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Tropical Sunlight September 2nd, 2010 5:59 AM

Stronger than Arceus?
 
Generation 4 brought an Pokemon called Arceus. It is known as the Alpha Pokemon and is currently the strongest Pokemon. It it even said that Arceus created the Universe and everything in it!
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Do you think there will be an even stronger Pokemon in Pokemon B/W?

I think there will be, but it will be an event Pokemon.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 2nd, 2010 6:01 AM

Well there doesn't need to be any pokemon stronger than Arceus in BW as for the three gens before 4 we had 600 stat pokemon considered as the "Strongest", Mew, Celebi, Deoxys, along with 670/680 pokemon the Mascots of GSRSE + Mewtwo

LethalTexture September 2nd, 2010 6:02 AM

I think there will be an opposite, with equal stats, but an equally unique nature. An Omega pokémon, perhaps.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 2nd, 2010 6:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Horizon (Post 6122512)
I think there will be an opposite, with equal stats, but an equally unique nature. An Omega pokémon, perhaps.

If there was an Omega pokemon it would be one that would Destroy the universe, as it's the opposite of the Creator :)...

Musica September 2nd, 2010 6:10 AM

If there would be an even stronger Poke than Arceus.. It would suck, imo. I think the only one who could be stronger than Arceus is its creator.

LethalTexture September 2nd, 2010 6:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 6122513)

If there was an Omega pokemon it would be one that would Destroy the universe, as it's the opposite of the Creator :)...

Exactly, would add a whole new spin to gameplay, wouldn't it? ;D

Gardenia101 September 2nd, 2010 6:17 AM

Well, Nintendo has been successfully making an even more powerful legendary each generation, so, yes.

coolnick37 September 2nd, 2010 6:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Gardenia101 (Post 6122529)
Well, Nintendo has been successfully making an even more powerful legendary each generation, so, yes.

Mewtwo was the strongest one before arceus so that aint true. I guess new legendaries wont be as powerfull as arceus.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 2nd, 2010 6:34 AM

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Originally Posted by coolnick37 (Post 6122548)
Mewtwo was the strongest one before arceus so that aint true. I guess new legendaries wont be as powerfull as arceus.

Actually Mewtwo was tied up with a lot of Pokemon, so it stopped being the strongest in Gen 2 but that's another discussion.
Yeah I don't think we wills see an Arces Opposite this gen, and I'll rather we don't anyways, until next gen at least...

vince82495 September 2nd, 2010 6:37 AM

i dont think theyre goona make apokemon stronger than arceus. he's the creator of the pokemon universe and pokemon. he cant make a pokemon stronger than him :D

pokewalker September 2nd, 2010 6:44 AM

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Originally Posted by vince82495 (Post 6122574)
i dont think theyre goona make apokemon stronger than arceus. he's the creator of the pokemon universe and pokemon. he cant make a pokemon stronger than him :D

arceus is the god pokemon. what is the opposite of god? satan. i guess gen.5's last pokedex nr. will be #666. 6 stands for satan. satan is at least as powerful as god is. so that can be our next arceus:P

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 2nd, 2010 6:48 AM

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Originally Posted by pokewalker (Post 6122586)
arceus is the god pokemon. what is the opposite of god? satan. i guess gen.5's last pokedex nr. will be #666. 6 stands for satan. satan is at least as powerful as god is. so that can be our next arceus:P

Ehh Arceus isn't based on the Christian God though, it's based on Pangu a Chinese god, so I think not, and even if it was, the omega pokemon could be Arceus son (Aka: Jesus)

pokewalker September 2nd, 2010 6:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 6122593)

Ehh Arceus isn't based on the Christian God though, it's based on Pangu a Chinese god, so I think not, and even if it was, the omega pokemon could be Arceus son (Aka: Jesus)

but if gamefreak would make a omega pokemon, it is inpossible to make a pokemon stronger than that. gamefreak would never make a pokemon that is impossible strong

UPD: didn't know arceus was a chinese god.

Zhinc September 2nd, 2010 6:52 AM

I read an interesting theory somewhere, but I can't remember where exactly for the life of me...probably some opinion article on Bulbapedia or something....
Anyway, the writer commented that the wording of how Arcues' came to be reminded them of some eastern mythology where a creator was created when two opposing forces formed a harmony. The writer thought that, possibly, Reshiram and Zekrom may be the creators of Arceus, if that myth has any influence on their design.

Personally, I think it's an interesting theory, but I highly doubt they'd make version mascots more powerful than an event legendary. Like many of you, I'm expecting an equal, but opposite, to Arceus, if anything, though perhaps not necessarily along the lines of a Devil/Demon/whatever Pokemon. I heard someone somewhere voice the opinion of a pantheon of "god Pokemon", which I would love seeing far more than a God-vs-Devil thing going on. I don't think it's really appropriate for Pokemon. =/

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 2nd, 2010 7:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Zhinc (Post 6122605)
I read an interesting theory somewhere, but I can't remember where exactly for the life of me...probably some opinion article on Bulbapedia or something....
Anyway, the writer commented that the wording of how Arcues' came to be reminded them of some eastern mythology where a creator was created when two opposing forces formed a harmony. The writer thought that, possibly, Reshiram and Zekrom may be the creators of Arceus, if that myth has any influence on their design.

Personally, I think it's an interesting theory, but I highly doubt they'd make version mascots more powerful than an event legendary. Like many of you, I'm expecting an equal, but opposite, to Arceus, if anything, though perhaps not necessarily along the lines of a Devil/Demon/whatever Pokemon. I heard someone somewhere voice the opinion of a pantheon of "god Pokemon", which I would love seeing far more than a God-vs-Devil thing going on. I don't think it's really appropriate for Pokemon. =/

The mythology you are thinking of is that of Pangu the Chinese creation god who Created the Cardinal points and Yin and Yang (Rashiram and Zekrom/ Latias and Latios :o!?)

Sora's Nobody September 2nd, 2010 8:54 AM

Oh yeah, i didnt check if this was mentioned in this thread, but. The opposite of god, The Devil. But then again. They have promised on several occasions that there would several more generations. So i guess when God and Satan exists, they might aswell pack-up their legendary factory.

Devil Flamingo September 2nd, 2010 8:59 AM

I hope not, because Arceus is God, and it doesn't get stronger than God. It would be wrong and I'd consider this other Pokemon a devil-worshipper, a sinner, and the equivalent of Satan, lmfao. Okay, I'm just kidding, I'm not even a believer, but seriously, I don't see the point or the need. Arceus should remain the strongest Pokemon ever; to have a new Pokemon top him would be ridic.

Åzurε September 2nd, 2010 9:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Devil Flamingo (Post 6122832)
I hope not, because Arceus is God, and it doesn't get stronger than God. It would be wrong and I'd consider this other Pokemon a devil-worshipper, a sinner, and the equivalent of Satan, lmfao. Okay, I'm just kidding, I'm not even a believer, but seriously, I don't see the point or the need. Arceus should remain the strongest Pokemon ever; to have a new Pokemon top him would be ridic.

Well, He's one thing, and a creation deity is another. Ymir from Norse myths ended up dead, so...

IMO, no more legendary Pokemon unless they actually have a role to play. Eventually we may need an Omega Pokemon, but not yet. What's interesting for now is that Pangu woke up when his Yin and Yang balanced. So maybe Zek and Reshi had something to do with that... Can't wait to see if they run with it.

Sora's Nobody September 2nd, 2010 9:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Devil Flamingo (Post 6122832)
I hope not, because Arceus is God, and it doesn't get stronger than God. It would be wrong and I'd consider this other Pokemon a devil-worshipper, a sinner, and the equivalent of Satan, lmfao. Okay, I'm just kidding, I'm not even a believer, but seriously, I don't see the point or the need. Arceus should remain the strongest Pokemon ever; to have a new Pokemon top him would be ridic.

Yes. But what more can they do? Any pokemon under areus are basicly meaningless, they HAVE to top it, They have no choice.

Åzurε September 2nd, 2010 9:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Sora's Nobody (Post 6122867)

Yes. But what more can they do? Any pokemon under areus are basicly meaningless, they HAVE to top it, They have no choice.

Why? Just because they've gone over to Arceus doesn't mean they have to keep going up. What would happen if they didn't invent a legendary to top him?

Sora's Nobody September 2nd, 2010 9:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Åzurε (Post 6122880)
Why? Just because they've gone over to Arceus doesn't mean they have to keep going up. What would happen if they didn't invent a legendary to top him?

Well i guess you're right. But thinking about it now. What can now be added to the legendary line, havne they covered every mythology of the world now :P .

pokewalker September 2nd, 2010 9:26 AM

pangu created the world according to the chinese legend, but he did that with help from the Turtle, the Qilin, the Phoenix, and the Dragon. maybe that's the legendary trio! (yes i know theyre with four but it is logical and it is possible that they do this this time with the legendary four instead of 3. and a few months ago there was a rumor that there would be a pokemon that looked like a Qilin. (only they said that it looked like this(this= a link to a picture that looked like a Qilin.)) (if this was confusing please say so xD)

Sora's Nobody September 2nd, 2010 9:29 AM

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Originally Posted by pokewalker (Post 6122888)
pangu created the world according to the chinese legend, but he did that with help from the Turtle, the Qilin, the Phoenix, and the Dragon. maybe that's the legendary trio! (yes i know theyre with four but it is logical and it is possible that they do this this time with the legendary four instead of 3. and a few months ago there was a rumor that there would be a pokemon that looked like a Qilin. (only they said that it looked like this(this= a link to a picture that looked like a Qilin.)) (if this was confusing please say so xD)

I'm confused XD but yeah i see what you mean. I could tottaly, imagine a legendary turtle.

pokewalker September 2nd, 2010 9:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Sora's Nobody (Post 6122895)
I'm confused XD but yeah i see what you mean. I could tottaly, imagine a legendary turtle.

something like azelf is also hard to imagine; and this theory is only logical.

Sora's Nobody September 2nd, 2010 9:35 AM

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Originally Posted by pokewalker (Post 6122902)
something like azelf is also hard to imagine; and this theory is only logical.

Yes. So now instead of trying to top arcues they might just make the legendarys who form the world. Coool!


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