three pokemon at a time realistic?
please explain

...in relation to the manga and anime.

GFA August 1st, 2010 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Niño. (Post 6025774)
...in relation to the manga and anime.

Thats not realistic by any dictionary definition, though, it is reminiscent of the manga and anime ...

dieter57 August 1st, 2010 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Niño. (Post 6025774)
...in relation to the manga and anime.

and again, how is either one of those REALISTIC?
do you see kids walking around with with a pokemon and challenging other people in REAL life?
no, i didn't think so.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire August 1st, 2010 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Niño. (Post 6025774)
...in relation to the manga and anime.

Yeah it is in a way a lot to the manga and Anime in that aspect :)

GFA August 1st, 2010 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dieter57 (Post 6025802)
and again, how is either one of those REALISTIC?
do you see kids walking around with with a pokemon and challenging other people in REAL life?
no, i didn't think so.

Get off his case. He mixed his words up. The manga has been called the true spirit of Pokemon. Meaning that Black and White have gone a step further in making it the best Pokemon can be.

Niño. August 1st, 2010 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dieter57 (Post 6025802)
and again, how is either one of those REALISTIC?
do you see kids walking around with with a pokemon and challenging other people in REAL life?
no, i didn't think so.

Okay, you win. It would be realistic if the anime and manga were real life.

P.D: Sorry for my bad english, I'm spanish.

dieter57 August 1st, 2010 11:52 AM

i'm not on his case, but if it seemed that way sorry.
i'm just saying pokemon becoming realistic to me would be like the new rumored weather changeing, or like you would have to feed your Pokemon actual food.
those kinds of stuff.
not the games becoming more like the manga.

EDIT: didn't know you weren't great at english Nino. sorry

Rengoku August 1st, 2010 11:53 AM

OHPWEASE NOT THE OMFG NEW GEN POKEYMANz LOOK LIKE DIGIMANz AGAIN.

Can I ask you 2 questions? If you can, you win.

1) What SHOULD Pokemon looks like?
2) What SHOULD Digimon looks like?

Was there ever a rule? Answer this, thanks.

Complain king, don't like the new game? Simple, I've said this a time to many, don't buy. No one cares if you're whining about it.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire August 1st, 2010 12:21 PM

What Rilence said is true, I wish the whining will stop...though maybe they are whining cuz they will buy it anyways :P

redsaber5859 August 1st, 2010 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rilence (Post 6025845)
OHPWEASE NOT THE OMFG NEW GEN POKEYMANz LOOK LIKE DIGIMANz AGAIN.

Can I ask you 2 questions? If you can, you win.

1) What SHOULD Pokemon looks like?
Normal alter-animal cool things
2) What SHOULD Digimon looks like?
Retarted pokemon rip-offs with wings

Was there ever a rule? Answer this, thanks.

Complain king, don't like the new game? Simple, I've said this a time to many, don't buy. No one cares if you're whining about it.

answered your questions, this thread is not for flame wars, it is to point out the differences, and i dont like some of them

Quote:

Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 6025952)
What Rilence said is true, I wish the whining will stop...though maybe they are whining cuz they will buy it anyways :P

Yeah XD we will buy them, I do cuz i love the series and I cant live without battling lol, and in september, all battlings going to B&W XD

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire August 1st, 2010 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redsaber5859 (Post 6025969)
answered your questions, this thread is not for flame wars, it is to point out the differences, and i dont like some of them

Well everyone has an opinion but I don't really see why you don't like them though :/

redsaber5859 August 1st, 2010 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 6025976)

Well everyone has an opinion but I don't really see why you don't like them though :/

well, frankly i dont really like Gen IV, and diamond was my first DS game ever!

BTW how do you set the text so every post is like that?

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire August 1st, 2010 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redsaber5859 (Post 6025981)
well, frankly i dont really like Gen IV, and diamond was my first DS game ever!

BTW how do you set the text so every post is like that?

Well this is generation V not IV...
Offtopic: what do you mean?

Alyssachu August 1st, 2010 12:30 PM

I'm honestly not too bothered by it, but then again I am not an avid, die-hard fan of Pokemon gaming. Hah! I like change and updated graphics when new series of games come out. I don't really have a problem with it at all! So long as not EVERY new Pokemon looks like some bad-ass wannabe Digimon. I mean they shoulddd still keep several cute ones in there, right? :P ... And I just enjoy the new graphics. Well... we'll see once I play the game.

GFA August 1st, 2010 12:31 PM

He means in Red

Gen V looks better then III and IV combined if you ask me. And well, neither were that bad.

Zeta Sukuna August 1st, 2010 12:32 PM

Here we go... Smugleaf's (Don't flame me for using this name, I happen to like it.) take on this.


Pic by YattaroSB
And that's about it for my opinion on this. I like the new stuff, it adds in some variety. And it isn't the same thing over and over.

WarpstarX August 1st, 2010 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dieter57 (Post 6025748)
how is battling with three pokemon at a time realistic?
please explain

In real life would you really fight with just one pokemon vs one pokemon
ALL THE TIME!!! no you wouldn't because that would become monotonous and old.

orange discontent August 1st, 2010 12:37 PM

Blargh, annoying nostalgia fantards. We know you'll end up buying the game anyway because it's Pokemon. If you really aren't going to buy the games, why bother complaining?

Quote:

Originally Posted by dieter75
and again, how is either one of those REALISTIC?
do you see kids walking around with with a pokemon and challenging other people in REAL life?
no, i didn't think so.

I hate it when people say "oh it's fiction/fantasy it's not supposed to be realistic." What a cop-out.

Quote:

Originally Posted by warpstarx
In real life would you really fight with just one pokemon vs one pokemon
ALL THE TIME!!! no you wouldn't because that would become monotonous and old.

What's worse is they can only use one move (out of FOUR!) after the other, lol.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire August 1st, 2010 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeta Dimentio (Post 6025994)
Here we go... Smugleaf's (Don't flame me for using this name, I happen to like it.) take on this.


Pic by YattaroSB
And that's about it for my opinion on this. I like the new stuff, it adds in some variety. And it isn't the same thing over and over.

Yeah I think that as well :P.
We can't really say it's better game play wise compared to gen 3 or 4 but it is looking that way :P

Jaiyke August 1st, 2010 1:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeta Dimentio (Post 6025994)
Here we go... Smugleaf's (Don't flame me for using this name, I happen to like it.) take on this.


Pic by YattaroSB
And that's about it for my opinion on this. I like the new stuff, it adds in some variety. And it isn't the same thing over and over.

omfhs!... i dunno you... but i love you for this xDD and the person who drew it too xD


What I don't get on the whole "Design" part of it

When Ononokusu came out ALOT of people said OMFG!! it's tooooo overdrawn!
but NOW when the new Deer and Stork came out people are saying they're too freakin plain...
and some of them are the SAME people that made the earlier comment

-sigh- most of us here on PC are older Teens... and the Fact Remains, this game was not made for us
but for the kids.. if it impresses them Gamefreak Wins >.>;

orange discontent August 1st, 2010 1:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaiyke
-sigh- most of us here on PC are older Teens... and the Fact Remains, this game was not made for us
but for the kids.. if it impresses them Gamefreak Wins >.>;

I was thinking the opposite. The PCs are older to attract the original 1996 audience that is growing or has grown up.

GFA August 1st, 2010 1:50 PM

I dunno. More and more little kids are thinking Pokemon's nerdy. Its still popular though. If they can get little kids, and grab some (of us) Teens, that'd be the best they can do.

Pokemafia August 1st, 2010 2:03 PM

many say look like digimon or 10-minute sprites

I strongly agree, these b&w pokes look cheap

and I share your dislike for the 3v3 battle system, it's screw up the vgc BADLY, I hope they keep the vgc 2v2

dieter57 August 1st, 2010 2:05 PM

my girlfriends 6 year old brother saw me playing pokemon and said i was a nerd.
i asked him what he liked to play.
he said COD.
i said aren't you a little young to be blowing some guys head off?
he said aren't you a little old for pokemon?
point taken i said.

pokemon is targeted for younger players, but younger players are playing games targeted for older players.
madness

Jaiyke August 1st, 2010 2:05 PM

well yeah true... =P i'm impressed that's for sure...
but what i'm trying to get at is people should try to break their Consistence Shell
and look at things for the better instead of for the worst...
but people will be people so... =)

Cheesymitten August 1st, 2010 2:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redsaber5859 (Post 6025662)
The C-Gear is seeming good, but it looks like crap. I mean, why Hexagonal shapes? it seems confusing to me, but i like the idea.

Head~

C gear is customisable.
FYI.
Just wanted to also point that out.
Well it might be.
Unless you want to be a girl and have heart shapes?

GFA August 1st, 2010 3:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dieter57 (Post 6026292)
my girlfriends 6 year old brother saw me playing pokemon and said i was a nerd.
i asked him what he liked to play.
he said COD.
i said aren't you a little young to be blowing some guys head off?
he said aren't you a little old for pokemon?
point taken i said.

pokemon is targeted for younger players, but younger players are playing games targeted for older players.
madness

Id kick that kid in the head repeatedly if I was you.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pokemafia (Post 6026288)
many say look like digimon or 10-minute sprites

I strongly agree, these b&w pokes look cheap

and I share your dislike for the 3v3 battle system, it's screw up the vgc BADLY, I hope they keep the vgc 2v2

Man, you try to do that ****. You couldnt pull it off in 3 hours.

Father-nature August 1st, 2010 3:09 PM

I think that 4 gen was the end of the line, seriously. this is just to much, i don't like the idea of triple battles, double battles were fun.
And why make another gear!? why not just keep the pokégear? And the new pokemon... i don't like them, they remind me more of digimon now. What I think is this is simply becoming to much.

dieter57 August 1st, 2010 3:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Haowakeorden (Post 6026570)
We've still got the Pokémon name.
We've still got Pokémon battles.
We've still got the kinds of extra features that have come with every good-quality Pokémon game since Red and Green.
etc...

Yes, I think Pokémon Black and White are still Pokémon games.

i couldn't of said it any better my self.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire August 1st, 2010 3:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Father-nature (Post 6026523)
I think that 4 gen was the end of the line, seriously. this is just to much, i don't like the idea of triple battles, double battles were fun.
And why make another gear!? why not just keep the pokégear? And the new pokemon... i don't like them, they remind me more of digimon now. What I think is this is simply becoming to much.

Hey some of us just happen to like Digimon thank you very much :P.
Well I think people should try it before the diss it

dragon0fangz August 1st, 2010 3:37 PM

(oh god not another one)
yeah youre right. its not pokemon, its a REVOLUTION. If you dont like it, then dont get it. be happy playing the past generations.

Oh yeah, and i actually love the idea of rotational battles. think of using 12 moves instead of 4, and always being ready, and having to deal with many different situations. It seems cool to me, i dont know about you nostalgia buffs. >_>

Åzurε August 1st, 2010 5:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 6026610)

Hey some of us just happen to like Digimon thank you very much :P.
Well I think people should try it before the diss it

People will say it's unoriginal, among other things. I like Digimon, but it was a bit too... How do I want to say this? Odd.

Quote:

Originally Posted by dieter57 (Post 6026292)
madness

sparta

To reiterate: don't like, don't buy/don't complain before release. You can spout your opinion, just don't be a whiny old man about it. It's not ruined FOREVER unless it singlehandedly kills the series. Etc., etc.

Rotational battles seem fun.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire August 1st, 2010 6:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dragon0fangz (Post 6026627)
(oh god not another one)
yeah youre right. its not pokemon, its a REVOLUTION. If you dont like it, then dont get it. be happy playing the past generations.

Oh yeah, and i actually love the idea of rotational battles. think of using 12 moves instead of 4, and always being ready, and having to deal with many different situations. It seems cool to me, i dont know about you nostalgia buffs. >_>

Yeah I agree, I also loved the idea of 3 vs. 3 before we even had that much info on them :).

GFA August 1st, 2010 6:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 6027093)

Yeah I agree, I also loved the idea of 3 vs. 3 before we even had that much info on them :).

Me too. Who wants a 6 on 6 battle? lol

Zeturic August 1st, 2010 6:13 PM

Are Black and White different? Yes.
Is that a bad thing? No.

It's that simple.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire August 1st, 2010 7:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GFA (Post 6027096)
Me too. Who wants a 6 on 6 battle? lol

lol, by gen 7 we should have 4 on 4, by gen 9 we should have 5 on 5, and by gen 11 we should 6 on 6 :P At least according to the pattern...

GFA August 1st, 2010 7:44 PM

I actually hope this is the second to last ... o.O

dragon0fangz August 1st, 2010 7:45 PM

O_o wow. if there was a gen 11 im sure i would be bushed. i'd be like 60 something.

also, to summarize redsaber's rant, pokemon is ruined FOREVER!

Bamboo Basara August 1st, 2010 7:47 PM

2D black and white Kanto wouldn't sell now-a-days. There's no way they would get away with selling 5 generations of the same game.
I welcome the changes, they're fine by me.

Agent Clank August 1st, 2010 7:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 6026610)
Hey some of us just happen to like Digimon thank you very much :P.
Well I think people should try it before the diss it

I couldn't have said it any better!
Good Job Magma! :D

Planetes. August 1st, 2010 8:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redsaber5859 (Post 6025662)
I have seen many changes, and they are disturbing me as it is hardly like the old games, what happened to a 2-d black and white Kanto? Now we have 2.75-D full color, rotating camera, 600 pokemon, and triple battles.

Now what do you say? I know that GAMEFREAK Inc. will do anything to keep customers, but seriously, some things are bad.

Lets take a look at the new features:
http://a.imageshack.us/img821/5459/20100801112229152x296.pngThis is a Serebii.net screenshot, first off, the new pokemon, many say look like digimon or 10-minute sprites. This is also how we felt about Gen IV so it shouldnt concern much.

Isshu's art is interesting, it has no resemblence to the others and it is far away, which furthers that these are hardly Pokemon games

Oh god, the new battle system. TRIPLE BATTLES-surf/EQ/Muddy water/explosion-half of your team gone. for gods sake leave triple battles to fossil fighters. ROTATION BATTLES-Im in competitive battling, and I know that this will be hell on earth.

To make that better-VGC, the japanese will have months experience, while we will have ONE month eperience. No brainer on the finals

The version differences i like, however we have never seen that great of a difference before have we?

The C-Gear is seeming good, but it looks like crap. I mean, why Hexagonal shapes? it seems confusing to me, but i like the idea.

The pokeshifter, in POKEMON why combine whac-a-mole with archery? It was better when you CAUGHT your pokemon not SHOT them

PS. the sprites, they are EXTREMELY pixelated in my opinion, however i like the fact that they move, hopefully its in a manner similar to battle Rev where they also move when hit.

the rest of it you can figure out yourself

~Red

nice fossil fighters reference!


anyway...

Me: Alright a new game, I guess I'll buy it...
Nintendo: Oh, Hai, we've actually been making you 35 bucks for 150 pokeymanz and a region, but now we r tryin to achely make teh game differin and werth byin unlike dimend n perl which was bs :D

GFA August 1st, 2010 8:12 PM

... That post was unintelligible. What were you saying that Nintendo's suppose to be saying?

Planetes. August 1st, 2010 8:14 PM

I know people rip the game, but it seems like they put actual effort into it to make it different.

Here's what I think: Screw RSE, Screw DPP (Ilu Johto)
this is where the Pokemon Saga continues, they changed jack **** in gens 3 and 4, bw will be the best by far, because its not the same crap every single time. GOOD DAY.

Haza August 1st, 2010 8:39 PM

If they didn't change anything then people would complain about them not being original... you can't please everyone, and like every other company they want to evolve, and we as th fans have to evolve with them...

rocky505 August 1st, 2010 9:20 PM

Gen 3 didn't screw anything up they brought more things in for competitive battles Natures and abilities. Gen 4 just brought the characteristics and that's it.

WarpstarX August 1st, 2010 9:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redsaber5859 (Post 6025662)
I have seen many changes, and they are disturbing me as it is hardly like the old games, what happened to a 2-d black and white Kanto? Now we have 2.75-D full color, rotating camera, 600 pokemon, and triple battles.

Now what do you say? I know that GAMEFREAK Inc. will do anything to keep customers, but seriously, some things are bad.

Lets take a look at the new features:
http://a.imageshack.us/img821/5459/20100801112229152x296.pngThis is a Serebii.net screenshot, first off, the new pokemon, many say look like digimon or 10-minute sprites. This is also how we felt about Gen IV so it shouldnt concern much.

Isshu's art is interesting, it has no resemblence to the others and it is far away, which furthers that these are hardly Pokemon games

Oh god, the new battle system. TRIPLE BATTLES-surf/EQ/Muddy water/explosion-half of your team gone. for gods sake leave triple battles to fossil fighters. ROTATION BATTLES-Im in competitive battling, and I know that this will be hell on earth.

To make that better-VGC, the japanese will have months experience, while we will have ONE month eperience. No brainer on the finals

The version differences i like, however we have never seen that great of a difference before have we?

The C-Gear is seeming good, but it looks like crap. I mean, why Hexagonal shapes? it seems confusing to me, but i like the idea.

The pokeshifter, in POKEMON why combine whac-a-mole with archery? It was better when you CAUGHT your pokemon not SHOT them

PS. the sprites, they are EXTREMELY pixelated in my opinion, however i like the fact that they move, hopefully its in a manner similar to battle Rev where they also move when hit.

the rest of it you can figure out yourself

~Red

So you're saying game freak should release the same 8-bit game with NO NEW pokemon NO NEW features none the less on the Nintendo DS?!? No. Just no besides what the hell separates a pokemon from a digimon because I don't see it. Even if they do look like digimon IN
YOUR EYES who said that was a bad thing? They're both creatures so shouldn't that not matter? Saying they look like digimon sounds like an excuse to justify that you don't like them. P.S. The Japanese make the games In THEIR OWN language first, do you really think they are gonna wait months to translate the english one just to "make fair",no...because that would be ridiculous.

rocky505 August 1st, 2010 9:31 PM

You can't say Pokemon look like Digimon due to Pokemon coming first. So you have to say Digimon look like Pokemon.

[email protected]! August 1st, 2010 10:01 PM

What I find funny about all of the complaining about "new features that are ruining pokemon as a whole" is that no one complained about the multiplayer features in GSC or the Telephone, or the new bag system. No one complained about the Wireless in FrLg, or the Pokemon Contests in RSE. Could it be that everyone is over analyzing this all? I'm as much guilty as the rest of us for the one fact that everyone is over analyzing Pokemon. I've followed 2 or 3 series' for a while. Pokemon BW, Halo Reach, and Fallout New Vegas. Vegas, everyone's stoked because its the same game, no prob there... Reach, there are some radical changes, but everyone trusts Bungie enough to believe that this game is gonna rock. Pokemon on the other hand, it seems like everyone's freakin and busting their lids because your main menu looks different. Can we not complain so much and just be the loyal little buggers that we are and trust GF and Nintendo to produce a great game like they've been doing since 1995?

NoRealName August 2nd, 2010 3:37 AM

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Originally Posted by redsaber5859 (Post 6025662)
This is a Serebii.net screenshot, first off, the new pokemon, many say look like digimon or 10-minute sprites. This is also how we felt about Gen IV so it shouldnt concern much.

So.. The Pokémon look like well detailed Digimon (that's how I see a Digimon, more detail) and really plain looking? (I.E 10-minute sprites..) You want a 20-minute sprite instead of the '10-minute' and '30-minute' sprites they currently do? Oh.. Then here: http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/b/b7/Meguroko.png


Isshu's art is interesting, it has no resemblence to the others and it is far away, which furthers that these are hardly Pokemon games

Ok.. Then I guess Sushi in America shouldn't be called Sushi. Seeing as how it's far away from Japan.. It's hardly sushi then.. I bet it has no real resemblance to sushi, kinda like Chinese Restaurants isn't the same as in China.
Ok, I came with a bad example, but the statement you made above is just plain ridiculous.


Oh god, the new battle system. TRIPLE BATTLES-surf/EQ/Muddy water/explosion-half of your team gone. for gods sake leave triple battles to fossil fighters. ROTATION BATTLES-Im in competitive battling, and I know that this will be hell on earth.

I don't really care for competitive battling, so I can't comment this. Rotation battles will make the battles more fun for me..

To make that better-VGC, the japanese will have months experience, while we will have ONE month eperience. No brainer on the finals

Hasn't it ALWAYS been like that? I assume that it's some kind of competition..

The version differences i like, however we have never seen that great of a difference before have we?

Oh you're just afraid of change?

The C-Gear is seeming good, but it looks like crap. I mean, why Hexagonal shapes? it seems confusing to me, but i like the idea.

Because they didn't want to use a triangle?

The pokeshifter, in POKEMON why combine whac-a-mole with archery? It was better when you CAUGHT your pokemon not SHOT them

Maybe it was better.. But might not have been more fun - besides you still catch them normally outside of the Pokéshifter..

PS. the sprites, they are EXTREMELY pixelated in my opinion, however i like the fact that they move, hopefully its in a manner similar to battle Rev where they also move when hit.

Can't comment on them being pixelated, as I don't really care, besides, there's probably some kind of setting to make the camera not move around. That means they will be less pixelated..

Answers are in bold text. I'm all for change myself.

Dr. POP August 2nd, 2010 4:01 AM

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Originally Posted by redsaber5859 (Post 6025662)
I have seen many changes, and they are disturbing me as it is hardly like the old games, what happened to a 2-d black and white Kanto? Now we have 2.75-D full color, rotating camera, 600 pokemon, and triple battles.

Now what do you say? I know that GAMEFREAK Inc. will do anything to keep customers, but seriously, some things are bad.

Lets take a look at the new features:
http://a.imageshack.us/img821/5459/20100801112229152x296.pngThis is a Serebii.net screenshot, first off, the new pokemon, many say look like digimon or 10-minute sprites. This is also how we felt about Gen IV so it shouldnt concern much.

Isshu's art is interesting, it has no resemblence to the others and it is far away, which furthers that these are hardly Pokemon games

Oh god, the new battle system. TRIPLE BATTLES-surf/EQ/Muddy water/explosion-half of your team gone. for gods sake leave triple battles to fossil fighters. ROTATION BATTLES-Im in competitive battling, and I know that this will be hell on earth.

To make that better-VGC, the japanese will have months experience, while we will have ONE month eperience. No brainer on the finals

The version differences i like, however we have never seen that great of a difference before have we?

The C-Gear is seeming good, but it looks like crap. I mean, why Hexagonal shapes? it seems confusing to me, but i like the idea.

The pokeshifter, in POKEMON why combine whac-a-mole with archery? It was better when you CAUGHT your pokemon not SHOT them

PS. the sprites, they are EXTREMELY pixelated in my opinion, however i like the fact that they move, hopefully its in a manner similar to battle Rev where they also move when hit.

the rest of it you can figure out yourself

~Red

I (almost) completely agree with you! Up until Gen IV the games looked like upgraded, better version. Now Gamefreak just really changes things, and breaks tradition. Isshu not being in Japan anymore, but just made up is really disturbing to me. And what happened to the wonderfull (Sugimori?) art of the region we got to see every time. This map is just a bland an quick drawing. (Is it me, or are there hardly towns in Isshu?)

HG/SS looked liked the perfect, refined Pokémon game: it found the balance between traditional Pokémon games and modern technologies and gameplay. B&W however seem a lot less refined, even unless the 'fabulous' 3D technology. For example: the dream world: what the heck? Is paranormality now a way of linking?! I want Bill and his Global Links!

You said some Pokés look more like digimon: that was exactly what I thought when I saw some. Especially the little orange Mew-like legend.

Some positive words however: Some Pokémon look very good, and look very much like the old skool Kanto Pokés, for example the elec.zebra, en croco and the gray bird.

rockman0 August 2nd, 2010 4:23 AM

The reason the old games were the way they were is because that's the technology that was available then. If Pokemon had been first made during the GBA period, it would have started with GBA graphics. Things get updated as more technology is available. I'm very excited about the new features.

big NATE alpha August 2nd, 2010 4:29 AM

I for one have been clamoring for change for a while here :P. This is starting to look better... although I must say I hate some of the new Pokemon with a passion (that sarcophagus one?! Really?!). I might just have to pick these up now, seeing all these new features.

MrGnawty August 2nd, 2010 4:55 AM

It's called progess!

Pokemon has evolved.

cwatididthur

rocky505 August 2nd, 2010 5:15 AM

Things change that's the way of life. heck we all used to be apes look at us now.

GFA August 2nd, 2010 5:21 AM

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Originally Posted by rocky505 (Post 6028224)
Things change that's the way of life. heck we all used to be apes look at us now.

Well, not us personally ... But yeah. lol

rocky505 August 2nd, 2010 5:23 AM

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Originally Posted by GFA (Post 6028235)
Well, not us personally ... But yeah. lol

I didn't mean us that way I meant humans from the past,present, and future.

NoRealName August 2nd, 2010 6:19 AM

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Originally Posted by rocky505 (Post 6028240)
I didn't mean us that way I meant humans from the past,present, and future.

Pretty sure 'we' were never apes, but a ape-human kind of creature that later evolved into humans and different apes.. :P

rocky505 August 2nd, 2010 6:22 AM

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Originally Posted by NoRealName (Post 6028357)
Pretty sure 'we' were never apes, but a ape-human kind of creature that later evolved into humans and different apes.. :P

You people just don't get it do you -_-

GFA August 2nd, 2010 6:25 AM

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Originally Posted by rocky505 (Post 6028365)
You people just don't get it do you -_-

No, we do. you just worded yourself poorly.

But yeah, you have a good point.

NoRealName August 2nd, 2010 6:27 AM

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Originally Posted by rocky505 (Post 6028365)
You people just don't get it do you -_-

Or.. You don't get when someone is joking, messing with you? Smilies often indicate that they said something in a friendly manner. Unless the person using lots of smilies mean nothing with them but saying 'I'm retarded'....


And I even used a 'Silly' smile!

Sage Harpuia August 2nd, 2010 7:52 AM

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Originally Posted by redsaber5859 (Post 6025662)
I have seen many changes, and they are disturbing me as it is hardly like the old games, what happened to a 2-d black and white Kanto? Now we have 2.75-D full color, rotating camera, 600 pokemon, and triple battles.
The fact is, that 2d, black&white, horrible mapped kanto sucked badly...

Now what do you say? I know that GAMEFREAK Inc. will do anything to keep customers, but seriously, some things are bad.

Lets take a look at the new features:This is a Serebii.net screenshot, first off, the new pokemon, many say look like digimon or 10-minute sprites. This is also how we felt about Gen IV so it shouldnt concern much.
I agree that some pokemon sucks, but there are in all gen: as you said in another post pokemon should look cool special animals: well I don't see any problem with the eagle or the zebra...insted hitmonlee...fails a bit...

Isshu's art is interesting, it has no resemblence to the others and it is far away, which furthers that these are hardly Pokemon games
I don't see how far-away=no-pokemon, also isshu resemble a lot kanto...

Oh god, the new battle system. TRIPLE BATTLES-surf/EQ/Muddy water/explosion-half of your team gone. for gods sake leave triple battles to fossil fighters. ROTATION BATTLES-Im in competitive battling, and I know that this will be hell on earth.
You cannot do those type of battle on competitive battle...also they seems intresting because makes you thinks even more for strategies, especially rotation ones.(if it was for me, we would have real-time battles, so I'm not satisfied with this small changes...)

To make that better-VGC, the japanese will have months experience, while we will have ONE month eperience. No brainer on the finals
This is true from tiiiiiiiime...

The version differences i like, however we have never seen that great of a difference before have we?
And? We will have all the feature in the third game, if you want both...

The C-Gear is seeming good, but it looks like crap. I mean, why Hexagonal shapes? it seems confusing to me, but i like the idea.
I didn't get why hexagone confound the scene...try with pentagons and you'll see...

The pokeshifter, in POKEMON why combine whac-a-mole with archery? It was better when you CAUGHT your pokemon not SHOT them
Well I can agree with this, even if I sorta like minigames.

PS. the sprites, they are EXTREMELY pixelated in my opinion, however i like the fact that they move, hopefully its in a manner similar to battle Rev where they also move when hit.
In the screenshots it's very noticeable, but in the videos I never notice the big pixels...also, I wouldn't mind a pokemon version with great 3d, especially with the awesom capabilities of the 3ds...

the rest of it you can figure out yourself

~Red

I've commented in your post...also were you ironic in that post, since you seems to like hoen and at the same time complaining about change...?

Bloothump August 2nd, 2010 10:30 AM

I completely understand why someone would get flustered by all of these new features. In a way, GF did not make a very wise decision by keeping pokemon so static for so long, then throwing a bunch of new improvements at us at once. I really can't wrap my head around the games yet, but I'm excited to play them so I can understand exactly how all the new additions work in relation to the game. However, most features seem to be aimed towards minigames and etc., not necessarily in-game attachments. For the most part, our pokemon experience won't be TOO different from past games-- I mean, they're part of the same franchise. Besides moving sprites, speech bubbles, better graphics, and triple battles, I believe all new features are optional and are not required for the main story line. (besides, if you dislike moving sprites and camera angles, I'm sure you can turn them off)

Earlier you asked where "the black and white 2-D pokemon games went"... Well they're in the past, where they should be. Why would any game developer keep the sketchy graphics of fifteen years ago when the technology is available today? Who would buy a game these days that wasn't in full color? The 3-D aspects are for a more realistic experience. Please take off your nostalgia goggles. I don't say that often but in this case it really applies. Someone who still wants games to be the same as fifteen years ago needs to check themselves.

o0PinkSquid0o August 3rd, 2010 1:04 AM

Wow Op, Want me to call the WAAAAAAAAmbulance??

Shut up!

Whingers gonna whinge...

I am sick to death of these threads

Op: OMFG NEU POKMONZ SUCK CUZ NOT 2D WIF BLACK N WITE GRAFIC

shut up.

why isn't this thread blocked? all the other whinging threads have been blocked :S

Ninja Caterpie August 3rd, 2010 1:19 AM

"OMG DUDE POKEMON FIVE GENERATIONS ALL THE SAME ASDFGHJKL SO LAME CHANGE IT!"
"OMG DUDE POKEMON FIVE GEN CHANGED SO MUCH ASDFGHJKL DON'T CHANGE IT!"

rocky505 August 3rd, 2010 1:25 AM

^WTF

blocking a thread? I believe it is locking a thread. And whinging should be whining xD

o0PinkSquid0o August 3rd, 2010 4:45 AM

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Originally Posted by rocky505 (Post 6030848)
^WTF

blocking a thread? I believe it is locking a thread. And whinging should be whining xD

blocking, locking, they're essentially the same thing.

also go look up the definition of whinging.

Weatherman, Kiyoshi August 3rd, 2010 5:10 AM

To tell the absolute truth,

After I've kept an open mind and let some Pokemon sink in, I really love everything about Gen V.

(And please tell me I'm not the only one excited for having Pokemon that move like they're real in battle and musicals)

Triple battles and rotation battles are a very interesting concept, and it actually does refresh battling ideas.

I think some are just not letting new ideas allow to exist, who knows, you might like everything in the end.

560cool. August 3rd, 2010 5:26 AM

I was introduced to PokeGaming in the 3rd Gen. Rings a bell ? WIND OF CHANGE ?!
Yes. I adapted to changes from gen to gen, understood that Sceptile needed Giga Drain and not Leaf Blade.
I you don't like the changes, you are invited to leave the Pokemon phenomena. There will always be haters, but I am tired of them. :(

ares10 August 3rd, 2010 5:46 AM

the new pokemon kinda look like fakemon

Niño. August 3rd, 2010 8:35 AM

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Originally Posted by ares10 (Post 6031168)
the new pokemon kinda look like fakemon

The new pokémon have the same essence as the first generation. Me and the children now begin to play pokémon believe that.

Esmas August 3rd, 2010 8:45 AM

I've yet to see anything that made me disappointed with this pair of games. The only thing that gave me a small hint of doubt was the idea of triple battles, but as I've not gotten used to that, I probably will eventually. All of the new features seem really cool to me, to make the game more worldwide.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ares10 (Post 6031168)
the new pokemon kinda look like fakemon

This... made me laugh >____> I would explain, but I think it would be a bit obvious, eh?

TheNewRocketMovement August 3rd, 2010 10:11 AM

You know what I think will answer your question? Team Rocket.

Team Rocket has appeared in every generation, I'm hoping they'll appear halfway through the game to crush Team Plasma and be an evil team that is actually evil, I haven't liked much of what I've seen of Black and White, but it the Rockets returned, I should be happy =D

Also, couldn't they have thought of better names than Black and White? I think Ebony and Ivory would have been better choices.

ShinyFufu August 3rd, 2010 5:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Rilence (Post 6025845)
OHPWEASE NOT THE OMFG NEW GEN POKEYMANz LOOK LIKE DIGIMANz AGAIN.

Can I ask you 2 questions? If you can, you win.

1) What SHOULD Pokemon looks like?
2) What SHOULD Digimon looks like?

Was there ever a rule? Answer this, thanks.

Complain king, don't like the new game? Simple, I've said this a time to many, don't buy. No one cares if you're whining about it.

Agreed. Don't like, don't buy

GFA August 3rd, 2010 5:06 PM

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Originally Posted by TheNewRocketMovement (Post 6031911)
You know what I think will answer your question? Team Rocket.

Team Rocket has appeared in every generation, I'm hoping they'll appear halfway through the game to crush Team Plasma and be an evil team that is actually evil, I haven't liked much of what I've seen of Black and White, but it the Rockets returned, I should be happy =D

Also, couldn't they have thought of better names than Black and White? I think Ebony and Ivory would have been better choices.

No.

Really?

Too mcuh like the McCartney song. INSTA LAW SUIT POWERS, ACTVATE!!

Perriechu August 3rd, 2010 5:12 PM

I Wish all the B&W would just stop your hating isnt gonna do anything except getting on people's nerves I for one, cannot wait for the Triple and Rotational Battles and I dont think
Surf/E-Quake/Explosion ect... will wipe out half your team it's called Tactics ...
and Rilence is right, what are they supposed to look like... !

ShinyFufu August 3rd, 2010 5:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Weatherman, Kiyoshi (Post 6031116)
(And please tell me I'm not the only one excited for having Pokemon that move like they're real in battle and musicals)

No, you're not the only one. I also think those are just ball stompingly cool.

dieter57 August 3rd, 2010 5:47 PM

is there a poll?
somebody should make one and we will see who likes the awesome, amazing, fabulous, fantastic, cool, scorching hot, brand spanking new GENERATION 5 POKEMON games.
and who doesn't.
my bet?
the people who actually appreciate pokemon and aren't afraid of change will win.

TheNewRocketMovement August 4th, 2010 8:25 AM

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Originally Posted by GFA (Post 6033301)
No.

Really?

Too mcuh like the McCartney song. INSTA LAW SUIT POWERS, ACTVATE!!

Team Rocket have always been the best team in my opinion, so delightfully evil, and I know they were around in HGSS but I think its time for a real rocket revivial, not a revival where the final admin can be beat using one Pokemon (Houndour and Koffing and level 35, not as intimidating as it could be).

True, but I can see someone kicking up a fuss and calling the current titles racist, over-sensitive person used Race Card! It's not very effective...

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire August 4th, 2010 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by TheNewRocketMovement (Post 6035127)
Team Rocket have always been the best team in my opinion, so delightfully evil, and I know they were around in HGSS but I think its time for a real rocket revivial, not a revival where the final admin can be beat using one Pokemon (Houndour and Koffing and level 35, not as intimidating as it could be).

True, but I can see someone kicking up a fuss and calling the current titles racist, over-sensitive person used Race Card! It's not very effective...

I really didn't see a point to team rocket I found them as "Petty villains"...they only wanted money...now Cyrus was evil, he was going to eliminate all the universe and in the process kill everyone and he didn't care!
I think people should have an option but just tone down their level of hate :)

CptnSmonge August 4th, 2010 3:04 PM

I say lose the pokeshifter, and you got a great new game. It is what it is, though, so I can deal. It'll still be awesome.

TheNewRocketMovement August 5th, 2010 8:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 6035714)
I really didn't see a point to team rocket I found them as "Petty villains"...they only wanted money...now Cyrus was evil, he was going to eliminate all the universe and in the process kill everyone and he didn't care!
I think people should have an option but just tone down their level of hate :)

I agree, but I still love 'em, I think they could give them a decent story if they were to bring them back, maybe they were after all the money to fund a bigger scheme or... I dunno, I just love everything about them, the outfits, the logo, the music and of course, Giovanni :D

Charizardomination August 5th, 2010 8:16 AM

Most of these features are stupid they could have done a lot better. Hopefully they did because im not impressed with anything ive seen. The only things good are the music the new battle graphics and the new camera angle in hiun town. Its like theyre just throwing in random garbage to say "hey its not the same anymore" so that their fanboys and girls will help buy them brand new boats.

DarthSenorQueso August 5th, 2010 1:26 PM

I have a few things to say, the graphics look choppy @ the battle sprites and the textures on the sub 3D overworld. The animations means most frames don't have to have a tidy border anymore, so still images will look bad...and anyone who has tried resizing sprites knows that pixelated looks better then the smooth version. Also the textures sot of jump off the models when moving because the DS wasn't made for heavy 3D plain and simple.

In the end, it's an awesome looking game and I'm looking forward to it, so to everyone who says otherwise. http://pix.motivatedphotos.com/2009/11/15/633938817485449765-CHANGE.jpg

incognito322 August 5th, 2010 1:44 PM

@ Charizardomination: define better. I just want your opinion is all.

I think, as a second generation for the DS, they've done fine. And it's not heavy 3D. It's altered camera angles, but basically the same as 4th Generation, only navigation is not confined to a square grid anymore. They seem to be mastering the use of a polar grid for gameplay as well.

And I think Team Rocket has been squashed. Isshu is nowhere near Kanto, Johto, Hoenn and Sinnoh, so I don't think it would even make sense that TR, after being disbanded for the final time (in the games), would make a return.

austy14 August 5th, 2010 1:48 PM

If everyone's so mad about the new changes, just don't get B&W and go back to playing R/G/B/Y on your Gameboy. Nothing wrong with that. It's not like making these new ones makes the classics unusable. I still play my Yellow version!

incognito322 August 5th, 2010 1:52 PM

You're right about that one.
I think the overhaul suits the game, and for once everyone that plays is making new discoveries. That, IMO, is very "pokemon". XD

The names as colors may be referencing the new start of the series, much like RBY was. Sort of an analogy, I guess.
I can't fathom how many generations they'll go with this franchise....

Kirbychu August 5th, 2010 6:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DarthSenorQueso (Post 6039628)
The animations means most frames don't have to have a tidy border anymore, so still images will look bad...and anyone who has tried resizing sprites knows that pixelated looks better then the smooth version.

I beg to disagree, surely that was a typo. <_>

Charizardomination August 5th, 2010 6:23 PM

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Originally Posted by incognito322 (Post 6039683)
@ Charizardomination: define better. I just want your opinion is all.

I think, as a second generation for the DS, they've done fine. And it's not heavy 3D. It's altered camera angles, but basically the same as 4th Generation, only navigation is not confined to a square grid anymore. They seem to be mastering the use of a polar grid for gameplay as well.

And I think Team Rocket has been squashed. Isshu is nowhere near Kanto, Johto, Hoenn and Sinnoh, so I don't think it would even make sense that TR, after being disbanded for the final time (in the games), would make a return.

Well lets see. The overworld sprites for the NPCS are absolute garbage. When the camera turns they stay in the same position. Thats what they get for keeping the same style of stupid sprites as dpphgss. Its not just the npcs, the whole overworld looks like crap. Hiun city looks fine but everywhere else looks disgustingly similar to dpphgss. YEP THIS IS CHANGE.
They want to give the game more of a 3d feel but theyre too stupid to wait a couple months to design a 3ds launch title which would have made the game look better overall. The battle sprites are absolute garbage and these are the worst pokemon designs in the history of the franchise. Everything is spherical and stupid, they look like they were designed by my 8 year old litte cousin. The whole cast of pokemon looks like some awful jigsaw puzzle assembled the wrong way. Unforttunately the bad is outshining the good.

lucaspontes_7 August 5th, 2010 6:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheNewRocketMovement (Post 6035127)
Team Rocket have always been the best team in my opinion, so delightfully evil, and I know they were around in HGSS but I think its time for a real rocket revivial, not a revival where the final admin can be beat using one Pokemon (Houndour and Koffing and level 35, not as intimidating as it could be).

True, but I can see someone kicking up a fuss and calling the current titles racist, over-sensitive person used Race Card! It's not very effective...

Yeah, Team Rocket was disappointingly weak on Johto. And I remember that after beating the poor grunt at Nugget Bridge, he says something about returning to his homeland and regrouping Team Rocket.


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