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Cobalt'Scizor August 3rd, 2010 9:57 AM

Liking all new everything?
 
Black and White have had massive brand new changes, and one of them is that in the pre-National dex, there all ALL new Pokemon. Do you think that it's good? I like the fact we won't be seeing 'A wild Zubat appeared' or 'A wild Tentacool appeared' but cool Pokemon like Eevee are gone D: I think it'll be made up for if Gen 5 has the awesome-est Pokemon yet.

What do you think?

MistahDude August 3rd, 2010 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cobalt'Scizor (Post 6031858)
Black and White have had massive brand new changes, and one of them is that in the pre-National dex, there all ALL new Pokemon. Do you think that it's good? I like the fact we won't be seeing 'A wild Zubat appeared' or 'A wild Tentacool appeared' but cool Pokemon like Eevee are gone D: I think it'll be made up for if Gen 5 has the awesome-est Pokemon yet.

What do you think?

I think its pretty awesome. It is a great way to rebirth the series.

OverTheRainbowSoilder August 3rd, 2010 10:27 AM

Happy
 
I'm happy that the older Pokemon will be gone for the main storyline. However, I am happy that I will be able the bring my old Pokemon back via Pokeshifter. This way, I can still have my old Pokemon, but cathc and train various new ones

Agent Clank August 3rd, 2010 11:00 AM

I think its pretty cool,but I am sad that Pikachu,Ampharos and all of my other favorite Pokemon will not be in there,but hey,Its a good way for a fresh new start.

AgameZ August 3rd, 2010 11:31 AM

This is the coolest yet.. jk

Dominus Temporis August 3rd, 2010 11:42 AM

I think it'll be a great way to keep the games fresh- without any Pikachu, Geodude, or Zubat keeping us down (I should mention I still like them anyway), it'll definitely feel like an entirely new region. I'm worried that people will complain about this like they did with Hoenn, but the National Dex opening up the option for older guys will likely cut the odds of that.

But yeah, it definitely seems faraway if nothing familiar is there. I embrace the change.

LockerzNoob August 3rd, 2010 12:01 PM

Yeah its going to be pretty sick, except we gotta wait for the english version.

Exterminieren August 3rd, 2010 12:04 PM

I think it's a great idea. Refreshes the series a great deal.

I hope we get a lot of new Pokemon into the deal, though.

Dillon_68 August 3rd, 2010 1:42 PM

Ummm...has it been confirmed that there are no previous Pokemon, or is everyone jumping to conclusions?

If there isn't any prior Pokemon in the pre-national Dex, then that will be awesome!

Deathstar August 3rd, 2010 1:59 PM

I could live without Gear, but other than that, it's great!

Kirbychu August 3rd, 2010 4:07 PM

Why is it that when Hoenn removed tons of old favorites and tried to revolutionize the franchise it was ridiculed, but when Isshu does it it's praised?

I hope this isn't true. It'd be more realistic if they had at least a few Pokemon in common.

ShinyFufu August 3rd, 2010 4:30 PM

I think the 5th gen looks pretty cool so far , except for that lame red and blue rock thing.

G3RM August 3rd, 2010 4:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Dillon_68 (Post 6032692)
Ummm...has it been confirmed that there are no previous Pokemon, or is everyone jumping to conclusions?

If there isn't any prior Pokemon in the pre-national Dex, then that will be awesome!

Ya, said so in the Gamefreak director's blog

JP August 3rd, 2010 5:29 PM

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Originally Posted by G3RM (Post 6033219)
Ya, said so in the Gamefreak director's blog

I don't remember reading this. o__O Link please? I really don't remember hearing this was confirmed.

MistahDude August 3rd, 2010 5:32 PM

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Originally Posted by JP (Post 6033368)
I don't remember reading this. o__O Link please? I really don't remember hearing this was confirmed.

http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir/?p=255

Posted on the gamefreak japanese website by the director of Game Freak.

Perriechu August 3rd, 2010 5:40 PM

I Dont know... I like the idea of all new pokemon, but like he said... pokemon Like Eevee and abra, are gone plus machop and magnemite D;

Zeturic August 3rd, 2010 5:42 PM

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Originally Posted by dragonomega (Post 6033413)
I Dont know... I like the idea of all new pokemon, but like he said... pokemon Like Eevee and abra, are gone plus machop and magnemite D;

...No. You'll be able to have them after the National Dex. It's not like they won't be in the game at all.

With Eevee, it's even possible to get new evolutions. Look at how they did Electivire and so many others in DP.

Charizardomination August 3rd, 2010 6:34 PM

This is stupid, I dont want to use these crappy pokemon,

Guy August 3rd, 2010 6:52 PM

I'm pretty much open to the idea of being able to find only the Gen V Pokémon in this game before the National Dex. Throughout the years I've always relied on a few old favorites to be apart of my team. However, Black and White will give me the opportunity to explore the new Pokémon of Isshu and not have to depend on the older Pokémon I used to rely on at first. I never played Red and Blue first like many Pokémon fans did, but I'm sure the experience of playing Black and White will feel similar. A new region, resetting the route number, and then having to use the new Pokémon altogether will give it that feel that it is something new. It is a reboot to Pokémon and I think they're going in the right direction here. Plus, it isn't like you won't have the chance to use your older Pokémon after. Actually, if they're so determined to start new and make the game bigger and better, there just might be hope that post-game there will be more to offer. Thus, giving purpose to have your older Pokémon afterward.

Hating on the idea though is only wasting your time. You're either open to the idea, dislike the idea yet are willing to give it a try, or you just leave it alone and skip this generation. Considering its been said by the director of GameFreak, people will just have to deal. If you're a die hard gamer though, you'll learn to live with using what you're given like a majority of us did back when Pokémon first came out with Red and Blue and we only had 150 Pokémon to choose from.

Sora's Nobody August 3rd, 2010 6:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Charizardomination (Post 6033578)
This is stupid, I dont want to use these crappy pokemon,

Dude! Give it a rest if you dont like anything. then dont buy the game. We don't wanna hear you complaining on every single thread. you got your word out dude. Leettt.. me guess you hate Gen 5. WOW. How did i guess that. that is simply incredible.

ShinyFufu August 3rd, 2010 6:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Sora's Nobody (Post 6033630)
Dude! Give it a rest if you dont like anything. then dont buy the game. We don't wanna hear you complaining on every single thread. you got your word out dude. Leettt.. me guess you hate Gen 5. WOW. How did i guess that. that is simply incredible.

Agreed. No one's forcing you to buy these games.

Charizardomination August 3rd, 2010 6:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sora's Nobody (Post 6033630)
Dude! Give it a rest if you dont like anything. then dont buy the game. We don't wanna hear you complaining on every single thread. you got your word out dude. Leettt.. me guess you hate Gen 5. WOW. How did i guess that. that is simply incredible.

Dont be hating dude, I dont like them so what. No need to go off on me with that ridiculous green text.

Morkula August 3rd, 2010 7:10 PM

Gen 3 all over again. I do not want to be severely restricted and told "You can't use those 493 Pokemon to beat the game, here use these 150." I want a combination of old and new to beat the game with, and not have to wait until afterwards, when I don't even need to use them. Seriously, postgame stuff is just filler. If I'm going to "use" a Pokemon, I want it as part of my team that I raise throughout my journey to beat the League. Gen 3 severely limited your Pokemon and is ridiculed even today for it (though it also had a horrendous region), and considering about 80% of the Gen 5 designs are absolutely vomit-inducing, I'd want the option of catching some old favorites to raise in Isshu as well.

There are about 50 other things they could do to revitalize and "freshen up" the series...this is not one of them.

Zeturic August 3rd, 2010 7:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Charizardomination (Post 6033660)
Dont be hating dude, I dont like them so what. No need to go off on me with that ridiculous green text.

If you don't like it, then why are you using up time visiting a forum about it to whine about it? If you dislike it, it seems rather... dumb to be taking the time to post about it.

Åzurε August 3rd, 2010 7:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kirbychu (Post 6033121)
Why is it that when Hoenn removed tons old favorites and tried to revolutionize the franchise it was ridiculed, but when Isshu does it it's praised?

I hope this isn't true. It'd be more realistic if they had at least a few Pokemon in common.

Because Hoenn was pretty awesome regardless of all the flak it got. I think people are appreciating Gen 3 more nowadays. I bet they'll keep some older Pokemon in, although it would be nice, imo, to see an all-new regional Dex.

Also, Midnight Bear has it right. If you dislike it anyway, why are you bothering to post about it? You can have your opinion, but keep it down with the abrasiveness, por favor. Other people happen to be excited about this stuff.

Charizardomination August 3rd, 2010 7:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Midnight Bear (Post 6033685)
If you don't like it, then why are you using up time visiting a forum about it to whine about it? If you dislike it, it seems rather... dumb to be taking the time to post about it.

Do you mind telling me what all this hype is about? I dont know what everyones so excited about.

Fine no one listen to me.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire August 3rd, 2010 8:23 PM

I am seriously liking everything ;)
Yeah why is Isshu being praised while people ridiculed Hoenn for having so little old pokemon...

.-Notched August 3rd, 2010 8:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sora's Nobody (Post 6033630)
Dude! Give it a rest if you dont like anything. then dont buy the game. We don't wanna hear you complaining on every single thread. you got your word out dude. Leettt.. me guess you hate Gen 5. WOW. How did i guess that. that is simply incredible.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShinyFufu (Post 6033650)
Agreed. No one's forcing you to buy these games.

This.

I think Generation 5 will be awesome. I absolutely LOVED the Hoenn region, and I don't care what anybody says about Isshu. :D

Perry_ August 3rd, 2010 10:58 PM

It's a bold move, I'll give them that. I'm happy to see Game Freak has the balls to mix things up again, to me Gen 4 felt to similar to everything else. The fact that they have balls to make changes is what im more interested about.

My gripe though is the national dex usually doesn't come into play until after the region champion is defeated. It seems redundant to collect 493 pokemon that only serve to fill in the dex. If they make enough content post - region champion like traveling to another region (old or new) and have another main quest to follow, then it'll be all worth it.

So whether or not it's a good decision really rests with how much content we get post- pokemon league. Otherwise I'm going to have to agree with haters and call "filler".

MistahDude August 3rd, 2010 11:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Perry_ (Post 6034081)
It's a bold move, I'll give them that. I'm happy to see Game Freak has the balls to mix things up again, to me Gen 4 felt to similar to everything else. The fact that they have balls to make changes is what im more interested about.

My gripe though is the national dex usually doesn't come into play until after the region champion is defeated. It seems redundant to collect 493 pokemon that only serve to fill in the dex. If they make enough content post - region champion like traveling to another region (old or new) and have another main quest to follow, then it'll be all worth it.

So whether or not it's a good decision really rests with how much content we get post- pokemon league. Otherwise I'm going to have to agree with haters and call "filler".

They are doing it because they want to refresh the series.

Beyerful August 3rd, 2010 11:30 PM

My wish came true :) I always wanted each region to have purely their region pokemon and all the national ones after you get the national dex. I just want to jump into a pool of new pokemon and not find the same ones I have already used. Like going into your favorite store and they have all this awesome new merchandise :)

I think it is a great move. As long as around 95% of the other 493 pokemon are avaliable after the national dex :)

Ninja Caterpie August 3rd, 2010 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kirbychu (Post 6033121)
Why is it that when Hoenn removed tons old favorites and tried to revolutionize the franchise it was ridiculed, but when Isshu does it it's praised?

I hope this isn't true. It'd be more realistic if they had at least a few Pokemon in common.

"Because the new Pokemon suck anyway so getting rid of them is good!"

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire August 3rd, 2010 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Beyerful (Post 6034123)
My wish came true :) I always wanted each region to have purely their region pokemon and all the national ones after you get the national dex. I just want to jump into a pool of new pokemon and not find the same ones I have already used. Like going into your favorite store and they have all this awesome new merchandise :)

I think it is a great move. As long as around 95% of the other 493 pokemon are avaliable after the national dex :)

We aren't sure how many old mon are in the Isshu dex actually :)...

MartinJF August 4th, 2010 12:08 AM

Well, I'm very sure we will Get a new pre-evo and new evo's, so at least some pkmn have to be in the isshu dex, no?

o0PinkSquid0o August 4th, 2010 12:14 AM

Hmm I like this idea ONLY if we get the national dex somewhere in the middle of the game instead of right at the end. Just so we can choose later if we wanna train up some other pokemon without it being so late in the game that there aren't any trainers left to battle and train new(old) pokemon.

That way we get to try out all the new pokemon at the start but still get the option of playing through some of the new story line with some old favs.

vibratingcat August 4th, 2010 12:24 AM

its an ok idea i guess. what bothers me is that there wont be any new evolutions or prevolutions until you finish the game. other than that, its cool. this might also mean we get a large number of new pokemon, maybe 150.

does this also mean that the pokeshifter wont appear until after you finish the game?

Perry_ August 4th, 2010 12:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MistahDude (Post 6034106)
They are doing it because they want to refresh the series.

Did you actually read what I said? I know damn well why they are doing it.

Sammuthegreat August 4th, 2010 12:40 AM

I don't like this idea much at all really. The whole point of having that many Pokemon is having a massive choice of which to use; I'd rather they just opened up the full Dex from the start instead of having this Isshu/National Dex nonsense.

What this means is that we'll be stuck with the same old situation where each route only has 3 or 4 wild Pokemon species on it. If all Pokemon were available from the start there'd be so much more variety in teams; as it is everyone has the same team for the first Gym.

knook August 4th, 2010 2:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Charizardomination (Post 6033578)
This is stupid, I dont want to use these crappy pokemon,

Of which we only have twenty-odd confirmed out of over a hundred... Yeah, not jumping the gun at all there

MistahDude August 4th, 2010 2:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 6034146)

We aren't sure how many old mon are in the Isshu dex actually :)...

Because of the whole series rebirth theory I would say 151, which is counting Victini. The actual last pokemon could be number 150.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Perry_ (Post 6034081)
It's a bold move, I'll give them that. I'm happy to see Game Freak has the balls to mix things up again, to me Gen 4 felt to similar to everything else. The fact that they have balls to make changes is what im more interested about.

My gripe though is the national dex usually doesn't come into play until after the region champion is defeated. It seems redundant to collect 493 pokemon that only serve to fill in the dex. If they make enough content post - region champion like traveling to another region (old or new) and have another main quest to follow, then it'll be all worth it.

So whether or not it's a good decision really rests with how much content we get post- pokemon league. Otherwise I'm going to have to agree with haters and call "filler".

Part of Pokemon is catching them all. Many people actually like to collect the other 493 pokemon even if it isn't required and even if the award for doing it is lame.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Perry_ (Post 6034211)
Did you actually read what I said? I know damn well why they are doing it.

Yes I did read what you said and there was nothing about the rebirth of the series.

Sora's Nobody August 4th, 2010 4:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charizardomination (Post 6033660)
Dont be hating dude, I dont like them so what. No need to go off on me with that ridiculous green text.

The text is blue actually.

Elite Overlord LeSabre™ August 4th, 2010 5:28 AM

Well, the ugly design of the female trainer already had me disinterested in these games.... this news certainly does not tip the scales in favor of B/W. Persian has always been a staple of my team... unless there's a 5th generation cat Pokemon that is at least as elegant and attractive as Persian, I won't be very happy.

At least rubbish like Rattata, Zubat, and Pikachu won't be included, but then again, many better Pokemon also won't be in the game.

JP August 4th, 2010 6:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MistahDude (Post 6033379)
http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir/?p=255

Posted on the gamefreak japanese website by the director of Game Freak.

Sweet. This is something that's definitely got me excited some more.

Also, does this mean you can't trade any of the previous gen Pokemon until the National Dex? I mean if that isn't the case, why not just trade the ones you love to BW to use on your team. I don't see the big deal. :0

Kirbychu August 4th, 2010 7:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ninja Caterpie (Post 6034126)
"Because the new Pokemon suck anyway so getting rid of them is good!"

But they're replacing garbage with garbage. D:

Oh, and lol.

SgtPatches August 4th, 2010 9:28 AM

No Gen I-IV Pokemon in the Isshu Pokedex!
 
That means we're due for a MASSIVE addition to the National Dex. This could be the largest Regional Dex yet.

MY EXCITEMENT IS QUITE HIGH NOW

MegaKuriboh August 4th, 2010 9:55 AM

yesssss I am so relived no more
Wild Pikachu appeared
Wild Geodude appeared
Wild Zubat appeared
EVERY FREAKN ROUTE OF EVERY FREAKIN GAME!!!
It's nice to see a fresh start

Heart's Soul August 4th, 2010 9:58 AM

^ Pikachu is rare in all titles he appears in.

rocky505 August 4th, 2010 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Heart's Soul (Post 6035420)
^ Pikachu is rare in all titles he appears in.

I think he was common in the power plant.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire August 4th, 2010 10:14 AM

Is it confirmed that there will be no Gen I to IV in the Isshu dex?

GFA August 4th, 2010 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 6035468)
Is it confirmed that there will be no Gen I to IV in the Isshu dex?

Yes. Bulbapedia did it. go to the main page. Its the most recent news

Kirbychu August 4th, 2010 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 6035468)
Is it confirmed that there will be no Gen I to IV in the Isshu dex?

Yep, but I recently realized that AR can easily solve this problem. I never have liked the idea of using mine to hack Pokemon, but I'll get over it. :3

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire August 4th, 2010 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by GFA (Post 6035479)
Yes. Bulbapedia did it. go to the main page. Its the most recent news

Now I know...it's weird that Serebi and Pokebeach didn't have it when I checked it...

Azure-Supernova August 4th, 2010 10:41 AM

I'm actually pleased about this. It seems like less of an invasion and we'll get to experience the new Pokémon for what they are (as opposed to mixing them in with previous gens and comparing).

A reboot like this is a great idea.

Mana August 4th, 2010 10:48 AM

Why are people complaining really?

No Pikachu? Boohoo, it's pretty useless to be honest, especially in DP/Pt where the Thunderstone took forever to find or you needed 7 badges.

I think it's a great idea to have a Gen5 only Dex. It makes perfect sense.

And to those who want their normal Pokémon what's stopping you trading them over? You are limited EVERY Generation the same way so I don't really see the problem :S.

Zeturic August 4th, 2010 10:50 AM

I love the idea. It gives the series more of a "fresh" feel.

From what I've seen, this game will have the most interesting Pokemon yet. I've really fallen in love with three, Meguroko, Shimama, and Gear.

Zelda August 4th, 2010 11:03 AM

It's going to be strange at first but now thinking about it, it'll be much easier to complete the Isshu Pokédex.
Plus, we won't have to be sprawling around in caves seeing Zubat, and in the waters with no Magikarp!

This is definitely going to be an interesting and strange thing to see.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire August 4th, 2010 11:04 AM

Well I wish we had at least a few old mons but it's still a pretty good idea :)

rocky505 August 4th, 2010 11:06 AM

BW are going to make me feel like a little kid again :D I enjoyed playing blue with not knowing what I'd find xD

Ryu-kun August 4th, 2010 11:08 AM

Oh yeah... Remember the mandatory trainer in every generation that only had 6 Magikarps?
NO MORE!

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire August 4th, 2010 11:10 AM

I'm expecting a Geodude replacement, and a Magikarp replacement, we already have our abra and Zubat replacements it seems...

X Latios August 4th, 2010 11:11 AM

I'm kind of neutral towards this. On the one hand, 150+ new pokemon is pretty cool as it will encourage me to try something different as I nearly always have 2 or 3 Kanto/Johto pokemon in my team. On the other hand, I'll miss being able to play through with some of the old pokemon, especially Eevee since I always have an Eeveelution in my team (except Sapphire).
Perhaps they'll do what they have done in Diamond, make it so you can trade none regional dex pokemon onto the game but they don't register in the pokedex until after the elite 4?

Either way, going to make for an interesting game!

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire August 4th, 2010 11:13 AM

The thing is that most people will have to get the old mon from a friend who has beaten the game...as the GTS only shows pokemon that you have encountered...

rocky505 August 4th, 2010 11:15 AM

Unless Munna has another evolution I see it more of a new drowzee. I am thinking Gaiasu(Whatever it's name is) is either the rhyhorn or geodude line.

Storm_has_formed August 4th, 2010 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Ryu-kun (Post 6035636)
Oh yeah... Remember the mandatory trainer in every generation that only had 6 Magikarps?
NO MORE!

but it's tradition :(... jk those trainers are really annoying!

JAK3 August 4th, 2010 11:17 AM

What can I say...
HOORAH!!

No, but seriously, I'm happy that they are giving us a total Reboot in the series, because I was never around in the good ol' Classic days, such as Red/Blue ( By the way, I know this is what Hiiro said ) So it's nice to know that they are resetting all of these things, i'm really starting to like 5th Gen, mostly because I started on Gold, then moved on, and recently came back, and never got to experience what it was like to have these "Reboots", so now it's almost like a new start, new adventures, all with new everything, it just get's me more pumped for this series.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire August 4th, 2010 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by rocky505 (Post 6035659)
Unless Munna has another evolution I see it more of a new drowzee. I am thinking Gaiasu(Whatever it's name is) is either the rhyhorn or geodude line.

True, so we will see an Abra replacement later on :)...
I see Gear as a Magnemite replacement more than Geodude...

Kirbychu August 4th, 2010 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by SwiftSign (Post 6035588)
No Pikachu? Boohoo, it's pretty useless to be honest, especially in DP/Pt where the Thunderstone took forever to find or you needed 7 badges.

My Light Ball sweeping Pikachu in Platinum and Heart Gold beg to disagree. Pikachu is a lot better than Raichu, there's no reason to evolve it unless you want slightly better defenses and the ability to hold different items.

Volroc August 4th, 2010 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Cobalt'Scizor (Post 6031858)
Black and White have had massive brand new changes, and one of them is that in the pre-National dex, there all ALL new Pokemon. Do you think that it's good? I like the fact we won't be seeing 'A wild Zubat appeared' or 'A wild Tentacool appeared' but cool Pokemon like Eevee are gone D: I think it'll be made up for if Gen 5 has the awesome-est Pokemon yet.

What do you think?

i happen to like zubat thank you very much -_-

now tenta-not so-cool can burn for all i care

its fontastic as long as their givin i nice variety of fire,water,grass,electric,& dragon types.

i hope theres a few nice steel,& dark types too :)

but with this it gives me 2 impressions:
1- tsutarja will be the new bulbasaur: grass/poison :disappoin
&2- the dex will only have 152 at first (countin victini&an extra legend)at maximum 252 (countin victini)

rocky505 August 4th, 2010 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 6035683)

True, so we will see an Abra replacement later on :)...
I see Gear as a Magnemite replacement more than Geodude...

I wasn't talking about gear. I was talking about the pokemon that idiots keep calling a nosepass evolution.

Zeturic August 4th, 2010 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 6035683)

True, so we will see an Abra replacement later on :)...
I see Gear as a Magnemite replacement more than Geodude...

What about Rankurusu and Gochizeru?

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire August 4th, 2010 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rocky505 (Post 6035695)
I wasn't talking about gear. I was talking about the pokemon that idiots keep calling a nosepass evolution.

Oh yeah sorry i read it wrong :P
Yeah I agree with you, it does seem like the new Golem :)

Timbjerr August 4th, 2010 11:40 AM

I'm not a particularly large fan of being forced to use all-new pokemon and ignore my current favorites until after the E4, but it makes sense within the context of the game. XD

I'd still prefer a Safari Zone full of imported pokemon at least, but whatever. XD

Mana August 4th, 2010 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Kirbychu (Post 6035689)
My Light Ball sweeping Pikachu in Platinum and Heart Gold beg to disagree. Pikachu is a lot better than Raichu, there's no reason to evolve it unless you want slightly better defenses and the ability to hold different items.

Without it's Item, which was only added to buff him up and is very rare to find on a wild Pikachu it's stats are still rather poor and it won't be able to take a hit.

Compared to other Electric families it is poor.

Volroc August 4th, 2010 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SwiftSign (Post 6035761)
Without it's Item, which was only added to buff him up and is very rare to find on a wild Pikachu it's stats are still rather poor and it won't be able to take a hit.

Compared to other Electric families it is poor.

i completely agree with this, and i used to love pikachu, but now id rather use Pachirisu,damn thing is a TANK!

rocky505 August 4th, 2010 11:55 AM

I'd rather use a flailing Magikarp than a pikachu xD

Volroc August 4th, 2010 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rocky505 (Post 6035791)
I'd rather use a flailing Magikarp than a pikachu xD

you saw that video from the killing nacho too XD

Unknown Trainer August 4th, 2010 12:16 PM

I like the idea of starting fresh again. it feels like Hoenn all over again! =)

I'm okay with most Pokemon that have come out anyway.

Rei August 4th, 2010 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Sora's Nobody (Post 6034511)
The text is blue actually.

Looks more like cyan or a turquoise to me :p

Diablo361 August 4th, 2010 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Morkula (Post 6033682)
Gen 3 all over again. I do not want to be severely restricted and told "You can't use those 493 Pokemon to beat the game, here use these 150." I want a combination of old and new to beat the game with, and not have to wait until afterwards, when I don't even need to use them. Seriously, postgame stuff is just filler. If I'm going to "use" a Pokemon, I want it as part of my team that I raise throughout my journey to beat the League. Gen 3 severely limited your Pokemon and is ridiculed even today for it (though it also had a horrendous region), and considering about 80% of the Gen 5 designs are absolutely vomit-inducing, I'd want the option of catching some old favorites to raise in Isshu as well.

There are about 50 other things they could do to revitalize and "freshen up" the series...this is not one of them.

RSE was hated a lot more for simply not having them at all. That, and tedious surfing -_-.

Besides, I'm excited at this. If Gamefreak does it right, there'll be 150+ new Pokemon to use. That's pretty decent.

Logiedan August 4th, 2010 12:51 PM

I quite like this,it isolates the new generation from the old generations and I always wanted this for B/W. But that means we might see many multiple Pokémon across the whole region.

chikorita125 August 4th, 2010 1:04 PM

old gen pokemon in the pokedex would still be great

Haza August 4th, 2010 1:09 PM

This leads me to assume that the rumor about there being more than 150 new Pokemon is true then.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire August 4th, 2010 1:12 PM

It reminds me of RSE too only less old pokemon :D

TheNewRocketMovement August 4th, 2010 1:16 PM

Hmm, it feels like every day I learn something new that I don't like about Isshu, I hope they give me the national dex after 4 badges or something, that way I can use some of the older pokemon if I want to.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire August 4th, 2010 1:19 PM

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Originally Posted by TheNewRocketMovement (Post 6036090)
Hmm, it feels like every day I learn something new that I don't like about Isshu, I hope they give me the national dex after 4 badges or something, that way I can use some of the older pokemon if I want to.

4 badges is a bit too early, all games have required you to beat the E4 except for DPPt to get the National

GFA August 4th, 2010 2:00 PM

Yeah. Im pretty sure it'll be after the E4. If you dont like it, dont buy it. Tough noogies, I know

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire August 4th, 2010 2:03 PM

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Originally Posted by GFA (Post 6036211)
Yeah. Im pretty sure it'll be after the E4. If you dont like it, don't buy it. Tough noogies, I know

I agree, they are trying to change and reboot the series, so if you don't like it don't buy it.

shuppet88 August 4th, 2010 2:58 PM

I personally am enjoying the idea of an all-new pokedex with Isshu-specific pokemon. I found it so annoying to run into a million tentacools while trying to surf around. :/ This gives everyone an opportunity to start afresh, and build teams from scratch; we will all have to learn what types certain pokemon are out of trial-and-error. I can't wait for spring! This, and the 3ds are going to make me so excited...:p

myrrh25 August 4th, 2010 3:09 PM

I loved Hoenn purely for the fact that were wasn't as many originals in it, and i loved the storyline.

Now I know Isshu has no originals until (Inter)NationalDex, I can't wait :D

Tater Tot August 4th, 2010 3:19 PM

EPIC. I THOUGHT THIS WOULD NEVER HAPPEN. <3333 It could be a good way to bring the popularity it had in Generation I. Yay! :D

Zeta Sukuna August 4th, 2010 3:32 PM

All I can say is ...
Spoiler:
RUINED FOREVER! YOU SUCK, NINTENDO! HOW DARE YOU REMOVE EVERY POKEMON FROM BEFORE THIS GENERATION! THEY ALL LOOK LIKE DIGIMON!!1!!111! YOU ARE NOT WORTHY OF MY MONEY EVEN THOUGH I'LL STILL BUY THE GAME! HOW DARE YOU HAVE THE NERVE TO TRY SOMETHING DIFFERENT EVEN THOUGH I WOULD STILL COMPLAIN JUST AS HARD IF YOU HAD KEPT EVERYTHING THE SAME! IT'S STUFF LIKE THIS THAT GETS YOU BACKLASH LIKE THIS, JUST BECAUSE YOU SUCK! I WISH THE ONLY GAMES WERE GENERATIONS 1 AND 2 BECAUSE THEY ARE AWESOME, THREE, FOUR AND FIVE ALL SUCK, AND YOU FAIL AT LIFE FOR MAKING THEM BECAUSE I HOLD THEM TO A MUCH HIGHER STANDARD THEN THE FIRST TWO WHICH ARE BASICALLY THE SAME THING AS THE NEWER ONES EXCEPT WITH LESS POKEMON AND FEATURES!


But in all seriousness, this is AWESOME! I have always wanted this to happen. It kind of felt awkward using the old pokemon, except in Johto, since it was right next door. That was understandable... Hoenn and Sinnoh... not so much.

sologuy369 August 4th, 2010 3:43 PM

Can i have a refrence to this?

this will make the dex harder to fill.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire August 4th, 2010 3:48 PM

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Originally Posted by sologuy369 (Post 6036504)
Can i have a refrence to this?

this will make the dex harder to fill.

The post E4 dex yeah, the pre E4 dex not really :).

n64benowitz177 August 4th, 2010 3:52 PM

This is a big surprise for me but I'll deal with it. Hopefully once all the new pokemon are revealed they will be well rounded and I wont have any itches for classic pokes during the story.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire August 4th, 2010 3:54 PM

Well they seem to know about Pikachu despite not being in their dex (look at Huin they show Pikachu in a screen...)

Zeturic August 4th, 2010 4:03 PM

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Originally Posted by sologuy369 (Post 6036504)
Can i have a refrence to this?

this will make the dex harder to fill.

So? Who said it was supposed to be easy?

MistahDude August 4th, 2010 4:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 6036530)
Well they seem to know about Pikachu despite not being in their dex (look at Huin they show Pikachu in a screen...)

In the anime people in Johto knew about Hoenn pokemon like Blaziken and whatnot.

Luck August 4th, 2010 4:36 PM

This is a mixed bag. I'll miss my (now) mandatory Sunkern, but at least Koromori will probably take the place of the generic bat this generation. Zubat gets way too much hate, especially when its evolution is great.

Jaiyke August 4th, 2010 5:39 PM

hmm was there not many previous pokes in Hoenn? i never noticed =P
though it might've been i was only 11 or 12 and i was too excited for it
i thought Hoenn was great and holds alot of my favorites =\

This is hardly anything new, for me anyway...
I've always made it my Mission to use ALL new Pokemon in Each Region

but my team first playthrough it almost the same each time xDD
Grass Starter, Flying Normal you catch in first routes, a nice Electric type
all the rest were New Improv =DD

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire August 4th, 2010 5:42 PM

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Originally Posted by MistahDude (Post 6036603)
In the anime people in Johto knew about Hoenn pokemon like Blaziken and whatnot.

True but I think this is the first time...wait never mind they showed Azurill in one of the poketholean games...I was going to say that I this was the first time a pokemon not in the Regional dex is seen on a bill board,etc. in the games


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