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Dooonerz January 21st, 2011 2:29 PM

Sorry I haven't been active in a while, school has come back and are now piling the homework on top of me. </3
Anywho, I'm going to go with the Pseudo Legendary topic:

4. Dragonite. Apart from the derpness, he helped me out against the E4 and destroyed Lance >;

3. Kingdra. It's oh so majestic, and it looks incredibly powerful, AND Water/Dragon is sick!

2. Flygon. YAY FOR RED GOGGLES! <3

1. Salamence baby. Just because he is freakin' awesome. <3

Silhouette January 21st, 2011 2:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xilfer123 (Post 6410670)
Please stop saying i'm overeacting! you're my friend! one of my ONLY friends!

What about us here at the Den!? D:

Also, Kingdra and Flygon aren't pseudo legendary.

Dooonerz January 21st, 2011 2:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silhouette (Post 6410704)
What about us here at the Den!? D:

Also, Kingdra and Flygon aren't pseudo legendary.

Oh yeah, dayum. Well I don't like any of the other Pseudos, so yeah Ima stick with that.

tkallab January 21st, 2011 2:55 PM

Don't forget he's just leaving the Den and not visiting that often. He's not leaving the entire forum. I hope. I understand you, Xilfer, but you're taking a little hard. I think it's a sign that you're a good person who cares about others.

And Doonerz, that's just like naming your favorite dragons, isn't it? :P

Xilfer January 21st, 2011 3:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silhouette (Post 6410704)
What about us here at the Den!? D:

Also, Kingdra and Flygon aren't pseudo legendary.

When i said one of my only friends i meant he's one of all of you, you're all my friends and i'm glad to be here!

Quote:

Originally Posted by tkallab (Post 6410733)
Don't forget he's just leaving the Den and not visiting that often. He's not leaving the entire forum. I hope. I understand you, Xilfer, but you're taking a little hard. I think it's a sign that you're a good person who cares about others.

And Doonerz, that's just like naming your favorite dragons, isn't it? :P

Hehe, thanks....you're making me sound like the protoganist of a pokemon game XD.

So...i think this topic is all about summed up, how's about a new one.

Wich Primary stage Dragon in your opinion is the weakest.

say i thought it was bagon or something.

tkallab January 21st, 2011 3:40 PM

Dratini. It's just a toothless harmless snake, really. It's pretty cute, though.

angel January 21st, 2011 3:52 PM

Um. May I join? My favorite dragon is Dragonite, I love that line. I perfer Lance over Clair.

tkallab January 21st, 2011 3:58 PM

Sure, welcome to the Den! I'll add you to the members list when I figure my first post out and all.
You can reply to one of our topics or enter the drawing competition in honor of our previous co-owner.

angel January 21st, 2011 4:08 PM

Thank you. ^^ I would if I had a way to scan it.

Anyways, I like Dratini. Its a simple dragon design. I love the ears.

Silhouette January 21st, 2011 5:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dooonerz (Post 6410710)
Oh yeah, dayum. Well I don't like any of the other Pseudos, so yeah Ima stick with that.

XD Mkay.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xilfer123 (Post 6410787)
Which Primary stage Dragon in your opinion is the weakest.

say i thought it was bagon or something.

Hm... Horsea, but I don't know if that counts.

For a sure answer, I'd say Dratini.

Also, welcome to the den, Angel!

angel January 21st, 2011 9:10 PM

Thank you Sillhouette. ^^

I've never understood the Dratini line. Dratini is a serpentine dragon, Dragonair is also a serpentine dragon and then here comes Dragonite who is a Wyvern. I've always thought that Dratini should have had a split path evolution. One path still going to Dragonite and the other path going to another serpentine dragon.

Flygon is awesome.

Shadow236 January 21st, 2011 9:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xilfer123 (Post 6410497)
Ok, so, i'm overeacting, i don't give a f*** i think we should do it, i mean if i left we wouldn't, if Maj. Cor left we wouldn't but amore was a co-owner, and a friend, i consider him one of the "Originals" who introduced me to this place, i never went to the new users section so...You, Amore and Draggy were sort of my mentors....

First of all....wow....
Oh and if you want to talk about originals I think that Sil and I were on the first page of the original DD. Was Amore in any previous DD's?

zapdos926 January 21st, 2011 9:58 PM

Well, a few things: sorry to hear about your dad shadow and welcome back, good bye Amore, and Xilfer, epic theme (typhlosion is my fav. Non dragon.)

On topic: trapinch, but that isn't a dragon, it just evolves into one, so I say Bagon.

I would enter the Flygon contest, but I'm too lazy

tkallab January 22nd, 2011 2:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shadow236 (Post 6411446)
First of all....wow....
Oh and if you want to talk about originals I think that Sil and I were on the first page of the original DD. Was Amore in any previous DD's?

No, but neither was Xilfer. With the originals he means the people who were here when he joined the Den. Now let's talk about Dragons.

Actually, all first stage one Dragon's look pretty weak. Only Monozu looks kind of strong, but I may be biased because I made a Monozu eat someone in my comic.

Dooonerz January 22nd, 2011 2:38 AM

I hate to say it but, Bagon. I'm reaallly not a fan of his stats, and he just looks like a gorm. </3

Xilfer January 22nd, 2011 6:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by angel (Post 6410826)
Um. May I join? My favorite dragon is Dragonite, I love that line. I perfer Lance over Clair.

LOL, I didn't think i'd see you here angel, heh, welcome to the den :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by angel (Post 6411396)
Thank you Sillhouette. ^^

I've never understood the Dratini line. Dratini is a serpentine dragon, Dragonair is also a serpentine dragon and then here comes Dragonite who is a Wyvern. I've always thought that Dratini should have had a split path evolution. One path still going to Dragonite and the other path going to another serpentine dragon.

Flygon is awesome.

Hm, neither have i, it took me awile to accept that Dragonite is connected to that line.

Quote:

Originally Posted by tkallab (Post 6411600)
No, but neither was Xilfer. With the originals he means the people who were here when he joined the Den. Now let's talk about Dragons.

Actually, all first stage one Dragon's look pretty weak. Only Monozu looks kind of strong, but I may be biased because I made a Monozu eat someone in my comic.

Yes that's more rather what i meant, Draggy, tkallab and Amore were the ones who were most recently online and they taught me alot about the pokecommunity.

Lol, i remember that bit of the comic like it was yesterday XD
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dooonerz (Post 6411625)
I hate to say it but, Bagon. I'm reaallly not a fan of his stats, and he just looks like a gorm. </3

Want me to be honest? i compeltely agree with you NOODLES! er...Dooonerz, hehe, i get excited around Noodles....XD.

tkallab January 22nd, 2011 7:21 AM

I had no problems accepting Dragonite as an evolution of Dragonair, because I was like, five, and it seemed natural, because they were the only Dragons. Dragonite as a legendary would have been awesome, though.

Xilfer January 22nd, 2011 7:36 AM

Yeah but Legendary Dragonite would have been a pain in the ass to get. i prefer normal Dragonite.

besides, i only became interested in pokemon thanks to an old friend of mine called ben (who should be aproximately.....7 by now), in the begining i didn't understand anything XD

As a young pokemon fan (about 10 years old) i looked at all the other people who were so facinated by...Pikachu, yet i didn't give a hoot about Pikachu, and started researching emulators, after i got my first VBA and pokemon yellow game, i started playing up to violet town.....where it was too scary to go on.... eventually i found out about much newer pokemon games, and i started playing those....

Then i compeleted Sapphire, never completed leafgreen, and went on...
Still unfacinated by Pikachu i dove deaper into the pokemon world, and i found all sorts of wonrous creatures including:

Raichu
Metagross
the Dratini line
Ledian
Electivire
Magmortar, you get it.

And so i became sort of an 11 year old expert on pokemon, after a long while of playing pokemon games i got bored, and started playing hacks. then, i found the pokecommunity, i was like, if i'm gonna make new friends (wich i was desperate to do at the time) i should join this place and various other sites, but those (various other sites) never got ahold of me, as.... just a few days after i turned twelve...i clicked the register button....and here i am...
Draggy got me to see the bright side of Lance and Dragonite and such while tkallab, being from the neighbouring country to my own homeland, became my "best friend" and Amore taught me all the basics of pokecommunity including respects for his various themes: Plusle Minun Bulbasaur Squirtle Charmander Blaziken (wich i already had respect for) Sceptile Feraligatr and so on XD.
Well, that's about it.... and all this was because of my little friend Benjamin, who was only 4.
Walla.....(dust swirls)

tkallab January 22nd, 2011 7:43 AM

Ummm, that was exactly one sentence about Dragons ^^ And

IF YOU'RE NOT A POKÉMON FAN FROM THE BEGINNING YOU'RE NOTHING
You make it all sound like some higher purpose or something. XD

But try to stay a little on the topic of Dragons, okay? ;) I'm a co-owner now.

I think it would have worked to make Dragonite the final legendary, and make Mewtwo part of the plot. That would have been so awesome.

Shadow236 January 22nd, 2011 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zapdos926 (Post 6411458)
Well, a few things: sorry to hear about your dad shadow and welcome back...

Thanks a lot Zapdos, I appreciate it

Quote:

Originally Posted by angel (Post 6411396)
Thank you Sillhouette. ^^

I've never understood the Dratini line. Dratini is a serpentine dragon, Dragonair is also a serpentine dragon and then here comes Dragonite who is a Wyvern. I've always thought that Dratini should have had a split path evolution. One path still going to Dragonite and the other path going to another serpentine dragon.

Flygon is awesome.

for some reason, since I've been a fan of Pokemon since the first launch of the first gen, I always excepted Dragonite as the final form of Dratini. But, I do think it would've been SWEET if the 5th gen could've split the evo line.

angel January 22nd, 2011 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xilfer123 (Post 6411820)
LOL, I didn't think i'd see you here angel, heh, welcome to the den :)

*Playfully pinches cheek* Aw. You not happy to see me sweetie? XD

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xilfer123 (Post 6411820)
Hm, neither have i, it took me awile to accept that Dragonite is connected to that line.

I still don't believe! I believe it should be a split path. Serpentines and Weyverns are two COMPLETELY different dragons! My favorite of the line is Dragonair. It looks so elegant.

Edit: Me too. I would be so happy. :3

MysticFlygon January 22nd, 2011 12:51 PM

You all still accepting members? If so, can I still join?
Favorite Dragons: Dragonite, Flygon, Salamence, Charizard, Tyranitar, Latios, Latias

Should Garchomp and/or Salamence be Uber: Yes
Lance or Clair: Lance

Which Dragon looks best Shiny: Latios

Giratina: 'Origin' Form or 'Another' Form: Orgin

Whats your Dragon Team: Flygon, Dragonite, Salamence, Latios, Latias, Dialga

Should Tyranitar be a Dragon: Yes

What is your favorite legendary Dragon: Rayquaza's the ultimate

angel January 22nd, 2011 1:09 PM

I believe so. I was just accepted last night. Welcome to the Den sweetie. :3

Sweet. Another Lance fan.

Amore January 22nd, 2011 3:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shadow236 (Post 6411446)
First of all....wow....
Oh and if you want to talk about originals I think that Sil and I were on the first page of the original DD. Was Amore in any previous DD's?

Haha, intermittently (but active when I was) in DD2, and more in DD3 (hence co-ownership in the new one).

Oh, topic (Seeing as I'm here until tomorrow xD): Dratini. Because it sucks badly on my games. Extremespeed one is another matter, but it's received after beating a high-levelled Kingdra, so doesn't count as it's underlevelled.

Silhouette January 22nd, 2011 11:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MysticFlygon (Post 6412233)
You all still accepting members? If so, can I still join?
Favorite Dragons: Dragonite, Flygon, Salamence, Charizard, Tyranitar, Latios, Latias

Should Garchomp and/or Salamence be Uber: Yes
Lance or Clair: Lance

Which Dragon looks best Shiny: Latios

Giratina: 'Origin' Form or 'Another' Form: Orgin

Whats your Dragon Team: Flygon, Dragonite, Salamence, Latios, Latias, Dialga

Should Tyranitar be a Dragon: Yes

What is your favorite legendary Dragon: Rayquaza's the ultimate

Sure thing.

And now that I think about it, you guys are right. Dragonair looks nothing like Dragonite. :O

dragoniteuser January 23rd, 2011 5:03 AM

First of, couple of corrections:
Dragonite is not a wyvern, but a western dragon...
Just ask other den members and they'll tell you that dragons are my soft spot and that I'm very demanding when it comes to punctuality regarding dragons... :)
Dratini is not that weak, I've played through entire FR using one dratini that had Modest nature. Sp. attk dratini can do wonders!
As for the current topic, i'd say that Horsea (if not then dragon typed Bagon) is the weakest...

Also, the evo line doesn't have to be completly logical, cause a lot in Pokemon isn't logical...

EDIT

Oh, I almost forgot, here's my imput to the Flygon drawing contest:

Shadow236 January 24th, 2011 12:31 PM

I'm actually kind of an artist... but if I draw flygon I'm gonna go all out and it might take a while, should I do it?

angel January 24th, 2011 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shadow236 (Post 6415826)
I'm actually kind of an artist... but if I draw flygon I'm gonna go all out and it might take a while, should I do it?

If you want to then go ahead and do it. :3

Well, even if its not a Wyvern my point still stands true. Another type of dragon can't evolve into a different type of dragon.

tkallab January 24th, 2011 12:37 PM

Sure, there's no deadline! As long as you say you're joining the competition before february, you have all the time in the world.

Also,

Quote:

Originally Posted by angel (Post 6415834)
If you want to then go ahead and do it. :3

Well, even if its not a Wyvern my point still stands true. Another type of dragon can't evolve into a different type of dragon.

Does the same go for other kinds of Pokémon? Can a fish not evolve into a Chinese Dragon? Can a worm not become a bee?
Jast sayin'. :)

dragoniteuser January 24th, 2011 1:17 PM

The bottom point remains, pokemon are not always logical...
Why would Execute evolve to Exeggutor, or Kabuto to Kabutops, or Flaafy to Ampharos..., there's a lot of examples where evolutions don't make much sence.

angel January 24th, 2011 1:36 PM

I know that. I've never thought Pokemon was logical, just look at the fact that parents let ten year-olds go off into the world alone. We aren't allowed to do that until eighteen, though there are cases where sixteen year-olds are out on their own. Anyways, I was just saying that there should be a split for the Dratini family.

dragoniteuser January 24th, 2011 2:10 PM

Well, I guess i could see Dragonair evolve into something ike this:
http://pictures.linkmesh.com/dragons/images/celestial_dragon.jpg

Xilfer January 24th, 2011 2:18 PM

Been busy for your information.

Quote:

Originally Posted by tkallab (Post 6411888)
Ummm, that was exactly one sentence about Dragons ^^ And

IF YOU'RE NOT A POKÉMON FAN FROM THE BEGINNING YOU'RE NOTHING
You make it all sound like some higher purpose or something. XD

But try to stay a little on the topic of Dragons, okay? ;) I'm a co-owner now.

I think it would have worked to make Dragonite the final legendary, and make Mewtwo part of the plot. That would have been so awesome.

XD, i dunno why i even said that, i'm just sayin, if it wasn't for that kid i wouldn't be here today, and i wouldn't have met all you idiots (XD I Kid)
Besides, i was always interested in Dragons even before i was interested in pokemon, so when i saw there was a Dragon type i was like "....GOTTA CATCH'EM ALL!" XD.
And yes, i'll try to stay on topic thank you Steino.
P.S. Incase you're wondering i'm never gonna stop uysing that quote against you XD

Quote:

Originally Posted by angel (Post 6412259)
I believe so. I was just accepted last night. Welcome to the Den sweetie. :3

Sweet. Another Lance fan.

We're all Lance fans here.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silhouette (Post 6413218)
Sure thing.

And now that I think about it, you guys are right. Dragonair looks nothing like Dragonite. :O

You only just realised that?!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shadow236 (Post 6415826)
I'm actually kind of an artist... but if I draw flygon I'm gonna go all out and it might take a while, should I do it?

you should, there's no deadline.

Quote:

Originally Posted by dragoniteuser (Post 6415895)
The bottom point remains, pokemon are not always logical...
Why would Execute evolve to Exeggutor, or Kabuto to Kabutops, or Flaafy to Ampharos..., there's a lot of examples where evolutions don't make much sence.

Hm, but the least we can do is TRY to make sense of it all.

Quote:

Originally Posted by angel (Post 6415935)
I know that. I've never thought Pokemon was logical, just look at the fact that parents let ten year-olds go off into the world alone. We aren't allowed to do that until eighteen, though there are cases where sixteen year-olds are out on their own. Anyways, I was just saying that there should be a split for the Dratini family.

Why? you know one? XD
Anyway, i already answered the topic so there's nothing Dragon-based for me to say.....
New Topic then: Compare Each Dragon pokemon you can think of (including deemed ones such as Gyrados) with real life Dragons.
For example, say i thought Dragonite is a Wyvern.
Ninja'd, i didn't know you were still online, i didn't bother to check your online status.

treecko0 January 24th, 2011 2:26 PM

I would like to become a member
Favorite Dragons? Chompers Flygon and im going to get Ononokusu when B/W comes out
Should Garchomp and/or Salamence be Uber? No but when B/W comes out they will be OU
Lance or Clair? Lance
Which Dragon looks best Shiny? Flygon
Giratina: 'Origin' Form or 'Another' Form? Origin
Whats your Dragon Team? My Dream Dragon Team - Garchomp Flygon Ononokusu Salamence Altaria (which will lead me to my next thing) Dragonite (with its multi scale ability it will be able to support 1 STAB Ice Beam)
Should Tyranitar be a Dragon? No
What is your favorite legendary Dragon? Latios


Also Why isnt Altaria(Best Support Dragon) considered a dragon?? Its more dragon than T-tar and charizard as far as aerodactyl it dosent look like a dragon nor is it......If your listing pokes that can learn dragon moves up there that arent dragons then you should list Sceptile up there he learns dragon moves as well as rhyhorn and many others

angel January 24th, 2011 2:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dragoniteuser (Post 6415998)
Well, I guess i could see Dragonair evolve into something ike this:
http://pictures.linkmesh.com/dragons/images/celestial_dragon.jpg

Aw! Its adorable!! What I don't like about the line right now is that Dragonite has limbs. Dratini and Dragonair don't have limbs. Meaning Dragonite doesn't have to walk on its belly like Dratini and Dragonair.

Edit: As a matter of fact I have a good friend of mine who was kicked out of her house at sixteen. She's now eighteen and living with her boyfriend.

dragoniteuser January 25th, 2011 2:21 AM

@treecko0
Welcome to the den! ;)
About your question, all this was debated several months ago, and the Pokemon you see in the list are Dragon pokemon to us.
We're not getting into the same arguement again, if you want to know why, search through the pages.

@Xil's topic
As i've stated before, Dragonite isn't a Wywern, but Aerodactyl is.
Gyarados would be some kind of sea dragon, not necesarily a Celestial dragon...
Dragonite, Charizard, Flygon, and Salamence are your everyday Western dragons.
Dratini, dragonair, Rayquaza are Ceestial dragons.
Palkia and Dialga just aren't dragons!

PS: I've noticed you haven't removed Vibrava from the list, and we've voted it out, CAUSE IT'S A FREAKIN' BUG!!! (not that i don't like Vibrava... ;))

JERIICHO January 25th, 2011 8:08 AM

Hey may i join this Club i am a Dragon type user myself if it looks like one and it fights like one it will be in my team i was in the dragons den along time ago but i left and then felt like rejoining but forgot my name and password for my old account so had to make a new one
Details about me:
My favorite dragon pokemon is Kingdra it has kicked so many pokemon aside from me on wifi battles and still does
my least favorite is aerodactyl its hard for me to train and i'm not very good with it
hopefully in black and white i will have luck with the new dragon types
andways thats most of my description except my team which i am deciding on when black and white comes out right now its
Kingdra,charizard,Salamence,Flygon,Dragonite
i'm going to add one final dragon when black and white comes out

tkallab January 25th, 2011 9:42 AM

Ummmm, I was going to edit my first post, but I'm not on my own computer, where I have all my data and stuff... And there's a virus on it, so I need to get rid of that first before I can make the first post good.

In the meantime, I'll add the new members. Treecko and Jericho, you're accepted, of course.

Also, I'm willing to get back into older arguments if anyone feels the need to. But you won't beat draggy or me, especially when we're on the same side! :)

Xilfer January 25th, 2011 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by angel (Post 6416045)
Edit: As a matter of fact I have a good friend of mine who was kicked out of her house at sixteen. She's now eighteen and living with her boyfriend.

Oh, I'm sorry to hear that... Hope she's ok. :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by dragoniteuser (Post 6417091)
@treecko0
Welcome to the den! ;)
About your question, all this was debated several months ago, and the Pokemon you see in the list are Dragon pokemon to us.
We're not getting into the same arguement again, if you want to know why, search through the pages.

@Xil's topic
As i've stated before, Dragonite isn't a Wywern, but Aerodactyl is.
Gyarados would be some kind of sea dragon, not necesarily a Celestial dragon...
Dragonite, Charizard, Flygon, and Salamence are your everyday Western dragons.
Dratini, dragonair, Rayquaza are Ceestial dragons.
Palkia and Dialga just aren't dragons!

PS: I've noticed you haven't removed Vibrava from the list, and we've voted it out, CAUSE IT'S A FREAKIN' BUG!!! (not that i don't like Vibrava... ;))

I know, it was an example, i don't think Dragonite is a wyvern either, in fact i agree with you on the western dragon dillemna.
Hm, Vibrava is cool but it's
Quote:

IT'S A FREAKIN' BUG!!!
XD.
Let's see....
Gyrados: Sea Dragon/Sea Serpent
tkallab: Steino XD
Dragonite: Western Dragon
Aerodoctyle: Western Dragon/Wyvern/Part Dragon Part Dino? XD
Salamence: Western Dragon

tkallab January 25th, 2011 10:26 AM

I'm mind of interested in what you guys think about Kingdra. I'd love to give my opinion, but...

I have no idea. :/ Is it a dragon? Is it a seahorse? A combination of those two?

Xilfer January 25th, 2011 10:47 AM

I think Kingdra is an interesting specimin indeed
I'd say a combination, it's obviously a sea horse and it has a few Dragon traits.....sorta......actually it's a sea horse, not a dragon, the only thing Draconic could be it's eyes, i LOVE this pokemon, one of my complete FAVS! and i love the fact that it's dragon typed too but...i'm afraid it's a seahorse....

dragoniteuser January 25th, 2011 12:38 PM

Ever hear about this aquatic animal:

? It's a seahorse specie called Sea dragon. weird huh?
Why it's called this way, i do not know, but I'd say Kingdrais based of it.
Wether how a real sea dragon would look like i can't say for certain. i do have some speculations, but, no I don't think kingdra looks like something a sea dragon would look like...

tkallab January 25th, 2011 12:47 PM

Interesting empty spoiler draggy... ;) But I believe you anyways.
I guess his eyes do kind of look like dragons' eyes. Maybe the horns too... But that's it, no other references to any kind of Dragon. Yet, for some reason, I feel like this is a Dragon... Kinda weird, I can't put my finger on it... :/

dragoniteuser January 25th, 2011 12:51 PM

I thought the picture url was OK...
It showed to me.
Here's it again anyways:
http://wtfhub.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/freaky-animals-sea-dragon.jpg

tkallab January 25th, 2011 12:53 PM

It's not showing up, even when I try to quote you... But I just googled it. I'm pretty sure I've seen that thing before. I kind of like the way they made Kingdra out of that thing. Not sure why though :/

Xilfer January 25th, 2011 1:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dragoniteuser (Post 6417766)
Ever hear about this aquatic animal:

? It's a seahorse specie called Sea dragon. weird huh?
Why it's called this way, i do not know, but I'd say Kingdrais based of it.
Wether how a real sea dragon would look like i can't say for certain. i do have some speculations, but, no I don't think kingdra looks like something a sea dragon would look like...

Hmmm, yes that could change my mind, but it dosen't look too much like a dragon.

Quote:

Originally Posted by tkallab (Post 6417793)
Interesting empty spoiler draggy... ;) But I believe you anyways.
I guess his eyes do kind of look like dragons' eyes. Maybe the horns too... But that's it, no other references to any kind of Dragon. Yet, for some reason, I feel like this is a Dragon... Kinda weird, I can't put my finger on it... :/

Empty? i can see it just fine.
So you get that feeling too? i thought i was the only one!

Quote:

Originally Posted by tkallab (Post 6417804)
It's not showing up, even when I try to quote you... But I just googled it. I'm pretty sure I've seen that thing before. I kind of like the way they made Kingdra out of that thing. Not sure why though :/

I can see it fine.
Hm, that picture may have shown up somewhere before, i find it familiar too.....hmm....probably a past discussion.

tkallab January 25th, 2011 1:05 PM

Maybe I can't see it because I live in Holland or something? A link did show up when I got the e-mail notification when draggy posted here, but when I clicked it the page wouldn't load.

Maybe Kingdra is a unique kind of Dragon, just like Reshiram is to me. I can't quite place my finger on how Reshiram is a Dragon either, but I just feel like he is, just like with Kingdra...

Xilfer January 25th, 2011 1:26 PM

Yawn. how about a topic around this discussion:

Kingdra, King of seahorses or dragons?
The classic argument, this time we focus around Kingdra, give your opinions, thoughts, is this ellegant sea creature dubbed Dragon? or is it just a very powerfull seahorse? or both?

treecko0 January 25th, 2011 5:37 PM

To me no it dosent seem to look nor have any characteristics of a dragon its more of an ancient seahorse to me
I have one my self and in battle its great and only dragon being its wakness its....
but still

angel January 25th, 2011 6:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xilfer123 (Post 6417878)
Yawn. how about a topic around this discussion:

Kingdra, King of seahorses or dragons?
The classic argument, this time we focus around Kingdra, give your opinions, thoughts, is this ellegant sea creature dubbed Dragon? or is it just a very powerfull seahorse? or both?

I love this topic. I love Kingdra. The picture that Dragonite posted could be the animal Kingdra was based of off. Since it has similarites to Kingdra. Anyways I believe Kingdra is a mix of both Dragons and Sea Horses. One its ear like things on the back of its head reminds me of dragons. Look at its head, it looks like a minature dragon's head. Though its body looks like the body of a sea horse.

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moon January 26th, 2011 2:11 AM

This picture looks a bit more like Kingdra, I think. I'd say there's a possibility it's based off this :)

http://gleneaglesbio2010.wikispaces.com/file/view/weedy_seadragon.jpg/116266841/weedy_seadragon.jpg

Xilfer January 26th, 2011 7:37 AM

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Originally Posted by treecko0 (Post 6418313)
To me no it dosent seem to look nor have any characteristics of a dragon its more of an ancient seahorse to me
I have one my self and in battle its great and only dragon being its wakness its....
but still

Yes, that is a good point.

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Originally Posted by angel (Post 6418461)
I love this topic. I love Kingdra. The picture that Dragonite posted could be the animal Kingdra was based of off. Since it has similarites to Kingdra. Anyways I believe Kingdra is a mix of both Dragons and Sea Horses. One its ear like things on the back of its head reminds me of dragons. Look at its head, it looks like a minature dragon's head. Though its body looks like the body of a sea horse.

Xil: Thank you. She's doing ok. Though I only get to see her twice a month.

I maybe think that too, but i really can't decide....i'll let things unfold i think, yes, unfold......

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Originally Posted by Red's Hawt Chibi Pelippers (Post 6419007)
This picture looks a bit more like Kingdra, I think. I'd say there's a possibility it's based off this :)

http://gleneaglesbio2010.wikispaces.com/file/view/weedy_seadragon.jpg/116266841/weedy_seadragon.jpg

Possibly, but there are also many unsimilarities, such as the fact that Kingdra is not a seaweed....thingy....
But, yes that is a possibility as Pokemon has many unexplained phenomenons....yes.
P.S. Acting all sciency i know XD

angel January 26th, 2011 7:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Red's Hawt Chibi Pelippers (Post 6419007)
This picture looks a bit more like Kingdra, I think. I'd say there's a possibility it's based off this :)

http://gleneaglesbio2010.wikispaces.com/file/view/weedy_seadragon.jpg/116266841/weedy_seadragon.jpg

This could be th animal Kingdra was base off of. This is more sea horse-y then the last picture. However it stil has dragon aspects to it. You can see things coming out of its back, these could have been what the creators based Kingdra's wings off. If you look at the animal's nose it has the same nose as Kingdra, its just a lot thinner. Also Kingdra's nose has always reminded me of a sea horse's nose, not a dragn's.

Xilfer January 26th, 2011 8:41 AM

Hm, you strike a very good point angel, i, also, have always reffered to it's nose as seahorsey, and yes, you're totally right, but! regardless of the fct that it's a sea dragon by NAME only, therefore, i doubt it's existance as a dragon, as much as i hate to say it....it is not a dragon.

Regeneration January 26th, 2011 8:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Xilfer123 (Post 6419230)
Possibly, but there are also many unsimilarities, such as the fact that Kingdra is not a seaweed....thingy....

Seaweed? That is just present in the background. Kingdra, because of being Horsea's evolution is clearly based off the sea-horse.

angel January 26th, 2011 9:15 AM

Well we also have to put its name into this too. Kingdra. It means the King of Dragons.

Xilfer January 26th, 2011 9:25 AM

True, Kingdra, Kingdragon, however, the name has nothing to do with it, that's just nintendo acting all googley again.

angel January 26th, 2011 9:28 AM

I don't think so. They wouldn't call something the King of Dragons without it being a dragon. Like they wouldn't name a cat the King of Bugs. It doesn't happen. There has to be a reason that they named Kingdra the King of Dragons.

Xilfer January 26th, 2011 9:32 AM

I doubt your theory, if nintendo made it a dragon they would call it that but since it's not really a dragon to us, it's name is part of the factor that nintendo mistakenly gave Kingdra, it's only part of the dispute that i'm tryng to get rid of, sorta, i haven't fully decided on my opinions yet, but as of now i vote kingdra out....

angel January 26th, 2011 9:56 AM

That's where we disagree. I believe that Kingdra is a mix between Sea Horse and Dragon. It has similarities to both. And I don't believe that Nintendo would do something like misname a Pokemon.

Dooonerz January 26th, 2011 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by angel (Post 6419403)
I don't think so. They wouldn't call something the King of Dragons without it being a dragon. Like they wouldn't name a cat the King of Bugs. It doesn't happen. There has to be a reason that they named Kingdra the King of Dragons.

Okay then, what about Dragonite? Dragon-Elite, possibly?

Xilfer January 26th, 2011 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by angel (Post 6419432)
That's where we disagree. I believe that Kingdra is a mix between Sea Horse and Dragon. It has similarities to both. And I don't believe that Nintendo would do something like misname a Pokemon.

I do, nintendo has done ALOT and i mean ALOT of stupid misnamings over the years, it could be a cross, since i haven't got my opinions settled 100% but i doubt it.
I'll need more proof to set my opinion to a stand still.

dragoniteuser January 26th, 2011 10:13 AM

English names of pokemon are always word gamings that has a resemblance to it, or it reflects the name of an object or animal it is based of.
I think that Kingdra IS a POKEMON sea dragon, and that sea dragon doesn't necesarily HAVE to look like Gyarados.

@Doonerz
Dragonite's name is sacred so DO SAY IT!!!

@RHCP
That's the same specie just a different photo... O.o

Xilfer January 26th, 2011 10:26 AM

Hm, i don't buy it. yes it could be a cross im still deciding on that...
Either way i beleive that the name has nothing to do with this.

angel January 26th, 2011 10:58 AM

The Leafy Sea Dragon (Pictured above) is what I believe Kingdra is based off of and it is in fact a dragon. The Leafy Sea Dragon is a dragon. However it is closely related to Sea Horses. Which may be why Kingdra resembles a Sea Horse in some ways. Howerever Leafy Sea Dragons have larger bodies then Sea Horses.

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Originally Posted by Dragoniteuser
I think Kingdra IS a POKEMON sea dragon, and that sea dragon doesn't necesarily HAVE to look like Gyradaos.

I agree 100 percent. There are diferent kinds of Sea Dragons. Having two pokemon based off the same animals is ok but it would got boring if they looked exactly alike.

I got my Sea Dragon infromation from here

Shadow236 January 26th, 2011 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by dragoniteuser (Post 6415998)
Well, I guess i could see Dragonair evolve into something ike this:
http://pictures.linkmesh.com/dragons/images/celestial_dragon.jpg

Wouldn't this be too similar to Gyrados though?

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Originally Posted by treecko0 (Post 6416030)
Also Why isnt Altaria(Best Support Dragon) considered a dragon?? Its more dragon than T-tar and charizard as far as aerodactyl it dosent look like a dragon nor is it......If your listing pokes that can learn dragon moves up there that arent dragons then you should list Sceptile up there he learns dragon moves as well as rhyhorn and many others

I happen to agree with Treeko0 here! You can't be telling me that Altaria isn't on the Dragons list... guys, it's part Dragon, it doesn't matter if you don't like it because it's a DRAGON.

-And I think I will enter the Flygon contest then =)

angel January 26th, 2011 11:24 AM

No matter how much I think it should be a dragon, Altaria is more bird then dragon.

Xilfer January 26th, 2011 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by angel (Post 6419518)
The Leafy Sea Dragon (Pictured above) is what I believe Kingdra is based off of and it is in fact a dragon. The Leafy Sea Dragon is a dragon. However it is closely related to Sea Horses. Which may be why Kingdra resembles a Sea Horse in some ways. Howerever Leafy Sea Dragons have larger bodies then Sea Horses.



I agree 100 percent. There are diferent kinds of Sea Dragons. Having two pokemon based off the same animals is ok but it would got boring if they looked exactly alike.

I got my Sea Dragon infromation from here

Well, my mind was made up for the seahorse thing at about 98% but it looks like my mind has changed, i'll agree with you, that's sufficient proof.
Well done angel, you've changed my mind, and it's not really easy to do that XD

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Originally Posted by Shadow236 (Post 6419555)
Wouldn't this be too similar to Gyrados though?


I happen to agree with Treeko0 here! You can't be telling me that Altaria isn't on the Dragons list... guys, it's part Dragon, it doesn't matter if you don't like it because it's a DRAGON.

-And I think I will enter the Flygon contest then =)

We have already disputed this, Altaria is a BIRD we all agree! and we're not gonna change our minds, it may be handy early on, but it is a bird, not all Dragon types are registered here because we don't CONSIDER them to be dragons, that's what we're disputing right now, wether Kingdra is a dragon or not.

thanks to angel, i think i'll give Kingdra a yes. after all, i still like it no matter what happens, it's one of my favorite pokemon :)

tkallab January 26th, 2011 11:35 AM

Dragon or not; Altaria

We voted Altaria not a Dragon a long time ago. But when new people arrive, the opinion of the majority may change. If there are enough people requesting it, we can have a revote.

By the way, we're not voting for Kingdra at the moment, just discussing. I'm still doubting, I think I won't be able to sleep until I find out what is exactly so dragonny about Kingdra to me.

dragoniteuser January 26th, 2011 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by angel (Post 6419518)
The Leafy Sea Dragon (Pictured above) is what I believe Kingdra is based off of and it is in fact a dragon. The Leafy Sea Dragon is a dragon. However it is closely related to Sea Horses. Which may be why Kingdra resembles a Sea Horse in some ways. Howerever Leafy Sea Dragons have larger bodies then Sea Horses.



Umm... Are you kidding me?!
Sea Dragons are not actually dragons. They're fish!
They're a seahorse specie, but the name alone isn't enough to say they're dragons! In fact seadragons... the FISH... have nothing related to dragons.
The name "dragon" is due to they're rarety, size, appereance that is unique, but it doesn't mean it's reallly a dragon.
Komodo dragon is a lizard, a monitor lizard actually, and the name "dragon" is strictly cause of they're size. That doesn't mean they're really dragons.
And so what if they're bigger, if a tuna is bigger then a sardine, does it mean it's not a fish, but a shark or a whale?!

Xilfer January 26th, 2011 12:29 PM

Good point, but i disagree still, angel's influence about the dragon is too much TOO MUCH! XD

JERIICHO January 26th, 2011 2:43 PM

Hey team i'm back of course i've been playing pokemon black on rom
and i have been having great fun with it i can tell you a good bit about the two third form dragons

Spoiler:
Axew basic dragon looks like Gible evolves Lv 38 again at Lv 48
very attack and defense heavy REALLY powerful when on second stage and as a really good moveset my moves are right now
X-Scissor
Dragon claw
Dragon dance
Slash
i'm on the the second stage approaching 3rd


Spoiler:
ok
Deino
found it at the victory road at Lv 41
very quick and good special attack/attack
second stage haven't got that far it evolves at Lv 50
then again at Lv 64!! thats very high for a pokemon highest Lv evo known yet i'm at Lv47 with both dragons
Deinos moveset for me is
Dragon pulse
Dragon claw
Dig
Dragon dance
another thing about its final form its stats are very very legendary like unlike dragonites its extremely close to latios and latias in terms of sheer power its stronger than dragonite salamence and garchomp


thats all i have to report if you guys want me to redirect you to where i downloaded the rom and how i got it to work i will show you the game is brilliant even on a laptop DS will be a huge breakthrough for pokemon i will be posting alot more reports on the dragon team also i count snivy final form to be dragon because it is serpent like so i will report more on my black gameplay because its adicting :D

tkallab January 26th, 2011 2:51 PM

>Implying we can't look this up on Serebii

Spoiler:
I already took care of spreading the roms, in a legal way even.
Axew's line is by far my favorite dragon line from Generation V. Deino's also cool, but it evolves too late and I never liked multiple heads, and Crimgan's still kind of ugly, although I like it more than I used to already.


Make sure you put generation V stuff in spoiler tags next time, there are people who don't want to know about the new games yet.

JERIICHO January 26th, 2011 3:02 PM

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Originally Posted by tkallab (Post 6419934)
>Implying we can't look this up on Serebii

Spoiler:
I already took care of spreading the roms, in a legal way even.
Axew's line is by far my favorite dragon line from Generation V. Deino's also cool, but it evolves too late and I never liked multiple heads, and Crimgan's still kind of ugly, although I like it more than I used to already.


Make sure you put generation V stuff in spoiler tags next time, there are people who don't want to know about the new games yet.

Thanks for alerting me to that i changed it to spoilers now if you want to read it you may but thats what i think of them overall very good dragons

tkallab January 26th, 2011 3:07 PM

Yeah, they're pretty good too bad they take so long to evolve...

But you've got that problem with all dragons. :/

JERIICHO January 26th, 2011 3:10 PM

its a bit Farfetched having it evolve at level 64 anything between
50 to 60 is good for second stage anything between 30 and 40 is good far to high lv 50 to 64 is high but i suppose its good consider you can catch it at a high level i hope the real version is even better :D

Xilfer January 26th, 2011 5:16 PM

Steino, don't change the subject XD
JERIICHO please, we are in the middle of a argument, if you want to talk about this stuff just VM the Steino.

Anyway, i think Sil should open up the votes now, doncha say Sil?

tkallab January 27th, 2011 9:35 AM

I don't think we should vote. Most people probably agree that Kingdra is a Dragon at least in some way, and unless some people explicitly ask for a voting, it's not necessary.

Also, our subject is Dragons, right? Not just Kingdra ;)

dragoniteuser January 27th, 2011 11:05 AM

And who knows more about dragons here, than me? ;)
But sereously, are we debatinag about dragons, and if we are, what excatly?

tkallab January 27th, 2011 11:26 AM

Well, debating... We're just talking about Kingdra, and the Generation V Dragons a little too, I guess.

I think that what reduces Kingdra's Dragon-ness the most is its nose/mouth/snout(?).

dragoniteuser January 27th, 2011 1:40 PM

Not to mention the rest of it's body which is clearly seahorse!
Also, I don't think we should disscuss gen V. in spoilers, since Amore requested it, and he isn't around anymore.
Pllus it's annoying... O.o

tkallab January 27th, 2011 1:57 PM

Let's see if there's anyone who would prefer there to be spoilers first. If there's one person requesting it, that's enough reason.

Yes, let's not forget the seahorse body. But I think Kingdra would look a lot more like a dragon if it had a different mouth, even if its body stayed the same.

angel January 27th, 2011 2:16 PM

Kingdra has both Dragon and Sea Horse qualities. I agree with tkallab. It would make a big difference if Kingdra didn't have that nose/mouth. Even with keeping its Sea Horse body, giving it a new mouth would change its appearence enough that it wouldn't look almost completely dragon like it does now.

Tony Montana January 27th, 2011 5:41 PM

I think Kingdra is a giant seahorse with a tad of Dragon in it.

Xilfer January 28th, 2011 8:10 AM

I agree with Tony Montana.
anyway, alright then, sorry for not being online much BTW, I'm gonna go do jobs around the neighbourhood and i'm gonna go sled racing today so don't excpect to much Xil today either....

Kingdra, King of seahorses or dragons? Closed: Result: Kingdra is a Dragon.

It sounded like an argument to me, everyone had their own sides and all, Draggy was one of the only ones who, finally, wasn't convinced, XD.

Ok, can anyone think of a new topic?

JERIICHO January 28th, 2011 2:46 PM

i can think of a new topic where does milotic belong at
a dragon or a water only type?
i think its a dragon if gyarados is a dragon but it looks like a serpent
so i think it looks a bit dragonish to me

dragoniteuser January 28th, 2011 2:54 PM

Ok, here's a question for you:
A question that I think even all of you together won't be able to answer completly accurate,
What makes dragon a dragon?

(A real one, not pokemon...)

JERIICHO January 28th, 2011 2:59 PM

i think the fact thats its mytholigical
and that its known as traditions in alot of countries and respected to be the ulitimate beast (other than a t rex)
and has still got some relitives in the world

tkallab January 28th, 2011 3:13 PM

A dragon, hmmm...

As far as real Dragons go, a dragon is any creature that's taxonomified (or whatever you call that) to be a dragon. But I don't believe in dragons, only in those created by humans in the form of art, be it in images or stories. IF the artist says it's a dragon, it's a dragon, unless it's painfully clear that it's something different (looking at Altaria). This is probably as close to my truth as I can get.

dragoniteuser January 28th, 2011 3:27 PM

@JERIICHO
Dragons are mythological, true, but you'we got more to go.
T-rex isn't an ultimate beast, and never was, as new studies show that T-rex was a scavenger rather than a predator. Dinosaurs speaking, I'd say Spinosaurus was the "ultimate beast"...

@tkallab
This... I knew you'd say that. But it's not true.
Dragons aren't what the drawer, or whatever, chooses it to be. Anything can be anything then...

What I'm looking for is what makes a dragon an animal it is.
What are they, what makes them what they are?
And there are answers, but I'll need all of them.
:D

JERIICHO January 28th, 2011 3:32 PM

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Originally Posted by dragoniteuser (Post 6424366)
@JERIICHO
Dragons are mythological, true, but you'vegot more to go.
T-rex isn't an ultimate beast, and never was, as new studies show that T-rex was a scavenger rather than a predator. Dinosaurs speaking, I'd say Spinosaurus was the "ultimate beast"...

@tkallab
This... I new you'd say that. But it's not true.
Dragons aren't what the drawer, or whatever chooses it to be. Anything can be anything then...

What I'm looking for is what makes a dragon an animal it is.
what are they, what makes them what they are?
And there are answers, but I'll need all of them.
:D

yeah you are right saying it was a scavanger but i would be to being 14-15 metres long and being 2 tonnes i wouldn't want injured and would have to pursue prey with a huge bulky head scavanging seems easier also trex brains are very complex its bigger than spinosaurs not in size but in intellect gignotosaurus is huge as in 16 metres long and standing 10 tall thats BIG but anyway back to the topic as my point stated they are well renown in the world and thats where i had dinosaurus come in from fossils that are a bit like them archeoptryx etc and lizards as connections

Maj. Cor January 29th, 2011 8:41 AM

Alright, so I forgot to fill out this little thingy the first time I tried to apply, so here's my second chance. Sorry for the overlooking. xD

Favorite Dragons?:
Dragonite, Salamence, Flygon, Garchomp, Charizard (although he isn't 'Dragon' type), Gyarados (again, not 'Dragon' type, but hey), Altaria, Giratina and Kingdra.

Should Garchomp and/or Salamence be Uber?:
Garchomp should because of his speed, and Salamence should because of his brutal attack.

Lance or Clair?
Clair, because we're both similar. But...Lance uses more variety of Dragons rather than just the Dratini evos like Clair does.

Which Dragon looks best Shiny?
Shiny Charizard, but if you're looking for shiny Dragon type, definitely shiny Flygon. Shiny Salamence and shiny Dragonite look really gross in my opinion. But I'd love to have them. :P

Giratina: 'Origin' Form or 'Another' Form?
The origin form looks like what a Dragon god should look like. So yeah, origin form.

Whats your Dragon Team?
Salamence (level 100, purebred), Dragonite (level 67, purebred), Flygon (level 68, purebred), Garchomp (level 68, purebred), Kingdra (level 67, purebred), Charizard (level 67, purebred).

Should Tyranitar be a Dragon?
Nope. Sorry, but he doesn't carry that swag that Dragons have.

What is your favorite legendary Dragon?
Giratina. The whole concept of him is amazing.

tkallab January 30th, 2011 2:24 AM

Relax, it's optional and you're already a member, Maj. Cor.

Draggy, you can't say it's not true. Yes, anything can be anything, to some degree. That limit is something clearly being something else. Like Altaria, or IRL the Komodo Dragon.
But if you want to look at the physical aspects... Dragons are just lizards with long necks. Maybe some horns too.

BIG IMAGE


Of course, this is the boring way of naming Dragons.

dragoniteuser January 30th, 2011 4:21 AM

No, dragons are not lizards, but they are reptiles. They are ALWAYS reptiles, and you'll find a lot of pictures showing fish-like, mammal-like, etc. dragon pictures. Those ARE NOT dragons, and they never will be, no matter what the artist says!
Long necks and horns are optional...

tkallab January 30th, 2011 8:13 AM

How about Gyarados? I'm willing to bet you think he's a Dragon, even though he's based on a fish.

Also, I feel the need to add a smily-face, because it feels like we're in some kind of fight and we don't want that. :)

dragoniteuser January 30th, 2011 10:54 AM

We're having a disscussion.
I thought you'd get used to that by now...

Gyarados is more of a reptile than a fish.
True, the tail doesn't really go in my favor, but the scales, mouth, ridges, etc. definetly do.

tkallab January 30th, 2011 11:09 AM

Yeah, but somehow this feels more hostile than usual... Nevermind.

Also,

>Implying that fishes don't have scales
>Implying that reptiles mave mouths like that

And I think the ridges are based on back fins, not anything reptilian.

angel January 30th, 2011 12:12 PM

The picture was adorable.

I've never thought of Gyrados as a dragon. He has the appearence of more of a sea beast then a dragon. Gryados is alomst like a huge electric eel, without the electricity.

dragoniteuser January 30th, 2011 12:29 PM

> Never said, nor implied that fish (collective noun btw) don't have scales, I'll study zoology, remember?
But fish scales and reptile scales are different.
>Nothing living has that kind of mouth... it's a pokemon... O.o

And when I said name dragon characteristics, i actually meant real, non Pokemon dragon, so all this Gyarados buisness is completly off-topic.

P.S. I'm never hostile when it comes to disscussions.

Folkedahl January 30th, 2011 4:37 PM

I want to know where you got this complete and total knowledge of a mythical beast. I can't say for sure whether or not Milotic is a dragon or not. It has the Serpent form, and I feel like serpents are at least related to dragons, but I'm not sure. I'm leaning towards yes, however.


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