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@ Charizardomination: I think they put in more texture for the 3d look, which makes it look more definite, though I see your point about the sprites being unable to change their position in accordance with the camera. I like the fact that they're using different textures and things. I guess when you're given just the graphics and the bit of the plot that's all you can judge... I'm not willing to say Gen 5 is the best, but again this kind of stuff would appeal to your little brother, no? XD
Remember people, these are games AIMED AT LITTLE CHILDRENS! <=typo on purpose. And we're the grandmas and grandpas that are still obsessed with pogeymanz. So some things we might find, and pinpoint, but a kid would overlook. And I agree with you, from what I've seen, Hiun City is graphically the best-looking area of the game so far, though I want to see the city with the lighthouse and the red bridge. |
I just don't understand why so many people are complaining about the changes that are being made to Pokemon...aren't there more serious issues going on in the world? Like whether Brad and Angelina are going to stay together? Or, if you are like me and live in South Florida, like how awesome it is that Lebron is down here?! In all seriousness, though, there doesn't seem to be that much of a point in complaining about this. There is no definition of "pokemon." This thread was titled as a question: "Black and White, Pokemon or not?"
How can that even be answered? This is a game that is a continuation of the series, and the people creating it will define what Pokemon is and isn't. You don't go and eat a burger from Wendy's that has a wrapping that says Wendy's on it, and claim you didn't get it from there. It's Pokemon plain and simple, and I'm freaking loving it. |
Wait…extra features are somehow a problem?
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I don't know why. I mean when there's an EXTRA in front of those features it typically means: things you may/may not like but hell it's not like you have to use them. The musical doesn't appeal to me (but looks cool anyway); I'd rather see what my little sister does in it. ^_^
You have a point shuppet88. There isn't a "definition" for Pokemon. I guess what people are trying to do here is compare Gen5 with 4,3,2 and1, and since it doesn't really match, they're not liking it. Gen 5 is a new precedent. It's basically the modern RBY. That means if Pokemon never dies, we could have another 3 increasingly awesome generations. I actually like the more animal-like Pokemon designs. |
Of course it's still Pokémon. Was your reaction to Pokémon Stadium, "oh my god, it's in 3D it's not Pokémon anymore!!!"? I don't see what the big deal is, it's still Pokémon. If it stayed like Red and Blue forever it would get boring.
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And most importantly, people, stop acting like your opinion is law. People like what you dislike. I dislike One Piece, but I don't mind if other people like it. It's my opinion. Respect other's opinions, please -_- |
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Man, nostalgic Pokemon fans will complain about anything.
Yes, Black and White compared to Red and Blue are a far cry from the original Pokemon games. But a franchise can only use the same system for so long before it gets stale. I've been a Pokemon fan since my parents got me Red and Blue when I was a kid. I was at the stores for the release date of Gold and Silver. I gritted my teeth through Ruby and Sapphire, but I loved Gen IV. The games had to change to get better. It doesn't sap the game of any legitimacy just because of the new region or new features or new Pokemon. |
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With G/S/C, they brought in hold items, improved drastically on the happiness system from Yellow, started animating sprites, brought in shinies, gave us the Battle Tower, made an in-game clock, new moves, used a great calendar system etc etc. And of course gave us 101 new Pokemon. With R/S/E, they gave us Contests, double battles, expanded the Battle Tower to an entire Battle Frontier, completely overhauled the graphics, allowed storylines to delve deeper, even more moves, and even more Pokemon. With D/P/Pt, we got the Global Terminal, which made trading much easier, and the second screen added a lot of depth to the game. The storyline was excellent, the villains were legitimately stronger, and of course there were tons of new Pokemon. They HAVE to at least keep the backbone of the series intact. While the basics are the same, each generation has been different to the one previous, for better or for worse. Do you remember what happened when the Legend of Zelda was followed up by the 2D side-scrolling Adventure of Link? That being said, I welcome the changes completely, as improvements are always necessary. |
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Each generation, has always brought in something more for Pokémon. When it first started there was only so much they can do considering the franchise was recently launched and all things technical. As time progressed, so did the game in many ways. While some didn't like it, others did and it's what kept the franchise alive even today. So, I welcome change and for the most part Pokémon still sticks to the basic concept of the game. Black and White seems to be taking that a next step further and keeping the plot of the game more heavily involved. As far as Pokémon goes, there will always be lovers and haters. You just can't change that. Some will like the new Pokémon, others won't. It's just all a matter of opinion. Luckily, some end up changing their minds when giving that certain Pokémon a try. On your final comment, I just want to regard that as totally true. If Pokémon never kept on improving like its done thus far, I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be intact today. Basically, this goes for almost everything else as well, not only just Pokémon. |
The only thing I dislike about these games is the new Pokemon. I only like two of the new ones so far. Here's hoping for an ***load of evolutions for old Pokemon, which are the only kind I want at this point.
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I don't see them changing the starters types (Water-Fire-Grass) any time soon, I can see it continue to generation 6+
I like all the new stuff, especially the new music and graphics of the cities :) |
I feel like the new changes are better,though I'll still go back and play the oldest games like the pikachu ones.I feel like there making good inprove ments.Now otheres will think diffrent probley but all my posts r just my opinon.I feel like if they were going to do all these hi-tech things they shold of at least made it optional to do things like black and white color for the game if u agree with people who r saying (not wrongly) that they sholdn't go all hi-teck.
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If they change the story, you may like it. Others may not. What you see as good may not necessarily be good to others. Mario 3D games are mainly platforming fetch quests. They aren't going to change much because it's a standard that you're always going to find. Same with Zeldaa games; there's gonna be dungeon crawling. Gyms and starter triangles are standards; it's not likely to change anytime soon. |
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The examples you gave are more related to the overall gameplay, while what Im talking about (The gym system) is more relative to the plot. Pokemon should remain a turn-based rpg focused on raising monsters. However there's nothing wrong with changing up the plot in an rpg franchise once in a while. In most cases its appreciated. Do you see other popular rpgs like final fantasy and dragon quest (Which are way better comparisons, I may add) reusing the same plot for more than a decade? A pokemon game can work without gyms. In fact, the devs can be given a lot more freedom if they break away from that stupid gym system. Unfortunately youre right about things not changing anytime soon. |
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Dragon Quest certainly does the same thing. There always evil king baramos/psaro/nimzo/Rhapthorne/etc. who wants to destroy the world. It's getting kind of dull, but thankfully they changed it in the 9th installment. Now that I think about it, Pokemon actually changed their goals more than many Final Fantasies. First you get a simple mafia that does bad things, then you get environmental terrorists, and last you get the cliche "destroy the world" team. Quote:
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I never realized that until you pointed it out (about FF) :) |
I'm going to put my opinion quite simply:
Pokemon, like all good franchises, is evolving. Get over it. |
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