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Skara September 7th, 2010 1:17 PM

The Ultimate Hariyama?
 
So after ages of research, damage calculation, Abilitydex consulting and Type matching, I think I've come up with the Ultimate Hariyama.

The set.
http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/6/69/Spr_3e_297.gif
Spoiler:

Hariyama
@Flame Orb
Ability: Guts
Nature: Adament

-Payback
-Close Combat
-Facade
-Reversal

Ev's.
252 Atk
140 Sp.Def
112 Def

The strategy.
Spoiler:

Defense - Mainly based on SP, it saves you from Psychic type threats. While you can use Payback when you survive. Same for Standard Defense, defeding against Flying Type threats. It helps survive attacks from OU threats such as Alakazam, Bronzong, Jirachi and Skamory.

Attack - With no SpA, Calm Mind is rendered completely useless defense-wise. It's Physical moves get a boost from STAB, Low Speed and HP and It's Burn from Flame Orb. This all this gets rid of Weavile, Blissey and Heatran, among others.

So all in all, it has coverage against several threats. And while still being countered by Metagross, it still has epic coverage.


If you think it can be improved, or that it's simply terrible, feel free to comment :P

Amore September 7th, 2010 1:22 PM

Have you seen Alakazam's Special Attack? Hariyama ain't taking that.

Nice idea, but you're only taking weak hits from Slowbro/King...

Surmonter September 7th, 2010 1:25 PM

Why a Flame Orb? That burns him and cuts his attack in half. Even with the boosted power of Facade, since the burn cuts it's attack in half, Facade still does normal damage and every other does half.

That's a horrible Hariyama.


Nevermind. I failed. I forgot about guts.

It's decent. It can be taken down by psychic types easily though.

Skara September 7th, 2010 1:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Surmonter (Post 6136737)
Why a Flame Orb? That burns him and cuts his attack in half. Even with the boosted power of Facade, since the burn cuts it's attack in half, Facade still does normal damage and every other does half.

That's a horrible Hariyama.


Nevermind. I failed. I forgot about guts.

It's decent. It can be taken down by psychic types easily though.

Yeah, I need to rethink that ._.

Lord Yawgmoth September 7th, 2010 4:42 PM

I agree with Amore. The only Psychic type attacks you'll have to worry about will be OHKOing you anyways, no matter what you do. (Espeon and Alakazam's Psychic, for example)
Unless you run Payapa Berry or something, which would fail anyways.
A noble cause though, I really like Hariyama and I'm happy to see people trying to make him a good moveset.

bobandbill September 8th, 2010 3:52 AM

This isn't really suited for this section, I'm afraid - this is for HGSS discussion rathr than Hariyama or other individual Pokemon sets analysis. This section would be for that though: http://www.pokecommunity.com/forumdisplay.php?s=&daysprune=&f=197 In particular I believe the sticky thread thre (on movesets/simple Q&A, etc) would be a place to repost this if you want more opinions - seeing I can't move and merge with that thread though going to close.

(Seems like a decent start to me, although idk about Reversal - would it typically have much opportunity to use it, and often? But I'm no competitive guru on the other hand =p).


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