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Sorry I haven't been active in a while, school has come back and are now piling the homework on top of me. </3
Anywho, I'm going to go with the Pseudo Legendary topic: 4. Dragonite. Apart from the derpness, he helped me out against the E4 and destroyed Lance >; 3. Kingdra. It's oh so majestic, and it looks incredibly powerful, AND Water/Dragon is sick! 2. Flygon. YAY FOR RED GOGGLES! <3 1. Salamence baby. Just because he is freakin' awesome. <3 |
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Don't forget he's just leaving the Den and not visiting that often. He's not leaving the entire forum. I hope. I understand you, Xilfer, but you're taking a little hard. I think it's a sign that you're a good person who cares about others.
And Doonerz, that's just like naming your favorite dragons, isn't it? :P |
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So...i think this topic is all about summed up, how's about a new one. Wich Primary stage Dragon in your opinion is the weakest. say i thought it was bagon or something. |
Dratini. It's just a toothless harmless snake, really. It's pretty cute, though.
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Um. May I join? My favorite dragon is Dragonite, I love that line. I perfer Lance over Clair.
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Sure, welcome to the Den! I'll add you to the members list when I figure my first post out and all.
You can reply to one of our topics or enter the drawing competition in honor of our previous co-owner. |
Thank you. ^^ I would if I had a way to scan it.
Anyways, I like Dratini. Its a simple dragon design. I love the ears. |
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For a sure answer, I'd say Dratini. Also, welcome to the den, Angel! |
Thank you Sillhouette. ^^
I've never understood the Dratini line. Dratini is a serpentine dragon, Dragonair is also a serpentine dragon and then here comes Dragonite who is a Wyvern. I've always thought that Dratini should have had a split path evolution. One path still going to Dragonite and the other path going to another serpentine dragon. Flygon is awesome. |
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Oh and if you want to talk about originals I think that Sil and I were on the first page of the original DD. Was Amore in any previous DD's? |
Well, a few things: sorry to hear about your dad shadow and welcome back, good bye Amore, and Xilfer, epic theme (typhlosion is my fav. Non dragon.)
On topic: trapinch, but that isn't a dragon, it just evolves into one, so I say Bagon. I would enter the Flygon contest, but I'm too lazy |
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Actually, all first stage one Dragon's look pretty weak. Only Monozu looks kind of strong, but I may be biased because I made a Monozu eat someone in my comic. |
I hate to say it but, Bagon. I'm reaallly not a fan of his stats, and he just looks like a gorm. </3
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I had no problems accepting Dragonite as an evolution of Dragonair, because I was like, five, and it seemed natural, because they were the only Dragons. Dragonite as a legendary would have been awesome, though.
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Yeah but Legendary Dragonite would have been a pain in the ass to get. i prefer normal Dragonite.
besides, i only became interested in pokemon thanks to an old friend of mine called ben (who should be aproximately.....7 by now), in the begining i didn't understand anything XD As a young pokemon fan (about 10 years old) i looked at all the other people who were so facinated by...Pikachu, yet i didn't give a hoot about Pikachu, and started researching emulators, after i got my first VBA and pokemon yellow game, i started playing up to violet town.....where it was too scary to go on.... eventually i found out about much newer pokemon games, and i started playing those.... Then i compeleted Sapphire, never completed leafgreen, and went on... Still unfacinated by Pikachu i dove deaper into the pokemon world, and i found all sorts of wonrous creatures including: Raichu Metagross the Dratini line Ledian Electivire Magmortar, you get it. And so i became sort of an 11 year old expert on pokemon, after a long while of playing pokemon games i got bored, and started playing hacks. then, i found the pokecommunity, i was like, if i'm gonna make new friends (wich i was desperate to do at the time) i should join this place and various other sites, but those (various other sites) never got ahold of me, as.... just a few days after i turned twelve...i clicked the register button....and here i am... Draggy got me to see the bright side of Lance and Dragonite and such while tkallab, being from the neighbouring country to my own homeland, became my "best friend" and Amore taught me all the basics of pokecommunity including respects for his various themes: Plusle Minun Bulbasaur Squirtle Charmander Blaziken (wich i already had respect for) Sceptile Feraligatr and so on XD. Well, that's about it.... and all this was because of my little friend Benjamin, who was only 4. Walla.....(dust swirls) |
Ummm, that was exactly one sentence about Dragons ^^ And
IF YOU'RE NOT A POKÉMON FAN FROM THE BEGINNING YOU'RE NOTHING You make it all sound like some higher purpose or something. XD But try to stay a little on the topic of Dragons, okay? ;) I'm a co-owner now. I think it would have worked to make Dragonite the final legendary, and make Mewtwo part of the plot. That would have been so awesome. |
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You all still accepting members? If so, can I still join?
Favorite Dragons: Dragonite, Flygon, Salamence, Charizard, Tyranitar, Latios, Latias Should Garchomp and/or Salamence be Uber: Yes Lance or Clair: Lance Which Dragon looks best Shiny: Latios Giratina: 'Origin' Form or 'Another' Form: Orgin Whats your Dragon Team: Flygon, Dragonite, Salamence, Latios, Latias, Dialga Should Tyranitar be a Dragon: Yes What is your favorite legendary Dragon: Rayquaza's the ultimate |
I believe so. I was just accepted last night. Welcome to the Den sweetie. :3
Sweet. Another Lance fan. |
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Oh, topic (Seeing as I'm here until tomorrow xD): Dratini. Because it sucks badly on my games. Extremespeed one is another matter, but it's received after beating a high-levelled Kingdra, so doesn't count as it's underlevelled. |
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And now that I think about it, you guys are right. Dragonair looks nothing like Dragonite. :O |
First of, couple of corrections:
Dragonite is not a wyvern, but a western dragon... Just ask other den members and they'll tell you that dragons are my soft spot and that I'm very demanding when it comes to punctuality regarding dragons... :) Dratini is not that weak, I've played through entire FR using one dratini that had Modest nature. Sp. attk dratini can do wonders! As for the current topic, i'd say that Horsea (if not then dragon typed Bagon) is the weakest... Also, the evo line doesn't have to be completly logical, cause a lot in Pokemon isn't logical... EDIT Oh, I almost forgot, here's my imput to the Flygon drawing contest: Spoiler:
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I'm actually kind of an artist... but if I draw flygon I'm gonna go all out and it might take a while, should I do it?
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Well, even if its not a Wyvern my point still stands true. Another type of dragon can't evolve into a different type of dragon. |
Sure, there's no deadline! As long as you say you're joining the competition before february, you have all the time in the world.
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Jast sayin'. :) |
The bottom point remains, pokemon are not always logical...
Why would Execute evolve to Exeggutor, or Kabuto to Kabutops, or Flaafy to Ampharos..., there's a lot of examples where evolutions don't make much sence. |
I know that. I've never thought Pokemon was logical, just look at the fact that parents let ten year-olds go off into the world alone. We aren't allowed to do that until eighteen, though there are cases where sixteen year-olds are out on their own. Anyways, I was just saying that there should be a split for the Dratini family.
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Well, I guess i could see Dragonair evolve into something ike this:
http://pictures.linkmesh.com/dragons/images/celestial_dragon.jpg |
Been busy for your information.
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Besides, i was always interested in Dragons even before i was interested in pokemon, so when i saw there was a Dragon type i was like "....GOTTA CATCH'EM ALL!" XD. And yes, i'll try to stay on topic thank you Steino. P.S. Incase you're wondering i'm never gonna stop uysing that quote against you XD Quote:
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Anyway, i already answered the topic so there's nothing Dragon-based for me to say..... New Topic then: Compare Each Dragon pokemon you can think of (including deemed ones such as Gyrados) with real life Dragons. For example, say i thought Dragonite is a Wyvern. Ninja'd, i didn't know you were still online, i didn't bother to check your online status. |
I would like to become a member
Favorite Dragons? Chompers Flygon and im going to get Ononokusu when B/W comes out Should Garchomp and/or Salamence be Uber? No but when B/W comes out they will be OU Lance or Clair? Lance Which Dragon looks best Shiny? Flygon Giratina: 'Origin' Form or 'Another' Form? Origin Whats your Dragon Team? My Dream Dragon Team - Garchomp Flygon Ononokusu Salamence Altaria (which will lead me to my next thing) Dragonite (with its multi scale ability it will be able to support 1 STAB Ice Beam) Should Tyranitar be a Dragon? No What is your favorite legendary Dragon? Latios Also Why isnt Altaria(Best Support Dragon) considered a dragon?? Its more dragon than T-tar and charizard as far as aerodactyl it dosent look like a dragon nor is it......If your listing pokes that can learn dragon moves up there that arent dragons then you should list Sceptile up there he learns dragon moves as well as rhyhorn and many others |
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Welcome to the den! ;) About your question, all this was debated several months ago, and the Pokemon you see in the list are Dragon pokemon to us. We're not getting into the same arguement again, if you want to know why, search through the pages. @Xil's topic As i've stated before, Dragonite isn't a Wywern, but Aerodactyl is. Gyarados would be some kind of sea dragon, not necesarily a Celestial dragon... Dragonite, Charizard, Flygon, and Salamence are your everyday Western dragons. Dratini, dragonair, Rayquaza are Ceestial dragons. Palkia and Dialga just aren't dragons! PS: I've noticed you haven't removed Vibrava from the list, and we've voted it out, CAUSE IT'S A FREAKIN' BUG!!! (not that i don't like Vibrava... ;)) |
Hey may i join this Club i am a Dragon type user myself if it looks like one and it fights like one it will be in my team i was in the dragons den along time ago but i left and then felt like rejoining but forgot my name and password for my old account so had to make a new one
Details about me: My favorite dragon pokemon is Kingdra it has kicked so many pokemon aside from me on wifi battles and still does my least favorite is aerodactyl its hard for me to train and i'm not very good with it hopefully in black and white i will have luck with the new dragon types andways thats most of my description except my team which i am deciding on when black and white comes out right now its Kingdra,charizard,Salamence,Flygon,Dragonite i'm going to add one final dragon when black and white comes out |
Ummmm, I was going to edit my first post, but I'm not on my own computer, where I have all my data and stuff... And there's a virus on it, so I need to get rid of that first before I can make the first post good.
In the meantime, I'll add the new members. Treecko and Jericho, you're accepted, of course. Also, I'm willing to get back into older arguments if anyone feels the need to. But you won't beat draggy or me, especially when we're on the same side! :) |
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Let's see.... Gyrados: Sea Dragon/Sea Serpent tkallab: Steino XD Dragonite: Western Dragon Aerodoctyle: Western Dragon/Wyvern/Part Dragon Part Dino? XD Salamence: Western Dragon |
I'm mind of interested in what you guys think about Kingdra. I'd love to give my opinion, but...
I have no idea. :/ Is it a dragon? Is it a seahorse? A combination of those two? |
I think Kingdra is an interesting specimin indeed
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I'd say a combination, it's obviously a sea horse and it has a few Dragon traits.....sorta......actually it's a sea horse, not a dragon, the only thing Draconic could be it's eyes, i LOVE this pokemon, one of my complete FAVS! and i love the fact that it's dragon typed too but...i'm afraid it's a seahorse.... |
Ever hear about this aquatic animal:
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? It's a seahorse specie called Sea dragon. weird huh? Why it's called this way, i do not know, but I'd say Kingdrais based of it. Wether how a real sea dragon would look like i can't say for certain. i do have some speculations, but, no I don't think kingdra looks like something a sea dragon would look like... |
Interesting empty spoiler draggy... ;) But I believe you anyways.
I guess his eyes do kind of look like dragons' eyes. Maybe the horns too... But that's it, no other references to any kind of Dragon. Yet, for some reason, I feel like this is a Dragon... Kinda weird, I can't put my finger on it... :/ |
I thought the picture url was OK...
It showed to me. Here's it again anyways: http://wtfhub.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/freaky-animals-sea-dragon.jpg |
It's not showing up, even when I try to quote you... But I just googled it. I'm pretty sure I've seen that thing before. I kind of like the way they made Kingdra out of that thing. Not sure why though :/
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Hm, that picture may have shown up somewhere before, i find it familiar too.....hmm....probably a past discussion. |
Maybe I can't see it because I live in Holland or something? A link did show up when I got the e-mail notification when draggy posted here, but when I clicked it the page wouldn't load.
Maybe Kingdra is a unique kind of Dragon, just like Reshiram is to me. I can't quite place my finger on how Reshiram is a Dragon either, but I just feel like he is, just like with Kingdra... |
Yawn. how about a topic around this discussion:
Kingdra, King of seahorses or dragons? The classic argument, this time we focus around Kingdra, give your opinions, thoughts, is this ellegant sea creature dubbed Dragon? or is it just a very powerfull seahorse? or both? |
To me no it dosent seem to look nor have any characteristics of a dragon its more of an ancient seahorse to me
I have one my self and in battle its great and only dragon being its wakness its.... but still |
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This picture looks a bit more like Kingdra, I think. I'd say there's a possibility it's based off this :)
http://gleneaglesbio2010.wikispaces.com/file/view/weedy_seadragon.jpg/116266841/weedy_seadragon.jpg |
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But, yes that is a possibility as Pokemon has many unexplained phenomenons....yes. P.S. Acting all sciency i know XD |
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Hm, you strike a very good point angel, i, also, have always reffered to it's nose as seahorsey, and yes, you're totally right, but! regardless of the fct that it's a sea dragon by NAME only, therefore, i doubt it's existance as a dragon, as much as i hate to say it....it is not a dragon.
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Well we also have to put its name into this too. Kingdra. It means the King of Dragons.
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True, Kingdra, Kingdragon, however, the name has nothing to do with it, that's just nintendo acting all googley again.
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I don't think so. They wouldn't call something the King of Dragons without it being a dragon. Like they wouldn't name a cat the King of Bugs. It doesn't happen. There has to be a reason that they named Kingdra the King of Dragons.
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I doubt your theory, if nintendo made it a dragon they would call it that but since it's not really a dragon to us, it's name is part of the factor that nintendo mistakenly gave Kingdra, it's only part of the dispute that i'm tryng to get rid of, sorta, i haven't fully decided on my opinions yet, but as of now i vote kingdra out....
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That's where we disagree. I believe that Kingdra is a mix between Sea Horse and Dragon. It has similarities to both. And I don't believe that Nintendo would do something like misname a Pokemon.
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English names of pokemon are always word gamings that has a resemblance to it, or it reflects the name of an object or animal it is based of.
I think that Kingdra IS a POKEMON sea dragon, and that sea dragon doesn't necesarily HAVE to look like Gyarados. @Doonerz Dragonite's name is sacred so DO SAY IT!!! @RHCP That's the same specie just a different photo... O.o |
Hm, i don't buy it. yes it could be a cross im still deciding on that...
Either way i beleive that the name has nothing to do with this. |
The Leafy Sea Dragon (Pictured above) is what I believe Kingdra is based off of and it is in fact a dragon. The Leafy Sea Dragon is a dragon. However it is closely related to Sea Horses. Which may be why Kingdra resembles a Sea Horse in some ways. Howerever Leafy Sea Dragons have larger bodies then Sea Horses.
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-And I think I will enter the Flygon contest then =) |
No matter how much I think it should be a dragon, Altaria is more bird then dragon.
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thanks to angel, i think i'll give Kingdra a yes. after all, i still like it no matter what happens, it's one of my favorite pokemon :) |
Dragon or not; Altaria
We voted Altaria not a Dragon a long time ago. But when new people arrive, the opinion of the majority may change. If there are enough people requesting it, we can have a revote. By the way, we're not voting for Kingdra at the moment, just discussing. I'm still doubting, I think I won't be able to sleep until I find out what is exactly so dragonny about Kingdra to me. |
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Sea Dragons are not actually dragons. They're fish! They're a seahorse specie, but the name alone isn't enough to say they're dragons! In fact seadragons... the FISH... have nothing related to dragons. The name "dragon" is due to they're rarety, size, appereance that is unique, but it doesn't mean it's reallly a dragon. Komodo dragon is a lizard, a monitor lizard actually, and the name "dragon" is strictly cause of they're size. That doesn't mean they're really dragons. And so what if they're bigger, if a tuna is bigger then a sardine, does it mean it's not a fish, but a shark or a whale?! |
Good point, but i disagree still, angel's influence about the dragon is too much TOO MUCH! XD
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Hey team i'm back of course i've been playing pokemon black on rom
and i have been having great fun with it i can tell you a good bit about the two third form dragons Spoiler:
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thats all i have to report if you guys want me to redirect you to where i downloaded the rom and how i got it to work i will show you the game is brilliant even on a laptop DS will be a huge breakthrough for pokemon i will be posting alot more reports on the dragon team also i count snivy final form to be dragon because it is serpent like so i will report more on my black gameplay because its adicting :D |
>Implying we can't look this up on Serebii
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Yeah, they're pretty good too bad they take so long to evolve...
But you've got that problem with all dragons. :/ |
its a bit Farfetched having it evolve at level 64 anything between
50 to 60 is good for second stage anything between 30 and 40 is good far to high lv 50 to 64 is high but i suppose its good consider you can catch it at a high level i hope the real version is even better :D |
Steino, don't change the subject XD
JERIICHO please, we are in the middle of a argument, if you want to talk about this stuff just VM the Steino. Anyway, i think Sil should open up the votes now, doncha say Sil? |
I don't think we should vote. Most people probably agree that Kingdra is a Dragon at least in some way, and unless some people explicitly ask for a voting, it's not necessary.
Also, our subject is Dragons, right? Not just Kingdra ;) |
And who knows more about dragons here, than me? ;)
But sereously, are we debatinag about dragons, and if we are, what excatly? |
Well, debating... We're just talking about Kingdra, and the Generation V Dragons a little too, I guess.
I think that what reduces Kingdra's Dragon-ness the most is its nose/mouth/snout(?). |
Not to mention the rest of it's body which is clearly seahorse!
Also, I don't think we should disscuss gen V. in spoilers, since Amore requested it, and he isn't around anymore. Pllus it's annoying... O.o |
Let's see if there's anyone who would prefer there to be spoilers first. If there's one person requesting it, that's enough reason.
Yes, let's not forget the seahorse body. But I think Kingdra would look a lot more like a dragon if it had a different mouth, even if its body stayed the same. |
Kingdra has both Dragon and Sea Horse qualities. I agree with tkallab. It would make a big difference if Kingdra didn't have that nose/mouth. Even with keeping its Sea Horse body, giving it a new mouth would change its appearence enough that it wouldn't look almost completely dragon like it does now.
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I think Kingdra is a giant seahorse with a tad of Dragon in it.
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I agree with Tony Montana.
anyway, alright then, sorry for not being online much BTW, I'm gonna go do jobs around the neighbourhood and i'm gonna go sled racing today so don't excpect to much Xil today either.... Kingdra, King of seahorses or dragons? Closed: Result: Kingdra is a Dragon. It sounded like an argument to me, everyone had their own sides and all, Draggy was one of the only ones who, finally, wasn't convinced, XD. Ok, can anyone think of a new topic? |
i can think of a new topic where does milotic belong at
a dragon or a water only type? i think its a dragon if gyarados is a dragon but it looks like a serpent so i think it looks a bit dragonish to me |
Ok, here's a question for you:
A question that I think even all of you together won't be able to answer completly accurate, What makes dragon a dragon? (A real one, not pokemon...) |
i think the fact thats its mytholigical
and that its known as traditions in alot of countries and respected to be the ulitimate beast (other than a t rex) and has still got some relitives in the world |
A dragon, hmmm...
As far as real Dragons go, a dragon is any creature that's taxonomified (or whatever you call that) to be a dragon. But I don't believe in dragons, only in those created by humans in the form of art, be it in images or stories. IF the artist says it's a dragon, it's a dragon, unless it's painfully clear that it's something different (looking at Altaria). This is probably as close to my truth as I can get. |
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Dragons are mythological, true, but you'we got more to go. T-rex isn't an ultimate beast, and never was, as new studies show that T-rex was a scavenger rather than a predator. Dinosaurs speaking, I'd say Spinosaurus was the "ultimate beast"... @tkallab This... I knew you'd say that. But it's not true. Dragons aren't what the drawer, or whatever, chooses it to be. Anything can be anything then... What I'm looking for is what makes a dragon an animal it is. What are they, what makes them what they are? And there are answers, but I'll need all of them. :D |
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Alright, so I forgot to fill out this little thingy the first time I tried to apply, so here's my second chance. Sorry for the overlooking. xD Favorite Dragons?: Dragonite, Salamence, Flygon, Garchomp, Charizard (although he isn't 'Dragon' type), Gyarados (again, not 'Dragon' type, but hey), Altaria, Giratina and Kingdra. Should Garchomp and/or Salamence be Uber?: Garchomp should because of his speed, and Salamence should because of his brutal attack. Lance or Clair? Clair, because we're both similar. But...Lance uses more variety of Dragons rather than just the Dratini evos like Clair does. Which Dragon looks best Shiny? Shiny Charizard, but if you're looking for shiny Dragon type, definitely shiny Flygon. Shiny Salamence and shiny Dragonite look really gross in my opinion. But I'd love to have them. :P Giratina: 'Origin' Form or 'Another' Form? The origin form looks like what a Dragon god should look like. So yeah, origin form. Whats your Dragon Team? Salamence (level 100, purebred), Dragonite (level 67, purebred), Flygon (level 68, purebred), Garchomp (level 68, purebred), Kingdra (level 67, purebred), Charizard (level 67, purebred). Should Tyranitar be a Dragon? Nope. Sorry, but he doesn't carry that swag that Dragons have. What is your favorite legendary Dragon? Giratina. The whole concept of him is amazing. |
Relax, it's optional and you're already a member, Maj. Cor.
Draggy, you can't say it's not true. Yes, anything can be anything, to some degree. That limit is something clearly being something else. Like Altaria, or IRL the Komodo Dragon. But if you want to look at the physical aspects... Dragons are just lizards with long necks. Maybe some horns too. BIG IMAGE Spoiler:
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No, dragons are not lizards, but they are reptiles. They are ALWAYS reptiles, and you'll find a lot of pictures showing fish-like, mammal-like, etc. dragon pictures. Those ARE NOT dragons, and they never will be, no matter what the artist says!
Long necks and horns are optional... |
How about Gyarados? I'm willing to bet you think he's a Dragon, even though he's based on a fish.
Also, I feel the need to add a smily-face, because it feels like we're in some kind of fight and we don't want that. :) |
We're having a disscussion.
I thought you'd get used to that by now... Gyarados is more of a reptile than a fish. True, the tail doesn't really go in my favor, but the scales, mouth, ridges, etc. definetly do. |
Yeah, but somehow this feels more hostile than usual... Nevermind.
Also, >Implying that fishes don't have scales >Implying that reptiles mave mouths like that And I think the ridges are based on back fins, not anything reptilian. |
The picture was adorable.
I've never thought of Gyrados as a dragon. He has the appearence of more of a sea beast then a dragon. Gryados is alomst like a huge electric eel, without the electricity. |
> Never said, nor implied that fish (collective noun btw) don't have scales, I'll study zoology, remember?
But fish scales and reptile scales are different. >Nothing living has that kind of mouth... it's a pokemon... O.o And when I said name dragon characteristics, i actually meant real, non Pokemon dragon, so all this Gyarados buisness is completly off-topic. P.S. I'm never hostile when it comes to disscussions. |
I want to know where you got this complete and total knowledge of a mythical beast. I can't say for sure whether or not Milotic is a dragon or not. It has the Serpent form, and I feel like serpents are at least related to dragons, but I'm not sure. I'm leaning towards yes, however.
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