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As I said, 'half plus one gets their way'. The only case where nothing would be proven was if both sides would get the same amount of votes, in which case I would have withdrawn my own vote.
We were voting because Altaria's status was already kind of disputed, that's why we had a revote. Mind you, there was already a vote long ago. I was trying to clear things up with this vote. |
Which you did.
Leave it alone Regeneration, you lost. PS: try googleing tyranny, might save you imbarrassment. |
How is it tyranny when it was neither cruel nor unjust? This was put to a vote where all members could vote. If they didn't it was their choice. What would have been tyranny is if this matter was decided by only tkallab and Sil.
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And draggy, he usually has some influence too XD
Let's drop it for now. I don't think anybody means it this way, but I feel like we're becoming a bit too hostile. Everything went according to the rules I made at the beginning, and nobody objected then. Everything went fair, no hard feelings. |
Agreed, so new topic:
If you could change a way some dragon pokemon evolve (by lvl., method, etc.) which would it be, and how would you change it? |
If you could change a way some dragon pokemon evolve (by lvl., method, etc.) which would it be, and how would you change it?
I'd change the level at which Deino evolves into Zweilous and Zxeilous evolves into Hydreigon. I think it should be high e.g. Lv38 and then Lv55. But Lv50 and then Lv64 is too much. |
I'd just make Deino evolve into Zweilous around level 35. 50 is way too high.
By the way, we're giving everyone one week to get familiar with the new Pokémon, and then we're gonna add all the new Dragon Pokémon. |
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Amen to that. But yeah, Level 64?honestly, that's just nuts, Nintendo. ~RulerArceus P.S. Sorry I havent been around much. We're moving, so they cut off the Net couple days ago. Plus I had nothin' to say about another Dragon Pre-evolution. |
I'd change Trapinch line.
trapinch > lvl. 25 > vibrava > lvl. 45. > Flygon This has a lot more sence to me... |
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Two days ago I received a message from Hiiro, a staff here at PC, regarding Altaria. The message is shown below. Quote:
Now, Hiiro was nice enough to contact me on the matter, so it seems that the voting -- while fun (and dangerous o_o) -- is at its end for Dragon-typed Pokemon. We can still hold votes for non-dragons, of course. EDIT: And, since I believe BW are out in most/all regions, we can discuss the Pokemon (although I don't think this will make a difference >_>). Like tkallab (or whoever it was) said earlier, we can get about a week to warm up to the new Pokemon before adding Dragons to the list. |
I love you, Hiiro, for taking note of our small issue! n_n
If you could change a way some dragon pokemon evolve (by lvl., method, etc.) which would it be, and how would you change it? I couldn't help but agree with this: Quote:
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If you could change a way some dragon pokemon evolve (by lvl., method, etc.) which would it be, and how would you change it?
Bagon > lvl. 15 Shelgon > lvl. 35 Salamence |
Really? Salamence is way too strong and cool for such a low level...
@Silhouette We had this disscussion before. If we can add pokemon to the club that aren't Dragon-TYPED, why would a Pokemon that is be guaranteed, without any doubt, to have a place in the club? it's a two way street. Othervise, keep only Dragon typed, cause this makes no sence at all. |
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After we did all the voting, I have to say... I agree with this now. Let's just keep it that Dragon types are Dragons too. For my own peace of mind, I consider the Dragon type to be an element that some Pokémon have, no matter if they are truly a Dragon or not. Apparently Altaria has the Dragon Element, just like Starmie happens to have the Psychic element. So, we can all say now that Altaria belongs in the Dragon's Den, wether he is a Dragon or not doesn't matter, because he has the Dragon element. I still don't think he's a Dragon, though. I hope others agree with me here. I like it when I overthink stuff and people still agree. Edit: In other words, I propose we be a club for BOTH Dragons and Dragon-types. |
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Should Garchomp and/or Salamence be Uber? From what I understand, yes. (what I understand is that they get to set up REALLY easily & just waste teams after teams.) Lance or Clair? Lance. he's actually helpful, unlike that stuck-up Clair... Which Dragon looks best Shiny? Spoiler:
Giratina: 'Origin' Form or 'Another' Form? I think I like the Another forme, AKA the great wall. Whats your Dragon Team? Spoiler:
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I think they made it that way because you can only get Deino towards the end of the game, Victory Road, to be exact. But I do whish it was like you said.....I got him and Ononokuso in my in game team... |
Hey guys!
Urm, I haven't been on in a while because I lost an interest in Pokemon for a couple of months, but I've just ordered Pokemon White and I'm going to start playing it after my exams have finished! (They finish next week or so). If you could change a way some dragon pokemon evolve (by lvl., method, etc.) which would it be, and how would you change it? Well obviously since I haven't played Pokemon Black/White yet I don't know about any of the Pokemon in there. So Imma go retro and say that Salamences evolution line neeeeeds to be changed. I mean, why does a ball of cotton (Shelgon) evolve into something as majorly awesome as Salamence! </3 |
They removed the "Forest Grovyles Legendaries" background D: I is so sad :( It was the only Latios/Latias one...
On topic: I would change the level that pupitar evolves into t-tar. I don't remember the levels, I just remember it being "too damn high!" |
It's level scheme start -> 30. lvl. -> 55.lvl. just like dragonite line...
And it's OK to me..., cause it's really a powerful Pokemon. But of course, no one in their normal mind would evolve their Pupitar into T-tar at lvl. 55, but wait one more lvl. till Pupitar learns Earthquake, AND THEN let it evolve... Which brings me to our new topic: What is, or was before, your favourite way to train your Dragon Pokemon, and what movesets did some of them have, AND why? |
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Surf Dragon Rage Thunder Wave (Maybe Hyper Beam...) I had it so I can have a in-game team with Surf & Waterfall & not have both moves on 1 pokemon. |
I prefer to level them up normally. If I have rare candies, yes, I'm using them, but they're called rare for a reason.
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Also, I'm going to add BW dragons (if I don't finish today, the rest will be up tomorrow). We can debate on non dragons if the members have educated opinions on it. Here's emphasizing the 'educated' part. EDIT: Wow, whoa, I think I read the topic wrong. My favorite WAY I trained my Dragons was having them constantly fight higher leveled Pokemon and still pwn them. This was either before I knew what EV'ing was, or after they had been EV'd. EDIT 2: Actually, uploading the BW sprites may take longer than a day... :P I might just use Bulbapedia. We'll just have to deal with no animated sprites. |
I have a theory on Altaria & wanted to know what you guys think:
My theory is that Altaria isn't a dragon, It's a bird with the same kind of energy that's usually found only within dragons. But am I the first to think of this? |
Favorite Dragons? Garchomp, Lugia, Rayquaza, Charizard, Kingdra, Giratina, Dialga, Salamence, Dragonair, Dragonite, Gyarados, Latias, Latios... Basically the majority of Dragon-types, with the exception of Gen V, seeing as I have not played it yet xD
Should Garchomp and/or Salamence be Uber? Yes actually. I know Garchomp is a pain to beat/counter if not fully prepared, and they make for massively powerful sweepers. Not wise to underestimate the strength of these two. Lance or Clair? I happen to like both, actually. Clair has an air of awesomeness and Lance is epic. Which Dragon looks best Shiny? Rayquaza! Giratina: 'Origin' Form or 'Another' Form? Origin Forme Should Tyranitar be a Dragon? No. Personally I think it's fine as it is. Changing it to dragon-type would take away its awesomeness, plus if it's changed to Dragon-type, depending on what's removed, it could be twice as weak to Ice-types. What is your favorite legendary Dragon? Toss up between Lugia and Giratina. May I join the Den, pretty please? |
May I join?
Favorite Dragons? Charizard (even though it's not technically a dragon type i still count it as a dragon), Kingdra, Salamence, Rayquaza, Girantina, Haxorus, Hydreigon, Dragonite (it was my first dragon after all ^_^ ) Should Garchomp and/or Salamence be Uber? Salamence Lance or Clair? Lance...I just love him for some reason >.> Which Dragon looks best Shiny? I'd say it's a 3 way tie between Charizard, Rayquaza, and Haxorus for me Giratina: 'Origin' Form or 'Another' Form? Origin form Whats your Dragon Team? Charizard, Kingdra, Haxorus, Hydreigon, Zekrom, Salamence (though right now i don't have Salamence and in my team i tend to leave one pokemon as a non dragon) Should Tyranitar be a Dragon? It could work but I'm fine with Tyranitar as a dark pokemon so I'd say no. What is your favorite legendary Dragon? My fav legendary dragon would have to be Rayquaza. After him would be Girantina and then Zekrom. |
Why was i removed from the members list i can't be on it all the time i have a job yanno?
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Anyway, sorry for not being online the last few days, busy... I also didn't recieve any e-mails about there being a reply to this thread, which I usually get (I'm that dedicated :D) Be addin' new peepz soon. :) |
Altaira is a dragon out of two reasons:
1) It's already more powerful than the rest of the bird Pokemon, so they probably thought it needs some more distinction from the rest... 2) It's got a mythical aura about it, which is ussually associated with dragons... |
I wish to join please! 8D
Favorite Dragons? The Dratini Family Should Garchomp and/or Salamence be Uber? Yes to both Lance or Clair? Lance Which Dragon looks best Shiny? Dragonair Giratina: 'Origin' Form or 'Another' Form? Origin Whats your Dragon Team? Dragonite, Lugia, Garchomp, Salamence, Deino, Zekrom. Should Tyranitar be a Dragon? It looks more like a Dinosaur to me, but yes. What is your favorite legendary Dragon? Palkia. |
Welcome MeiChama. ^^
Are we really going to get back into a fight about weither Altaria is a dragon? For now let's just agree to disagree. We all are allowed our own opionions. |
I'd like to know what people here think of Haxorus...
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Looks great, good stats aswell as movepoll, yet the name sucks! I prefer Ononkus...
haxorus sounds like a virus... |
Can I join?
Fav Dragons: Kingdra (on heartgold team) Dragonite (on heartgold team) Tyranitar (on heartgold team) Dragon Team: Kingdra Dragonite Tyranitar Altaria Garchomp Charizard Which dragon looks best shiny CHARIZARD |
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Which Dragon looks best shiny?: Rayquaza. |
weeeeeeeeeeee!! Dragon Type Pokemon really rocks! Can I just this Club? I really like this type of pokemon!
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I adore shiny Rayquaza. Black really suits it in my opinion.
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my Haxorus is nicknamed Ononokuso, I think hes a bit slow if he dosent have a jolly nature......other than that hes pretty good and a power house of my team........I am however finding it had to train up my deino ~.~
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Sorry for the inactivity, folks. Anyway, I never realized how insanely powerful Haxorus was. Its name sounds like a dinosaur with the 'us' at the end. XD
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I'd love to be a member dragon Pokemon are the best!!
Favorite Dragons? Dragonite and Charizard Should Garchomp and/or Salamence be Uber? Salamence Lance or Clair? Lance!!! Which Dragon looks best Shiny? Charizard Giratina: 'Origin' Form or 'Another' Form? Another its sooo great lol Whats your Dragon Team? CHarizard, Salamence, Garchomp, and Hydreigon Should Tyranitar be a Dragon? A signiicant sign of being a dragon (imo) is wings ... He's more of a dinosaur, a long lost cousin ctfu What is your favorite legendary Dragon? Rayquaza |
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Favorite Dragons? Gible-Garhomp-Salamance-Hydreigon Lance or Clair? Lance What is your favorite legendary Dragon? Rayquaza |
Haxorus is great,but the name. Everything in BW is pretty much ruined by the name. I mean, it sounds like another name for a bad Pokeflu or something. ~RulerArceus |
Am I the only 1 who likes the name Haxorus?
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I'M NOT ALONE!!! Here's what I used to have in my sig, if anyone wants to have it: (Although, this is a more proper version...) Haxorus is one of the best pokemon out there. He's shiny & tough & has a red jaw axe to boot! Copy & paste this in your sig if you love some Haxorus! |
Can I join please?
Favorite Dragons? Latios, Grachomp, Flygon, Dragonite, Haxorus Should Garchomp and/or Salamence be Uber? Garchomp for sure Lance or Clair? Lance Which Dragon looks best Shiny? Haxorus looks amazing shiny Giratina: 'Origin' Form or 'Another' Form? Origin Whats your Dragon Team? Latios, Garchomp, Haxorus, Dragonite, Flygon, Dialga Should Tyranitar be a Dragon? No, I don't consider it a dragon at all. Sure it may be powerful as a dragon but it doesn't seem as agile as a dragon should be What is your favorite legendary Dragon? Latios |
Does any one remember me? I was the on the first second and third versions of the dragon den and am finaily back! LOl
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Its not you. I think Black and White have taken them hostage....
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Favorite Dragons? Hydreigon,Garchomp,Dragonair,Lugia,Palka,Girantina,Dialga,Reshiram and Zekrom. Should Garchomp and/or Salamence be Uber? Yeah, They are dragons right? Lance or Clair? Clair Which Dragon looks best Shiny? Charizard Giratina: 'Origin' Form or 'Another' Form? Origin form is better Whats your Dragon Team? Dragonite,Garchomp,Garados,Kindra,Haxorus and Hydreigonn. Should Tyranitar be a Dragon? Yeah, Because it's looks more like a dragon than a dinosaur and it should be ground and Dragon. What is your favorite legendary Dragon? Reshiram and Zekrom. |
Welcome to the Den darkrai101 and The Nightmare.
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This place is kinda boring...
How about a new disscussion? Could Onix be considered as a dragon in your opinion? Please, if you don't know how to have a disscussion, take a look couple of pages back to see how to have arguemented disscussion... |
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& they look more like serpents (snake-like dragons from what I understand) than snakes to me... & they do learn Dragonbreath by leveling up if I remember right.... |
I don't think so. They are more rock snakes then anything. Though, I don't know how the hon comes into play since last time I checked, snaks don't have horns.
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Anyways, I don't see Onix or Steelix having any dragon qualities. I fully don't understand the Gyradoes being a dragon thing. Its more like a Sea Monster to me. |
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But you have to ask yourself, do the arms make rayquaza look like a dragon?
If not, and I'm certain everyone sees many more reasons to think of rayquaza as a dragon..., then lack of arms shouldn't be an arguement against Onix, Steelix, or any other serpent like (@ Stoney no serpent is just another word for snake...) pokemon. Don't you think? |
No...just no. Onix and Steelix are not Dragons. Sure, they learn Dragonbreath (but they can't use it due to appalling Special Attack). Gyarados has incredible similarities with many representations of Asian dragons I've seen, and has been used by Lance and other dragon-users repeatedly (check your own signature for proof, and "The Lance Clause").
I'm not trying to bring up another old argument / flamewar, but Altaria is more of a Dragon than Onix and/or Steelix, and seeing as it's not in the Den...they're not dragons either. I'm sure I could bring up more valid points if I could be bothered, but I'm only here due to boredom, and probably won't see the retaliations to this post, so I'm not going to bother. Off-topic: Don't you guys think it's cool in Black/White where you battle N, and you have Reshiram and Zekrom smashing the crap out of eachother with their epic signature moves? Or is that just me, and the rest of you sucked the fun from it by using Dragonbreath... |
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@Amore: That would have been fun but I was one of those that spoiled the fun by using Dragonbreath. Though that was mainly due to the fact that i didn't want N's dragon to use Dragonbreath first. |
I have always kinda thought of onix as a dragon type...
Remind me, does he learn any dragon moves? |
They do but movesets are never a good way of telling some pokemon's type...
And i'm not trying to get these two into club..., just wanted to have a normal disscussion about them... @Amore I wouldn't know since i've never played Black/White.... |
Okay, I'm back after a long absence. I can't promise I'll stay long, but I'm a little bit interested in this place again.
Anyway, considering Onix... Just no. I see Onix and Steelix as snakes, because Onix really has that snake-like head (despite the horn -.-) and Steelix is just its evolution, so... But, I also see a reference to the Wyrm, a limbless dragonkind that's known for his capability to dig. Not that's enough evidence for me to say Onix is a dragon, but still, it's something. |
you can't really consider Onix or Steelix as a dragon time becuase it has features of
snakes the long narrow body sure it learns dragon breath but so do Ho-oh and feebas through egg moves so it's not really in releation to any dragons just more of a rock snake or earth worm or anything what do you guys think as archeops as a dragon? |
I'd say no to Archeops being a dragon since it's obviously based off of the feathered dinosaur Archaeopteryx that's like the first version of birds. So I can only consider it as a dino or bird or both.
http://kentsimmons.uwinnipeg.ca/16cm05/1116/34-27-Archaeopteryx-L.jpg |
I agree with MoonlessMidnight, for the reasons stated by her. Couldn't have said it better myself.
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Favorite Dragons? Flygon & Altaria Should Garchomp and/or Salamence be Uber? Salamence! Lance or Clair? Clair! Which Dragon looks best Shiny? Gyarados! Giratina: 'Origin' Form or 'Another' Form? Origin form :3 Whats your Dragon Team? Latias, Flygon, Altaria & Salamence Should Tyranitar be a Dragon? sure :3 What is your favorite legendary Dragon? Latias <3 |
I'm gonna be cpt. Obvious here, and say that probably 99% of people who join here never post again...
Something should be done about this... |
I would like to become a Dragon Member. My favorite dragon type now, since the release of B/W is Haxorus. He just looks like a toughy. Lol.
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Movesets can be deciving. Even if it learns a dragon attack doesn't make it dragon. I've always seen Onix and Steelix as rock snakes. |
What does "cpt" mean?
& To me, Onix's & Steelix's faces does not look very snake like... |
It means captain. :D
Okay, granted, their faces are not THAT snakelike, but more so than dragonlike. |
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We've been through this millions of times before...
Yes, we DO know what dragons look like, and no, not anyone can decide for themselves what a dragon is supposed to look like... Mithologycal just means they're desribed in myths, or that there are some legends/myths about them... That what you saw just wasn't a wyvern then, since wyverns look like this: Spoiler:
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Wyrm is a completly different kind of dragon than wyvern...
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And well, you've seen the wyvern from my last post... |
@Stoney: You do realize that games often create made up creatures/chimera creatures that are a combination of other mythilogical/non-mythilogical creatures. As Dragoniteuser showed you a Wyrm and Wyvern are different from the creature that was in Monster Hunter Tri.
Also, dragon's may vary in looks and types but they do still have some common features and body builds that you see in many pictures of dragons. |
Lol @ the whole Onix and Steelix thing. That made my day.
As for Archeops. . . it's more like a giant ancient bird rather than some kind of pterodactyl, etc. |
Monster Hunter Tri basically assigns certain 'types' to their dragons, iirc. Amlost all land monsters are wyverns, and all water monsters are leviathans. Not a very good standard to go by...
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& Onix & Steelix look more like Wyrms than Snakes to me... |
Well, in terms of body structure, there's really no difference between a wyrm and a snake, but Onix' face is just not dragonic, and neither is Steelix'.
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Favorite Dragons? Hydreigon, Haxorus. Should Garchomp and/or Salamence be Uber? Nah. Lance or Clair? Lance. Which Dragon looks best Shiny? Haxorus hands down. Dude looks like a fricking Dark Armed Dragon. Giratina: 'Origin' Form or 'Another' Form? I think Original. Whats your Dragon Team? Well my competitive team is based on Darkness and Dragons. It has Zoroark, Hydreigon, Scrafty, Haxorus, Forretress and Jellicent. Should Tyranitar be a Dragon? I used to think so but once Hydreigon was released, I think he's fine staying Dark and Rock. What is your favorite legendary Dragon? Zekrom. |
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Well, I'll have to bring the two obvious examples here:
I don't think anyone would doubt Dratini and Dragonair being Dragons (me especially!), yet they look as much as snakes (if not more...) as Onix and Steelix! |
Maybe if some sort of dragon trainer used them...but not even Dragon Tamers (many of whom only use Gyarados) use Onix / Steelix.
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i would like to see a debate between weither aerodactyl should still be considered a dragon mainly because archeops has the same sort of body configuration it has a mouth hands on it's wings shortish legs but the only difference is feathers and a smaller head
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Archeops is based on early birds, as, from what I remember, even the pokédex states.
Aerodactyl is based on pterodactyls and the like, dinosaurs, which are reptilian, and often closely associated with dragons (dragons are often seen as direct ancestors of surviving dinosaurs). So, personally I can't see why Archeops is a dragon... Interestingly, also, Aerodactyl has a vaster range of types in its' movepool, just like most dragons, whereas Archeops' movepool is much less varied. |
This is how I see it: When in doubt, look at the typing.
If Dratini and Dragonair weren't Dragon-typed, no one would consider them Dragons. Yet, they are Dragons. Because of that typing. Onix and Steelix, on the other hand, are not Dragon-typed, and are therefor not Dragons. Also, I don't think Dragons should be made out of rocks. |
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But I'm glad too see different opinions, just as I suspected... As I said at the begining, I never meant to actually add those two to the club, but to disscuss other options regarding dragon Pokemon... I still think there are other Pokemon that are dragons and not on the list, Milotic comes to mind first, but I'll drop it since they were voted as non-dragons. So how about a new discussion? Let's discuss Druddigon..., probably one of the most terribly designed Pokemon. http://pokebeach.com/news/0211/bw/621.png |
I'm actually a fan. Apart from the Oak-leaf wings, it is pretty cool. It has great stats, with such high defences to overcome its' speed problems, and a good attack stat. It also has a pretty good movepool and...what's that? Pure dragon? No rock-type weakness? Brilliant.
So, overall, Druddigon is an absolute babe of a pokémon, and should be revered as a triumph for the Dragon-type. After all, not even Ghetsis' Hydreigon could OHKO mine, although Cheren's Haxorus' Dragon Gem-boosted STAB Outrage did once, whilst 10 levels higher. |
So..., it's a good pokemon statvise, aswell as movepoll variety...
Didn't know that, but then againg I never played B/W... :( What I was refering to is it's design and name (sereously, what's up with 5th gen names?!?!?!?!)... If the head was the same colour as the body, and the wings, well..., normal, then it would be OK with me. But... |
If it had a blue head, it'd be boring. The name's O.k, although I can see where you're coming from there, as I can with the wings.
However, I don't think it's any worse than Haxorus, although his name makes more obvious sense. |
In terms of design I hated Druddigon. Stat wise Druddigon is fine though I never use him. I preferred to use Hydragon and Haxorus. Though I must admit that I like Druddigon's design better than Kyurem's design.
The only thing that bugs me about Druddigon's design are the wings and the fact that the face is all red. Maybe if they made it look like the red part was kinda like armor and showed the bottom jaw as blue skin it may look a bit better. As for his wings...make them a different shape. |
I think Druddigon is an original take on gargoyles. Gargoyles aren't necessarily dragons, but they're usually fierce creatures with hypnotizingly creepy eyes, which Druddy kinda seems to represent. Also, Druddigon's head is most likely based on a castle's crenels. SO in terms of design, I think he's brilliant. Yes, he is ugly, but that doesn't mean he isn't designed well. He's meant to be repulsive, like a gargoyle. Plus, you can't tell me everything in nature is pretty.
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