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kirby00 November 19th, 2004 8:00 PM

Possible Celfable annoyer
 
Clefable @ leftovers
Evs Sp. Def, def?
nature -attack +sp def
Encore
BLock/toxic
spite
wish/sub/toxic

Im not sure about the move block, but when i clicked on the move for possible pokemon that can learn it, serebii showed a pic of clefable using it. maybe it used metronome, or somehting but im guessing it can somehow get it... with the moves to help celfable survive, and the rest to just put your opponent into moveset that runs our quick, they wont stand a chance. if block cant work then toxic does it well too. also since u will be switching, if your not too worried bout celfable being used again, or u dont care about it lasting, then toxic b4 u switch. otherwise stick to the def moves, itll help out esp if you are taking sp attacks.

Drayano November 20th, 2004 5:00 AM

I don't think Clefable can learn Block, must have been Metronome. Anyway, I like this set for a Clefable:

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EVs: 252 HP|168 Def|46 Sp. Def|44 Sp. Atk
Nature: Bold (+ Def|- Atk)

Thunder Wave/Toxic
Encore/Wish/Moonlight/Substitute
Cosmic Power/Reflect/Light Screen/Ice Beam
Flamethrower/Thunderbolt

Thunder Wave or Toxic, depends on you. 2nd Move for staying power. 3rd Move likewise or for setting up Boltbeam. 4th either for Boltbeam or Steel Types.

On addition to your Clefable plan though, I'd go:

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EVs: 168 Sp. Def|168 Def|168 HP|6 Sp. Atk
Nature: Calm (+ Sp. Def|- Atk)

Encore
Toxic
Sweet Kiss
Toxic/Substitute/Ice Beam/Thunderbolt

Spite? Pretty sure Clef can't learn that. Anyway, these are my thoughts.

kirby00 November 20th, 2004 10:12 AM

clefa can or clefairy, check serebii. it learns it lI know tho for sure|

Drayano November 21st, 2004 3:16 AM

Can't seem to find it on Serebii, egg move, learn-move, TM, Move Tutor, nothing.

lizardman November 21st, 2004 2:01 PM

okay before u evolve your clefairy to clefable u must learn meteor mash.
held item:leftovers
metore mash(learn from clefairy at level 45)
metronome(learn from clefairy at level 29,or from movetuter)
toxic/softboiled
shadowball/psychic/blizzard

kirby00 November 21st, 2004 5:29 PM

meteor mash isnt as good as a special move b/c its attack is weaker than sp. attack. better to give it psychic to get rid of fighting weakness. metronome is way too risky, blizzard is inaccurate, and toxic is a maybe... u have 2 see the best stats of a pokemon b4 u choose the movesets. i did the annoyer b/c it can tank special moves like blissey can... and its the only pokemon that can use block,spite, and encore on 1 pokemon. but then again im not sure about block...
i could do encore, spite, pursuit, wish/softboiled
also if u did still want clefable to have attack moves then u could go
belly drum, wish, meteor mash, double edge @ leftovers w/ nature -sp attack + def, evs into attack, and def and sp def

Ice demon November 21st, 2004 6:28 PM

Clefable[calm]
EVs - hp, SpDef,Def
sesmic toss
counter
amnesia
wish/encore/moonlight

Used that once with moderate sucess......
try it is u like but keep in mind that it is destroyed by all ghosts

However the usual clefable movesets [see battledex] works the best.

kirby00 November 22nd, 2004 7:32 PM

id rather have encore, spite, softboiled/wish, cosmic power
Evs +def, +sp def, +hp @leftovers
Nature: -attack +def
the only problem is that spite might run out quickly. but either way, clefable will last long w/ healing and cosmic powers and leftovers

Frostweaver November 22nd, 2004 7:48 PM

Clefable can't learn spite >>;

SPP's attackdex gives you the most screwed up results ever. DO NOT USE IT. However, their pokedex on the other hand does give out the accurate info.

kirby00 November 22nd, 2004 8:12 PM

ur right, i found that for alot of moves they didnt match-up. but now the whole strategy i had it ruined...

Ice demon November 24th, 2004 5:18 PM

Yeah but even if it could learn spite wat would be its use?
I mean it cant pass and it can't do damage.
If u try to switch to another poke then that gives the opponent a free DD/CM...

Kholdstaire November 24th, 2004 10:59 PM

Ow, kirby, your posts are painful x_X


Anyway...

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Adamant
-Belly Drum
-Return
-Shadowpal
-Sing/Moonlight

Sing, Drum, Pwn.

kirby00 November 25th, 2004 11:26 AM

u mean shadow ball. and why would u moonlight, it only works 5 times, use wish, also u should have metoer mash if u psyical attack. next time u try 2 outsmart me do it right... also sing has low accuracy, and if the sleeping clause is in effect, they will just switch *which will be on the turn u use belly drum*, then u will be at half life and easily get sweeped.
if its going to psycial attack, *which isnt so good b/c it has more sp attack*
go like this
Wish
belly drum
shadow ball
brick break

*w/ elements ghost and fighting combined, there are NO pokemon that cant resist both, making it the better, psyical version of boltbeam

Kholdstaire November 25th, 2004 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kirby00
u mean shadow ball. and why would u moonlight, it only works 5 times, use wish, also u should have metoer mash if u psyical attack. next time u try 2 outsmart me do it right... also sing has low accuracy, and if the sleeping clause is in effect, they will just switch *which will be on the turn u use belly drum*, then u will be at half life and easily get sweeped

Ok. 1, Moonlight>Wish. Moonlight works the turn you use it. He could die that turn if he uses Wish.

2, Sing DOES have low accuracy. But then again, the chance for sleep is great.

Here is how you work it.

Belly Drum, they switch in their something.
Sing, they sleep.
They Switch, you pwn their monster.

Next time you want to say my rating sucks, battle me online.

kirby00 November 25th, 2004 11:32 AM

i jsut edited my post so read it plz. it has a much better moveset. *i edited it b4 i read ur post, so i didnt see what u wrote till after i finished.
also if u belly drumthey wont switch, when i said switch it was only b/c u put them to sleep, if u belly drum then a psycial attack will most likely knock u out

Kholdstaire November 25th, 2004 11:35 AM

I was posting, you were editing, so no.


And, that moveset isn't anything better than mine. You don't Belly Drum against a physical attacker in the first place ._. DUH. You Belly Drum, they'll try to hit you (nice HP and SDF usually won't result in 50% damage). They'll die to Return/Body Slam, or they'll switch, and get lots of damage. If you Belly Drum while the opponent is a Physical attacker, you are just dumb and should stop playing Pokemon. =[

Trust me, Sing works. And Moonlight>Wish. If you want me to prove it to you, get on NB and make a team with your Clefable in it.

kirby00 November 25th, 2004 11:39 AM

listen, u wish, then the next turn u belly drum, after u belly drum, u get healed at end of turn. with sing, u take up an extra move slot, giving u only 1 move 2 attack. so basically if there is a steel, rock, or ghost pokemon, they will not be hurt very much, or jsut a pokemon that has a lum berry/doesnt fall asleep b/c of ability. and trust me skarmory, shedinja (a lil less popular now), and plenty of other rock, steel or ghost pokemon are very popular whcih hinders the useof return. not to mention the fact that seismic toss/psywave are common and u could also be surprised by mixed sweepers. also if they were special sweepers they would probably haze or simply switch out.

Kholdstaire November 25th, 2004 1:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kholdstaire
Ow, kirby, your posts are painful x_X


Anyway...

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Adamant
-Belly Drum
-Return
-Shadowpal
-Sing/Moonlight

Sing, Drum, Pwn.


Notice how I put a slash in between Sing and Moonlight. Meaning, you pick one ._.

Shuckle November 25th, 2004 2:03 PM

IMHO

Clefable @ Leftovers/Salac Berry
[-SPA +SPD]
Genes into Special D and Attack/HP.

-Moonlight
-Body Slam/Return
-Thunderwave/Another Attacking Move [Use thunderwave if you dont use salac]
-Belly Drum


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