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AmethystDragon December 29th, 2010 12:33 PM

Ok, I think I should leave the Dragon's Den. I'm not posting in it very much, so, well, what's the point of being a member?

Time Guardian December 29th, 2010 10:01 PM

Amethyst - same here, to be honest, I haven't been around on here in a while, for some reason I just found my interest to of been died out really quickly here.

So yeah, just take me out of the member list, I'll probably just return to "forum-lurking once in a blue moon" status like I always seem to do with 90% of fourms that I've been to.

dragoniteuser December 30th, 2010 3:22 AM

Well those are sad news, but if you two wish for this to happen, I'm sure that tkallab will make all the changes.
But for all of us that want disscussions to continue, new topic:
Which movie dragon is the best in your opinion?
Some of the movies that have dragons in it:
Reign of Fire
Harry Potter and the Goblet of fire
Dungeons and dragons
Dragon Heart
Eragon
If you know about more movies that has dragons in it, feel free to add...

tkallab December 30th, 2010 7:57 AM

Okay, how about I make you two inactive members? Would that be okay too?

To answer my own topic, I think it's okay when Dragon Pokémon evolve at a high level, as long as they evolve somewhere earlier too. Dratini is okay because it evolves into something usable, Dragonair, at level 30. Then, after being something really cool for 25 levels, it evolves into something even cooler at level 55.
I wish Trapinch would evolve into Vibrava earlier, because it isn't that strong. It feels weird when you have to train a Pokémon to level 35 only to have it turn into something else with a lower attack. Level 25 would be a lot more logical. Then, 20 levels later, it evolves into a Dragon, which is fine by me because it's a big change from dragonfly to dragon. Instead, Game Freak decided only 10 levels are needed to make it evolve. Seems like a little too quickly.
Bagon too, I think it takes too long for him to evolve into Shelgon. He isn't even all that cool, just a big ball with eyes. He should evolve at level 20 or something, also because it's a big metamorphosis from ball to dragon.
No problems with Gible's family at all. So prefect.
No Generation V for now, I'm all out of writing potential.

Silhouette December 30th, 2010 9:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tkallab (Post 6365360)
Oh right, I'll make a members list in the first post I made in the thread.
http://www.pokecommunity.com/showpost.php?p=6146464&postcount=5

Also, I have a new topic!
Do you think Dragons evolve at a too high level?

It's hard to make topics when everything has been done...

Added the Member's list in the first post. ;)
Quote:

Originally Posted by dragoniteuser (Post 6368862)
Well those are sad news, but if you two wish for this to happen, I'm sure that tkallab will make all the changes.
But for all of us that want disscussions to continue, new topic:
Which movie dragon is the best in your opinion?
Some of the movies that have dragons in it:
Reign of Fire
Harry Potter and the Goblet of fire
Dungeons and dragons
Dragon Heart
Eragon
If you know about more movies that has dragons in it, feel free to add...

I. . . haven't seen any of those movies. XD

Do you think Dragons evolve at a too high level?

Nah, I think they're fine. It doesn't take long to grind against wild Pokemon, and Dragons are supposed to be 'all powerful' and what not. I don't think it would make sense to have a level 40 Dragonite by the time you hit the Rocket Hideout *coughLancecough*.

Tony Montana December 30th, 2010 9:55 AM

Do you think Dragons evolve at a too high level?

No, it's perfect that way. Since dragons are more for the pros, they should take more time to evolve and that way make the games more challenging. Although I have to say it's quite annoying to train Trapinch so it evolves into Vibrava.

Xilfer December 30th, 2010 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dragoniteuser (Post 6368862)
Well those are sad news, but if you two wish for this to happen, I'm sure that tkallab will make all the changes.
But for all of us that want disscussions to continue, new topic:
Which movie dragon is the best in your opinion?
Some of the movies that have dragons in it:
Reign of Fire
Harry Potter and the Goblet of fire
Dungeons and dragons
Dragon Heart
Eragon
If you know about more movies that has dragons in it, feel free to add...

Hmm, i like harry potter dragons, Eragon and...there was something else i really liked but i can't remember.

Quote:

Originally Posted by tkallab (Post 6369164)
Okay, how about I make you two inactive members? Would that be okay too?

To answer my own topic, I think it's okay when Dragon Pokémon evolve at a high level, as long as they evolve somewhere earlier too. Dratini is okay because it evolves into something usable, Dragonair, at level 30. Then, after being something really cool for 25 levels, it evolves into something even cooler at level 55.
I wish Trapinch would evolve into Vibrava earlier, because it isn't that strong. It feels weird when you have to train a Pokémon to level 35 only to have it turn into something else with a lower attack. Level 25 would be a lot more logical. Then, 20 levels later, it evolves into a Dragon, which is fine by me because it's a big change from dragonfly to dragon. Instead, Game Freak decided only 10 levels are needed to make it evolve. Seems like a little too quickly.
Bagon too, I think it takes too long for him to evolve into Shelgon. He isn't even all that cool, just a big ball with eyes. He should evolve at level 20 or something, also because it's a big metamorphosis from ball to dragon.
No problems with Gible's family at all. So prefect.
No Generation V for now, I'm all out of writing potential.

You're right, the Trapinch evo line is kinda high leveled, why do Gamefreak never learn their lesson? everyone's been complaining about the fire/fighting starter commonity and what do these fags do? they make ANOTHER ONE! (don't get me wrong he's awsome, but they could've made him fire/dark or something) i mean there's so many combos for it that they can make and what do they do, same old same old, they do this for many other things too.

Regeneration December 30th, 2010 7:44 PM

^ That rant there is unnecessary.

Even though Trapinch and Vibrava take a lot of time to evolve, the final evolution in the form of Flygon is one of the best Pokemon ever. It is completely worth the effort. Stop complaining without even giving a good reason.

Dooonerz December 31st, 2010 7:59 AM

@Draggy's topic- That Harry Potter one was epic! Harry kicked the Dragon's ass for once!

@tkallabs topic- I agree with the fact that Bagon evolves too late; but isn't it the same for the Flygon line? And yeah I agree with the Garchomp line; utter perfection.

tkallab December 31st, 2010 10:34 AM

Xilfer, I think your little text would have been more fitting in the Starter Fan Club. I d agree with you, though.

Anyway, to continue on my topic of evolution, I kinda like the way Seadra evolves into Kingdra. You basically give something that isn't a Dragon a Dragon item and it'll become a Dragon. Pretty cool, if you ask me.

Xilfer December 31st, 2010 4:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Regeneration (Post 6370517)
^ That rant there is unnecessary.

Even though Trapinch and Vibrava take a lot of time to evolve, the final evolution in the form of Flygon is one of the best Pokemon ever. It is completely worth the effort. Stop complaining without even giving a good reason.

I know. but it's true.

Quote:

Originally Posted by tkallab (Post 6371768)
Xilfer, I think your little text would have been more fitting in the Starter Fan Club. I d agree with you, though.

Anyway, to continue on my topic of evolution, I kinda like the way Seadra evolves into Kingdra. You basically give something that isn't a Dragon a Dragon item and it'll become a Dragon. Pretty cool, if you ask me.

yeah, i just hate how these dumbos never learn!
And yeah, Seadra does evolve pretty nicely, i've never understood the Dragonite evo line though...but i think we already discussed that.
What about Bagon though.... it evolves into Shellgon, a kind of cocoon thing, somebody tell me what that's based on, i never really understood it.

AmethystDragon January 2nd, 2011 7:16 AM

@tkallab: Yeah, that's fine.

Amore January 8th, 2011 2:03 PM

I don't how to answer to the topic, but c'mon, what's with the inactivity guys?

I don't know if anybody wants me to start doing the member list again...good work btw keeping it going...I updated it anyway.

I guess you need a topic, or two:

Which is your favourite un-evolved non-legendary Dragon, and why?

Do you like Satoshi's Gible in the pokémon anime, and would you have it evolve or not?

I'll reply to them later...

tkallab January 8th, 2011 2:03 PM

On command of Amore, I will not let this club die!

Ummm, topic, topic... Think, Tkallab! Think!

Do you think reptilianism is a condition for a Pokémon (or anything) to be a dragon?
I mean, most Dragon Pokémon are reptilian, like Salamence, Rayquaza, Charizard... But take Gyarados, he's a fish, or at least not a reptile.

I don't know if this topic is gonna work, but I'll just see. Also, I didn't make up the word reptilianism. It's some kind of artistic idea from the Renaissance.

Haha, Amore, you were here before me!

Amore January 8th, 2011 3:38 PM

lol, we have now got 3 topics people! You have no excuse for inactivity! And active members of the Dragon's Den get discounts in my new trade thread! (It'll look crap once posted, but improve as I advance throughout my game).

Tony Montana January 8th, 2011 8:12 PM

Which is your favourite un-evolved non-legendary Dragon, and why?

I'll go for Dratini. It looks like a snake (and I love snakes) and can be own other trainers in the blink of an eye once it learns a Dragon-type move (in case you are using it as a starter).

Amore January 9th, 2011 4:11 AM

Haha, technically Vibrava's excluded. Let's change it:

Which is your favourite evolvable Dragon, and why?

Well, it's got to be Dragonair...it's so...majestic. And powerful. Dratini often seems underpowered (Even when using it as a starter, it died a lot until hitting lv.25), whereas Dragonair's more powerful. Even if Slam always misses on LeafGreen.

Regeneration January 9th, 2011 4:53 AM

Which is your favourite evolvable Dragon, and why?
For me, it would be Vibrava mainly because it has an appealing design (to me) and after training Trapinch so much, it is a well rewarded Pokemon. :D

tkallab January 9th, 2011 6:20 AM

I don't really see Vibrava as a dragon, but oh well.

My favorite unevolved dragon is Gible. It's so adorable! That wide open mouth and the backfin... Hahaha!

Xilfer January 9th, 2011 6:36 AM

Well, well, i've been more inactive then i predicted i'd be, sorry...

As for my favorite unevolved dragon... i think you can tell by my sig and such, of course i agree with tkallab, he's not much of a dragon, yet i beleive he was made dragon along with Flygon because they were partially based on Dragonflies DRAGONflies, and also partially on Antlions, very creative if you ask me. So Vibrava it is.



Quote:

Originally Posted by Regeneration (Post 6388662)
Which is your favourite evolvable Dragon, and why?
For me, it would be Vibrava mainly because it has an appealing design (to me) and after training Trapinch so much, it is a well rewarded Pokemon. :D

Wow, i never acctually thought someone would agree with me on that, i think it has an appealing design too, i even completed a solo run with Vibrava.

Amore January 9th, 2011 8:38 AM

Hmmm....I don't think I've ever owned a Flygon since 2006....I had a Shiny Vibrava though! That was epic...then I traded it away, and hopefully its' current owner realises how awesome it is :)

I think it's a Dragon...I don't know why, but then again, I still consider Altaria to be a dragon...it's been owned by Lance (in one instance), giving it as much right as Flygon...

Dooonerz January 9th, 2011 9:01 AM

Which is your favourite un-evolved non-legendary Dragon, and why?
GIBLE. He is a stubby legged Ground Dragon, that has Jaws like a shark. What's not to like? <3

Do you like Satoshi's Gible in the pokémon anime, and would you have it evolve or not?

Is Satoshi's American alter-ego Ash? If so, then Gible was hilarious. In a recent episode (where Ash faces Conway) Gible Draco Meteor'ed Conway's Shuckle! And the episode "Gotta Catch A Gible!" Gible was fantastically funny. I would prefer him not to be evolved because I like Gible more than Garchomp, but then again, Ash needs some more Pokemon than just Infernape and Pikachu.

Xilfer January 9th, 2011 9:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amore (Post 6388931)
Hmmm....I don't think I've ever owned a Flygon since 2006....I had a Shiny Vibrava though! That was epic...then I traded it away, and hopefully its' current owner realises how awesome it is :)

I think it's a Dragon...I don't know why, but then again, I still consider Altaria to be a dragon...it's been owned by Lance (in one instance), giving it as much right as Flygon...

So you like shiny Vibrava too huh? cool, i like normal Vibrava but shiny Vibrava is awsome too!

Vibrava is a dragon because it's partially based on dragonflies and partly on Antlions, antlion baby stages live in sandy areas: Ground
Dragonflies are..well..DRAGONflies: Dragon.

Edit: WOOHOO! I GOT NINJA'D! oh i haven't been Ninja'd in soooo long!

Amore January 9th, 2011 9:07 AM

Yeah...I guess.

Yes, Satoshi is Ash. I just put the japanese name because it sounds cooler xD

Do you like Satoshi's Gible in the pokémon anime, and would you have it evolve or not?

I like it! I'd kinda like it to evolve, but then again, Garchomp, Dragonite, Salamence etc. are shown to be undefeatable, and you just can't have that, because he has to lose to an absolute n00b in every region...except Hoenn. But he didn't have a rival in that...

I'd also miss his big mouth...the bite jokes are endless. Particularly using Draco Meteor to attempt to digest attempt to defeat Shuckle once he'd bitten it...

tkallab January 9th, 2011 9:24 AM

I'm afraid I can't say much on Ash' Gible, as I don't watch the anime. But Gibles in general are awesome, so I'm sure so is his.

No one interested in my topic..?

Amore January 9th, 2011 9:44 AM

Post it again xD

I think your topic was too complex, mine was generic, and successful.

Xilfer January 9th, 2011 9:46 AM

Do you think Reptillism is a condition for a pokemon to be dragon typed?

No, i mean look at Flygon, Vibrava and a bunch of others, they aren't reptillian, Vibrava and Flygon are based on Antlions and Dragonflies, explaining their type, but Dragonflies aren't reptillian either :P

Totally Ninja'd, YES!

Mew~ January 9th, 2011 9:52 AM

Sorry if I haven't been active enough guy's, i'll try to be.

Do you like Satoshi's Gible in the pokémon anime, and would you have it evolve or not?
I actually found it very funny, like when it hit Piplup with Draco Meteor. I wish he could have evolved it whilst trying to teach it draco meteor like he did with Snowrunt and Ice beam. I hope he decides to bring it with him after Best wishes and evolve it fully to Garchomp.

Amore January 9th, 2011 3:29 PM

Hmmm...I've gotta admit, if I hear Gible evolves, I'll watch the anime again (I'm stopping after Sinnoh ends)

Tony Montana January 9th, 2011 9:35 PM

Which is your favourite evolvable Dragon, and why?

Then I'll go for Dragonair. Same reason I picked Dratini before: I love snakes.

Regeneration January 9th, 2011 9:42 PM

Do you like Satoshi's Gible in the pokémon anime, and would you have it evolve or not?
The way Gible's Draco Meteor always lands on Piplup is what I find funniest about Gible. xD Hmm.. I wouldn't mind if Gible evolved. Maybe it could rival Cynthia's Garchomp somewhere in BW. XP

Amore January 11th, 2011 12:58 PM

Never thought about that! After all, Cynthia appears in every region now! However, Ash's going for a "Fresh" start again, just like Nintendo - although Ash cheated, as he brought an overlevelled Pikachu (why it lost to a Snivy, I do not know. Sure, Iron Tail's not very effective and he couldn't use electricity (also not very effective), but Quick Attack ought to have KO'd it easily)

Silhouette January 11th, 2011 2:53 PM

Gah, sorry for inactivity, dying sucks. :P

Anyway, as for the topic, I don't want Ash's Gible to evolve. Maybe sometime in the future if he ever re-trains it (like his Cyndaquil), but I don't want him to have a Garchomp. It seems like once one of his Pokemon evolve, it loses its personality.

Xilfer January 12th, 2011 7:04 AM

You're right Amore, he DID bring over an overleveled Pikachu.....Hmph, stupid cheating sneak like this:

Puts Pikachu in bag
Tells mom that has no pets with for new journey
goes to isshu/unova whatevs.
brings out pikachu
pikachu loses electricity because of zekrom as punishment by mum!

Z-ing!!!

as for gible, having it evolve would have upsides and downsides, upsides is that it would LOOK way more awsome and probably be more powerfull, downsides is i would miss draco meteoring piplup :(

Amore January 12th, 2011 11:50 AM

I do wonder if the anime directors would do something really unusual and keep the old running gags associated with the base form once it's evolved, i.e. It'd be a super-powerful Gabite, but every time Draco Meteor wasn't aimed at an enemy in a battle, it'd hit Piplup - or one meteor would always hit Piplup xD

I mean, they delivered such a poor fate upon Turtwig after it evolved (did you know as a Grotle/Torterra, it has never survived a battle? It also has lost every battle against Paul, and didn't defeat a single opposing pokémon in the Sinnoh League), why not kill Gabite with Piplup-killer gag?

Xilfer January 13th, 2011 8:49 AM

OMG! REALLY?1 I didn't notice that at all, poor Torterra :(
y'know, it's about time Piplup evolved too doncha think, ash got chimchar way after dawn got piplup, and it's already infernape while Dawn still uses lowly piplup...acctually i barely see her use it....
It would make an awsome Prinplup, right guys? with the whirlpool and all, and it would be even more funny because of the proudness that Prinplup are said to have, imagine Prinplup acting that way towards everyone.
Edit: as for dragons....i don't have that much to say... I think i would miss Gible if it evolved...

Amore January 13th, 2011 9:01 AM

Well, the proudness is the reason it didn't evolve...it uses Bide to store all its' evolution energy instead of evolving (because it'd met Kenny's Prinplup, I think). However, it should either be superpowered (I guess it kinda is), or evolve.

tkallab January 13th, 2011 9:23 AM

Ummm, I don't think Piplup is a dragon.
Anyway, I don't really watch the anime, but Gible evolving would make Ash way too strong, which we can't have of course because he can never win the league. I know that much.

Xilfer January 13th, 2011 9:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tkallab (Post 6396348)
Ummm, I don't think Piplup is a dragon.
Anyway, I don't really watch the anime, but Gible evolving would make Ash way too strong, which we can't have of course because he can never win the league. I know that much.

Lol, point taken, how about a new topic:

What are your opinions on the new character Iris and her pokemon Kibago?

tkallab January 13th, 2011 9:36 AM

My opinion is just neutral. It's kind of cool she has such a strong Pokémon so early on, but then on the other hand, bleh anime...

Xilfer January 13th, 2011 9:41 AM

Ok, another topic that is more suitable for tkallab.

Who is a better Dragon type user?

Lance?
Drake?
Iris?
Shaga?
Clair?

I think we've had this topic before...possibly, but we didn't include Iris or Shaga.

Amore January 13th, 2011 10:24 AM

Well, I still don't include them as I refuse to accept the existence of Gen V until I own it :)

However, I'm not sure how you mean to classify them as "better" but I like Lance and Drake.

Clair is way too cocky (makes a change for a gym leader, at least) and dresses weird. Even Silver realised she was weird, and that's saying something...

Lance is the original, who had 3 Dragonite at one point, and I love every single one of his team members in both LeafGreen and HeartGold (first round).

Drake has the nostalgia factor for me - Although I was underlevelled, I always swept through the Elite Four in Emerald, only to be stopped by a combination of PP loss (thanks Phoebe) and his dragons being too strong, and me being stumped by the ones that weren't weak to Rock. He has some pretty good pokémon too, particularly when he has a Kingdra.

So, Drake and Lance are No.1, nobody shall ever overcome them, and I don't like Clair, although she'll probably outrank the Gen V ones (I have a feeling these games will be fun, but not favourites in any way)

Xilfer January 13th, 2011 11:36 AM

Ok, i think Iris is dumb, she's a hair girl, even more of a hair girl than Marge simpson or Dawn's mom...
her Kibago...well, i don't have much likeness for Kibago, i totally prefer it's evolutions, that thing better evolve FAST!
All in all she SUCKS!
as for wich is best, i like Lance and Drake too, Clair isn't bad either, but as Amore mentioned she's weird.

Tony Montana January 13th, 2011 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xilfer123 (Post 6396374)
Who is a better Dragon type user?

Lance?
Drake?
Iris?
Shaga?
Clair?

For me Lance is the best, with Drake coming close in 2nd place

Silhouette January 14th, 2011 1:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amore (Post 6396437)
Well, I still don't include them as I refuse to accept the existence of Gen V until I own it :)


Ditto. Not to be confused with the Pokemon, Ditto.

I like Lance and Clair the best as dragon users. I wouldn't mind Drake if he had a back story or something, but. . .

Only one thing I can't stand about Lance -- he cheats so badly in GS and HGSS. >:(

Amore January 14th, 2011 1:30 PM

Oh c'mon, he cheats in R/B too, as he has Barrier...but I think that's the only time his cheating is wrong.

I mean, what good is a champion who has 1/2 of his team members as NFEs? And it feels much more epic taking on 3 Dragonite than it does taking on 3 Dragonair...

But I get your point. I just think Nintendo's artistic/game enhancing license makes it acceptable :)

Silhouette January 14th, 2011 2:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amore (Post 6398623)
Oh c'mon, he cheats in R/B too, as he has Barrier...

That's not as bad as having a level 40 Dragonite (Rocket Hideout). But in Blue Version, he did use a Full Restore or something like that after I attacked (item priority is higher than any attack o_O).

In short, Lance used AR.

Amore January 14th, 2011 2:32 PM

Oh, I forgot about that...but still, would it look as cool if his Dragonair was following him? Admittedly it wouldn't be too bad if he had Aerodactyl (at least he could still fly that way), but c'mon, Dragonite and Lance go together better than me and pasta bake (And trust me, we got together well. I can eat a 50cm by 30cm by 10cm tray of that stuff).

Hijax January 14th, 2011 7:46 PM

can i join?

Favorite Dragons? Rayquaza, garados, latios, charizard, flygon, salamance, tyranitar, and most of all, dragonair
Should Garchomp and/or Salamence be Uber? Yes.....
Lance or Clair? Lance, of course
Which Dragon looks best Shiny? either Rayquaza or Charizard
Giratina: 'Origin' Form or 'Another' Form? Origin all the way
Whats your Dragon Team? Tyranitar, salamance, kingdra, charizard, flygon, and dragonair
Should Tyranitar be a Dragon? Yes!
What is your favorite legendary Dragon? Latios

zapdos926 January 14th, 2011 9:54 PM

gah! it still isnt =sending me notifacation!

i think this is the topic, so Drake.

Amore January 15th, 2011 4:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hijax (Post 6399256)
can i join?

Favorite Dragons? Rayquaza, garados, latios, charizard, flygon, salamance, tyranitar, and most of all, dragonair
Should Garchomp and/or Salamence be Uber? Yes.....
Lance or Clair? Lance, of course
Which Dragon looks best Shiny? either Rayquaza or Charizard
Giratina: 'Origin' Form or 'Another' Form? Origin all the way
Whats your Dragon Team? Tyranitar, salamance, kingdra, charizard, flygon, and dragonair
Should Tyranitar be a Dragon? Yes!
What is your favorite legendary Dragon? Latios

Of course you can join - well, other owners have 24 hours to come up with a decent excuse to block you, but that's unlikely :P

Xilfer January 15th, 2011 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hijax (Post 6399256)
can i join?

Favorite Dragons? Rayquaza, garados, latios, charizard, flygon, salamance, tyranitar, and most of all, dragonair
Should Garchomp and/or Salamence be Uber? Yes.....
Lance or Clair? Lance, of course
Which Dragon looks best Shiny? either Rayquaza or Charizard
Giratina: 'Origin' Form or 'Another' Form? Origin all the way
Whats your Dragon Team? Tyranitar, salamance, kingdra, charizard, flygon, and dragonair
Should Tyranitar be a Dragon? Yes!
What is your favorite legendary Dragon? Latios


Welcome, hope you enjoy your stay here. :)
Hey, what's with bullying Lance, he's great, i kinda look up to him in G/S/C/HG/SS/CC
CC Stands for ClearCrystal, if they ever make such a game i will pay 3000 dollars to the one who bet they are. Hehe, you owe me 3000 bucks. :P
So anyways, i think we need a new topic this place will DIE of boredom if we don't:
Altaria, state your opinion, what's acctually Draconic about this Dreambird?
I think it's only a Dragon type because you need one early on, so Swablu to Altaria is pretty much perfect for a Dragon type in early game.

Amore January 15th, 2011 10:55 AM

Except it's not early-game is it?

The earliest I've ever got one is literally the last battle before Fortree City (where Winona has an underlevelled Altaria in her Gym Battle) in Emerald. And that was overlevelled, at lv.35. It was ridiculous. Swablu are hard to train due to their mediocre stats and movepool, so they're not easy, not available early-on realistically either. Even in Platinum, you get them late-game. I think the fact that it breathes Fire makes it draconic...

But overall, it's not really a dragon. Then again, neither are Dialga, Palkia etc. but unlike Altaria, what are they? Dinosaurs, which're closest things we've got to Dragons. Altaria on the other hand is a bird.


But...who was slating Lance? I wasn't, and I didn't spot anybody else laying into him badly.

Xilfer January 15th, 2011 11:09 AM

What? Swablu is available pretty early on to me, if i play a pokemon R/S/E I always get to ATLEAST that part, and that's saying something.
You were all talking about Lance being a cheater...Lance using a full restore is as much cheating as a Cool Trainer using full restore. :/
But i think the topic i made is kinda crappy, let's do another one:
Get 6 of the worst to use fully evolved Dragon Pokemon and stick them in order, worst to best.

Silhouette January 15th, 2011 6:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xilfer123 (Post 6400544)
Welcome, hope you enjoy your stay here. :)
Hey, what's with bullying Lance, he's great, i kinda look up to him in G/S/C/HG/SS/CC
CC Stands for ClearCrystal, if they ever make such a game i will pay 3000 dollars to the one who bet they are. Hehe, you owe me 3000 bucks. :P
So anyways, i think we need a new topic this place will DIE of boredom if we don't:
Altaria, state your opinion, what's acctually Draconic about this Dreambird?
I think it's only a Dragon type because you need one early on, so Swablu to Altaria is pretty much perfect for a Dragon type in early game.

We never really have seen what's underneath those cloudy... wing things of Altaria's. It could be just be fur over top of something Aerodactyl-like.

Just a thought. :P

tkallab January 16th, 2011 2:03 AM

Don't forget Aerodactyl is a Rock Pokémon. That'd mean that Altaria's skin is mado of rock. :D

Amore January 16th, 2011 11:10 AM

Yeah. But if they ever show an Altaria without its cotton-like wings (in official artwork, or the anime/manga. Not some un-official thing), we have to review its dragon-likeness and see whether or not to bring it back into the den. Provided it wants to come, of course. I don't think they're proud like Prinplup...

tkallab January 16th, 2011 11:18 AM

Of course, that's with a capital IF. XD

It's part of his body, not just some substance. It's his fur, so unless Pokémon is gonna get a whole lot more violent we're not gonna see it.

Hijax January 16th, 2011 3:45 PM

In my opinion, if drake and lance, two of the greatest dragon tamers in the game,(well no dip, other than that its Clair and dragon tamer trainers) it should be considered a real dragon. Gyarados and Aerodactyl are dragons by our standards, yet they aren't technically dragonn.

tkallab January 16th, 2011 10:37 PM

No, they technically just aren't the Dragon type. We're fans of Dragon Pokémon, not just Pokémon with the Dragon type.
But yeah, that's one of our rules, if Lance uses a Pokémon on more than one occasion in all of the games, that Pokémon is automatically a Dragon.

Anyway, I still haven't answered the topic. I still think Lance is the best, because I know him the best. Maybe if Iris and Shaga become more recurring characters in a third game, I might like o e of them better.

Amore January 17th, 2011 2:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tkallab (Post 6403284)
No, they technically just aren't the Dragon type. We're fans of Dragon Pokémon, not just Pokémon with the Dragon type.
But yeah, that's one of our rules, if Lance uses a Pokémon on more than one occasion in all of the games, that Pokémon is automatically a Dragon.

Yeah. Read "The Lance/Wataru Clause" on my OP. (biggest post below Silhouette's on the first page).

Basically, it's a disclaimer that says if there is another mainstream RPG featuring Lance, and he uses Altaria, that'll be two instances, so it'll be in the Den.

However...Drake's used it in two separate games (Ruby and Sapphire, but also in Emerald). So that's 3 dragon users using it...and Drake's pokémon are all dragon-type yet. Do we need a "Dragon Trainer Clause" instead of just Lance? I mean, Lance is the only one who really deviates from his typing...

dragoniteuser January 18th, 2011 10:43 AM

Well that's because Lance is purely awesome...
Just check my sig and you'll know why.
But why are we debating on Altaria again? I thought we agreed it's a bird cause well... it is!

Sgt_Grovyle January 18th, 2011 11:46 AM

hey can i join in?
favorite dragons: charizard, dratini, dragonair, dragonite, tyranitar, salamence, latias, latios, rayquaza, and dialga

should garchomp and/or salamence be uber?: yes unfortunately. i miss using salamence in OU

lance or clair?: apparently clair still has a lot to learn compared to lance so i pick lance

which dragon looks better shiny?: flygon

giratina: orgin form

my dragon team: salamence, dragonair, kingdra, tyranitar, charizard, dragonite

should tyranitar be a dragon: always thought of 'em as some kind of dino, but i guess he can be classified as a dragon

favorite legendary dragon: dialga

tkallab January 18th, 2011 11:47 AM

I think it was just an example.

But I think the clause is not really a good idea, I mean, there is always someone somewhere who doesn't agree and wants reconsideration (it's probably gonna be me). It's of course a heavy-weighing factor, just like a Pokémon being a Dragon type, but I don't think it's good to be able to veto something (except legends. Legends rock.)

Anyway... New topic anyone?
What are your opinions on the fact that many legendaries are Dragon-types?

Edit: Ninja'd by a new person. Sure, you're in, I think Amore'll add you to the list. (So confusing these days.)

Amore January 18th, 2011 1:06 PM

Sorry...I added the other guy...as long as one of us gets one of them, between the two of us we'll have all of them! :P

And if it gets to page 60, I'm stopping adding them permanently xD

Topic

Well, some of the legendaries deserve to be dragon, for example Rayquaza and [email protected] - after all, what else could they be?

However, the Gen IV and beyond dragons are debatable. I mean, Palkia at least has wings, as does Giratina, but Giratina's really ghostly...I guess it's what a ghost dragon looks like? Dialga and Palkia are dinosaurs, and most people link dinosaurs with dragons...but it doesn't really make sense. I'd still vote them into the club though :)

Reshiram and Zekrom? Ugh...just no. At least the other one looks slightly more dragon-esque (but no way near as cool).

Silhouette January 18th, 2011 1:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tkallab (Post 6401816)
Don't forget Aerodactyl is a Rock Pokémon. That'd mean that Altaria's skin is mado of rock. :D

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silhouette (Post 6401135)
It could be just be fur over top of something Aerodactyl-like.

;)
Quote:

Originally Posted by tkallab (Post 6405778)
What are your opinions on the fact that many legendaries are Dragon-types?


I'm guessing that it's because real dragons are extremely rare (THERE OUT THERE, DANGIT XD), so it would make sense for most dragons to be legendary. Or rather, a lot of dragons to be legendary.

Tony Montana January 18th, 2011 6:16 PM

What are your opinions on the fact that many legendaries are Dragon-types?

For me it's okay if they resemble a Dragon or have something to do with dragons (Which was up to Gen III).

Xilfer January 20th, 2011 8:24 AM

Faulty Internet incase ya wanna know.

Ok, just out of curioustiy, why is Lance so awsome to you people? you do know that he's not compeletly devoted to his typing with the Gyrados and such, even though we have that rule, they technically aren't dragon TYPED wich is what Lance is supposed to be about...
I like Lance, but i wouldn't agree on the words "Purely Awsome" to best describe him...

As for the topic: I dunno... perhaps it's because Dragons are Mythical in real life and legendary pokemon are mythical in pokemon....just a thought.

tkallab January 20th, 2011 8:51 AM

I don't think awesome flows through his veins either, but he's the best and coolest Dragon trainer out there for sure.

Short reply, gotts go. :D

dragoniteuser January 20th, 2011 9:26 AM

You know... just to show you why Lance is so awesome...


BTW those Lance facts in my sig are true you know...

Amore January 20th, 2011 9:33 AM

Sadly, they're only true in the Pokémon Adventures universe.

But yeah, he's just the coolest out of the (shockingly bad) selection of Dragon-type trainers we have...Dragon Tamers aren't that good, Clair's horrid and the Gen V ones look even worse. At least Drake's O.k, but the others I can't sadly say the same about.

dragoniteuser January 20th, 2011 10:12 AM

I agree all the Dragon masters are really sorry excuse for one.
In fact if my character would ever be in a game, I'd want it to be a dragon user, just to show everyone how oe is really supposed to be like!

Xilfer January 20th, 2011 10:12 AM

@Draggy
I'm still not convinced, he's pretty cool with all the Dragon TrainEEs out there, but Purely awsome is just not the right words.
You're just another one of his fan girls XD (I kid i kid)

Sooooo, what now?

Ninja'd:)

Also, i have nothing against Lance but.....

Gifted with powers of the viridian forest: It's just a forest.....
Telepathically communicates with pokemon: Anyone can do that provided the right understanding of the world...
Heals their wounds: Pokemon Center
Controls Dragons: Gains their trust more like, control is SO the wrong word, maybe he's pattionate about dragons and so they like him.

dragoniteuser January 20th, 2011 10:21 AM

Hm... quite possible, so I'm gonna back out of this disscussion, and keep admiring Lance! :D

New topic for us all:
which pseudo dragon is the best in your opinion?
Kanto: Dragonite
Johto: Tyranitar (yes I ecknowledge it as a dragon..., you can thank Thomas to that)
Hoenn: Salamence
Sinnoh: Garchomp
Unova: Sazandora

It's funny how each gen has it's own, huh?

Xilfer January 20th, 2011 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dragoniteuser (Post 6408842)
Hm... quite possible, so I'm gonna back out of this disscussion, and keep admiring Lance! :D

New topic for us all:
which pseudo dragon is the best in your opinion?
Kanto: Dragonite
Johto: Tyranitar (yes I ecknowledge it as a dragon..., you can thank Thomas to that)
Hoenn: Salamence
Sinnoh: Garchomp
Unova: Sazandora

It's funny how each gen has it's own, huh?

Yeah, every single one...
Anyway, i'd agree with you on all your choices because there aren't many...
Speaking of Steino, he said he's got homework so he may not be on for awile or possibly the rest of the day...

Shadow236 January 20th, 2011 11:15 AM

I'd have to go with Salamence:)

tkallab January 20th, 2011 11:32 AM

Relax, Xilfer, I was at the restaurant. The hard work was finishe yesterday (poorly done, I must add).

I'll put my pseudo's in a list from best to worst.

Garchomp - Awesomely fast and frikkin powerful, as well as a sleek design
Dragonite - The original, he's strong and cute at the same time
Salamence - Not asinteresting as Dragonite or Garchomp, but still pretty cool
Sazandora - Three heads? No thanks. Pretty cool otherwise
Tyranitar - Draggy and I managed to convince each other of our opinions. Not a dragon to me

Amore January 20th, 2011 1:33 PM

Umm...this may seem a bit random but...I'm quitting the Dragon's Den. For real, this time.

As in, I'm not a co-owner, not a member, and most importantly of all, not coming back. My interests are straying away from pokémon a bit...I'll stay on PC (in the non-pokémon-related chat sections), and I'll play Black when it comes out, but I'm not really going to post in any pokémon discussions.

So, I guess that leaves you, tkallab as the sole co-owner of the club! Copy stuff out of my OP if you want...I won't delete it.

I'll just leave you guys with a picture of my most recent favourite dragon:

http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/f/f1/330Flygon.png

Goodbye, and I'll hopefully see you elsewhere on the site!

dragoniteuser January 20th, 2011 1:41 PM

Well these are sad news, but I can't say I didn't see this coming...
We'll miss you Amore... :(

tkallab January 20th, 2011 1:44 PM

Sorry to hear that, Amore. Be sure to visit the offtopic section, I'm there sometimes.

Can you do one thing for me though? Can you link your post to mine? It could be confusing if you left everything there. Just write a quick explanation and put the link there, and make it big and obvious. Thanks, and (I hope not) goodbye.

I'll have to reshape my post sometime, then. If you ever change your mind, we'll let you in with open arms!

Amore January 20th, 2011 1:59 PM

Yeah...well if I change my mind, I'll be very Gen V-sympathetic.

And sure, I'll link your post. It's the least I can do. If you want the records of votes or things, just copy them out of mine.

Oh, tell me when you're done and I'll delete my spoiler if it's not needed, so my link's even more obvious.

tkallab January 20th, 2011 2:16 PM

I'll make my post co-owner-worthy tomorrow, when I'm not on my iPod in bed. Thank you, Amore. :)

Amore January 20th, 2011 2:24 PM

No problem. Lucky you having an iPod :)

This shall be my last post on here, so, as I mentioned before...just vm/pm me if you want to talk guys.

Silhouette January 20th, 2011 3:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amore (Post 6409105)
Umm...this may seem a bit random but...I'm quitting the Dragon's Den. For real, this time.

Goodbye, and I'll hopefully see you elsewhere on the site!

Peace out. :P


As for the topic, I'm not exactly sure what you mean... The best pseudo-legendary for each region? 'Cuz there's not much choice there. But here's my list of my favorite pseudos.

4. Dragonite- Just 'cuz it's last on the list doesn't mean I don't like it at all. I freaking love it. It's just not as awesome as my next favorites... :O

3. Salamence - It's gotten me through some tough spots, for sure. I love its diversity when it comes to competitive play.

2. Garchomp - It's gotten me out of even tougher spots. o_o One instant comes to mind.

1. Metagross Tyranitar - BECAUSE IT'S A FREAKING DRAGON. XD And Tyranitar is really useful.

Hmm... what is this Unova region of which you speak?

EDIT:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shadow236 (Post 6408930)
I'd have to go with Salamence:)

Wohoho, wait. Did I just not see you posting, or did you return?

Shadow236 January 20th, 2011 6:13 PM

That's right Silhouette. I'm back on PC. I wanted to appologize for the last Dragon's Den and I also wanted to tell you what happened. Last May my Dad passed away. PC and the Dragon's Den just weren't a concern. You must understand. Now that Black and White are coming out soon I'd really like to be part of the Dragon's Den again. Even if it's just a normal member. I see that one of your Co-Owners just left though, I have some experience in the Den... ;)

tkallab January 20th, 2011 10:45 PM

Oh, you must be one persons Amore told me not to accept while I was keeping the members' list for him. I'm kind of wondering what Silhouette's reply is gonna be here...


On the topic of Pseudo-Legendaries;
Spoiler:

Generation V
Spoiler:

I was actually expecting Ononokusu to be Isshu's pseudo-legendary. Turns out it's Sazandora. We sure have a lot of Dragons in Isshu!
But if Ononokusu was a pseudo-legendary instead of Sazandora, I think he would bear Salamence in my top 5.

Generation V

Shadow236 January 21st, 2011 7:23 AM

is Amore anyone I used to know? And I told you what happened. But whatever.

tkallab January 21st, 2011 7:55 AM

Oh, nevermind. I finally found that post Amore wrote months ago... Just ignore that first part, I was jumping to conclusions.
But I don't know you and Silhouette seems to do, so I'll leave it up to them.

Maj. Cor January 21st, 2011 8:08 AM

Can I join? Or do I have to go through some type of initiation process?

dragoniteuser January 21st, 2011 11:27 AM

@Maj. Cor

OK, here's what you do:
First you have to run through your school buck naked.
Than you have to draw warior signs on your face and scream from the top of your lungs in a middle of a mall.
Next the final challenge: kiss the rear end of a male statue with a sign on your back that says ˝just married˝!

If none of that gets you to the club, I'm afraid you're gonna have to pay off Shilluette and tkallab...

@tkallab
Sure, both could be considered as pseudos, but only one can, and Sazandora seemd to be a better choice...

@current topic
Dragonite is my favourite, pretty unexpected, huh?
Then comes Salamence, T-tar, and Sanzadora , just cause I've never used it, so I can't really judge it...

Xilfer January 21st, 2011 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amore (Post 6409105)
Umm...this may seem a bit random but...I'm quitting the Dragon's Den. For real, this time.

As in, I'm not a co-owner, not a member, and most importantly of all, not coming backg. My interests are straying away from pokémon a bit...I'll stay on PC (in the non-pokémon-related chat sections), and I'll play Black when it comes out, but I'm not really going to post in any pokémon discussions.

So, I guess that leaves you, tkallab as the sole co-owner of the club! Copy stuff out of my OP if you want...I won't delete it.

I'll just leave you guys with a picture of my most recent favourite dragon:

http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/f/f1/330Flygon.png

Goodbye, and I'll hopefully see you elsewhere on the site!


NOOOOOOO! YOU'RE LEAVING! (CRIES....NO I'M SERIOUS I'M CRYING)
I can't believe it! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! I'LL MISSSSS YOUUUUUU! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silhouette (Post 6409376)
Peace out. :P


As for the topic, I'm not exactly sure what you mean... The best pseudo-legendary for each region? 'Cuz there's not much choice there. But here's my list of my favorite pseudos.

4. Dragonite- Just 'cuz it's last on the list doesn't mean I don't like it at all. I freaking love it. It's just not as awesome as my next favorites... :O

3. Salamence - It's gotten me through some tough spots, for sure. I love its diversity when it comes to competitive play.

2. Garchomp - It's gotten me out of even tougher spots. o_o One instant comes to mind.

1. Metagross Tyranitar - BECAUSE IT'S A FREAKING DRAGON. XD And Tyranitar is really useful.

Hmm... what is this Unova region of which you speak?

EDIT:



Wohoho, wait. Did I just not see you posting, or did you return?

Dude, How heartless can you get? Amore's out and all you can say is "Peace out :P"? Hrm.
As for the topic..... I think we should pay our respects to Amore's leaving, it's a little big of me considering i'm not owner or co-owner but i'd love Draggy to consider this:
Let's have a compettion honoring Amore, everybody should try Drawing Flygon as best they can, and the winner gets some kind of prize, like the draw off at BFC, I know it seems exagerative but....he was a friend and i'll miss talking to him on the DD......
(I mentioned FDlygon so this isn't offtopic)
Signed Adlan Zaidi
To Richard Kidd.....

tkallab January 21st, 2011 11:40 AM

Sure, I'll add you, Maj. Cor.

If there ever was an unwritten rule that there can only be one pseudo-legendary per region, it's been broken long since, as Metagross is one too. Though Ononokusu's stats are probably too low... Maybe Ulgamoth could be a psuedo-legendary?

Also, what happened to Garchomp in your list, draggy?


Ninja'd... Xilfer, I think you're overreacting :D Also, I'm guessing Silhouette and Amore already discussed this. But I kind of like your contest idea, I'll consider it.

tkallab January 21st, 2011 11:56 AM

I'm not sure if I can start contests on my own, I'm waiting for an A-OK from Silhouette. But I'm going to draw a Flygon anyway, and so should you! For Amore!

Xilfer January 21st, 2011 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tkallab (Post 6410501)
I'm not sure if I can start contests on my own, I'm waiting for an A-OK from Silhouette. But I'm going to draw a Flygon anyway, and so should you! For Amore!


Yeah! For Amore!
Basically that's all i was gonna say on this post....AMORE RULEZ! AND SO DO DRAGONZ AND FLYGON!!!!!!

Silhouette January 21st, 2011 1:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shadow236 (Post 6410190)
is Amore anyone I used to know? And I told you what happened. But whatever.

Quote:

Originally Posted by tkallab (Post 6410221)
Oh, nevermind. I finally found that post Amore wrote months ago... Just ignore that first part, I was jumping to conclusions.
But I don't know you and Silhouette seems to do, so I'll leave it up to them.

Of course Shadow can be a member. In fact, be a little active, and you might have a chance at a special spot. Then again, everyone has a chance.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Maj. Cor (Post 6410239)
Can I join? Or do I have to go through some type of initiation process?

XD It's all good, you can join.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Xilfer123 (Post 6410479)
NOOOOOOO! YOU'RE LEAVING! (CRIES....NO I'M SERIOUS I'M CRYING)
I can't believe it! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! I'LL MISSSSS YOUUUUUU! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA



Dude, How heartless can you get? Amore's out and all you can say is "Peace out :P"? Hrm.
As for the topic..... I think we should pay our respects to Amore's leaving, it's a little big of me considering i'm not owner or co-owner but i'd love Draggy to consider this:
Let's have a compettion honoring Amore, everybody should try Drawing Flygon as best they can, and the winner gets some kind of prize, like the draw off at BFC, I know it seems exagerative but....he was a friend and i'll miss talking to him on the DD......
(I mentioned FDlygon so this isn't offtopic)
Signed Adlan Zaidi
To Richard Kidd.....

O_o Calm down. I've seen many good friends come and go from PC. It's not like Amore is leaving the site itself. Amore clearly stated that he's just leaving PC.
Quote:

Originally Posted by tkallab (Post 6410501)
I'm not sure if I can start contests on my own, I'm waiting for an A-OK from Silhouette. But I'm going to draw a Flygon anyway, and so should you! For Amore!

Sent the reply. :D

tkallab January 21st, 2011 1:19 PM

Okay. so the contest is on!

The Flygon Draw-off!
Amore, our beloved co-owner, has recently left the Dragon's Den. In memory of him, we will have a drawing competition. The Pokémon we will be drawing is Flygon, Amore's favorite Dragon Pokémon. Everyone may enter, and it doesn't matter if you win or lose, because this is a homage to Amore. I will personally make a css-signature for the winner featuring their artwork.

Rules:
1. Each submission must feature only Flygon. You can make as many Flygons as you want in one image, but no other Pokémon.
2. Each participator can only submit one entry.
3. Both hand-drawn and digital images are allowed.
4. There will be no deadline for the contest, but the deadline for signing up will be february 1st, unless you have a very good reason.

If anything is unclear, feel free to ask me about it via vm.

Xilfer January 21st, 2011 1:24 PM

1 Attachment(s)
Great! It's official! NOODLES!, Uh, sorry i smell my mum making noodles :)

I already did my entry! here it is:
For Amore! :D

tkallab January 21st, 2011 1:40 PM

Great entry, Xilfer! And you made it pretty quick too!

I'll start on mine now. I'll organise the entries as soon as there is another one.

Amore January 21st, 2011 1:51 PM

[AGELIMIT]
Spoiler:
Holy ****
[/AGELIMIT]

I didn't think you'd start a contest in my honour...thanks though. Btw, Xilf, you're overreacting. I think Silhouette half expects me to come back again...after all, I've left twice before (admittedly stating they were temporary). But honestly, the only reason I saw all this is because I forgot to unsubscribe from the thread. So, on Sunday I'm unsubscribing, and you can all bow down to tkallab's rein of terror!

Oh, and that is a pretty good Flygon drawing :)

Xilfer January 21st, 2011 2:10 PM

Please stop saying i'm overeacting! you're my friend! one of my ONLY friends! do you know what that means to me?!

I hope tkallab's reighn of terror dosen't include racist activity againt belgians XD!

Anyway, on a dragon note, I've always liked the Vibrava line.

Trapinch: cute
Vibrava: Cuool (combo of cute and cool)
Flygon: Cool!


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