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Stronger than Arceus?
Generation 4 brought an Pokemon called Arceus. It is known as the Alpha Pokemon and is currently the strongest Pokemon. It it even said that Arceus created the Universe and everything in it!
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:XQfqaZUQe7tYxM:http://forums.heavengames.com/redir/http%3A//img809.imageshack.us/img809/848/arceus.jpg&t=1 Do you think there will be an even stronger Pokemon in Pokemon B/W? I think there will be, but it will be an event Pokemon. |
Well there doesn't need to be any pokemon stronger than Arceus in BW as for the three gens before 4 we had 600 stat pokemon considered as the "Strongest", Mew, Celebi, Deoxys, along with 670/680 pokemon the Mascots of GSRSE + Mewtwo
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I think there will be an opposite, with equal stats, but an equally unique nature. An Omega pokémon, perhaps.
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If there would be an even stronger Poke than Arceus.. It would suck, imo. I think the only one who could be stronger than Arceus is its creator.
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Well, Nintendo has been successfully making an even more powerful legendary each generation, so, yes.
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Yeah I don't think we wills see an Arces Opposite this gen, and I'll rather we don't anyways, until next gen at least... |
i dont think theyre goona make apokemon stronger than arceus. he's the creator of the pokemon universe and pokemon. he cant make a pokemon stronger than him :D
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UPD: didn't know arceus was a chinese god. |
I read an interesting theory somewhere, but I can't remember where exactly for the life of me...probably some opinion article on Bulbapedia or something....
Anyway, the writer commented that the wording of how Arcues' came to be reminded them of some eastern mythology where a creator was created when two opposing forces formed a harmony. The writer thought that, possibly, Reshiram and Zekrom may be the creators of Arceus, if that myth has any influence on their design. Personally, I think it's an interesting theory, but I highly doubt they'd make version mascots more powerful than an event legendary. Like many of you, I'm expecting an equal, but opposite, to Arceus, if anything, though perhaps not necessarily along the lines of a Devil/Demon/whatever Pokemon. I heard someone somewhere voice the opinion of a pantheon of "god Pokemon", which I would love seeing far more than a God-vs-Devil thing going on. I don't think it's really appropriate for Pokemon. =/ |
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Oh yeah, i didnt check if this was mentioned in this thread, but. The opposite of god, The Devil. But then again. They have promised on several occasions that there would several more generations. So i guess when God and Satan exists, they might aswell pack-up their legendary factory.
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I hope not, because Arceus is God, and it doesn't get stronger than God. It would be wrong and I'd consider this other Pokemon a devil-worshipper, a sinner, and the equivalent of Satan, lmfao. Okay, I'm just kidding, I'm not even a believer, but seriously, I don't see the point or the need. Arceus should remain the strongest Pokemon ever; to have a new Pokemon top him would be ridic.
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IMO, no more legendary Pokemon unless they actually have a role to play. Eventually we may need an Omega Pokemon, but not yet. What's interesting for now is that Pangu woke up when his Yin and Yang balanced. So maybe Zek and Reshi had something to do with that... Can't wait to see if they run with it. |
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pangu created the world according to the chinese legend, but he did that with help from the Turtle, the Qilin, the Phoenix, and the Dragon. maybe that's the legendary trio! (yes i know theyre with four but it is logical and it is possible that they do this this time with the legendary four instead of 3. and a few months ago there was a rumor that there would be a pokemon that looked like a Qilin. (only they said that it looked like this(this= a link to a picture that looked like a Qilin.)) (if this was confusing please say so xD)
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I don't see a second "Godly" Pokemon coming into play. They put too much around Arceus in the Fourth Gen creating most of the legends we have today.
And this will get a little off topic, but the devil isn't the opposite of God. God created the devil(lucifer) who was an angel before turning against god. Though Lucifer wants to destroy mankind and turn them away from heaven he does so because he doesn't want them tainting heaven with their presence. He hates humanity but still loves the God that gave him life. So a Devil as an opposite really wouldn't work. |
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(btw for the ones who don't know: mountains because it is its body, and rivers because it's his blood(and i mean panfu with that: if you want to know more go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pangu that site. |
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No,I think that Arceus will be the last strongest Pokemon that they make.
He is the god of Pokemon,you can't surpass that. |
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What if Arceus is like jesus, and the next one created arceus? I'm not an expert on pokemon, but I'm pretty sure Arceus was hatched from a egg, and we all know the chicken comes before the egg.......
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Arceus will still be the most powerfull pokemon for about 2-3 more gns, then a new one will come as powerfull or even more powerfull as jesus, erm I mean asrceus. As some1 said it does seems lika a good idea to put devil pokemon as oposite and make it number 666,but I guess that would put off catholics to buy this game and priests would be even more against pokemon. |
In my opinion, Arceus isn't what it's all made up to be. To me, the attacks are bland, and the character itself is kinda boring. I do think they will make a equal to it as a opposite, in respect of, if there is a ultimate creator, then there must be a ultimate destroyer. So yes. Though, I do not think it will be among the 5th Generation o.0' I don't have a reason to back that up.. I just don't think they would throw all their cards on the table so fast.
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I personally don't want them to make a Pokemon stronger then Arceus. I mean, like Arceus created the whole Pokemon world. He ruled over 3 legendaries, he got really mad over a random jewel (which I don't really consider logical), and then saved the world in the past. Obviously, Nintendo owns Pokemon, and they can do whatever they want with it. They can even make a Satan Pokemon if they wanted to! If they actually MANAGE to make a Satan Pokemon, I'm gonna seriously puke. I mean, two gods in one world. One wants to destroy it, one wants to help it. I'm not saying I hate Pokemon,(in fact, I love it) but that is just insane. Sometimes I think Nintendo is failing. Rarely though. If they make even more god Pokemon, the smaller legendaries would have to eventually commit suicide. Everyone would have forgotten about them when like, a million god Pokemon come out. And Mewtwo. Remember Mewtwo? He was the strongest in Gen.1, and then he failed when whoever came out next. What about Mew? Mew was considered the God Pokemon at one time, and then Mewtwo came out. Then, Arceus. If God Pokemon come out every Generation, or if Zekrom and Reshiram end up being Arceus's Mom/Dad, then I'm gonna lock myself in an insane asylum. I swear.
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Hmmm. Thinking again.. stronger than God. Big Bang (I belive in science) Like some kind of Universe pokemon. They already mix in so many different things, think about it. D/p was about time and space, yet, They had a freaking church. What is that about. Unless.... Sinnoh residents are scientologists
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f there would be an even stronger Poke than Arceus.. It would suck, imo. I think the only one who could be stronger than Arceus is its creator.
Haha, I agree. Satoshi Tajiri Pokemon. Hmmm...maybe a mixture of Ash-like Pokemon mixed with Arceus and somehting else = ....I don't want to know. Sorry for posting twice, but...sorry for not quoting it ^^' I forgot. |
I think we need some prophecy pokemon like some pokemon who predict stuff.
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Since arceus is a god, the only possible more powerfull option IMO is the pokmon taht represents the very same thing arceus created, the universe, lke a univerzal pokemon or a world pokemon, but in a form of spirit or somtehing(though it doesnt have to be a ghost type)
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or make a pokemon with better stats that ISNT a God???
like a pretty butterfly with bazookas for arms and grenades for arms i named him killofly and he would have a total stats of 721. that would be cool |
There is no strongest Pokemon. Arceus just has the highest base stat total. It's all about strategy. A Belly Drum Charizard could take it out in a hit or two.
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I personally don't want a Satan Pokemon...because we already have one...Giratina remember, it has the number 666 in it's body, 6 spikes on it's wings, six feet, etc. |
I would lol so hard if something like Victini got higher stats than Arceus xD
Not going to happen, thank goodness. 720 is...that's incredibly powerful. |
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Arceus is based on this: http://www.3dexport.com/models/7687/18389/kirin01.jpg "The Qilin (Chinese: 麒麟; pinyin: qílín; Wade–Giles: ch'i-lin), also spelled Kirin (from Japanese) or sometimes Kyrin, is a mythical hooved Chinese chimerical creature known throughout various East Asian cultures, and is said to appear in conjunction with the arrival of a sage. It is a good omen that brings rui (Chinese: 瑞; pinyin: ruì; roughly translated as "serenity" or "prosperity"). It is often depicted with what looks like fire all over its body. It is sometimes called the "Chinese unicorn" due to conflation with the unicorn by Westerners. The earliest references to the Qilin are in the 5th century BC book Zuo Zhuan.[1][2] The Qilin made appearances in a variety of subsequent Chinese works of history and fiction. At one point, however, it became identified with the giraffe, and even today, the giraffe is called a "kirin" by the Japanese and Koreans. The Qilin became tiger like after their disappearance in real life and become a stylised representation of the giraffe in Ming Dynasty.[3][4] It is known that on Zheng He's voyage to East Africa (landing, among other places, in modern-day Kenya), the fleet brought back two giraffes to Beijing. It is also known that these two giraffes were referred to as "Qilins".[5] The Emperor proclaimed the giraffes magical creatures, whose capture signalled the greatness of his power. The identification between the Qilin and the giraffe is supported by some attributes of the Qilin, including its vegetarian and quiet nature. Its reputed ability to "walk on grass without disturbing it" may be related to the giraffe's long legs. Also the Qilin is described as having antlers like a deer and scales like a dragon or fish; since the giraffe has horn-like "ossicones" on its head and a tessellated coat pattern that looks like scales it is easy to draw an analogy between the two creatures. It is unlikely that giraffes and qilin were regarded as the same creature in pre-modern times however. For example, typical depictions of the qilin have much shorter necks than giraffes. However, the Chinese characters of Qilun 麒 and 麟 both carry Chinese radical 鹿, suggesting that the eyewitness described them deer like animal, or perhaps an antelope." Quote:
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Just because Arceus has the highest BST does by no means make him the strongest, it makes him the most beneficially balanced. Technically, Deoxys-A is the strongest Pokemon in existence so far.
#ontopic: Only if they create one to oppose Arceus in attempting to destroy the "world he created". |
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That leaves dragon and turtle. :D |
What I want to see is the opposite of Arceus, the destroyer. Seen as Arceus created the world/Universe/Pokemon I'de like a Pokemon to try to destroy the world/Univ.... possibly making the plot for the 3rd installment in this series... Anyway I don't belive this will happen and that Arceus will remain unchallenged for now.
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I agree with all of you. If Victini ends up being stronger than Arceus...that will be EPIC!
Victini uses ????(whatever). Arceus was defeated by enemy's ????! See what I mean? Victini (tiny) vs God (Arceus) and Victini wins? Insanely epic. |
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Therefore, Vic is effectively stronger than Arceus. If you ever hear about a legendary germ Pokemon, run like hell. |
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I agree with both of you now...plus, since Arceus is big, he would have trouble hitting Victini either way, cuz' Victini would be able to dodge them anyways.
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Yeah, I guess. And I always thought that since Victini was #000 in the Isshu Pokedex and was considered Phantom, he would obviously be stronger than Arceus.
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Where are you guys even getting this from? Victini is a small legendary, with all base 100 stats, or a base stat total of 600. |
Well, we're just disscussing anyway...lol. Well, it depends what you believe. I saw Victini's stats and some were higher than Arceus's, but I saw that a long time ago, they could've changed and there you have it.
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Maybe~ But Arceus is really only somthing to do with Sinnoh myths and ledgends, so we could get an even stronger pokemon from Issue since its a far away region so they may have there own beliefs n' stuff!
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Well I don't want a pokemon to surpass Arceus, it would make the other pokemon less attractive to use in a Uber battle...
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Pokemon as they'll probably call it. |
Well the messenger will still not be as powerful as Arceus...
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I agree, and besides, if they already named one God Pokemon, why would they make two?
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i hope the little V pokemon does beat it. that would be the best thing ever even better,in ishuu,arceus gets a new form,even bigger, with 1 in each stat at level 100 |
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Yeah I hope there is like a Devil pokemon, something extremely powerful like Arceus only evil and full of Darkness. |
Arceus is the creator of the universe, come on. They can't have anything more powerful than that. What they can do, is "take it off". Like Jirachi. Jirachi can make every wish real and that's pretty powerful, but he only appears each 1000 years. Arceus could have a drawback like that.
Or, the new pokemon doesn't have to be more powerful than Arceus. If you look, Zekrom/Reshiram aren't powerful as Dialga/Palkia are, and that's not a problem. A person with just one eye is a king in a country of blind people. You know what I mean? xD The new "god" pokemon just have to be the mightiest of Isshu, and it's ok. |
I don't get WHY a new generation has to have more powerful legendaries compared to the previous.
Arceus can still maintain it's God of Pokemon status with more legendaries that are weaker than it. Remember? New generations are area that ALREADY "existed" in the Pokemon world - Even though it's new to us, even generation 6 Pokemon already "existed" to them. |
i know that pokemon games are trying to make better pokemon but if arceus is the GOD pokemon i think it should be strong or at least be different than others :(
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Arceus must have existed in the days of RBY,it's just that the Kanto people didnt know about it so they thought Mewtwo was the most powerful Pokemon.
Maybe in Isshu,there could be a situation like that,where the Isshu people think (insert Isshu legendary name here) is the most powerful Pokemon but it is surpassed by Arceus and the only reason Isshu people think (insert Isshu legendary name here) is the most powerful Pokemon is because they don't know about Arceus. (That's a sensible reason 'cos they don't even know about Pikachu) |
haha, guys, i dont know what youre talking about. Victini is stronger than arceus! It is the Victory pokemon, after all! It has to be able to beat arceus!
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Arceus is the Alpha Pokemon, so a Omega pokemon seems plausible, but they would be equally strong
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And seriously, if they say Victini is more powerful than Arceus, I'll not play B/W. You can't create a God for a generation, and 2 years later say that that "god" is weak and a small and cute pokemon can kill it. Seriously, you can't. |
I do rather like the idea of the Omega Pokemon. You know, a god and a devil
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I'm kind of hoping that we won't get a legendary overkill this time. But given the pattern of the games, they're probably going to put ~something~ to compete with Arceus.
My best guess at this point would be something like a cult summoning a Pokemon that rivals Arceus, perhaps a devil figure as some mentioned. Or maybe Mudkipz finally rises to the top and earns its rightful title while overthrowing Arceus. |
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However it is possible that an omega pokemon will be made, as in arceus creates the world but omega wants to end it. That doesnt necessarily make him evil nor arceus good, its just his purpose to end the world, as in lets say, he doesnt like how ppl have become so he wants to end the world, then let the arceus make a new one. This also fits eastern religious view better, since they believe everything cycles in the world. |
well imo there has to be, well a counterpart to it. Since Arceus is called a 'god', why not make a devil pokemon. Yeah I know its not pokemon's style but I really want to see that happen.
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i think we should just deal with whatever gamefreak provides for us..... whatever legendaries they give us it won't matter, it is what it is haha.
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i just found an argument to my own idea..lol
i said that there should arceus should be strongest with maybe a devil counterpart. but now that i think when gen 2 and 3 wasnt released, mewto and mew were supposedly the strongest, then came gen 2 and 3 which brought even stronger legends! so im guessing with 4, 5 will have stornger legends and so on. but really it only matters how u train it... |
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