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Olliee August 21st, 2010 4:24 PM

A new Cast.. form?
 
Okay so I was thinking about this earlier, and It became apparent that it is completely possible that with this new weather system that we may get a new Castform weather change.

Is it possible that we could get new castform changes? sandstorm castform? Thunderstorm castform?

What do you guys think? :o

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg90/OlliesIchuStuff/Castform_Forms_by_ShinyUmbreon.png

Poeman August 21st, 2010 4:25 PM

Bro we can't see files from your computer

Cacttus August 21st, 2010 4:26 PM

You'll need to upload those files on like photobucket or some other photo sharing site.

I also doubt there will be a new Castform seeing how it already changes to what looks like rain,sun and some type of storm (most likely snow) which is really the major storms people usually get.

Olliee August 21st, 2010 4:27 PM

I know ;-; Removed them now, t'was just a castform pic XD

Mirby August 21st, 2010 4:27 PM

I wonder. We've had 2 evos of Porygon, maybe this could be a Castform evo! It would be fitting.

Olliee August 21st, 2010 4:28 PM

I wasn't necessarily reffering to castform evolving as such, just wondering if we could get any more forms of its ability :o

Mirby August 21st, 2010 6:51 PM

Well I just think a new evo would be cool. Everytime Porygon's appeared in a new region, he's earned a new evo. I thought it could apply to Castform as well.

Eh, no matter. More forms would be cool.

Xander Olivieri August 21st, 2010 7:18 PM

They'll have to give Castform a generic Rock attack AND Sandstorm if it were to have a Sandstorm form.

Shikijika seems to be the new Castform for Black and White so I doubt it'll get any love this late since it's release.

Olliee August 21st, 2010 7:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 6093076)
They'll have to give Castform a generic Rock attack AND Sandstorm if it were to have a Sandstorm form.

Shikijika seems to be the new Castform for Black and White so I doubt it'll get any love this late since it's release.


We'll have to see what happens I guess! :3

King Gumball August 21st, 2010 7:47 PM

A sandstorm isn't weather...

Xander Olivieri August 21st, 2010 7:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King Gumball (Post 6093140)
A sandstorm isn't weather...

Its considered a weather altering attack.

"A dust storm or sandstorm is a meteorological phenomenon common in arid and semi-arid regions. Dust storms arise when a gust front blows loose sand and dust from a dry surface. Particles are transported by saltation and suspension, causing soil erosion from one place and deposition in another. ..."

Googled Sandstorm.

It is a weather phenomenon. Found mostly in arid locations like a desert. Since its too localized, I guess you can rule it out as conventional weather, but it is still a weather based phenomenon.

EDIT: In other news: Castform wouldn't even be available until after the national dex so this really seems highly unlikely unless they have extra stuff for the main story or even a side story after you attain the National Dex in game. At that point, the game's actual play though is officially over and you just get the out of region Pokemon spawned all over the place. Castform getting a new form would prolly be something that would have to be introduced before but who knows.

Åzurε August 21st, 2010 9:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 6093076)
They'll have to give Castform a generic Rock attack AND Sandstorm if it were to have a Sandstorm form.

Shikijika seems to be the new Castform for Black and White so I doubt it'll get any love this late since it's release.

Rock throw at Lv.10 and Sandstorm at Lv.20. Boom. Now, what would it look like? A yellow/brown bubble for it's head, or just something swirly?

myrrh25 August 22nd, 2010 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 6093152)
EDIT: In other news: Castform wouldn't even be available until after the national dex so this really seems highly unlikely unless they have extra stuff for the main story or even a side story after you attain the National Dex in game. At that point, the game's actual play though is officially over and you just get the out of region Pokemon spawned all over the place. Castform getting a new form would prolly be something that would have to be introduced before but who knows.

Luvdisc got an evolution though, didn't it? And you won't get Luvdisc until after the main storyline :P

Olliee August 22nd, 2010 1:41 AM

I guess anything is entirely possible untill September 18th :P

Shermin August 22nd, 2010 3:46 AM

i agree with this. we need a sandstorm castform!

Kanto_Johto August 22nd, 2010 4:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by myrrh25 (Post 6093678)

Luvdisc got an evolution though, didn't it? And you won't get Luvdisc until after the main storyline :P

This is not 100% true. Nobody has confirmed that it's a Luvdisc evo yet. That's just the assumption everyone has gone with. Makes sense, yes, but nobody can be certain sure yet.

Arolu August 22nd, 2010 6:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Haowakeorden (Post 6092962)
I couldn't understand why they didn't make a separate Castform form for Sandstorm. I'd certainly like to see that in Black and White.

I agree with this; there should be a Sand Form. Although, it's understandable why there isn't; all the other Form's are based off weather conditions while a Sandstorm is a natural disaster (or something like that...)

Olliee August 22nd, 2010 8:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Arolu (Post 6094031)
I agree with this; there should be a Sand Form. Although, it's understandable why there isn't; all the other Form's are based off weather conditions while a Sandstorm is a natural disaster (or something like that...)

I agree, but I am also pretty confident that sandstorm will be part of the weather change thing we have now.

Tyxomm August 22nd, 2010 9:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Haowakeorden (Post 6092962)
I couldn't understand why they didn't make a separate Castform form for Sandstorm. I'd certainly like to see that in Black and White.

Lol,. I also think he should have a sandstorm form.
Sunny Day - form
Rain Dance - form
Hail - form
All those weathers effects are causable by pokemon attack.
So IMO sandstorm should also have it's form.
And a Fog form would also be nice.

Xander Olivieri August 22nd, 2010 9:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kanto_Johto (Post 6093893)
This is not 100% true. Nobody has confirmed that it's a Luvdisc evo yet. That's just the assumption everyone has gone with. Makes sense, yes, but nobody can be certain sure yet.

Yes thank you. Mamebou (however you spell it) isn't confirmed as an evolution. It could be a single stage or the evolved form of another fish not yet released. Since they have yet to release an evolutionary form to an existing line pre Gen 5, we don't even know if there are any evolutions in this one. If they do the whole reset idea, there may not be any new evolutions or preevolutions from the previous generations at all. (prays and hopes)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyxomm (Post 6094399)
Lol,. I also think he should have a sandstorm form.
Sunny Day - form
Rain Dance - form
Hail - form
All those weathers effects are causable by pokemon attack.
So IMO sandstorm should also have it's form.
And a Fog form would also be nice.

There is no move to make Fog so that one is highly unlikely until they add a move for it.

Kevin August 22nd, 2010 9:29 AM

Didn't they say they're having a completely new Isshu Pokedex, which means no old Pokemon? =P Doesn't that mean Castform won't be in the dex, since a new form would still mean Castform's original form, and Castform won't fit in the new Isshu dex?
xD;
But I would love a Sandstorm form. And the Fog form for Castform I think is its original form, since in the fog in D/P/Pt, Weather Ball is normal.

Xander Olivieri August 22nd, 2010 9:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Destiny Demon (Post 6094460)
Didn't they say they're having a completely new Isshu Pokedex, which means no old Pokemon? =P Doesn't that mean Castform won't be in the dex, since a new form would still mean Castform's original form, and Castform won't fit in the new Isshu dex?
xD;
But I would love a Sandstorm form. And the Fog form for Castform I think is its original form, since in the fog in D/P/Pt, Weather Ball is normal.

Please see my larger post earlier. Castform won't be available in Black and White until After you get the National Dex.

Tyxomm August 22nd, 2010 9:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 6094426)
There is no move to make Fog so that one is highly unlikely until they add a move for it.

I know, but it would be nice to have as new from.
And a Fog move would be sweet, it would lower the enemy's accuracy every turn automatically.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Destiny Demon (Post 6094460)
And the Fog form for Castform I think is its original form, since in the fog in D/P/Pt, Weather Ball is normal.

I'm OK with that.

minchan August 22nd, 2010 10:18 AM

I don't think it'd be that strange for a new castform form. Think about DP. Magmortar. It's a new pokemon in gen4 but wasn't available in the main game (pre nat-dex), in fact there was a massive LACK of fire types...

But back on the point, there's no telling what they'll do. They're implementing new things every generation so it's not out of the question.

There's a difference between hail/rain vs sun vs sandstorm
all are weather but hail/rain are both precipitation, sunny weather in thr result of the earth's exposure to the sun, and sandstorms are caused by wind blowing around dust... (and google sandstorm and it's funny cos the first web page result it bulbapedia. =P)
anyway my point is that hail/raindance are both different from sunny day so it's not that strange for another different weather effect to get a castform form.

a fog move or form would be interesting. but fog hasn't really been implemented too much in the games. there wasnt many areas in sinnoh to use defog and there haven't been implementations in hgss of it either... i doubt it'll be used but ya never know. =D

sorry if what i said was kinda confusing. XD

Xander Olivieri August 22nd, 2010 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by minchan (Post 6094601)
I don't think it'd be that strange for a new castform form. Think about DP. Magmortar. It's a new pokemon in gen4 but wasn't available in the main game (pre nat-dex), in fact there was a massive LACK of fire types...

But back on the point, there's no telling what they'll do. They're implementing new things every generation so it's not out of the question.

There's a difference between hail/rain vs sun vs sandstorm
all are weather but hail/rain are both precipitation, sunny weather in thr result of the earth's exposure to the sun, and sandstorms are caused by wind blowing around dust... (and google sandstorm and it's funny cos the first web page result it bulbapedia. =P)
anyway my point is that hail/raindance are both different from sunny day so it's not that strange for another different weather effect to get a castform form.

a fog move or form would be interesting. but fog hasn't really been implemented too much in the games. there wasnt many areas in sinnoh to use defog and there haven't been implementations in hgss of it either... i doubt it'll be used but ya never know. =D

sorry if what i said was kinda confusing. XD

Just want to point out that Sunny day's original name was Clear Skies. Basically not actual weather just clear sky with no cloud cover.

JojoX2 August 22nd, 2010 11:21 AM

Am I the only one who doesn´t buy the "sandstorm is a natural disaster and no weather" thing? I mean, hail is ALSO a natural disaster.

I think it would be possible to see a new Castform form(lol), because that absolutely does not depend on where you obtain it. Tons of old pokemon will receive move updates(and have in the past) despite not being in the Isshu dex, which proves that not being in local pokedex doesn´t mean "no updates".

Kelp August 22nd, 2010 11:32 AM

I don't care how useful/effective it would be, but a sandstorm Castform would be pretty cool. :3

Dominus Temporis August 22nd, 2010 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by JojoX2 (Post 6094792)
Am I the only one who doesn´t buy the "sandstorm is a natural disaster and no weather" thing? I mean, hail is ALSO a natural disaster.

I think it would be possible to see a new Castform form(lol), because that absolutely does not depend on where you obtain it. Tons of old pokemon will receive move updates(and have in the past) despite not being in the Isshu dex, which proves that not being in local pokedex doesn´t mean "no updates".

I agree with this, 100%. Let's also recall that Rotom and Giratina obtained new forms in-between games of the same generation, so don't count Castform out quite yet. I'd give it at least a chance, seeing as how GameFreak's been paying attention to some fan requests. They added the new weather monitor, speeding up the battles, so why not adding some new form changes for good old Casty?

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire August 22nd, 2010 3:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Twilight Sky (Post 6095331)
I'm not sure if this has ever been said already(I haven't really been bothered to cruise around this thread) but isn't Shijika the new Gen V castform? I doubt we'll be having more castform....forms, especially when another Gen V Pokemon does similar things to it, really. D:

I guess you can call Shijika a Shaymin-esque, but at the same time it does have traces of castform in it, too.

Yeah but Shijika keeps that form for a longer period of time unlike Castform, that's one difference.

Olliee August 22nd, 2010 4:12 PM

I just think that with this new Weather System, it would be the perfect opportunity to introduce some more castfroms.

Xander Olivieri August 22nd, 2010 4:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Olliee (Post 6095593)
I just think that with this new Weather System, it would be the perfect opportunity to introduce some more castfroms.

What weather system exactly. I know I've seen it discussed vaguely here (this forums) but I've never seen an announcement on it on Bulbapedia or on Serebii.

Olliee August 22nd, 2010 4:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 6095626)
What weather system exactly. I know I've seen it discussed vaguely here (this forums) but I've never seen an announce
ment on it on Bulbapedia or on Serebii.


There is going to be a Weather Indecator, so when the weather changes, there will be a small icon or something telling you what weather is on field.

Surmonter August 22nd, 2010 5:23 PM

I'm not really surprised about Castform not having a Sandstorm thing because..well..

1. Droughts are actual weather conditions. So Castform has a form for that.
2. Hail/Snow are actual weather conditions. So Castform has a form for that.
3. Rain is a an actual weather condition. So Castform has a form for that.
4. Sandstorms themselves are not actual weather conditions, but they're caused by weather conditions (i.e. windy conditions.)

The fact that Weather Ball turns into rock (or ground, don't remember) in a Sandstorm but Castform doesn't is a huge contradiction on Gamefreak and Nintendo's parts though.

Oh well. Deal with it?

austy14 August 22nd, 2010 6:07 PM

I honestly doubt that all of a sudden castform likes sandstorms and transforms... I mean, if there were new weather conditions I would believe a new form but not to a pre-existing weater condition.

Xander Olivieri August 22nd, 2010 6:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Surmonter (Post 6095801)
I'm not really surprised about Castform not having a Sandstorm thing because..well..

1. Droughts are actual weather conditions. So Castform has a form for that.
2. Hail/Snow are actual weather conditions. So Castform has a form for that.
3. Rain is a an actual weather condition. So Castform has a form for that.
4. Sandstorms themselves are not actual weather conditions, but they're caused by weather conditions (i.e. windy conditions.)

The fact that Weather Ball turns into rock (or ground, don't remember) in a Sandstorm but Castform doesn't is a huge contradiction on Gamefreak and Nintendo's parts though.

Oh well. Deal with it?


Rain and Snow are byproducts of weather conditions just like Sandstorm. Water evaporates due to heat brought by a clear day that eventually cools off and is pushed around by winds until it has collected enough moisture that the cloud then falls apart and it rains. The Wind is already there and the heat is from a sunny day. Snow is rain but in a colder environment.

A sandstorm may just be sand and dust pushed by wind, but that wind has to be created by a depression in that area, and its not just a wind, its called a sand storm because a storm has to pull the sand with it. There is actual weather involved in it. You can have a storm with no rain, snow or sand. All three are also localized.

austy14 August 22nd, 2010 6:55 PM

Ooh, yes. I would love high winds to be a weather condition, and maybe a "windy" castform.

Ho-Oh August 22nd, 2010 10:28 PM

A wind-based Castform? I like. I can actually sort of imagine that looking something similar to Altaria.

King Gumball August 22nd, 2010 10:54 PM

Sandstorm castform is a no for me. Snow is counted as a weather and sandstorms are caused by weather. I know sandstorms are considered weather in the game and there is sandstorm the move, but it still seems very unlikely IMO.

However there is wind which is a possibility. But what move would make it windy? We have hail and rain dance and sunny day, but no windy move.

dragonite149 August 23rd, 2010 12:33 AM

Castform forms
 
I think it WILL get a new form. Eevee, Porygon, Magmar, Togetic and Electabuzz got new evos in D/P even though they weren't in the regional dex. So even if Castform isn't in the regional dex that doesn't mean it can't get new forms.

King Gumball August 23rd, 2010 12:45 AM

I honestly think that Castfom is replaced by Shijika and Castform will be forgotten. Castform was good at the time but now they have a new form pokemon that changes through seasons not weather. I think they have just moved on

xDaisuke0 August 23rd, 2010 2:00 AM

Fog was annoying because i had to defog it ~_~ I actually used it on my primary flying type and it was such a waste~

But maybe fog could a weather type that could be occured by a move OR by area, except it doesnt cloud up your whole screen. This way it could create another weather effect + not get in your way as for you to use defog.

There should be more weather for castform to have more forms though. But so far, sandstorm and fog could be implemented.

Mirby August 23rd, 2010 2:03 AM

Heck, Fog form could have increased evasion against SP attacks, and Sandstorm form against physical.

bhavit August 23rd, 2010 2:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King Gumball (Post 6096504)
I honestly think that Castfom is replaced by Shijika and Castform will be forgotten. Castform was good at the time but now they have a new form pokemon that changes through seasons not weather. I think they have just moved on

I agree with you but I dont think Castform will be forgotten
Its the favourite of many people including me. :)

Zelda August 23rd, 2010 3:07 AM

I honestly don't think it will be the fact that Castform will be forgotten, but the fact that this game seems to leaning towards new. Castform could be replaced by a different pokémon for the new gen, because they might just be trying not to bring back so much of the other pokémon and bring in new ones. They did mention they will be adding in seasonal pokémon so there could be out one that will be like Castform. Yes a copy, but that's just what they do. XD;

Zackraa August 23rd, 2010 4:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Olliee (Post 6092530)
Okay so I was thinking about this earlier, and It became apparent that it is completely possible that with this new weather system that we may get a new Castform weather change.

Is it possible that we could get new castform changes? sandstorm castform? Thunderstorm castform?

What do you guys think? :o

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg90/OlliesIchuStuff/Castform_Forms_by_ShinyUmbreon.png

simply put.. No

why?
spring showers brings may flowers = water form
summer is sunny = fire form
fall though may result in castform being in its plain form or.. this could be where they add a new form but I don't see it happening
winter = ice form

Olliee August 23rd, 2010 4:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zackraa (Post 6096746)
simply put.. No

why?
spring showers brings may flowers = water form
summer is sunny = fire form
fall though may result in castform being in its plain form or.. this could be where they add a new form but I don't see it happening
winter = ice form

That can't really be used as a reason why Castform will not get anything new, weather changes all the time, heck in England we have blizzards in march.

Blastin'Tyruntz August 23rd, 2010 12:44 PM

there is a move for fog!
it called mist you idiot! (no offence its an habit)

sorry i cursed you man....but you realy dont know tht move???
and i wil like to see a sandstorm,fog and a dark form....(mabye turning only when its night...)

Xander Olivieri August 23rd, 2010 3:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by idankingo (Post 6097645)
there is a move for fog!
it called mist you idiot! (no offence its an habit)

sorry i cursed you man....but you realy dont know tht move???
and i wil like to see a sandstorm,fog and a dark form....(mabye turning only when its night...)

Ok. Now tell us how Mist is a weather based attack that creates fog on the battle field and lowers the accuracy of all the Pokemon present when Mist prevents Stat reduction for five turns for your team. Explain how they are related now.

Before you call someone out do your freakin homework. Fog and Mist are not the same thing.

"We have just learnt about water up in the air condensing high in the sky to form clouds. However, this moisture can also condense closer to the ground, to form what we know as mist and fog.

But what is the difference between mist and fog? The answer lies in their thickness – and how far we can see through them (ie: the visibility). If we can see less than 1 km through the cloud of water droplets, it is known as fog. If we can see between 1 and 2 km, we call it mist.

Although mist is not as thick as fog, they are both formed in this same way. Mist, however, usually stays closer to the ground and you can see over the top of it. Mist is often seen on autumn mornings when nights get longer and cooler again. This is particularly true in valleys, because cold air sinks down and collects in the valley during the night."

Formed the same way, but are two different things.

Ho-Oh August 23rd, 2010 4:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by idankingo (Post 6097645)
there is a move for fog!
it called mist you idiot! (no offence its an habit)

sorry i cursed you man....but you realy dont know tht move???
and i wil like to see a sandstorm,fog and a dark form....(mabye turning only when its night...)

Either way, don't call someone else an idiot. Next time, try to control this habit.

Agent Clank August 23rd, 2010 5:27 PM

I don't think Castform will get another form.
I think his evolutions are done.

austy14 August 24th, 2010 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Agent Clank (Post 6098526)
I don't think Castform will get another form.
I think his evolutions are done.

':/ castform never evolved. but yeah, seeing as he's not in the regional dex, no cast"forms".

billi1000 August 24th, 2010 1:27 PM

the only logical region for Castform to get a new form is a new weather condition or adapting to previous wheather conditions like sandstorm, otherwise it's very unlikely (aren't 3 forms enough anyway). As for Castform having an evolution, nah :P, I don't really count on it.

King Gumball August 24th, 2010 1:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billi1000 (Post 6100445)
the only logical region for Castform to get a new form is a new weather condition or adapting to previous wheather conditions like sandstorm, otherwise it's very unlikely (aren't 3 forms enough anyway). As for Castform having an evolution, nah :P, I don't really count on it.


There could very well be a new weather move, with the new seasons and all. If there is then it would be a little more likely castform would have another form. But I still dont think so.


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