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OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 16th, 2010 3:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Silver25 (Post 6159553)
7 Sages sound like a way better version of the Battle Frontier. Sounds awesome, I can't wait! And this sounds like to me by far the best Elite Four yet! Didn't expect Belle as the Champion. So I guess we'll see her change drastically throughout the story when you talk with her. And I wonder who the two rumored trainers at the end are...

Me too well we know they aren't old characters of the franchise like Red or Blue as the creators said no old characters would appear in Bw...

Fushigidane-Chan September 16th, 2010 3:57 PM

Holy crap - Belle really did turn out to be the Champion! :o And there I was a few months ago, joking how awesome of a plot twist having Belle as the Champion would turn out to be.

GameFreak +9000.

Devil Flamingo September 16th, 2010 4:04 PM

Ew, why is Belle our champion? Dumbest, weakest champion ever, period. In the words of my bff Sean,

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Originally Posted by The Amazing Scizor
I mean, she seems like the kind of girl to fall in "love" at 15, get knocked up, and never see the guy again.

Seriously, what was GameFreak smoking? Why is this dumb bimbo our champ? My Smuglord will NOT be happy about having to battle this weakling. :<

I don't even HATE Belle, I just don't think she's champ material at all. Cheren(sp?) would have been better.

Zhinc September 16th, 2010 4:04 PM

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Originally Posted by dragonomega (Post 6159561)
What Im also bothered is that after the E4 a trainer has Zekrom and Zoroak

I wonder if he/she is unlocked after the sages :O

Zekrom is what bothers me the most.
Only the protaganist (us) gets the legendaries! And what is you have him? Does the other trainer have Reshiram instead?

Yaay, another Dark type Elite Four! Since they didn't get a gym, it's good they got a position in the Elite Four. (:

Perriechu September 16th, 2010 4:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Devil Flamingo (Post 6159612)
Ew, why is Belle our champion? Dumbest, weakest champion ever, period. In the words of my bff Sean,



Seriously, what was GameFreak smoking? Why is this dumb bimbo our champ? My Smuglord will NOT be happy about having to battle this weakling. :<

I don't even HATE Belle, I just don't think she's champ material at all. Cheren(sp?) would have been better.

How would you know?

She's obviously good otherwise she wouldn't have a Lv70 starter would she ?

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 16th, 2010 4:09 PM

Imagine her pokemon in the rematches...she would be stronger than Cynthia :o!

Ho-Oh September 16th, 2010 4:11 PM

Kay now I can properly comment. I love how Belle is the champion - which makes me question Cheren's role, but... wow. Belle was so unexpected, but I think she'll be a tough contender.

Perriechu September 16th, 2010 4:13 PM

Her signature Pokemon is the highest leveled Pokemon that's ever been in the E4 Before rematches :O

She's gonna be tough to take down

Volroc September 16th, 2010 4:16 PM

7sages sounds like a rip off from Zelda :/
even more so that you have to LOOK for them...
seriously, thats what you did in ocarina of time, & a link to the past...
just seems lame to me, they shouldve thought that part through :/
but i guess its in honor of the OoT 3DS remake :/ but still... lame.

the E4 looks great, kinda pissed we have a dark E4 member,& not a gym leader :/
Belle as the champion!? definitely blew my mind, but i love it, its nice to see that both rivals (if Cheren does battle you in the VR) that they both are central to the storyline, unlike in R/S/E where you battle May up to the 7th badge, she drops out& the Wally takes over :/

i love the E4 though, their unique :) thisll definitely be interesting :D

thedestinedblade September 16th, 2010 4:17 PM

How reliable is Pokejungle? They're saying there are 3 champions?

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 16th, 2010 4:19 PM

The ghost E4 looks odd...
I think Belle will be a force to recon with in the rematches and in the first battle:D

rocky505 September 16th, 2010 4:27 PM

Belle could have a chance of being stronger than Red in a rematch 0_o

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 16th, 2010 4:28 PM

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Originally Posted by rocky505 (Post 6159721)
Belle could have a chance of being stronger than Red in a rematch 0_o

Yeah I'm excited at the thought :D!
A girl with the same color scheme as Barry who beated Red's GSC team will beat Red's HGSS team :P

Logiedan September 16th, 2010 4:32 PM

I don't get what's so bad about Belle being a champion. Isn't it like Gary/Green being champion in RBYG/FRLG? :/
I hate the typings for the E4..

thedestinedblade September 16th, 2010 4:38 PM

Are we sure Bell and Cheren aren't champions depending on which version your playing? I have nothing against Bell, I think it's rather cool given her airhead personality.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 16th, 2010 4:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Icebloom (Post 6159759)
Are we sure Bell and Cheren aren't champions depending on which version your playing? I have nothing against Bell, I think it's rather cool given her airhead personality.

I was wondering about that actually, but so far it's only Belle we know of.

Fushigidane-Chan September 16th, 2010 4:46 PM

Speaking of... The Elite Four is structured very awkwardly. The Elite Four only have four Pokemon each, all of which are between 48 to 50. Then Belle comes along with level 66-70 Pokemon - and yet, she still only has four?

PsychoJigglypuff September 16th, 2010 4:54 PM

It is a rather large level gap. I wonder how that will work out...

A Pixy September 16th, 2010 4:57 PM

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Originally Posted by PsychoJigglypuff (Post 6159795)
It is a rather large level gap. I wonder how that will work out...

It's gonna work out poorly for me, that's for sure. :D

Hamilton September 16th, 2010 5:02 PM

all i know is i love the thought of belle as champ is awesome :)
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hurp durp this is the internet blonde girls can't be successful hurp derp
seriously, no offence, that's what you guys sound like
is cheren better? it was even known that belle was going to be tough from the beginning... sooo... yeah
awesome?

LycaNinja September 16th, 2010 5:36 PM

Elite 4 and Champion Information (SPOILER ALERT)
 
Holy crap we have Elite 4 and Champion information...Look away if you don't want to see it...

Elite 1: Shikimi
Type: Ghost
Team: Desukan Lv. 48, Burunkeru Lv. 48, and Shandeera Lv. 50

Elite 2: Giima
Type: Dark
Team: Zuruzukin Lv. 48, Leparudusu Lv. 48, and Kirikizan Lv. 50

Elite 3: Katorena
Type: Psychic
Team: Rankurusu Lv. 48, Musharna Lv. 48, Shinbora Lv. 48, and Gochiruzeru Lv. 50

Elite 4: Renbu
Type: Fighting
Team: Nageki Lv. 48, Dageki Lv. 48, Roopushin Lv. 48, and Kojondo Lv. 50

Champion: Belle!!
Type: Mixed
Team: ???

austy14 September 16th, 2010 5:36 PM

Woah... so lost here. Only thing I've managed to get is that Belle is champion. Cool! :D

LycaNinja September 16th, 2010 5:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Icebloom (Post 6159673)
How reliable is Pokejungle? They're saying there are 3 champions?

Umm... No Belle is the one and only Champion...

You fight 2 others after you are done with the Elite 4 and then after you beat those 2 (Team Plasma Leaders? Zekrom on one of their teams makes me believe that in Black TP catches Zekrom) then you find 7 sages (7 more Gym Leaders! With Ninja Skills! xD)

Fushigidane-Chan September 16th, 2010 5:56 PM

You can battle Cynthia during the Spring and Summer - so much for "no old characters."

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Originally Posted by PokeBeach
Cynthia's Team - Spiritomb, Milotic, Garchomp, Lucario, Wargle, and Shiburudon. All are at Level 75 except for Garchomp, who is Level 77. She comes in Spring and Summer only, but you can battle her as much as you like.


Hamilton September 16th, 2010 6:00 PM

Cynthia, she's a really cool dancer, Cynthia
boogie to the groove now :D (ten points for whoever got the ref)
but yeah, we battle cynthia :)

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 16th, 2010 6:04 PM

...Oh well I hope Steven or Wallance shows up at least :)
wow cynthia is the first champ to in two gens since Blue who you get to battle :)

LycaNinja September 16th, 2010 6:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Fushigidane-Chan (Post 6159951)
You can battle Cynthia during the Spring and Summer - so much for "no old characters."

Maybe the 7 Sages are

Red
Green (The Male One aka Blue)
Lance
Steven
Wallace
Cynthia
Oak

I would buy the game if it was something like that...

thedestinedblade September 16th, 2010 6:06 PM

We can never have too much Cynthia. ;)

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 16th, 2010 6:09 PM

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Originally Posted by LycaNinja (Post 6159976)
Maybe the 7 Sages are

Red
Green (The Male One aka Blue)
Lance
Steven
Wallace
Cynthia
Oak

I would buy the game if it was something like that...

Sadly they already showed them and they were a group of old People so it isn't them though that would have been cool :D
I'm glad to see Cynthia again :D

PaxAmericana September 16th, 2010 7:40 PM

maybe Cynthia will have Isshu-ised her team!

LycaNinja September 16th, 2010 7:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 6159994)

Sadly they already showed them and they were a group of old People so it isn't them though that would have been cool :D
I'm glad to see Cynthia again :D

It could be them in the future when they are old... Also wheres the image of them?

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Originally Posted by Reshiram Man (Post 6160206)
maybe Cynthia will have Isshu-ised her team!

Her team was revealed already she has
Spiritomb, Milotic, Lucario, Wargle and Shiburodon Lv. 75 and Garchomp Lv. 77

JP September 16th, 2010 8:47 PM

I was absolutely amazed to hear Cynthia makes an appearance, and better yet, that you can battle her. I adore Cynthia, she's by far my favorite Champion... so I love the fact she appears.

As for the E4 itself, LOVE the typings! Even more surprised to see a Sinnoh Frontier Brain appear in the listings. Very weird, wonder what that's about. I do like it though. And the Champion of Isshu being Belle is just weird. To me, she doesn't fit the whole "Champion" idea, especially considering the she's "somewhat unreliable and a bit of an airhead"... but I guess that's part of the surprise. I can't say I'm disappointed, just surprised. :D

Cameo September 16th, 2010 9:58 PM

I am actually very pleased by how this turned out to be like. :'3 I wished really hard that there wouldn't be any Dragon-trainers and there isn't. I wished that there would be once again a various type Champion who would be your rival and VOILÁ! The only thing that I am not happy is that for the fourth time already we have a Psychic-type Elite member. We've had Lorelei (basicly she was using Ice-type pokemon but to me they were Ice and Psychic type), Will, Lucian and now this new one that possibly is the woman from the Sinnoh's Battle Frontier. Anyhow I am very pleased and I love especially the new Dark-type user. XD MY FAVORITE ACTUALLY!

Bay September 16th, 2010 9:59 PM

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Originally Posted by JP (Post 6160314)
I was absolutely amazed to hear Cynthia makes an appearance, and better yet, that you can battle her. I adore Cynthia, she's by far my favorite Champion... so I love the fact she appears.

As for the E4 itself, LOVE the typings! Even more surprised to see a Sinnoh Frontier Brain appear in the listings. Very weird, wonder what that's about. I do like it though. And the Champion of Isshu being Belle is just weird. To me, she doesn't fit the whole "Champion" idea, especially considering the she's "somewhat unreliable and a bit of an airhead"... but I guess that's part of the surprise. I can't say I'm disappointed, just surprised. :D

Heh, pretty much surprised too. I always thought Cheren would be the Champion. However, it could be a slight chance the champions are version exclusives, but haven't heard anything about that. One thing though is her Pokemon are like 20 levels higher than the Elite 4's Pokemon. D:

King Gumball September 16th, 2010 10:00 PM

OMG A dark type E4 member!! Knew there would be one since there wasn't a gym leader.

Surprised Belle is the champion though, and I am sooo happy you are able to verse Cynthia.

The Psychic lady is pretty.

Taemin September 16th, 2010 10:00 PM

I think this is one of my favorite Elite Four teams so far. Nice line up of Pokemon, plus their character designs are all pretty cool, in my opinion. I'm looking forward to facing them, and usually I don't care much for the Elite Four past knowing how to beat them down. > >;

MrGriszell September 16th, 2010 10:02 PM

ok if the champions pokemon are such a high level how strong do you think the 7 sages will be......imagine 7 reds!!!!!!

King Gumball September 16th, 2010 10:08 PM

^^^^ Probably late 70's... They might get more poewerful as you verse them.

I like how there is a dark, ghost and Psychic all in a line. They are the most eerie of the pokemon types! And yay the Ghost girl has Shandeera!!

I am also surprised there are 3 girls and only 2 guys in the elite 4 this time around. And Yay for another African American, not that it is a big deal.

Devil Flamingo September 16th, 2010 10:24 PM

I love the Dark and Fighting E4 dudes. :D They're both very hot.

The girls... couldn't care less. Cool, I guess.

I still think Belle is a useless weakling of a champion, though. Good to see Cynthia again, now THAT's a female champion, not this dumb teenage bimbo. In my eyes Belle is no competition and shall never be; from the beginning till the end of the game, she is, as far as I'm concerned, some silly country girl who got to be champion by the combined factors of a little skill, a lot of luck, and being in the right place at the right time. If she were real and I met her I'd be like, "LOL! You call yourself a champion? Looking like that? A Gochiruzeru has better fashion sense, and she's as ugly as a beehive!" and get her angry lolo.

Then I'd kick her ass in the battlefield and lol as she cries and runs away, because I am mean and evil like that, just like a Smuglord. >:3

King Gumball September 16th, 2010 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Devil Flamingo (Post 6160464)
I love the Dark and Fighting E4 dudes. :D They're both very hot.

The girls... couldn't care less. Cool, I guess.

I still think Belle is a useless weakling of a champion, though. Good to see Cynthia again, now THAT's a female champion, not this dumb teenage bimbo. In my eyes Belle is no competition and shall never be; from the beginning till the end of the game, she is, as far as I'm concerned, some silly country girl who got to be champion by the combined factors of a little skill, a lot of luck, and being in the right place at the right time. If she were real and I met her I'd be like, "LOL! You call yourself a champion? Looking like that? A Gochiruzeru has better fashion sense, and she's as ugly as a beehive!" and get her angry lolo.

Then I'd kick her ass in the battlefield and lol as she cries and runs away, because I am mean and evil like that, just like a Smuglord. >:3

LOL

Yeah it is nice to know though that you can kick her ass and de throne her as the champion. She is no champion quality I agree, Cynthia is the most champion like so far! Even more so than Wallace and Lance I think.

I wish it were like FR and LG where there was the champion who got beat and then your rival, and you beat him/her and make them cry and feel bad :)

The Red Chain September 16th, 2010 10:32 PM

I'm digging the fact that the Elite 4 all have types that I love : Ghost, Dark, Psychic, Fighting.

Instead of the Dark/Psychic/Fighting starters I wanted so much, I get it in the Elite 4. Not much, but it'll do. <3 I am extremely happy that we have a ton more stuff to do after the Elite 4 and the Champion. 7 sages? Now that sounds pretty freakin' awesome to me. Old men though.. eh. I was kinda hoping it would be 7 of the past protagonists & rivals or something. But I guess you can't expect youth with the word "sage" in the mix.


MrGriszell September 16th, 2010 10:33 PM

Im sorry i dissagree with the people who says bella doesnt look like a champion

King Gumball September 16th, 2010 10:37 PM

Oh I just read that the Psychic girl is the partner of that Frontier Brain guy in Platinum! HOW COOOOOLLL!! so she can battle and she actually lives in Isshu!

Amazing little gaps are always filled in pokemon which is why I love it so so much.

PlatinumDude September 16th, 2010 10:40 PM

Your second rival (Belle) is the champion? That's surprising. We didn't get our Dark Gym leader, but at least we get another Dark E4 member. Also, it's good to battle Cynthia again.

Devil Flamingo September 16th, 2010 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by MrGriszell (Post 6160475)
Im sorry i dissagree with the people who says bella doesnt look like a champion

Why sorry? It's your opinion. You're entitled to it. You own it, in fact. Don't be sorry! So you like Belle, and you think she's fitting for a champion. That's nothing to be sorry about, it's just your opinion.
I don't agree with it at all, but hey, that's the way it goes. XD Disagreeing with someone's views is nothing that anyone ought to be ashamed or hesitant to talk about. Haters gonna hate, right?

King Gumball September 16th, 2010 10:55 PM

It is weird how all of the E4 members have the same leveled pokemon.... That will make them quite easy to beat. And they are on low levels too.

Livewire September 16th, 2010 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by King Gumball (Post 6160504)
It is weird how all of the E4 members have the same leveled pokemon.... That will make them quite easy to beat. And they are on low levels too.

Technically they're higher than the HG/SS Elite four. Belle's Embou is lvl 70, and Lance never even broke 50, until the rematch.

King Gumball September 16th, 2010 11:11 PM

Yes but remember HGSS E4 had to be lower leveled because there were 2 regions in one, other wise when you get to Kanto your pokemon will be way too high levels and the Kanto E4 would have to be in 80's and 90's.

EDIT: NEW UPDATE:The E4 are more powerful when you rematch them and there is a new champion to replacec Belle on the second time.

Livewire September 16th, 2010 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by King Gumball (Post 6160525)
Yes but remember HGSS E4 had to be lower leveled because there were 2 regions in one, other wise when you get to Kanto your pokemon will be way too high levels and the Kanto E4 would have to be in 80's and 90's.

EDIT: NEW UPDATE:The E4 are more powerful when you rematch them and there is a new champion to replacec Belle on the second time.

True, true. ^^

Does it say who it is? It can't be Cynthia as you already fight her.

Silver25 September 17th, 2010 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Live_Wire466 (Post 6160555)


True, true. ^^

Does it say who it is? It can't be Cynthia as you already fight her.

It's some new guy named Adeku. I'm guessing he is the one with Zoroark because he certainly sports a similar hairstyle. So that leaves at least one more unknown trainer after the Elite Four...

abood321 September 17th, 2010 1:03 AM

the elite four are easy to beat, they have four Pokemons instead of five
they aren't very challenging like D/P/Pt

Mew~ September 17th, 2010 1:20 AM

It's great to see cynthia!~ I hope she has even better battle music this time too! :3!~

The Elite 4 Looks awsome! Im a bit suprised Belle is the champion!~

Shinjiro September 17th, 2010 2:22 AM

Hahaha! Cool. Cynthia appear again. And now in Isshu!? Cool! I'd love to see her. She's one of my most favorite too!

Crysta Blade September 17th, 2010 2:52 AM

I wonder if the Elite Four will get upgrades in future battles like in HG/SS...Although there's quite a large gap in levels between the Champion and the rest of the Elite Four.

thedestinedblade September 17th, 2010 3:03 AM

A party of four seems kinda strange, but for the rematches they have a party of five with pokemon from previous generations with levels around 70. Yeah, and that Adeku guy is the new champion. Almost seems like the fist time through the E4 is just a warm-up.

And is the Psychic E4 member Caitlan like some sites are suggesting?

King Gumball September 17th, 2010 4:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Icebloom (Post 6160767)
A party of four seems kinda strange, but for the rematches they have a party of five with pokemon from previous generations with levels around 70. Yeah, and that Adeku guy is the new champion. Almost seems like the fist time through the E4 is just a warm-up.

And is the Psychic E4 member Caitlan like some sites are suggesting?


Yes she is. Which is really cool

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 17th, 2010 6:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Crysta Blade (Post 6160751)
I wonder if the Elite Four will get upgrades in future battles like in HG/SS...Although there's quite a large gap in levels between the Champion and the rest of the Elite Four.

Yeah we do and even the Champion is replace in the second match...

Devil Flamingo September 17th, 2010 6:48 AM

The new champion is uber-hot. I want him for myself. >:3 Also, he seems to favour Bug Pokemon (has Agiruda, Shubarugo, Urugamosu) which is a major bonus in my opinion.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 17th, 2010 6:51 AM

Eh I prefer Belle over this guy as champ as he reminds me of Pearl's dad...

RYOUKI September 17th, 2010 6:55 AM

I actually like that there's a new Champion besides Belle. Atleast it gets interesting, and it's no fun that your childhood friend is STILL the champion even though your better than her...

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 17th, 2010 6:56 AM

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Originally Posted by RYOUKI (Post 6161062)
I actually like that there's a new Champion besides Belle. Atleast it gets interesting, and it's no fun that your childhood friend is STILL the champion even though your better than her...

Well I like it too, I hope the third champ is another Girl :)

JP September 17th, 2010 6:57 AM

The new Champion is totally cool. I would have been surprised if they had kept Belle even for the rematches, so this is not so surprising. His design is totally cool though. A little disappointed he only uses Isshu Pokemon though, unlike the rest of the E4 in the rematches. I guess that's simply to fit the title of the Isshu Champion though. :P

Shinjiro September 17th, 2010 6:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 6161054)
Eh I prefer Belle over this guy as champ as he reminds me of Pearl's dad...

Yeah. I agree. But I've never thought Bel would be the Champ in Isshu. I was actually thought it would be like N, Iris, and any other smart/talented Pokemon Trainers ^ ^

Silver25 September 17th, 2010 7:12 AM

So he isn't the trainer with Zoroark and Zekrom. His team consists of Agirudaa, Buffalon, Kurimugan, Baibanira, Shubarugo, and Urugamosu. All his Pokemon are level 75 except for his Urugamosu. Then who is the other trainer?

Planetes. September 17th, 2010 11:51 AM

<3 he will prolly be the last fighting E4 for a long time thohttp://pokebeach.com/news/0910/black-white/e4-renbu.jpg

Fushigidane-Chan September 17th, 2010 11:59 AM

In the rematches, the first Elite Four member has five Pokemon, while the rest of them have six.

Ugh. My OCD is gonna kill me with that.

Kanto_Johto September 17th, 2010 1:16 PM

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Belle the one who choses the starter with the type disadvantage to yours?

If so, that is the only thing that annoys me about her being champion. Other than that, it's a nice twist.

Ralfisme September 17th, 2010 1:28 PM

yea she is but the thing that bothers me more is that she has only 4 pokemon :s but i stil like it.

King Gumball September 17th, 2010 2:02 PM

Her pokemon might have pro moves though :O

thedestinedblade September 17th, 2010 2:04 PM

I must say the fighting type E4 looks pretty badass.

Fushigidane-Chan September 17th, 2010 2:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Kid nino (Post 6161887)
Four Pokemon? I feel like this is gonna be too easy even if the levels are a bit higher.

Actually, we were misinformed.

Here's Belle's actual team: Lv.63 Muurando, Lv.63 Baokey/Hiyakey/Yanakey, Lv.63 Musharna, Lv.63 Kojondo, Lv. Chandelar, Lv.65 Daikenki/Jaroda/Enbuoh

Planetes. September 17th, 2010 2:23 PM

Wait a second.....4 Pokemon ranging from lvls 48-50
hmm....
http://i980.photobucket.com/albums/ae289/CKmaster/th_isshu-pokemon-115.jpg?t=1284762148
seems to easy...
http://i980.photobucket.com/albums/ae289/CKmaster/th_isshu-pokemon-131-1.jpg?t=1284762148
this is odd....
http://i980.photobucket.com/albums/ae289/CKmaster/th_isshu-pokemon-82.jpg?t=1284762148
wait! what if?!
http://i980.photobucket.com/albums/ae289/CKmaster/th_isshu-pokemon-126.jpg?t=1284762148
WE CAN'T HEAL BETWEEN E4 OMG OMG OMG OMG

King Gumball September 17th, 2010 2:23 PM

^^^
Fushigidane-Chan--

Thats better. Though I still don't think she will be very hard as you would have battled her several times so you know how she battles. It wasn't a massive surprise like Cynthia or the other CHamps. I do like however that Belle has no particular type.

Charmageddon September 18th, 2010 5:23 AM

Four Pokemon? What is this I don't even. Come on GameFreak, I was looking for a challenge. Save a massive level difference (which I doubt there will be), six Pokemon will walk over four any day of the week.

And as for the typings... Psychic, Dark, Fighting and Ghost? *facepalms* There are 4 types we've still never had in the Elite Four, and you go with 4 types we've had twice before? That's just... it's almost as stupid as the Fire/Fighting starter. Not to mention the stupidity of having a Dark-type E4 instead of gym leader...

Corruptodile September 18th, 2010 5:37 AM

While I am a bit disheartened by the fact new types are being exploited as a E4 speciality, I am glad that they all link in with each other (sort off) resistance wise.

Maxite September 18th, 2010 7:07 AM

Gym Leaders and Elite Four are pretty tamed down this Generation. However, I love the Dark-Psychic-Fight-Ghost typings for them. Those four types are heavily interrelated, so it makes sense for them to all be together in one group.

blue September 18th, 2010 7:55 AM

Was anyone else surprised when they found out Belle/Beru was the champion?

ManhattanTheStarr September 18th, 2010 7:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Suicune™ (Post 6163771)
Was anyone else surprised when they found out Belle/Beru was the champion?

Heck yeah, I was. I expected the champion to just be some random person, not your rival. Even though it was done in R/B/Y (I think?) it seems strange for some reason. I mean, all of a sudden you get to the E4 to see that SHE'S the champion? How far ahead of you is she, anyways? O_O

blue September 18th, 2010 7:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Charmageddon (Post 6163468)
Four Pokemon? What is this I don't even. Come on GameFreak, I was looking for a challenge. Save a massive level difference (which I doubt there will be), six Pokemon will walk over four any day of the week.

And as for the typings... Psychic, Dark, Fighting and Ghost? *facepalms* There are 4 types we've still never had in the Elite Four, and you go with 4 types we've had twice before? That's just... it's almost as stupid as the Fire/Fighting starter. Not to mention the stupidity of having a Dark-type E4 instead of gym leader...

I think they've evened it out.. for example, the champion (Belle)'s Pokemon (First time round) are level 66 - 70, which is usually the levels once you rematch the E4.

pokeaziz16 September 18th, 2010 9:39 AM

so belle is the champion?? cool. and i also like it if she have several type of pokemon ;)

Planetes. September 18th, 2010 9:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Charmageddon (Post 6163468)
Four Pokemon? What is this I don't even. Come on GameFreak, I was looking for a challenge. Save a massive level difference (which I doubt there will be), six Pokemon will walk over four any day of the week.

And as for the typings... Psychic, Dark, Fighting and Ghost? *facepalms* There are 4 types we've still never had in the Elite Four, and you go with 4 types we've had twice before? That's just... it's almost as stupid as the Fire/Fighting starter. Not to mention the stupidity of having a Dark-type E4 instead of gym leader...

reposting this as it might answer your question/rant

Wait a second.....4 Pokemon ranging from lvls 48-50
hmm....
http://i980.photobucket.com/albums/ae289/CKmaster/th_isshu-pokemon-115.jpg?t=1284762148
seems to easy...
http://i980.photobucket.com/albums/ae289/CKmaster/th_isshu-pokemon-131-1.jpg?t=1284762148
this is odd....
http://i980.photobucket.com/albums/ae289/CKmaster/th_isshu-pokemon-82.jpg?t=1284762148
wait! what if?!
http://i980.photobucket.com/albums/ae289/CKmaster/th_isshu-pokemon-126.jpg?t=1284762148
WE CAN'T HEAL BETWEEN E4 OMG OMG OMG OMG

560cool. September 18th, 2010 9:45 AM

We can't heal between the Elite 4...?
Wow, stupid.
I am also surprised : 4 POKEMON ? OMG What...? And not to mention the Huge Lv. Gap (20 Levels...).
But I know why : After you clear the Elite 4, a huge building gets summoned by N and he final storyline stuff happens. I think this explains it...

blue September 18th, 2010 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by ManhattanTheStarr (Post 6163779)
Heck yeah, I was. I expected the champion to just be some random person, not your rival. Even though it was done in R/B/Y (I think?) it seems strange for some reason. I mean, all of a sudden you get to the E4 to see that SHE'S the champion? How far ahead of you is she, anyways? O_O

Yeah and if it was to be the rival as the champion, I would have expected Cheren to be the champion, but it's a change and I like it, she's got a strong team too :)

Planetes. September 18th, 2010 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by 560cool. (Post 6164066)
We can't heal between the Elite 4...?
Wow, stupid.
I am also surprised : 4 POKEMON ? OMG What...? And not to mention the Huge Lv. Gap (20 Levels...).
But I know why : After you clear the Elite 4, a huge building gets summoned by N and he final storyline stuff happens. I think this explains it...

nah that's just a guess I don't think its confirmed or anything but I could totally see it happening.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 18th, 2010 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by AceDragonite (Post 6164329)
nah that's just a guess I don't think its confirmed or anything but I could totally see it happening.

Well that would be cool and challenging if true :)

austy14 September 18th, 2010 1:38 PM

Um, does anyone know how the post-elite four thing goes? I read it but didn't get it. So, is that between the E4 in the champion? Or after the champion? Either way it looks epic.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 18th, 2010 1:41 PM

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Originally Posted by austy14 (Post 6164709)
Um, does anyone know how the post-elite four thing goes? I read it but didn't get it. So, is that between the E4 in the champion? Or after the champion? Either way it looks epic.

Yeah I don't understand that N appearing part either but I'm going to wait until I get the game myself to figure that out :P

liliebiehlina3siste September 18th, 2010 3:06 PM

I'm glad Katorea finally fights on her own, but why did she moved to Isshu? But YAY Cynthia appears again (she's everywhere :| )

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 18th, 2010 3:11 PM

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Originally Posted by liliebiehlina3siste (Post 6165020)
I'm glad Katorea finally fights on her own, but why did she moved to Isshu? But YAY Cynthia appears again (she's everywhere :| )

I wonder if this might be in the past and she went from Isshu E4 to Sinnoh/Johto BF...
Yeah she is, she has appeared in DPPlHgSsBW so far...that's the most games a champ has appeared in not counting Red, Blue or lance as they had yet to gain or lost their title...

King Gumball September 18th, 2010 3:18 PM

Where did she appear in HG/SS and Diamond and Peal?

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 18th, 2010 3:21 PM

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Originally Posted by King Gumball (Post 6165068)
Where did she appear in HG/SS and Diamond and Peal?

Oh I'm talking about Cynthia appearing in all those games but the psychic E4 appeared in HgSs too in the BF only you don't battle her...I wonder if she might have gotten hurt in Isshu and she can no longer battle...

Bay September 19th, 2010 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by austy14 (Post 6164709)
Um, does anyone know how the post-elite four thing goes? I read it but didn't get it. So, is that between the E4 in the champion? Or after the champion? Either way it looks epic.

Going to put in spoilers incase no one wants to be spoiled over the ending. XD

Spoiler:
Didn't play the games yet (going to wait until the US release), but I watched a livestream of someone playing the ROM version of it.

What happens is after you defeat the last Elite 4, you go inside the Champion hall, but the Champion (not Belle, but a different person named Adeku) and N were arguing. Later N suddenly makes an ancient castle appear (how he did that I'm not sure XD). You then have to go to up to the castle and meet N. He brought out Zekrom/Reshiram (whichever version you're playing, but the livestream I saw had N bringing out Zekrom) and then after that you're able to bring out the other dragon after one of the items activates.

You first have to capture one of the dragons and then you battle N. After you defeat N, Geechisu wants to challenge you. Both have six Pokemon with them. After defeating Geechisu, he's taken away and then N says farewell to you. Not sure what he said there at the end, but according to Pokebeach it seems N rethinks his beliefs after your Pokemon told him they love you and resolves to journey around Isshu to search for answers and such.

Post-game from what I hear you'll be able to get a rematch with the Elite 4 and also go against the champion.


Hope this helps if you're curious. If you don't want to spoil yourself though, that's fine too. XD;

As for me, I'm okay with four Pokemon per Elite 4, considering what's going to happen after that. :x

King Gumball September 19th, 2010 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 6165080)

Oh I'm talking about Cynthia appearing in all those games but the psychic E4 appeared in HgSs too in the BF only you don't battle her...I wonder if she might have gotten hurt in Isshu and she can no longer battle...


Ooooh okay, thanks :) I dont think she got hurt, maybe she is just a BF of the Battle Brain dude but lives in Isshu.

GoldvsRed September 20th, 2010 5:46 PM

I'm a bit confused as to how it's all going down. Almost all of the sources I've read say that Bel is the Champion, but the gameplay video I was watching shows the credits rolling after Geechisu is defeated. I also know that Adeku is battled after returning to fight the Elite Four again... So, is Bel ever battled as a Champion? Or is her position in the League only ever mentioned during cutscenes? Or does she appear during the first rematch, but none of the subsequent ones? I'm confused.

Spikey-Eared Pichu September 20th, 2010 5:52 PM

Belle is the Champion during the storyline. BUT, after the whole thing with N, Belle is replaced by Adeku.

JP September 20th, 2010 5:54 PM

So you never get the chance to battle Belle as the Champion? :0

Spikey-Eared Pichu September 20th, 2010 5:58 PM

It would appear as such. No fighting Belle.

austy14 September 20th, 2010 5:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 6165040)
I wonder if this might be in the past and she went from Isshu E4 to Sinnoh/Johto BF...
Yeah she is, she has appeared in DPPlHgSsBW so far...that's the most games a champ has appeared in not counting Red, Blue or lance as they had yet to gain or lost their title...

I always thought either she was too young to battle, didn't have any pokemon, or was afraid to battle. So I think DPPt is before Isshu, and then maybe she got oler/overcame her fear of battling. Though, her fear of battle could be because she got beaten in Isshu? Because I don't see how an injury stops you from battling... unless she became mute? Lost a connection to Pokemon? XD

JP September 20th, 2010 6:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Spikey-Eared Pichu (Post 6171040)
It would appear as such. No fighting Belle.

Interesting... I wonder what the point of her even becoming Champion in the story is then? Maybe something to do with her and her Dad not wanting her to be a trainer... or something. XD I'm not that familiar with the story yet.

GoldvsRed September 20th, 2010 6:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Spikey-Eared Pichu (Post 6171040)
It would appear as such. No fighting Belle.

Aaaw, I was looking forward to seeing Bel as a total badass. I still find it weird how the main antagonist is actually the final boss for once. I was hoping that Bel would be fightable (which is a word now, I say) after you dealt with Geechisu, but, meh, whatcha' gonna' do. On a sidenote, Geechisu's battle theme reminds me a lot of Arceus's.


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