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zapdosa August 30th, 2010 6:41 PM

**Update!

Added information regarding "Trio Masters"

We can now also discuss our predictions of what the Trio Master(s) will be of the 5th Gen's Legendary Trio(s).

Xander Olivieri August 30th, 2010 6:50 PM

Its highly doubtful that there will be a third Legend to go with Reshrim and Zekrom. I really wish people would drop that. They represent Yin and Yang. There can only be two. Not three.

The trio can be anything. I don't have any particular idea as to what, nor do I care too much for them. Just really wish people would stop with Zekrom and Reshrim having a third. Zekrom and Reshrim are going to be like Ho-oh and Lugia from Gen two, mainly Mascots for the games and only be different by tying in their stories.

zapdosa August 30th, 2010 7:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 6117287)
Its highly doubtful that there will be a third Legend to go with Reshrim and Zekrom. I really wish people would drop that. They represent Yin and Yang. There can only be two. Not three.

The trio can be anything. I don't have any particular idea as to what, nor do I care too much for them. Just really wish people would stop with Zekrom and Reshrim having a third. Zekrom and Reshrim are going to be like Ho-oh and Lugia from Gen two, mainly Mascots for the games and only be different by tying in their stories.

I wouldn't be too confident.

They're Dragon Legendaries and relate very much to Dialga and Palkia.

Although they indeed represent Yin and Yang that doesn't automatically mean that they will have absolutely no other relation to another Pokemon.

WildBolt August 30th, 2010 7:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 6117287)
Its highly doubtful that there will be a third Legend to go with Reshrim and Zekrom. I really wish people would drop that. They represent Yin and Yang. There can only be two. Not three.

The trio can be anything. I don't have any particular idea as to what, nor do I care too much for them. Just really wish people would stop with Zekrom and Reshrim having a third. Zekrom and Reshrim are going to be like Ho-oh and Lugia from Gen two, mainly Mascots for the games and only be different by tying in their stories.

I lol'd at this.

You think just because they have relation to Yin and Yang that there can't be a 3rd counterpart? That information is irrelevant when it comes to Pokemon.

Unless you are not familiar with the pattern of Legendary Trios, there is no reason to believe that Reshiram and Zekrom will not have a 3rd Counterpart.

Xander Olivieri August 30th, 2010 7:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WildBolt (Post 6117332)
I lol'd at this.

You think just because they have relation to Yin and Yang that there can't be a 3rd counterpart? That information is irrelevant when it comes to Pokemon.

Unless you are not familiar with the pattern of Legendary Trios, there is no reason to believe that Reshiram and Zekrom will not have a 3rd Counterpart.

Generation 1:
1 set

Generation 2:
1 set

Generation 3:
2 sets, though Rayquaza is debatable due to it not actually giving a weather power. It just erases weather, something Psyduck and Golduck can also do. Unlike other trio's these three do not have many common attacks.

Generation 4:
2 sets, though Dialga/Palkia/Giratina set is highly debated as Giratina isn't considered to be part of this set despite the fact that they, like the other trio's, share moves.

The major Trios (weather and Dragon) are also fan based trios. Unlike the Birds, Dogs, Golems, and Spirits these are not said to be a set by the games.

Even though all of this, These all tie into each other in some way shape and form.

The birds are by their name and being the first set of Trio's wasn't planned out to match one another as well as the later parts. Their main relation is that they are birds with a major destructive element.

The Dogs were said to be the embodiment of the wrecking of the burned tower. Original was that they were trapped and Ho-oh took pitty on the three and revived them with new powers and forms.

Its easy to see how the Golems are related. Same with the three spirits.

The three weather Legendaries. Groundon, the Continent, Kyogre, the Sea, and Rayquaza, the Sky, have many things linking them. Various legends that also have the same relations of Earth and Sea being ruled by the Sky. Scientific relations of the Hydrosphere, Lithosphere, and Atmosphere.

The three Dragons are harder play, Time and Space are 4th dimension physics while Giratina lives and exists in the space between the third and fourth dimension where no time exists and space is distorted.

Reshrim and Zekrom share a relation that only allows for the two to be in place with no room for a third. The appearance of a third would break the balance that Reshrim and Zekrom hold and personify. So yes there is a good reason to believe that there won't be a third legendary that ties into the main point of Reshrim and Zekrom. If a third is made, it will not have anything to do with the two or will be trying to upset the balance the two hold but still cannot be related to these two.

If anything these will be Legendary Duo and use some lesser Legendary to mascot a third game.

Whater August 30th, 2010 7:44 PM

Well, I'm not sure if the two new legendaries are going to be in a trio or not, but how is there going to be a master? Isn't Arceus the 'God' of all pokemon?

But in my opinion, I think the master is going to be a super powerful Unown. I mean SS kinda gives it away in a sense. I don't know, just throwing it out there ;)

The Red Chain August 30th, 2010 7:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Whater (Post 6117418)
Well, I'm not sure if the two new legendaries are going to be in a trio or not, but how is there going to be a master? Isn't Arceus the 'God' of all pokemon?

Every trio has a master, or leader.

  • Legendary birds ; Lugia
  • Legendary beasts ; Ho-oh
  • Weather trio ; Rayquaza
  • Dragon & Lake trio ; Arceus
I'm hoping for no trio this generation.


Whater August 30th, 2010 8:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Red Chain (Post 6117442)

Every trio has a master, or leader.

  • Legendary birds ; Lugia
  • Legendary beasts ; Ho-oh
  • Weather trio ; Rayquaza
  • Dragon & Lake trio ; Arceus
I'm hoping for no trio.


Oh ok. But I think, like I said in my earlier post, that a super powerful unown would somehow be the master. Just like it says in the 'Ruins of Alph' the unown want to connect. They must have some link, especially since they're black and white XD

The Red Chain August 30th, 2010 8:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Whater (Post 6117447)
Oh ok. But I think, like I said in my earlier post, that a super powerful unown would somehow be the master. Just like it says in the 'Ruins of Alph' the unown want to connect. They must have some link, especially since they're black and white XD

I would doubt that being that Unown isn't even a legendary to begin with. XD;
The Ruins of Alph existed in GSC as well, so it's not really unusual...

Or maybe Zekrom, Reshiram, and Victini will make the trio as well as the small legendary and version mascots this generation.
Don't ask, just a random idea. ]:


zapdosa August 30th, 2010 8:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Whater (Post 6117447)
Oh ok. But I think, like I said in my earlier post, that a super powerful unown would somehow be the master. Just like it says in the 'Ruins of Alph' the unown want to connect. They must have some link, especially since they're black and white XD

This is a good theory but to think that a single Unown can wield as much power as a Legendary Pokemon is unbelievable.

Arceus is described as the God of All Pokemon but I think the developers are just going to slide another Pokemon under their sleeves as powerful as Arceus and make that Pokemon the master of the probable new Dragon Trio and possibly another Trio.

Ho-Oh August 31st, 2010 2:09 AM

Just a note, if you intend to discuss the trio in regards to Zekrom/Reshiram, do so here.

I really hope the trio (not the title legendary trio) has some sort of cultural or historical reference behind them.

TheReal August 31st, 2010 5:53 AM

I've posted something like this about two months ago, so I'll rewrite my idea.
The Zek & Resh trio will be completed with a green dragon/serpent pokémon, based on the chinese dragon but with wings. Something like this:

...but with a turbine in the end of it's tail, just like Resh & Zek.
It will be Grass/Dragon. It will represent the Ancient world, the world where the primitive pokémon live. So, it will represent another world just like Giratina did with the distorcion world. Which means that we'll time travel on those ruins that we can se on the Isshu map, in the top of the left corner.

Now, talking about the new trio of non-cover legendaries. Since this will be the master of it, wait for a trio of Fossil/primitive look like pokémon. Then, since Resh & Zek represent the natural & industrial, think how the exploration of fossils could be fitted in this thematic and there you go. (For those who don't want to think, fossils are found in natural state and only come to life by industrial processes.)

Kanto_Johto August 31st, 2010 7:14 AM

If the Gen V Legendary trio are all the same type again like in Sinnoh, I might have to venture out to Game Freak Headquarters and slap each and every producer in the face.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire August 31st, 2010 7:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kanto_Johto (Post 6118234)
If the Gen V Legendary trio are all the same type again like in Sinnoh, I might have to venture out to Game Freak Headquarters and slap each and every producer in the face.

Yeah well I think that trio was going for something diffrent...they should have at least made them Psychic/ something
Back to this generation, I agree with The Real on the design but I want it to be Dragon/Ice so we can have a Mascot Fire/Lightning/Ice trio ;)

bwburke94 August 31st, 2010 10:28 AM

A Fire/Ice/Electric trio hasn't occurred since Gen I, but there should be a Psychic/Dark/Fighting trio or similar first. Yes, I know Dark is immune to Psychic and there's already a Psychic/Dark duo, but it should happen.

zapdosa August 31st, 2010 1:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheReal (Post 6118092)
I've posted something like this about two months ago, so I'll rewrite my idea.
The Zek & Resh trio will be completed with a green dragon/serpent pokémon, based on the chinese dragon but with wings. Something like this:

...but with a turbine in the end of it's tail, just like Resh & Zek.
It will be Grass/Dragon. It will represent the Ancient world, the world where the primitive pokémon live. So, it will represent another world just like Giratina did with the distorcion world. Which means that we'll time travel on those ruins that we can se on the Isshu map, in the top of the left corner.

Now, talking about the new trio of non-cover legendaries. Since this will be the master of it, wait for a trio of Fossil/primitive look like pokémon. Then, since Resh & Zek represent the natural & industrial, think how the exploration of fossils could be fitted in this thematic and there you go. (For those who don't want to think, fossils are found in natural state and only come to life by industrial processes.)

I agree with you that it is indeed going to be a Dragon/Grass Type. But if it takes on the look of a Chinese Dragon it must include wings and have a flurry of mixed colors because if it's mostly green with no wings it will bare an awfully strong resemblance to Rayquaza.

Calder August 31st, 2010 1:22 PM

First 2 Gens = 1 Trio
Next 2 Gens = 2 Trios
Next Gen = 3 Trios

Its elementary my dear Watson

zapdosa August 31st, 2010 1:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calder (Post 6118802)
First 2 Gens = 1 Trio
Next 2 Gens = 2 Trios
Next Gen = 3 Trios

Its elementary my dear Watson

Eh 3 Trios is a bit too much.

There should definitely be at least 2.

But I guess the more the merrier. I'm just really hoping for that Dragon/Grass Type and how it will look.

WildBolt August 31st, 2010 2:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 6117404)
Reshrim and Zekrom share a relation that only allows for the two to be in place with no room for a third. The appearance of a third would break the balance that Reshrim and Zekrom hold and personify. So yes there is a good reason to believe that there won't be a third legendary that ties into the main point of Reshrim and Zekrom. If a third is made, it will not have anything to do with the two or will be trying to upset the balance the two hold but still cannot be related to these two.

There you go again. You're ignoring the fact that this kind of information describing an "unbreakable bond" between Reshiram and Zekrom is completely irrelevant to Pokemon Games. The real world does not apply in a Pokemon Game when it comes to this type of situation. All the Legendaries that were first revealed as Duos became Trios. Groudon and Kyogre became Groudon, Kyogre, and Rayquaza. Dialga and Palkia became Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina. The ONLY Reason why Lugia and Ho-Oh did not have a Trio of their own is because of the fact that they are TRIO MASTERS.

Reshiram and Zekrom will have a 3rd counterpart, end of discussion.

Rei August 31st, 2010 3:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WildBolt (Post 6118988)
There you go again. You're ignoring the fact that this kind of information describing an "unbreakable bond" between Reshiram and Zekrom is completely irrelevant to Pokemon Games. The real world does not apply in a Pokemon Game when it comes to this type of situation. All the Legendaries that were first revealed as Duos became Trios. Groudon and Kyogre became Groudon, Kyogre, and Rayquaza. Dialga and Palkia became Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina. The ONLY Reason why Lugia and Ho-Oh did not have a Trio of their own is because of the fact that they are TRIO MASTERS.

Reshiram and Zekrom will have a 3rd counterpart, end of discussion.

Just because you can prove otherwise doesnt mean their will be a 3rd counterpart.
They could both be Leader/Masters of their own trio, you never know :p
haha.

Xander Olivieri August 31st, 2010 4:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WildBolt (Post 6118988)
There you go again. You're ignoring the fact that this kind of information describing an "unbreakable bond" between Reshiram and Zekrom is completely irrelevant to Pokemon Games. The real world does not apply in a Pokemon Game when it comes to this type of situation. All the Legendaries that were first revealed as Duos became Trios. Groudon and Kyogre became Groudon, Kyogre, and Rayquaza. Dialga and Palkia became Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina. The ONLY Reason why Lugia and Ho-Oh did not have a Trio of their own is because of the fact that they are TRIO MASTERS.

Reshiram and Zekrom will have a 3rd counterpart, end of discussion.


You just proved to me you don't know what the hell you are talking about and are using personal opinions as facts. Go show me sources to back up your claim that Ho-oh and Lugia could have had a third counter part.

You haven't even argued your side. And you are sadly wrong as Rayquaza is a Trio Master and part of the same Trio. Get your facts straight before sharing your fail and trolling other people that don't share your opinion.

Groudon and Kyogre had Rayquaza released around the same time and Rayquaza wasn't officially fan declared until Emerald where Rayquaza served its point as both a Third and their master.

The Three 4th Gen Dragon Legendaries are unofficial trios put together by the fans due to in game relations of Platinum and the movie. They don't have any relation other than that and cannot be considered Official until the Creators say they are part of a set.

Quote:

Originally Posted by WildBolt (Post 6118988)
Reshiram and Zekrom will have a 3rd counterpart, end of discussion.

Find me proof of the designers saying there will be a third. Until then, that is your opinion and not fact. Your discussion failed.

solarowl August 31st, 2010 4:12 PM

um i hope that there will be a third legendary because usually they add a new game for more of the 3rd legend. example : gold silver AND crystal(though there wasnt really much to do with a legend in crystal) ruby sapphire EMERALD emerald was for Rayquaza as Giratina was more in platinum. and if you think more about it they did these kind of things in around 3 and 4th not so much 1 and 2 gens. So there will probably be a third legend=game to go with these legends. However there was a point in Zekrom Reshiram being yin yang but pokemon will probably try to make some mythical thing in the middle. Im pretty sure it will be dragon but after a while of thinking, it might NOT be a dragon type still thinking...

zapdosa August 31st, 2010 4:20 PM

I added a poll to see what the community thinks about Reshiram and Zekrom having a 3rd counterpart since it's a topic of strong discussion whether there will be one or not.

I myself believe there will be one. :D

Xander Olivieri August 31st, 2010 4:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by solarowl (Post 6119244)
um i hope that there will be a third legendary because usually they add a new game for more of the 3rd legend. example : gold silver AND crystal(though there wasnt really much to do with a legend in crystal) ruby sapphire EMERALD emerald was for Rayquaza as Giratina was more in platinum. and if you think more about it they did these kind of things in around 3 and 4th not so much 1 and 2 gens. So there will probably be a third legend=game to go with these legends. However there was a point in Zekrom Reshiram being yin yang but pokemon will probably try to make some mythical thing in the middle. Im pretty sure it will be dragon but after a while of thinking, it might NOT be a dragon type still thinking...

You don't need a Third Legendary for a Third Game.

Japan started with Three I think. Red/Blue/Green. Mascots were the Starters. America's Third was Yellow which was based off of Ash from the Anime.

Gold and Silver's third game was Suicune which was part of a Trio, just not the major legends, pulling the attention from Ho-oh and Lugia to the dogs.

I actually would like to see them repeat Crystal for a Third game even though I've been against the idea of the Third game for the fifth gen. Pulling the spot light away from Reshrim and Zekrom and focusing on the lesser Legendaries would be a nice mix again.


EDIT: Just thought of something. Since this game is the Reset to the Pokemon games. Wouldn't the past record/pattern be reset as well? I mean they did say it was a complete reset of the Pokemon Games. Restarting fresh, new, and exciting? So that could mean Duo as the Main and a lesser set of Trios? Mayby three lesser trios to mix things up...or even no trios at all.

Ho-Oh August 31st, 2010 4:49 PM

...okay, after I posted not to discuss it, what do you do? You discuss Zekrom/Reshiram's third game counterpart. Really guys. That has its own thread. And now, until we get confirmation on the actual non-title legendary trio, I won't be allowing anymore threads on this.

☆★ Locked.


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