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Tropical Sunlight September 2nd, 2010 5:59 AM

Stronger than Arceus?
 
Generation 4 brought an Pokemon called Arceus. It is known as the Alpha Pokemon and is currently the strongest Pokemon. It it even said that Arceus created the Universe and everything in it!
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Do you think there will be an even stronger Pokemon in Pokemon B/W?

I think there will be, but it will be an event Pokemon.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 2nd, 2010 6:01 AM

Well there doesn't need to be any pokemon stronger than Arceus in BW as for the three gens before 4 we had 600 stat pokemon considered as the "Strongest", Mew, Celebi, Deoxys, along with 670/680 pokemon the Mascots of GSRSE + Mewtwo

LethalTexture September 2nd, 2010 6:02 AM

I think there will be an opposite, with equal stats, but an equally unique nature. An Omega pokémon, perhaps.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 2nd, 2010 6:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Horizon (Post 6122512)
I think there will be an opposite, with equal stats, but an equally unique nature. An Omega pokémon, perhaps.

If there was an Omega pokemon it would be one that would Destroy the universe, as it's the opposite of the Creator :)...

Musica September 2nd, 2010 6:10 AM

If there would be an even stronger Poke than Arceus.. It would suck, imo. I think the only one who could be stronger than Arceus is its creator.

LethalTexture September 2nd, 2010 6:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 6122513)

If there was an Omega pokemon it would be one that would Destroy the universe, as it's the opposite of the Creator :)...

Exactly, would add a whole new spin to gameplay, wouldn't it? ;D

Gardenia101 September 2nd, 2010 6:17 AM

Well, Nintendo has been successfully making an even more powerful legendary each generation, so, yes.

coolnick37 September 2nd, 2010 6:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Gardenia101 (Post 6122529)
Well, Nintendo has been successfully making an even more powerful legendary each generation, so, yes.

Mewtwo was the strongest one before arceus so that aint true. I guess new legendaries wont be as powerfull as arceus.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 2nd, 2010 6:34 AM

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Originally Posted by coolnick37 (Post 6122548)
Mewtwo was the strongest one before arceus so that aint true. I guess new legendaries wont be as powerfull as arceus.

Actually Mewtwo was tied up with a lot of Pokemon, so it stopped being the strongest in Gen 2 but that's another discussion.
Yeah I don't think we wills see an Arces Opposite this gen, and I'll rather we don't anyways, until next gen at least...

vince82495 September 2nd, 2010 6:37 AM

i dont think theyre goona make apokemon stronger than arceus. he's the creator of the pokemon universe and pokemon. he cant make a pokemon stronger than him :D

pokewalker September 2nd, 2010 6:44 AM

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Originally Posted by vince82495 (Post 6122574)
i dont think theyre goona make apokemon stronger than arceus. he's the creator of the pokemon universe and pokemon. he cant make a pokemon stronger than him :D

arceus is the god pokemon. what is the opposite of god? satan. i guess gen.5's last pokedex nr. will be #666. 6 stands for satan. satan is at least as powerful as god is. so that can be our next arceus:P

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 2nd, 2010 6:48 AM

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Originally Posted by pokewalker (Post 6122586)
arceus is the god pokemon. what is the opposite of god? satan. i guess gen.5's last pokedex nr. will be #666. 6 stands for satan. satan is at least as powerful as god is. so that can be our next arceus:P

Ehh Arceus isn't based on the Christian God though, it's based on Pangu a Chinese god, so I think not, and even if it was, the omega pokemon could be Arceus son (Aka: Jesus)

pokewalker September 2nd, 2010 6:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 6122593)

Ehh Arceus isn't based on the Christian God though, it's based on Pangu a Chinese god, so I think not, and even if it was, the omega pokemon could be Arceus son (Aka: Jesus)

but if gamefreak would make a omega pokemon, it is inpossible to make a pokemon stronger than that. gamefreak would never make a pokemon that is impossible strong

UPD: didn't know arceus was a chinese god.

Zhinc September 2nd, 2010 6:52 AM

I read an interesting theory somewhere, but I can't remember where exactly for the life of me...probably some opinion article on Bulbapedia or something....
Anyway, the writer commented that the wording of how Arcues' came to be reminded them of some eastern mythology where a creator was created when two opposing forces formed a harmony. The writer thought that, possibly, Reshiram and Zekrom may be the creators of Arceus, if that myth has any influence on their design.

Personally, I think it's an interesting theory, but I highly doubt they'd make version mascots more powerful than an event legendary. Like many of you, I'm expecting an equal, but opposite, to Arceus, if anything, though perhaps not necessarily along the lines of a Devil/Demon/whatever Pokemon. I heard someone somewhere voice the opinion of a pantheon of "god Pokemon", which I would love seeing far more than a God-vs-Devil thing going on. I don't think it's really appropriate for Pokemon. =/

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 2nd, 2010 7:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Zhinc (Post 6122605)
I read an interesting theory somewhere, but I can't remember where exactly for the life of me...probably some opinion article on Bulbapedia or something....
Anyway, the writer commented that the wording of how Arcues' came to be reminded them of some eastern mythology where a creator was created when two opposing forces formed a harmony. The writer thought that, possibly, Reshiram and Zekrom may be the creators of Arceus, if that myth has any influence on their design.

Personally, I think it's an interesting theory, but I highly doubt they'd make version mascots more powerful than an event legendary. Like many of you, I'm expecting an equal, but opposite, to Arceus, if anything, though perhaps not necessarily along the lines of a Devil/Demon/whatever Pokemon. I heard someone somewhere voice the opinion of a pantheon of "god Pokemon", which I would love seeing far more than a God-vs-Devil thing going on. I don't think it's really appropriate for Pokemon. =/

The mythology you are thinking of is that of Pangu the Chinese creation god who Created the Cardinal points and Yin and Yang (Rashiram and Zekrom/ Latias and Latios :o!?)

Sora's Nobody September 2nd, 2010 8:54 AM

Oh yeah, i didnt check if this was mentioned in this thread, but. The opposite of god, The Devil. But then again. They have promised on several occasions that there would several more generations. So i guess when God and Satan exists, they might aswell pack-up their legendary factory.

Devil Flamingo September 2nd, 2010 8:59 AM

I hope not, because Arceus is God, and it doesn't get stronger than God. It would be wrong and I'd consider this other Pokemon a devil-worshipper, a sinner, and the equivalent of Satan, lmfao. Okay, I'm just kidding, I'm not even a believer, but seriously, I don't see the point or the need. Arceus should remain the strongest Pokemon ever; to have a new Pokemon top him would be ridic.

Åzurε September 2nd, 2010 9:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Devil Flamingo (Post 6122832)
I hope not, because Arceus is God, and it doesn't get stronger than God. It would be wrong and I'd consider this other Pokemon a devil-worshipper, a sinner, and the equivalent of Satan, lmfao. Okay, I'm just kidding, I'm not even a believer, but seriously, I don't see the point or the need. Arceus should remain the strongest Pokemon ever; to have a new Pokemon top him would be ridic.

Well, He's one thing, and a creation deity is another. Ymir from Norse myths ended up dead, so...

IMO, no more legendary Pokemon unless they actually have a role to play. Eventually we may need an Omega Pokemon, but not yet. What's interesting for now is that Pangu woke up when his Yin and Yang balanced. So maybe Zek and Reshi had something to do with that... Can't wait to see if they run with it.

Sora's Nobody September 2nd, 2010 9:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Devil Flamingo (Post 6122832)
I hope not, because Arceus is God, and it doesn't get stronger than God. It would be wrong and I'd consider this other Pokemon a devil-worshipper, a sinner, and the equivalent of Satan, lmfao. Okay, I'm just kidding, I'm not even a believer, but seriously, I don't see the point or the need. Arceus should remain the strongest Pokemon ever; to have a new Pokemon top him would be ridic.

Yes. But what more can they do? Any pokemon under areus are basicly meaningless, they HAVE to top it, They have no choice.

Åzurε September 2nd, 2010 9:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Sora's Nobody (Post 6122867)

Yes. But what more can they do? Any pokemon under areus are basicly meaningless, they HAVE to top it, They have no choice.

Why? Just because they've gone over to Arceus doesn't mean they have to keep going up. What would happen if they didn't invent a legendary to top him?

Sora's Nobody September 2nd, 2010 9:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Åzurε (Post 6122880)
Why? Just because they've gone over to Arceus doesn't mean they have to keep going up. What would happen if they didn't invent a legendary to top him?

Well i guess you're right. But thinking about it now. What can now be added to the legendary line, havne they covered every mythology of the world now :P .

pokewalker September 2nd, 2010 9:26 AM

pangu created the world according to the chinese legend, but he did that with help from the Turtle, the Qilin, the Phoenix, and the Dragon. maybe that's the legendary trio! (yes i know theyre with four but it is logical and it is possible that they do this this time with the legendary four instead of 3. and a few months ago there was a rumor that there would be a pokemon that looked like a Qilin. (only they said that it looked like this(this= a link to a picture that looked like a Qilin.)) (if this was confusing please say so xD)

Sora's Nobody September 2nd, 2010 9:29 AM

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Originally Posted by pokewalker (Post 6122888)
pangu created the world according to the chinese legend, but he did that with help from the Turtle, the Qilin, the Phoenix, and the Dragon. maybe that's the legendary trio! (yes i know theyre with four but it is logical and it is possible that they do this this time with the legendary four instead of 3. and a few months ago there was a rumor that there would be a pokemon that looked like a Qilin. (only they said that it looked like this(this= a link to a picture that looked like a Qilin.)) (if this was confusing please say so xD)

I'm confused XD but yeah i see what you mean. I could tottaly, imagine a legendary turtle.

pokewalker September 2nd, 2010 9:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Sora's Nobody (Post 6122895)
I'm confused XD but yeah i see what you mean. I could tottaly, imagine a legendary turtle.

something like azelf is also hard to imagine; and this theory is only logical.

Sora's Nobody September 2nd, 2010 9:35 AM

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Originally Posted by pokewalker (Post 6122902)
something like azelf is also hard to imagine; and this theory is only logical.

Yes. So now instead of trying to top arcues they might just make the legendarys who form the world. Coool!

Xander Olivieri September 2nd, 2010 9:41 AM

I don't see a second "Godly" Pokemon coming into play. They put too much around Arceus in the Fourth Gen creating most of the legends we have today.

And this will get a little off topic, but the devil isn't the opposite of God. God created the devil(lucifer) who was an angel before turning against god. Though Lucifer wants to destroy mankind and turn them away from heaven he does so because he doesn't want them tainting heaven with their presence. He hates humanity but still loves the God that gave him life. So a Devil as an opposite really wouldn't work.

Sora's Nobody September 2nd, 2010 9:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Haowakeorden (Post 6122909)
It's certainly possible that they'll make a Pokémon that's more powerful than most of the uber Pokémon that we have. They don't even have to make up and give you a fancy myth to explain its backstory; maybe you'd have to "look beneath the surface" to find its true power.

Yeah im thinking like a time travel pokemon. or something like that, which could have something to do with the storyline.

pokewalker September 2nd, 2010 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by pokewalker (Post 6122888)
pangu created the world according to the chinese legend, but he did that with help from the Turtle, the Qilin, the Phoenix, and the Dragon. maybe that's the legendary trio! (yes i know theyre with four but it is logical and it is possible that they do this this time with the legendary four instead of 3. and a few months ago there was a rumor that there would be a pokemon that looked like a Qilin. (only they said that it looked like this(this= a link to a picture that looked like a Qilin.)) (if this was confusing please say so xD)

what if isshu has that much rivers and mountains in it because thats the body of pangu?
(btw for the ones who don't know: mountains because it is its body, and rivers because it's his blood(and i mean panfu with that: if you want to know more go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pangu that site.

Sora's Nobody September 2nd, 2010 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by pokewalker (Post 6123026)
what if isshu has that much rivers and mountains in it because thats the body of pangu?
(btw for the ones who don't know: mountains because it is its body, and rivers because it's his blood(and i mean panfu with that: if you want to know more go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pangu that site.

Wow pangu is a dude. I thought he was some kind of creature A penguin

Agent Clank September 2nd, 2010 10:22 AM

No,I think that Arceus will be the last strongest Pokemon that they make.
He is the god of Pokemon,you can't surpass that.

pokewalker September 2nd, 2010 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Agent Clank (Post 6123038)
No,I think that Arceus will be the last strongest Pokemon that they make.
He is the god of Pokemon,you can't surpass that.

they can surpass it. with pangu.

Sora's Nobody September 2nd, 2010 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Agent Clank (Post 6123038)
No,I think that Arceus will be the last strongest Pokemon that they make.
He is the god of Pokemon,you can't surpass that.

Yeah you're probably right. Im gettign really excited now about what legendarys will be included in the game. Woo!

iAMFEARL3SS September 2nd, 2010 11:34 AM

What if Arceus is like jesus, and the next one created arceus? I'm not an expert on pokemon, but I'm pretty sure Arceus was hatched from a egg, and we all know the chicken comes before the egg.......

Sora's Nobody September 2nd, 2010 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by iAMFEARL3SS (Post 6123219)
What if Arceus is like jesus, and the next one created arceus? I'm not an expert on pokemon, but I'm pretty sure Arceus was hatched from a egg, and we all know the chicken comes before the egg.......

Hmmm, well arceus created the pokemon universe, which jesus didnt. Also I don't think arceus hatched from an egg. if you're thinking about the thing in hg/ss those where dialga/palkia and giratina which did. And since when did the chicken come before the egg? Where did the chicken come from then?

coolnick37 September 2nd, 2010 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by iAMFEARL3SS (Post 6123219)
What if Arceus is like jesus, and the next one created arceus? I'm not an expert on pokemon, but I'm pretty sure Arceus was hatched from a egg, and we all know the chicken comes before the egg.......

o.o Jesus? haha. How could jesus make the world if the egg was in the world before jesus did?
Arceus will still be the most powerfull pokemon for about 2-3 more gns, then a new one will come as powerfull or even more powerfull as jesus, erm I mean asrceus. As some1 said it does seems lika a good idea to put devil pokemon as oposite and make it number 666,but I guess that would put off catholics to buy this game and priests would be even more against pokemon.

monsutafangs September 2nd, 2010 11:49 AM

In my opinion, Arceus isn't what it's all made up to be. To me, the attacks are bland, and the character itself is kinda boring. I do think they will make a equal to it as a opposite, in respect of, if there is a ultimate creator, then there must be a ultimate destroyer. So yes. Though, I do not think it will be among the 5th Generation o.0' I don't have a reason to back that up.. I just don't think they would throw all their cards on the table so fast.

Sora's Nobody September 2nd, 2010 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by monsutafangs (Post 6123255)
In my opinion, Arceus isn't what it's all made up to be. To me, the attacks are bland, and the character itself is kinda boring. I do think they will make a equal to it as a opposite, in respect of, if there is a ultimate creator, then there must be a ultimate destroyer. So yes. Though, I do not think it will be among the 5th Generation o.0' I don't have a reason to back that up.. I just don't think they would throw all their cards on the table so fast.

Oh yes that makes sence, even thought that is kinda like Satan, but imagine if one of the games ended up being God vs. Satan, That would be really cool plot wise.

Houndoom Shinigami September 2nd, 2010 11:57 AM

I personally don't want them to make a Pokemon stronger then Arceus. I mean, like Arceus created the whole Pokemon world. He ruled over 3 legendaries, he got really mad over a random jewel (which I don't really consider logical), and then saved the world in the past. Obviously, Nintendo owns Pokemon, and they can do whatever they want with it. They can even make a Satan Pokemon if they wanted to! If they actually MANAGE to make a Satan Pokemon, I'm gonna seriously puke. I mean, two gods in one world. One wants to destroy it, one wants to help it. I'm not saying I hate Pokemon,(in fact, I love it) but that is just insane. Sometimes I think Nintendo is failing. Rarely though. If they make even more god Pokemon, the smaller legendaries would have to eventually commit suicide. Everyone would have forgotten about them when like, a million god Pokemon come out. And Mewtwo. Remember Mewtwo? He was the strongest in Gen.1, and then he failed when whoever came out next. What about Mew? Mew was considered the God Pokemon at one time, and then Mewtwo came out. Then, Arceus. If God Pokemon come out every Generation, or if Zekrom and Reshiram end up being Arceus's Mom/Dad, then I'm gonna lock myself in an insane asylum. I swear.

Sora's Nobody September 2nd, 2010 12:00 PM

Hmmm. Thinking again.. stronger than God. Big Bang (I belive in science) Like some kind of Universe pokemon. They already mix in so many different things, think about it. D/p was about time and space, yet, They had a freaking church. What is that about. Unless.... Sinnoh residents are scientologists

minime010 September 2nd, 2010 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 6122513)

If there was an Omega pokemon it would be one that would Destroy the universe, as it's the opposite of the Creator :)...

or it could be the one that holds the universe together

Katja September 2nd, 2010 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Musica (Post 6122516)
If there would be an even stronger Poke than Arceus.. It would suck, imo. I think the only one who could be stronger than Arceus is its creator.

As in, the creator of pokemon itself, amirite <___>

Sora's Nobody September 2nd, 2010 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Katja (Post 6123401)
As in, the creator of pokemon itself, amirite <___>

Haha i could just imagine a satoshi tajiri pokemon, that the developer snug in like the original mew.

coolnick37 September 2nd, 2010 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Sora's Nobody (Post 6123286)
Hmmm. Thinking again.. stronger than God. Big Bang (I belive in science) Like some kind of Universe pokemon. They already mix in so many different things, think about it. D/p was about time and space, yet, They had a freaking church. What is that about. Unless.... Sinnoh residents are scientologists

Scientology, doesnt have anything to do with space/time and science in general.

Sora's Nobody September 2nd, 2010 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by coolnick37 (Post 6123420)
Scientology, doesnt have anything to do with space/time and science in general.

Noo, buts its got somehting to do with aliens and alien baby's and volcano, There i sure showed him.

Houndoom Shinigami September 2nd, 2010 1:12 PM

f there would be an even stronger Poke than Arceus.. It would suck, imo. I think the only one who could be stronger than Arceus is its creator.

Haha, I agree. Satoshi Tajiri Pokemon. Hmmm...maybe a mixture of Ash-like Pokemon mixed with Arceus and somehting else = ....I don't want to know.

Sorry for posting twice, but...sorry for not quoting it ^^' I forgot.

Sora's Nobody September 2nd, 2010 1:14 PM

I think we need some prophecy pokemon like some pokemon who predict stuff.

Houndoom Shinigami September 2nd, 2010 1:18 PM

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I think we need some prophecy pokemon like some pokemon who predict stuff.
I agree...but that wouldn't mean for it to be the god.

Sora's Nobody September 2nd, 2010 1:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Houndoom Shinigami (Post 6123497)
I agree...but that wouldn't mean for it to be the god.

No no. I know i was just thinking cool legendary wise. I was more thinking á la Jesus.

coolnick37 September 2nd, 2010 1:26 PM

Since arceus is a god, the only possible more powerfull option IMO is the pokmon taht represents the very same thing arceus created, the universe, lke a univerzal pokemon or a world pokemon, but in a form of spirit or somtehing(though it doesnt have to be a ghost type)

Sora's Nobody September 2nd, 2010 1:28 PM

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Originally Posted by coolnick37 (Post 6123517)
Since arceus is a god, the only possible more powerfull option IMO is the pokmon taht represents the very same thing arceus created, the universe, lke a univerzal pokemon or a world pokemon, but in a form of spirit or somtehing(though it doesnt have to be a ghost type)

YEahh. LIke the ghost of christman past Yeah i kinda said something like it further back. But yes it true. But if that comes i wouldnt expect it to come for some generations.

Houndoom Shinigami September 2nd, 2010 1:32 PM

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No no. I know i was just thinking cool legendary wise. I was more thinking á la Jesus.
Yeah. That guy would be kind of like Slowking in Pokemon 2000. And that would be really cool, considering he could predict stuff, tell someone's destiny, etc. And btw, I think that if they make remakes of Ruby and Sapphire. They could like, add all the legendaries, including Zekrom and Reshiram, though I doubt it. But they might include some Sinnoh legendaries and Isshu Pokemon. And imagine...when they make D/P/PL remakes....they'll be nostalgic by then. I think they should add a Prophecy Pokemon. He could even be like Arceus's sidekick that could tell stuff to him. ^^

Itstoppedatumbreon September 2nd, 2010 1:39 PM

or make a pokemon with better stats that ISNT a God???
like a pretty butterfly with bazookas for arms and grenades for arms
i named him killofly and he would have a total stats of 721.
that would be cool

ChaoticArchon September 2nd, 2010 1:48 PM

There is no strongest Pokemon. Arceus just has the highest base stat total. It's all about strategy. A Belly Drum Charizard could take it out in a hit or two.

Houndoom Shinigami September 2nd, 2010 1:53 PM

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There is no strongest Pokemon. Arceus just has the highest base stat total. It's all about strategy. A Belly Drum Charizard could take it out in a hit or two.
I agree. Even Pikachu could beat Arceus one way or another.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 2nd, 2010 1:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ChaoticArchon (Post 6123575)
There is no strongest Pokemon. Arceus just has the highest base stat total. It's all about strategy. A Belly Drum Charizard could take it out in a hit or two.

Unless it's holding the Water plate and uses Judgment...
I personally don't want a Satan Pokemon...because we already have one...Giratina remember, it has the number 666 in it's body, 6 spikes on it's wings, six feet, etc.

Yingxue September 2nd, 2010 1:59 PM

I would lol so hard if something like Victini got higher stats than Arceus xD

Not going to happen, thank goodness. 720 is...that's incredibly powerful.

Livewire September 2nd, 2010 2:14 PM

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Originally Posted by pokewalker (Post 6122586)
arceus is the god pokemon. what is the opposite of god? satan. i guess gen.5's last pokedex nr. will be #666. 6 stands for satan. satan is at least as powerful as god is. so that can be our next arceus:P


Arceus is based on this:

http://www.3dexport.com/models/7687/18389/kirin01.jpg
"The Qilin (Chinese: 麒麟; pinyin: qílín; Wade–Giles: ch'i-lin), also spelled Kirin (from Japanese) or sometimes Kyrin, is a mythical hooved Chinese chimerical creature known throughout various East Asian cultures, and is said to appear in conjunction with the arrival of a sage. It is a good omen that brings rui (Chinese: 瑞; pinyin: ruì; roughly translated as "serenity" or "prosperity"). It is often depicted with what looks like fire all over its body. It is sometimes called the "Chinese unicorn" due to conflation with the unicorn by Westerners.

The earliest references to the Qilin are in the 5th century BC book Zuo Zhuan.[1][2] The Qilin made appearances in a variety of subsequent Chinese works of history and fiction. At one point, however, it became identified with the giraffe, and even today, the giraffe is called a "kirin" by the Japanese and Koreans.
The Qilin became tiger like after their disappearance in real life and become a stylised representation of the giraffe in Ming Dynasty.[3][4] It is known that on Zheng He's voyage to East Africa (landing, among other places, in modern-day Kenya), the fleet brought back two giraffes to Beijing. It is also known that these two giraffes were referred to as "Qilins".[5] The Emperor proclaimed the giraffes magical creatures, whose capture signalled the greatness of his power.
The identification between the Qilin and the giraffe is supported by some attributes of the Qilin, including its vegetarian and quiet nature. Its reputed ability to "walk on grass without disturbing it" may be related to the giraffe's long legs. Also the Qilin is described as having antlers like a deer and scales like a dragon or fish; since the giraffe has horn-like "ossicones" on its head and a tessellated coat pattern that looks like scales it is easy to draw an analogy between the two creatures.


It is unlikely that giraffes and qilin were regarded as the same creature in pre-modern times however. For example, typical depictions of the qilin have much shorter necks than giraffes. However, the Chinese characters of Qilun 麒 and 麟 both carry Chinese radical 鹿, suggesting that the eyewitness described them deer like animal, or perhaps an antelope."



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Originally Posted by Yingxue (Post 6123598)
I would lol so hard if something like Victini got higher stats than Arceus xD

Not going to happen, thank goodness. 720 is...that's incredibly powerful.

I think it would be hilarious if Victini were that powerful. 730 or 750 base stats would be insane if wielded by a 5 pound mouse thing. xD

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 2nd, 2010 2:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Live_Wire466 (Post 6123634)
Arceus is based on this:

http://www.3dexport.com/models/7687/18389/kirin01.jpg
"The Qilin (Chinese: 麒麟; pinyin: qílín; Wade–Giles: ch'i-lin), also spelled Kirin (from Japanese) or sometimes Kyrin, is a mythical hooved Chinese chimerical creature known throughout various East Asian cultures, and is said to appear in conjunction with the arrival of a sage. It is a good omen that brings rui (Chinese: 瑞; pinyin: ruì; roughly translated as "serenity" or "prosperity"). It is often depicted with what looks like fire all over its body. It is sometimes called the "Chinese unicorn" due to conflation with the unicorn by Westerners.

The earliest references to the Qilin are in the 5th century BC book Zuo Zhuan.[1][2] The Qilin made appearances in a variety of subsequent Chinese works of history and fiction. At one point, however, it became identified with the giraffe, and even today, the giraffe is called a "kirin" by the Japanese and Koreans.
The Qilin became tiger like after their disappearance in real life and become a stylised representation of the giraffe in Ming Dynasty.[3][4] It is known that on Zheng He's voyage to East Africa (landing, among other places, in modern-day Kenya), the fleet brought back two giraffes to Beijing. It is also known that these two giraffes were referred to as "Qilins".[5] The Emperor proclaimed the giraffes magical creatures, whose capture signalled the greatness of his power.
The identification between the Qilin and the giraffe is supported by some attributes of the Qilin, including its vegetarian and quiet nature. Its reputed ability to "walk on grass without disturbing it" may be related to the giraffe's long legs. Also the Qilin is described as having antlers like a deer and scales like a dragon or fish; since the giraffe has horn-like "ossicones" on its head and a tessellated coat pattern that looks like scales it is easy to draw an analogy between the two creatures.


It is unlikely that giraffes and qilin were regarded as the same creature in pre-modern times however. For example, typical depictions of the qilin have much shorter necks than giraffes. However, the Chinese characters of Qilun 麒 and 麟 both carry Chinese radical 鹿, suggesting that the eyewitness described them deer like animal, or perhaps an antelope."




I think it would be hilarious if Victini were that powerful. 730 or 750 base stats would be insane if wielded by a 5 pound mouse thing. xD

Victini is actually based on the letter V and a form of slicing apples...that would be funny if it was stronger than the Qulin (Arceus) 0_0..

pokewalker September 2nd, 2010 11:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Live_Wire466 (Post 6123634)
Arceus is based on this:

http://www.3dexport.com/models/7687/18389/kirin01.jpg
"The Qilin (Chinese: 麒麟; pinyin: qílín; Wade–Giles: ch'i-lin), also spelled Kirin (from Japanese) or sometimes Kyrin, is a mythical hooved Chinese chimerical creature known throughout various East Asian cultures, and is said to appear in conjunction with the arrival of a sage. It is a good omen that brings rui (Chinese: 瑞; pinyin: ruì; roughly translated as "serenity" or "prosperity"). It is often depicted with what looks like fire all over its body. It is sometimes called the "Chinese unicorn" due to conflation with the unicorn by Westerners.

The earliest references to the Qilin are in the 5th century BC book Zuo Zhuan.[1][2] The Qilin made appearances in a variety of subsequent Chinese works of history and fiction. At one point, however, it became identified with the giraffe, and even today, the giraffe is called a "kirin" by the Japanese and Koreans.
The Qilin became tiger like after their disappearance in real life and become a stylised representation of the giraffe in Ming Dynasty.[3][4] It is known that on Zheng He's voyage to East Africa (landing, among other places, in modern-day Kenya), the fleet brought back two giraffes to Beijing. It is also known that these two giraffes were referred to as "Qilins".[5] The Emperor proclaimed the giraffes magical creatures, whose capture signalled the greatness of his power.
The identification between the Qilin and the giraffe is supported by some attributes of the Qilin, including its vegetarian and quiet nature. Its reputed ability to "walk on grass without disturbing it" may be related to the giraffe's long legs. Also the Qilin is described as having antlers like a deer and scales like a dragon or fish; since the giraffe has horn-like "ossicones" on its head and a tessellated coat pattern that looks like scales it is easy to draw an analogy between the two creatures.


It is unlikely that giraffes and qilin were regarded as the same creature in pre-modern times however. For example, typical depictions of the qilin have much shorter necks than giraffes. However, the Chinese characters of Qilun 麒 and 麟 both carry Chinese radical 鹿, suggesting that the eyewitness described them deer like animal, or perhaps an antelope."


if this is true, then we only have the Turtle, the Phoenix and the Dragon left. These could surpass Arceus.

myrrh25 September 3rd, 2010 12:01 AM

Just because Arceus has the highest BST does by no means make him the strongest, it makes him the most beneficially balanced. Technically, Deoxys-A is the strongest Pokemon in existence so far.

#ontopic: Only if they create one to oppose Arceus in attempting to destroy the "world he created".

coolnick37 September 3rd, 2010 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by pokewalker (Post 6124757)
if this is true, then we only have the Turtle, the Phoenix and the Dragon left. These could surpass Arceus.

We already have phoenix, its ho-oh, btw ho-oh does actually means phoenix in japanese.
That leaves dragon and turtle. :D

stargate1995 September 3rd, 2010 12:54 AM

What I want to see is the opposite of Arceus, the destroyer. Seen as Arceus created the world/Universe/Pokemon I'de like a Pokemon to try to destroy the world/Univ.... possibly making the plot for the 3rd installment in this series... Anyway I don't belive this will happen and that Arceus will remain unchallenged for now.

pokewalker September 3rd, 2010 1:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by coolnick37 (Post 6124818)
We already have phoenix, its ho-oh, btw ho-oh does actually means phoenix in japanese.
That leaves dragon and turtle. :D

yeah that does make sense... and what if Rayquaza is the dragon? it is a typical chinese dragon, so it DOES make sense :\ and if that is true, its only logical that in this generation the Turtle will come... and surpass arceus.

MushroomZOMBIE September 3rd, 2010 1:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Sora's Nobody (Post 6122922)
Yeah im thinking like a time travel pokemon. or something like that, which could have something to do with the storyline.

We've forgotten a certain green fairy-like creature, haven't we?

Sora's Nobody September 3rd, 2010 3:31 AM

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Originally Posted by MushroomZOMBIE (Post 6124865)


We've forgotten a certain green fairy-like creature, haven't we?

Haha. Woops, dang. Well what other skill could a pokemon have? What about a pokemon who hmmm how to say this. punishes sins.

Houndoom Shinigami September 3rd, 2010 4:01 AM

I agree with all of you. If Victini ends up being stronger than Arceus...that will be EPIC!

Victini uses ????(whatever).
Arceus was defeated by enemy's ????!

See what I mean? Victini (tiny) vs God (Arceus) and Victini wins? Insanely epic.

Åzurε September 3rd, 2010 9:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Houndoom Shinigami (Post 6125054)
I agree with all of you. If Victini ends up being stronger than Arceus...that will be EPIC!

Victini uses ????(whatever).
Arceus was defeated by enemy's ????!

See what I mean? Victini (tiny) vs God (Arceus) and Victini wins? Insanely epic.

It all boils down to the "Conservation of Ninjutsu" prinicple. Arceus is too big. His power, massive as it is, is spread throughout his entire body. Victini has a great deal of power himself, but it's compressed into a teeny tiny body.
Therefore, Vic is effectively stronger than Arceus.

If you ever hear about a legendary germ Pokemon, run like hell.

Sora's Nobody September 3rd, 2010 9:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Åzurε (Post 6125625)
It all boils down to the "Conservation of Ninjutsu" prinicple. Arceus is too big. His power, massive as it is, is spread throughout his entire body. Victini has a great deal of power himself, but it's compressed into a teeny tiny body.
Therefore, Vic is effectively stronger than Arceus.

If you ever hear about a legendary germ Pokemon, run like hell.

Haha. Good ine. Victini also looks smarter, as it has more compreseed brain power

Houndoom Shinigami September 3rd, 2010 10:27 AM

I agree with both of you now...plus, since Arceus is big, he would have trouble hitting Victini either way, cuz' Victini would be able to dodge them anyways.

Sora's Nobody September 3rd, 2010 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Houndoom Shinigami (Post 6125727)
I agree with both of you now...plus, since Arceus is big, he would have trouble hitting Victini either way, cuz' Victini would be able to dodge them anyways.

Yeah i think we all agree Victini will probably replace Arceus.

Houndoom Shinigami September 3rd, 2010 10:40 AM

Yeah, I guess. And I always thought that since Victini was #000 in the Isshu Pokedex and was considered Phantom, he would obviously be stronger than Arceus.

pokewalker September 3rd, 2010 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Houndoom Shinigami (Post 6125756)
Yeah, I guess. And I always thought that since Victini was #000 in the Isshu Pokedex and was considered Phantom, he would obviously be stronger than Arceus.

if that's true, Victini is gonna be a über-über-über-über-über-über-über-über-über-über-über-über-über-über-über-über-pokemon.

The Red Chain September 3rd, 2010 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Sora's Nobody (Post 6125748)

Yeah i think we all agree Victini will probably replace Arceus.

Where are you guys even getting this from? Victini is a small legendary, with all base 100 stats, or a base stat total of 600.
Proven in this picture :

http://i56.*.com/24q7rm8.png

As you can see, all of Victini's stats are around each other number wise, the varying happening because of IVs. You encounter Victini at level 15, as shown in the preview I got this picture from. The 58 in HP : I ran a calculation for a level 15 Jirachi with 31 IVs in HP, and it has 59. Therefore Victini has a 30 IV in HP, hence the massiveness. XD

I'm afraid a small legendary will not be replacing Arceus anytime soon. On-topic, I do not believe Arceus will get a counterpart at all. That would be pushing it wayyy too far.


Houndoom Shinigami September 3rd, 2010 11:08 AM

Well, we're just disscussing anyway...lol. Well, it depends what you believe. I saw Victini's stats and some were higher than Arceus's, but I saw that a long time ago, they could've changed and there you have it.

Mew~ September 3rd, 2010 11:14 AM

Maybe~ But Arceus is really only somthing to do with Sinnoh myths and ledgends, so we could get an even stronger pokemon from Issue since its a far away region so they may have there own beliefs n' stuff!

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 3rd, 2010 11:18 AM

Well I don't want a pokemon to surpass Arceus, it would make the other pokemon less attractive to use in a Uber battle...

Sora's Nobody September 3rd, 2010 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 6125848)
Well I don't want a pokemon to surpass Arceus, it would make the other pokemon less attractive to use in a Uber battle...

So you just from now on they should just had less improtant powerwise pokemon? I mean you'll always end up envying arceus.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 3rd, 2010 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sora's Nobody (Post 6125857)

So you just from now on they should just had less improtant powerwise pokemon? I mean you'll always end up envying arceus.

Yeah well it's the "God" so it makes sense in a way to keep it the pinnacle :)

Sora's Nobody September 3rd, 2010 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 6125874)

Yeah well it's the "God" so it makes sense in a way to keep it the pinnacle :)

What if we have angel pokemon now? Or "Messenger"
Pokemon as they'll probably call it.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 3rd, 2010 11:39 AM

Well the messenger will still not be as powerful as Arceus...

Houndoom Shinigami September 3rd, 2010 11:43 AM

I agree, and besides, if they already named one God Pokemon, why would they make two?

Sora's Nobody September 3rd, 2010 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 6125906)
Well the messenger will still not be as powerful as Arceus...

No i know,. but as you said, you cant have anything more powerfull than god, i thought about something about god, and that was that he has those messengers.

Itstoppedatumbreon September 3rd, 2010 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Live_Wire466 (Post 6123634)
Arceus is based on this:

http://www.3dexport.com/models/7687/18389/kirin01.jpg
"The Qilin (Chinese: 麒麟; pinyin: qílín; Wade–Giles: ch'i-lin), also spelled Kirin (from Japanese) or sometimes Kyrin, is a mythical hooved Chinese chimerical creature known throughout various East Asian cultures, and is said to appear in conjunction with the arrival of a sage. It is a good omen that brings rui (Chinese: 瑞; pinyin: ruì; roughly translated as "serenity" or "prosperity"). It is often depicted with what looks like fire all over its body. It is sometimes called the "Chinese unicorn" due to conflation with the unicorn by Westerners.

The earliest references to the Qilin are in the 5th century BC book Zuo Zhuan.[1][2] The Qilin made appearances in a variety of subsequent Chinese works of history and fiction. At one point, however, it became identified with the giraffe, and even today, the giraffe is called a "kirin" by the Japanese and Koreans.
The Qilin became tiger like after their disappearance in real life and become a stylised representation of the giraffe in Ming Dynasty.[3][4] It is known that on Zheng He's voyage to East Africa (landing, among other places, in modern-day Kenya), the fleet brought back two giraffes to Beijing. It is also known that these two giraffes were referred to as "Qilins".[5] The Emperor proclaimed the giraffes magical creatures, whose capture signalled the greatness of his power.
The identification between the Qilin and the giraffe is supported by some attributes of the Qilin, including its vegetarian and quiet nature. Its reputed ability to "walk on grass without disturbing it" may be related to the giraffe's long legs. Also the Qilin is described as having antlers like a deer and scales like a dragon or fish; since the giraffe has horn-like "ossicones" on its head and a tessellated coat pattern that looks like scales it is easy to draw an analogy between the two creatures.


It is unlikely that giraffes and qilin were regarded as the same creature in pre-modern times however. For example, typical depictions of the qilin have much shorter necks than giraffes. However, the Chinese characters of Qilun 麒 and 麟 both carry Chinese radical 鹿, suggesting that the eyewitness described them deer like animal, or perhaps an antelope."




I think it would be hilarious if Victini were that powerful. 730 or 750 base stats would be insane if wielded by a 5 pound mouse thing. xD

He looks more like Raikou than Arcues
i hope the little V pokemon does beat it. that would be the best thing ever
even better,in ishuu,arceus gets a new form,even bigger, with 1 in each stat at level 100

[Enter Witty Name Here] September 3rd, 2010 1:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 6122513)

If there was an Omega pokemon it would be one that would Destroy the universe, as it's the opposite of the Creator :)...

That would be cool! The main story of the game could be to kill/catch it!

King Gumball September 3rd, 2010 7:43 PM

^^^^

Yeah I hope there is like a Devil pokemon, something extremely powerful like Arceus only evil and full of Darkness.

2nd-Thanatos September 3rd, 2010 8:05 PM

Arceus is the creator of the universe, come on. They can't have anything more powerful than that. What they can do, is "take it off". Like Jirachi. Jirachi can make every wish real and that's pretty powerful, but he only appears each 1000 years. Arceus could have a drawback like that.

Or, the new pokemon doesn't have to be more powerful than Arceus. If you look, Zekrom/Reshiram aren't powerful as Dialga/Palkia are, and that's not a problem.

A person with just one eye is a king in a country of blind people. You know what I mean? xD

The new "god" pokemon just have to be the mightiest of Isshu, and it's ok.

Rengoku September 3rd, 2010 8:37 PM

I don't get WHY a new generation has to have more powerful legendaries compared to the previous.

Arceus can still maintain it's God of Pokemon status with more legendaries that are weaker than it.

Remember? New generations are area that ALREADY "existed" in the Pokemon world - Even though it's new to us, even generation 6 Pokemon already "existed" to them.

solarowl September 3rd, 2010 11:16 PM

i know that pokemon games are trying to make better pokemon but if arceus is the GOD pokemon i think it should be strong or at least be different than others :(

Sora's Nobody September 3rd, 2010 11:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rilence (Post 6127382)
I don't get WHY a new generation has to have more powerful legendaries compared to the previous.

Arceus can still maintain it's God of Pokemon status with more legendaries that are weaker than it.

Remember? New generations are area that ALREADY "existed" in the Pokemon world - Even though it's new to us, even generation 6 Pokemon already "existed" to them.

that actually made good sence. Your right, in the pokemon world all the pokemon already exist, but their only new to us, so if we all think that way, they would have no reason to overpower arceus.

Houndoom Shinigami September 4th, 2010 3:55 AM

Quote:

that actually made good sence. Your right, in the pokemon world all the pokemon already exist, but their only new to us, so if we all think that way, they would have no reason to overpower arceus.
I agree. In the Pokemon world, even Isshu already existed, but we didn't know. So yeah, no reason to overpower Arceus.

dragonite149 September 4th, 2010 7:28 AM

Arceus must have existed in the days of RBY,it's just that the Kanto people didnt know about it so they thought Mewtwo was the most powerful Pokemon.
Maybe in Isshu,there could be a situation like that,where the Isshu people think (insert Isshu legendary name here) is the most powerful Pokemon but it is surpassed by Arceus and the only reason Isshu people think (insert Isshu legendary name here) is the most powerful Pokemon is because they don't know about Arceus.
(That's a sensible reason 'cos they don't even know about Pikachu)

dragon0fangz September 4th, 2010 7:38 AM

haha, guys, i dont know what youre talking about. Victini is stronger than arceus! It is the Victory pokemon, after all! It has to be able to beat arceus!

PaxAmericana September 4th, 2010 8:33 PM

Arceus is the Alpha Pokemon, so a Omega pokemon seems plausible, but they would be equally strong

2nd-Thanatos September 4th, 2010 10:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dragon0fangz (Post 6128415)
haha, guys, i dont know what youre talking about. Victini is stronger than arceus! It is the Victory pokemon, after all! It has to be able to beat arceus!

Dude, that makes no sense.
And seriously, if they say Victini is more powerful than Arceus, I'll not play B/W.

You can't create a God for a generation, and 2 years later say that that "god" is weak and a small and cute pokemon can kill it. Seriously, you can't.

Gardenia101 September 4th, 2010 11:46 PM

I do rather like the idea of the Omega Pokemon. You know, a god and a devil

Shiro September 5th, 2010 9:17 AM

I'm kind of hoping that we won't get a legendary overkill this time. But given the pattern of the games, they're probably going to put ~something~ to compete with Arceus.

My best guess at this point would be something like a cult summoning a Pokemon that rivals Arceus, perhaps a devil figure as some mentioned.

Or maybe Mudkipz finally rises to the top and earns its rightful title while overthrowing Arceus.

coolnick37 September 5th, 2010 9:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gardenia101 (Post 6130745)
I do rather like the idea of the Omega Pokemon. You know, a god and a devil

Arceus as a god pokemon, doesnt represent christian comprehension of god, meaning that he is good while satan is evil, arceus is a god only in a way that he created the pokemon world, he doesnt represent sides or is considered evil nor good. Have in mind that japanese made these games so they are not christians like you(I suppose since ur talking about devil and god) and have different views on their gods.
However it is possible that an omega pokemon will be made, as in arceus creates the world but omega wants to end it. That doesnt necessarily make him evil nor arceus good, its just his purpose to end the world, as in lets say, he doesnt like how ppl have become so he wants to end the world, then let the arceus make a new one. This also fits eastern religious view better, since they believe everything cycles in the world.

GlitchCity September 5th, 2010 12:01 PM

well imo there has to be, well a counterpart to it. Since Arceus is called a 'god', why not make a devil pokemon. Yeah I know its not pokemon's style but I really want to see that happen.

iAMFEARL3SS September 5th, 2010 2:30 PM

i think we should just deal with whatever gamefreak provides for us..... whatever legendaries they give us it won't matter, it is what it is haha.

solarowl September 5th, 2010 2:43 PM

i just found an argument to my own idea..lol
i said that there should arceus should be strongest with maybe a devil counterpart.
but now that i think when gen 2 and 3 wasnt released, mewto and mew were supposedly the strongest, then came gen 2 and 3 which brought even stronger legends! so im guessing with 4, 5 will have stornger legends and so on. but really it only matters how u train it...


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