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Regeneration March 6th, 2011 5:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tkallab (Post 6495039)
Here's what you said:
Sure, the democrats got the majority of votes, but it was pretty close, so let's vote again XD

I simply have no idea when I said this. Mind pointing out to me?
Quote:

Originally Posted by tkallab (Post 6495039)
But yeah, this is very democratic. And if you're going to call on rule 3, it was the minority who requested the voting... So yeah.

I say we've concluded the whole Altaria mess with this. But it isn't fair to say that it'll always stay this way, because there might be a shift in opinions later on. Let's just say this can't be discussed anymore until september or something, in half a year.

You're not getting my point. There wasn't any overwhelming support for Altaria not being a dragon. 54.5% votes against anything proves absolutely nothing. And the fact that you don't even want to consider placing Altaria's status as disputed itself is tyranny. :(

tkallab March 6th, 2011 6:24 AM

As I said, 'half plus one gets their way'. The only case where nothing would be proven was if both sides would get the same amount of votes, in which case I would have withdrawn my own vote.

We were voting because Altaria's status was already kind of disputed, that's why we had a revote. Mind you, there was already a vote long ago. I was trying to clear things up with this vote.

dragoniteuser March 6th, 2011 10:49 AM

Which you did.
Leave it alone Regeneration, you lost.
PS: try googleing tyranny, might save you imbarrassment.

angel March 6th, 2011 11:41 AM

How is it tyranny when it was neither cruel nor unjust? This was put to a vote where all members could vote. If they didn't it was their choice. What would have been tyranny is if this matter was decided by only tkallab and Sil.

tkallab March 6th, 2011 11:55 AM

And draggy, he usually has some influence too XD

Let's drop it for now. I don't think anybody means it this way, but I feel like we're becoming a bit too hostile. Everything went according to the rules I made at the beginning, and nobody objected then. Everything went fair, no hard feelings.

dragoniteuser March 7th, 2011 2:04 AM

Agreed, so new topic:
If you could change a way some dragon pokemon evolve (by lvl., method, etc.) which would it be, and how would you change it?

vaporeon7 March 7th, 2011 5:32 AM

If you could change a way some dragon pokemon evolve (by lvl., method, etc.) which would it be, and how would you change it?

I'd change the level at which Deino evolves into Zweilous and Zxeilous evolves into Hydreigon. I think it should be high e.g. Lv38 and then Lv55. But Lv50 and then Lv64 is too much.

tkallab March 7th, 2011 7:06 AM

I'd just make Deino evolve into Zweilous around level 35. 50 is way too high.

By the way, we're giving everyone one week to get familiar with the new Pokémon, and then we're gonna add all the new Dragon Pokémon.

RulerArceus March 8th, 2011 5:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vaporeon7 (Post 6496945)
If you could change a way some dragon pokemon evolve (by lvl., method, etc.) which would it be, and how would you change it?

I'd change the level at which Deino evolves into Zweilous and Zxeilous evolves into Hydreigon. I think it should be high e.g. Lv38 and then Lv55. But Lv50 and then Lv64 is too much.

Amen to that.
But yeah, Level 64?honestly, that's just nuts, Nintendo.
~RulerArceus
P.S. Sorry I havent been around much. We're moving, so they cut off the Net couple days ago.
Plus I had nothin' to say about another Dragon Pre-evolution.

dragoniteuser March 8th, 2011 11:59 AM

I'd change Trapinch line.
trapinch > lvl. 25 > vibrava > lvl. 45. > Flygon

This has a lot more sence to me...

Silhouette March 8th, 2011 6:34 PM

IMPORTANT NOTICE:

Two days ago I received a message from Hiiro, a staff here at PC, regarding Altaria. The message is shown below.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Hiiro
Hi there, Silhouette, remember me? I used to be an old co-owner of the Dragon's Fan club over at Pokémon Groups. I went by the name of f l a s h. Anyway, the reason why I'm sending you this message is because it seems like the members and co-owners of the group has the wrong idea about the club. They say it's about the POKEMON and not the TYPE. Well, that's not true. Under the index we have you guys under the Types category, meaning your club is there to discuss about the Pokémon and the Type as well. So you might want to let them know this, and if it wasn't about the type, then that means we'd need to have a club about the Dragon Pokémon (yours) and a club on the Dragon Type which I'm sure you'll agree that that is absolutely redundant.

Having said that, it seems this is enough reasoning to keep Altaria in the group as it is part Dragon-type. There's really no reason to have a vote on it, because just because one doesn't think of it as a Dragon type at the end of the day it's classified as one officially by its typing.

...but anyway, does this sound good to you? At least letting your members know your club isn't just for the Pokémon themselves, but the type as well.

I bolded the important part.

Now, Hiiro was nice enough to contact me on the matter, so it seems that the voting -- while fun (and dangerous o_o) -- is at its end for Dragon-typed Pokemon. We can still hold votes for non-dragons, of course.

EDIT: And, since I believe BW are out in most/all regions, we can discuss the Pokemon (although I don't think this will make a difference >_>). Like tkallab (or whoever it was) said earlier, we can get about a week to warm up to the new Pokemon before adding Dragons to the list.

Regeneration March 8th, 2011 8:24 PM

I love you, Hiiro, for taking note of our small issue! n_n

If you could change a way some dragon pokemon evolve (by lvl., method, etc.) which would it be, and how would you change it?
I couldn't help but agree with this:
Quote:

I'd change the level at which Deino evolves into Zweilous and Zxeilous evolves into Hydreigon. I think it should be high e.g. Lv38 and then Lv55. But Lv50 and then Lv64 is too much.

Makbets March 9th, 2011 6:55 AM

If you could change a way some dragon pokemon evolve (by lvl., method, etc.) which would it be, and how would you change it?

Bagon > lvl. 15 Shelgon > lvl. 35 Salamence

dragoniteuser March 9th, 2011 9:32 AM

Really? Salamence is way too strong and cool for such a low level...

@Silhouette
We had this disscussion before. If we can add pokemon to the club that aren't Dragon-TYPED, why would a Pokemon that is be guaranteed, without any doubt, to have a place in the club?
it's a two way street. Othervise, keep only Dragon typed, cause this makes no sence at all.

Makbets March 9th, 2011 9:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dragoniteuser (Post 6500313)
Really? Salamence is way too strong and cool for such a low level...

I quess your right lvl 45 would be better...

tkallab March 9th, 2011 11:32 AM

@ Silhouette:

After we did all the voting, I have to say... I agree with this now. Let's just keep it that Dragon types are Dragons too. For my own peace of mind, I consider the Dragon type to be an element that some Pokémon have, no matter if they are truly a Dragon or not. Apparently Altaria has the Dragon Element, just like Starmie happens to have the Psychic element.
So, we can all say now that Altaria belongs in the Dragon's Den, wether he is a Dragon or not doesn't matter, because he has the Dragon element. I still don't think he's a Dragon, though.

I hope others agree with me here. I like it when I overthink stuff and people still agree.

Edit: In other words, I propose we be a club for BOTH Dragons and Dragon-types.

SmashBrony March 9th, 2011 2:06 PM

I'd like to join...
Spoiler:
& if I could, I'd change my name to Stoney the Haxorus...


Favorite Dragons?
Latias.
Spoiler:
But my true favorite is Haxorus...


Should Garchomp and/or Salamence be Uber?
From what I understand, yes.
(what I understand is that they get to set up REALLY easily & just waste teams after teams.)

Lance or Clair?
Lance. he's actually helpful, unlike that stuck-up Clair...

Which Dragon looks best Shiny?
Spoiler:
Haxorus.


Giratina: 'Origin' Form or 'Another' Form?
I think I like the Another forme, AKA the great wall.

Whats your Dragon Team?
Spoiler:
Haxorus x6. (ok, this wouldn't be my actual dragon team, but this is what I came up with in .001 seconds.)


Should Tyranitar be a Dragon?
Judging by apperance & performance, I'd call it a pseudo-dragon.
so, yeah.

What is your favorite legendary Dragon?
Latias.
Spoiler:
In the 5th gen, a tie between Latias & Zekrom.

treecko0 March 11th, 2011 1:46 PM

If you could change a way some dragon pokemon evolve (by lvl., method, etc.) which would it be, and how would you change it?

I the trapinch one and

Quote:

Originally Posted by vaporeon7 (Post 6496945)
If you could change a way some dragon pokemon evolve (by lvl., method, etc.) which would it be, and how would you change it?

I'd change the level at which Deino evolves into Zweilous and Zxeilous evolves into Hydreigon. I think it should be high e.g. Lv38 and then Lv55. But Lv50 and then Lv64 is too much.


I think they made it that way because you can only get Deino towards the end of the game, Victory Road, to be exact. But I do whish it was like you said.....I got him and Ononokuso in my in game team...

Dooonerz March 12th, 2011 1:20 AM

Hey guys!
Urm, I haven't been on in a while because I lost an interest in Pokemon for a couple of months, but I've just ordered Pokemon White and I'm going to start playing it after my exams have finished! (They finish next week or so).
If you could change a way some dragon pokemon evolve (by lvl., method, etc.) which would it be, and how would you change it?
Well obviously since I haven't played Pokemon Black/White yet I don't know about any of the Pokemon in there. So Imma go retro and say that Salamences evolution line neeeeeds to be changed. I mean, why does a ball of cotton (Shelgon) evolve into something as majorly awesome as Salamence! </3

zapdos926 March 13th, 2011 7:57 PM

They removed the "Forest Grovyles Legendaries" background D: I is so sad :( It was the only Latios/Latias one...

On topic: I would change the level that pupitar evolves into t-tar. I don't remember the levels, I just remember it being "too damn high!"

dragoniteuser March 14th, 2011 8:44 AM

It's level scheme start -> 30. lvl. -> 55.lvl. just like dragonite line...
And it's OK to me..., cause it's really a powerful Pokemon.
But of course, no one in their normal mind would evolve their Pupitar into T-tar at lvl. 55, but wait one more lvl. till Pupitar learns Earthquake, AND THEN let it evolve...

Which brings me to our new topic:
What is, or was before, your favourite way to train your Dragon Pokemon, and what movesets did some of them have, AND why?

SmashBrony March 14th, 2011 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dragoniteuser (Post 6509558)
It's level scheme start -> 30. lvl. -> 55.lvl. just like dragonite line...
And it's OK to me..., cause it's really a powerful Pokemon.
But of course, no one in their normal mind would evolve their Pupitar into T-tar at lvl. 55, but wait one more lvl. till Pupitar learns Earthquake, AND THEN let it evolve...

Which brings me to our new topic:
What is, or was before, your favourite way to train your Dragon Pokemon, and what movesets did some of them have, AND why?

The most recent Dragon I had, a Dragonair, had:
Surf
Dragon Rage
Thunder Wave
(Maybe Hyper Beam...)
I had it so I can have a in-game team with Surf & Waterfall & not have both moves on 1 pokemon.

zapdos926 March 14th, 2011 1:42 PM

I prefer to level them up normally. If I have rare candies, yes, I'm using them, but they're called rare for a reason.

Silhouette March 16th, 2011 3:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dragoniteuser (Post 6509558)

What is, or was before, your favourite way to train your Dragon Pokemon, and what movesets did some of them have, AND why?

Oh man, I definitely have to say my Garchomp. Only him and my Tyranitar I remember training out of all my dragons, and the specific Tyranitar isn't EV'd. Therefore bringing my choice to the 'Chomp.

Also, I'm going to add BW dragons (if I don't finish today, the rest will be up tomorrow). We can debate on non dragons if the members have educated opinions on it. Here's emphasizing the 'educated' part.

EDIT: Wow, whoa, I think I read the topic wrong. My favorite WAY I trained my Dragons was having them constantly fight higher leveled Pokemon and still pwn them. This was either before I knew what EV'ing was, or after they had been EV'd.

EDIT 2: Actually, uploading the BW sprites may take longer than a day... :P I might just use Bulbapedia. We'll just have to deal with no animated sprites.

SmashBrony March 16th, 2011 5:59 PM

I have a theory on Altaria & wanted to know what you guys think:

My theory is that Altaria isn't a dragon, It's a bird with the same kind of energy that's usually found only within dragons.

But am I the first to think of this?

The Ice Type March 17th, 2011 3:30 AM

Favorite Dragons? Garchomp, Lugia, Rayquaza, Charizard, Kingdra, Giratina, Dialga, Salamence, Dragonair, Dragonite, Gyarados, Latias, Latios... Basically the majority of Dragon-types, with the exception of Gen V, seeing as I have not played it yet xD
Should Garchomp and/or Salamence be Uber? Yes actually. I know Garchomp is a pain to beat/counter if not fully prepared, and they make for massively powerful sweepers. Not wise to underestimate the strength of these two.
Lance or Clair? I happen to like both, actually. Clair has an air of awesomeness and Lance is epic.
Which Dragon looks best Shiny? Rayquaza!
Giratina: 'Origin' Form or 'Another' Form? Origin Forme
Should Tyranitar be a Dragon? No. Personally I think it's fine as it is. Changing it to dragon-type would take away its awesomeness, plus if it's changed to Dragon-type, depending on what's removed, it could be twice as weak to Ice-types.
What is your favorite legendary Dragon? Toss up between Lugia and Giratina.

May I join the Den, pretty please?

MoonlessMidnight March 17th, 2011 8:07 AM

May I join?

Favorite Dragons?
Charizard (even though it's not technically a dragon type i still count it as a dragon), Kingdra, Salamence, Rayquaza, Girantina, Haxorus, Hydreigon, Dragonite (it was my first dragon after all ^_^ )
Should Garchomp and/or Salamence be Uber?
Salamence
Lance or Clair?
Lance...I just love him for some reason >.>
Which Dragon looks best Shiny?
I'd say it's a 3 way tie between Charizard, Rayquaza, and Haxorus for me
Giratina: 'Origin' Form or 'Another' Form?
Origin form
Whats your Dragon Team?
Charizard, Kingdra, Haxorus, Hydreigon, Zekrom, Salamence (though right now i don't have Salamence and in my team i tend to leave one pokemon as a non dragon)
Should Tyranitar be a Dragon?
It could work but I'm fine with Tyranitar as a dark pokemon so I'd say no.
What is your favorite legendary Dragon?
My fav legendary dragon would have to be Rayquaza. After him would be Girantina and then Zekrom.

JERIICHO March 17th, 2011 10:44 AM

Why was i removed from the members list i can't be on it all the time i have a job yanno?

angel March 17th, 2011 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JERIICHO (Post 6516283)
Why was i removed from the members list i can't be on it all the time i have a job yanno?

You're still on the list, sweetie.

Anyways, I just go around battling trainers. I've never understood EV training..

tkallab March 19th, 2011 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stoney the Togekiss (Post 6515040)
I have a theory on Altaria & wanted to know what you guys think:

My theory is that Altaria isn't a dragon, It's a bird with the same kind of energy that's usually found only within dragons.

But am I the first to think of this?

Quote:

Originally Posted by tkallab
Let's just keep it that Dragon types are Dragons too. For my own peace of mind, I consider the Dragon type to be an element that some Pokémon have, no matter if they are truly a Dragon or not. Apparently Altaria has the Dragon Element, just like Starmie happens to have the Psychic element.
So, we can all say now that Altaria belongs in the Dragon's Den, wether he is a Dragon or not doesn't matter, because he has the Dragon element. I still don't think he's a Dragon, though.

Nope, I was just before you ^^

Anyway, sorry for not being online the last few days, busy... I also didn't recieve any e-mails about there being a reply to this thread, which I usually get (I'm that dedicated :D)

Be addin' new peepz soon. :)

dragoniteuser March 19th, 2011 11:28 AM

Altaira is a dragon out of two reasons:
1) It's already more powerful than the rest of the bird Pokemon, so they probably thought it needs some more distinction from the rest...
2) It's got a mythical aura about it, which is ussually associated with dragons...

MeiChama March 21st, 2011 12:38 PM

I wish to join please! 8D

Favorite Dragons? The Dratini Family
Should Garchomp and/or Salamence be Uber? Yes to both
Lance or Clair? Lance
Which Dragon looks best Shiny? Dragonair
Giratina: 'Origin' Form or 'Another' Form? Origin
Whats your Dragon Team? Dragonite, Lugia, Garchomp, Salamence, Deino, Zekrom.
Should Tyranitar be a Dragon? It looks more like a Dinosaur to me, but yes.
What is your favorite legendary Dragon? Palkia.

angel March 25th, 2011 5:13 PM

Welcome MeiChama. ^^

Are we really going to get back into a fight about weither Altaria is a dragon? For now let's just agree to disagree. We all are allowed our own opionions.

SmashBrony March 26th, 2011 9:48 AM

I'd like to know what people here think of Haxorus...

dragoniteuser March 27th, 2011 3:15 AM

Looks great, good stats aswell as movepoll, yet the name sucks! I prefer Ononkus...
haxorus sounds like a virus...

sak5222 March 27th, 2011 4:20 AM

Can I join?

Fav Dragons:
Kingdra (on heartgold team)
Dragonite (on heartgold team)
Tyranitar (on heartgold team)

Dragon Team:
Kingdra
Dragonite
Tyranitar
Altaria
Garchomp
Charizard

Which dragon looks best shiny

CHARIZARD

SmashBrony March 27th, 2011 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dragoniteuser (Post 6537636)
Looks great, good stats aswell as movepoll, yet the name sucks! I prefer Ononkus...
haxorus sounds like a virus...

Honestly, I like Haxorus better than I do any other pokemon names...
(I think it's because of the X.... I just got it stuck in my head that any name with a X in it is awesome, like Mega Man X...)

Censen.Morris March 27th, 2011 2:25 PM

Can I join?

Which Dragon looks best shiny?: Rayquaza.

will143 March 28th, 2011 2:15 AM

weeeeeeeeeeee!! Dragon Type Pokemon really rocks! Can I just this Club? I really like this type of pokemon!

vaporeon7 March 28th, 2011 3:13 AM

I adore shiny Rayquaza. Black really suits it in my opinion.

treecko0 March 28th, 2011 11:24 AM

my Haxorus is nicknamed Ononokuso, I think hes a bit slow if he dosent have a jolly nature......other than that hes pretty good and a power house of my team........I am however finding it had to train up my deino ~.~

Silhouette March 28th, 2011 5:06 PM

Sorry for the inactivity, folks. Anyway, I never realized how insanely powerful Haxorus was. Its name sounds like a dinosaur with the 'us' at the end. XD

cjakabuck90 March 30th, 2011 7:31 PM

I'd love to be a member dragon Pokemon are the best!!

Favorite Dragons? Dragonite and Charizard
Should Garchomp and/or Salamence be Uber? Salamence
Lance or Clair? Lance!!!
Which Dragon looks best Shiny? Charizard
Giratina: 'Origin' Form or 'Another' Form? Another its sooo great lol
Whats your Dragon Team? CHarizard, Salamence, Garchomp, and Hydreigon
Should Tyranitar be a Dragon? A signiicant sign of being a dragon (imo) is wings ... He's more of a dinosaur, a long lost cousin ctfu
What is your favorite legendary Dragon? Rayquaza

ninjaegg April 1st, 2011 6:30 PM

I would like to join
Favorite Dragons?
Gible-Garhomp-Salamance-Hydreigon
Lance or Clair?
Lance
What is your favorite legendary Dragon?
Rayquaza

RulerArceus April 2nd, 2011 4:13 AM

Haxorus is great,but the name.
Everything in BW is pretty much ruined by the name.
I mean, it sounds like another name for a bad Pokeflu or something.
~RulerArceus

SmashBrony April 3rd, 2011 2:00 PM

Am I the only 1 who likes the name Haxorus?

Silhouette April 4th, 2011 2:33 PM

Welcome to all the new members.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stoney the Togekiss (Post 6554309)
Am I the only 1 who likes the name Haxorus?

Nah, I'm liking Haxorus's name, too.

SmashBrony April 5th, 2011 9:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silhouette (Post 6556518)
Welcome to all the new members.



Nah, I'm liking Haxorus's name, too.

YAY!!!
I'M NOT ALONE!!!

Here's what I used to have in my sig, if anyone wants to have it: (Although, this is a more proper version...)

Haxorus is one of the best pokemon out there. He's shiny & tough & has a red jaw axe to boot! Copy & paste this in your sig if you love some Haxorus!

nate890 April 5th, 2011 11:45 AM

Can I join please?

Favorite Dragons?
Latios, Grachomp, Flygon, Dragonite, Haxorus

Should Garchomp and/or Salamence be Uber?
Garchomp for sure

Lance or Clair?
Lance

Which Dragon looks best Shiny?
Haxorus looks amazing shiny

Giratina: 'Origin' Form or 'Another' Form?
Origin

Whats your Dragon Team?
Latios, Garchomp, Haxorus, Dragonite, Flygon, Dialga

Should Tyranitar be a Dragon?
No, I don't consider it a dragon at all. Sure it may be powerful as a dragon but it doesn't seem as agile as a dragon should be

What is your favorite legendary Dragon?
Latios

Darkrai101 April 6th, 2011 4:23 AM

Does any one remember me? I was the on the first second and third versions of the dragon den and am finaily back! LOl

angel April 9th, 2011 5:26 PM

Its not you. I think Black and White have taken them hostage....

SmashBrony April 9th, 2011 7:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by angel (Post 6567479)
Its not you. I think Black and White have taken them hostage....

Not me... my aunt held me hostage for awhile, but I'm back now.

The Nightmare April 9th, 2011 11:16 PM

Can I Join!

Favorite Dragons?
Hydreigon,Garchomp,Dragonair,Lugia,Palka,Girantina,Dialga,Reshiram and Zekrom.
Should Garchomp and/or Salamence be Uber?
Yeah, They are dragons right?
Lance or Clair?
Clair
Which Dragon looks best Shiny?
Charizard
Giratina: 'Origin' Form or 'Another' Form?
Origin form is better
Whats your Dragon Team?
Dragonite,Garchomp,Garados,Kindra,Haxorus and Hydreigonn.
Should Tyranitar be a Dragon?
Yeah, Because it's looks more like a dragon than a dinosaur and it should be ground and Dragon.
What is your favorite legendary Dragon?
Reshiram and Zekrom.

Silhouette April 10th, 2011 2:36 PM

Welcome to the Den darkrai101 and The Nightmare.

dragoniteuser April 11th, 2011 9:25 AM

This place is kinda boring...
How about a new disscussion?

Could Onix be considered as a dragon in your opinion?
Please, if you don't know how to have a disscussion, take a look couple of pages back to see how to have arguemented disscussion...

SmashBrony April 11th, 2011 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dragoniteuser (Post 6571191)
This place is kinda boring...
How about a new disscussion?

Could Onix be considered as a dragon in your opinion?
Please, if you don't know how to have a disscussion, take a look couple of pages back to see how to have arguemented disscussion...

Well, if Gyarados is considered a dragon, why not Onix & Steelix?
& they look more like serpents (snake-like dragons from what I understand) than snakes to me... & they do learn Dragonbreath by leveling up if I remember right....

angel April 11th, 2011 10:56 AM

I don't think so. They are more rock snakes then anything. Though, I don't know how the hon comes into play since last time I checked, snaks don't have horns.

SmashBrony April 11th, 2011 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by angel (Post 6571341)
I don't think so. They are more rock snakes then anything. Though, I don't know how the hon comes into play since last time I checked, snaks don't have horns.

Rhinoceros Vipers do.
But they're small ones.

angel April 11th, 2011 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stoney the Togekiss (Post 6571380)
Rhinoceros Vipers do.
But they're small ones.

Ah. Thank you. Onix's horn is small.

Anyways, I don't see Onix or Steelix having any dragon qualities. I fully don't understand the Gyradoes being a dragon thing. Its more like a Sea Monster to me.

MoonlessMidnight April 11th, 2011 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by angel (Post 6571422)
Ah. Thank you. Onix's horn is small.

Anyways, I don't see Onix or Steelix having any dragon qualities. I fully don't understand the Gyradoes being a dragon thing. Its more like a Sea Monster to me.

Yeah, I only see Onix and Steelix as rock/steel snakes instead of dragons since they don't have much of any dragon qualities. As for Gyrados; you could argue that he's more of an asian styled dragon pokemon missing the arms. If you think that way he'd be similar to Rayquaza except for the fact that Rayquaza has the arms.

dragoniteuser April 12th, 2011 8:04 AM

But you have to ask yourself, do the arms make rayquaza look like a dragon?
If not, and I'm certain everyone sees many more reasons to think of rayquaza as a dragon..., then lack of arms shouldn't be an arguement against Onix, Steelix, or any other serpent like (@ Stoney no serpent is just another word for snake...) pokemon. Don't you think?

Amore April 13th, 2011 1:15 PM

No...just no. Onix and Steelix are not Dragons. Sure, they learn Dragonbreath (but they can't use it due to appalling Special Attack). Gyarados has incredible similarities with many representations of Asian dragons I've seen, and has been used by Lance and other dragon-users repeatedly (check your own signature for proof, and "The Lance Clause").

I'm not trying to bring up another old argument / flamewar, but Altaria is more of a Dragon than Onix and/or Steelix, and seeing as it's not in the Den...they're not dragons either. I'm sure I could bring up more valid points if I could be bothered, but I'm only here due to boredom, and probably won't see the retaliations to this post, so I'm not going to bother.

Off-topic: Don't you guys think it's cool in Black/White where you battle N, and you have Reshiram and Zekrom smashing the crap out of eachother with their epic signature moves? Or is that just me, and the rest of you sucked the fun from it by using Dragonbreath...

MoonlessMidnight April 14th, 2011 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dragoniteuser (Post 6573315)
But you have to ask yourself, do the arms make rayquaza look like a dragon?
If not, and I'm certain everyone sees many more reasons to think of rayquaza as a dragon..., then lack of arms shouldn't be an arguement against Onix, Steelix, or any other serpent like (@ Stoney no serpent is just another word for snake...) pokemon. Don't you think?

That's true. I don't really know why but Onix, Steelix, and other snake pokemon just don't seem to have any features that look dragon like compared to say Rayquaza or Gyrados....I do know in mythology there are serpentine like dragons but they still have something about them that makes them seem more like dragons. I don't even get an inkling of that feeling with other serpentine pokemon.

@Amore: That would have been fun but I was one of those that spoiled the fun by using Dragonbreath. Though that was mainly due to the fact that i didn't want N's dragon to use Dragonbreath first.

Darkrai101 April 14th, 2011 3:41 PM

I have always kinda thought of onix as a dragon type...
Remind me, does he learn any dragon moves?

dragoniteuser April 15th, 2011 10:06 AM

They do but movesets are never a good way of telling some pokemon's type...
And i'm not trying to get these two into club..., just wanted to have a normal disscussion about them...
@Amore
I wouldn't know since i've never played Black/White....

tkallab April 15th, 2011 1:12 PM

Okay, I'm back after a long absence. I can't promise I'll stay long, but I'm a little bit interested in this place again.
Anyway, considering Onix... Just no. I see Onix and Steelix as snakes, because Onix really has that snake-like head (despite the horn -.-) and Steelix is just its evolution, so... But, I also see a reference to the Wyrm, a limbless dragonkind that's known for his capability to dig. Not that's enough evidence for me to say Onix is a dragon, but still, it's something.

JERIICHO April 16th, 2011 2:27 AM

you can't really consider Onix or Steelix as a dragon time becuase it has features of
snakes the long narrow body sure it learns dragon breath but so do Ho-oh and feebas through egg moves so it's not really in releation to any dragons just more of a rock snake or earth worm or anything

what do you guys think as archeops as a dragon?

MoonlessMidnight April 16th, 2011 3:22 AM

I'd say no to Archeops being a dragon since it's obviously based off of the feathered dinosaur Archaeopteryx that's like the first version of birds. So I can only consider it as a dino or bird or both.

http://kentsimmons.uwinnipeg.ca/16cm05/1116/34-27-Archaeopteryx-L.jpg

tkallab April 16th, 2011 5:00 AM

I agree with MoonlessMidnight, for the reasons stated by her. Couldn't have said it better myself.

SmashBrony April 16th, 2011 1:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tkallab (Post 6581282)
I agree with MoonlessMidnight, for the reasons stated by her. Couldn't have said it better myself.

Ditto!

& I call the creature Archie, as I'm not sure on how to correctly say it's full name & it looks hard to...

Tamaneko April 18th, 2011 5:54 PM

Can I join? :D

Favorite Dragons? Flygon & Altaria
Should Garchomp and/or Salamence be Uber? Salamence!
Lance or Clair? Clair!
Which Dragon looks best Shiny? Gyarados!
Giratina: 'Origin' Form or 'Another' Form? Origin form :3
Whats your Dragon Team? Latias, Flygon, Altaria & Salamence
Should Tyranitar be a Dragon? sure :3
What is your favorite legendary Dragon? Latias <3

dragoniteuser April 19th, 2011 12:36 AM

I'm gonna be cpt. Obvious here, and say that probably 99% of people who join here never post again...
Something should be done about this...

Shiny_Scyther April 19th, 2011 7:08 AM

I would like to become a Dragon Member. My favorite dragon type now, since the release of B/W is Haxorus. He just looks like a toughy. Lol.

angel April 19th, 2011 7:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dragoniteuser (Post 6588563)
I'm gonna be cpt. Obvious here, and say that probably 99% of people who join here never post again...
Something should be done about this...

I agree with this. We've had some people join in the past week and only a couple have posted.

Movesets can be deciving. Even if it learns a dragon attack doesn't make it dragon. I've always seen Onix and Steelix as rock snakes.

SmashBrony April 19th, 2011 9:26 AM

What does "cpt" mean?
& To me, Onix's & Steelix's faces does not look very snake like...

tkallab April 19th, 2011 9:35 AM

It means captain. :D

Okay, granted, their faces are not THAT snakelike, but more so than dragonlike.

SmashBrony April 19th, 2011 9:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tkallab (Post 6589303)
It means captain. :D

Okay, granted, their faces are not THAT snakelike, but more so than dragonlike.

Oh, ok.

& can anyone really say what dragons look like?

They're mythical creatures & can look however people want them to...

Heck, I've seen a wyvern that looks similar to a saber-toothed cat!

dragoniteuser April 19th, 2011 9:51 AM

We've been through this millions of times before...
Yes, we DO know what dragons look like, and no, not anyone can decide for themselves what a dragon is supposed to look like... Mithologycal just means they're desribed in myths, or that there are some legends/myths about them...
That what you saw just wasn't a wyvern then, since wyverns look like this:

SmashBrony April 19th, 2011 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dragoniteuser (Post 6589333)
We've been through this millions of times before...
Yes, we DO know what dragons look like, and no, not anyone can decide for themselves what a dragon is supposed to look like... Mithologycal just means they're desribed in myths, or that there are some legends/myths about them...
That what you saw just wasn't a wyvern then, since wyverns look like this:

It was a creature off of Monster Hunter Tri, called the Barioth.
It was classified as a FlyWyrm (Flying Wyvern).

EDITED IN:
Not trying to cause problems, just saying what they (the makers of the game) classified the Barioth as.

dragoniteuser April 19th, 2011 10:20 AM

Wyrm is a completly different kind of dragon than wyvern...
This is what wyrm looks like:

And well, you've seen the wyvern from my last post...

MoonlessMidnight April 19th, 2011 1:25 PM

@Stoney: You do realize that games often create made up creatures/chimera creatures that are a combination of other mythilogical/non-mythilogical creatures. As Dragoniteuser showed you a Wyrm and Wyvern are different from the creature that was in Monster Hunter Tri.

Also, dragon's may vary in looks and types but they do still have some common features and body builds that you see in many pictures of dragons.

Silhouette April 20th, 2011 12:02 PM

Lol @ the whole Onix and Steelix thing. That made my day.

As for Archeops. . . it's more like a giant ancient bird rather than some kind of pterodactyl, etc.

tkallab April 20th, 2011 12:35 PM

Monster Hunter Tri basically assigns certain 'types' to their dragons, iirc. Amlost all land monsters are wyverns, and all water monsters are leviathans. Not a very good standard to go by...

SmashBrony April 20th, 2011 1:12 PM

Ok, I've learned a few more things about dragons...

& Onix & Steelix look more like Wyrms than Snakes to me...

tkallab April 21st, 2011 6:04 AM

Well, in terms of body structure, there's really no difference between a wyrm and a snake, but Onix' face is just not dragonic, and neither is Steelix'.

MoonlessMidnight April 21st, 2011 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tkallab (Post 6594121)
Well, in terms of body structure, there's really no difference between a wyrm and a snake, but Onix' face is just not dragonic, and neither is Steelix'.

I Agree; the build of their bodies may be similar but the facial features just don't look much like a dragon's.

Overlord Drakow April 22nd, 2011 1:34 AM

Sign me up.

Favorite Dragons? Hydreigon, Haxorus.
Should Garchomp and/or Salamence be Uber? Nah.
Lance or Clair? Lance.
Which Dragon looks best Shiny? Haxorus hands down. Dude looks like a fricking Dark Armed Dragon.
Giratina: 'Origin' Form or 'Another' Form? I think Original.
Whats your Dragon Team? Well my competitive team is based on Darkness and Dragons. It has Zoroark, Hydreigon, Scrafty, Haxorus, Forretress and Jellicent.
Should Tyranitar be a Dragon? I used to think so but once Hydreigon was released, I think he's fine staying Dark and Rock.
What is your favorite legendary Dragon? Zekrom.

SmashBrony April 22nd, 2011 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MoonlessMidnight (Post 6594911)
I Agree; the build of their bodies may be similar but the facial features just don't look much like a dragon's.

& they look even less like snakes...
(Regarding their faces)

dragoniteuser April 22nd, 2011 12:00 PM

Well, I'll have to bring the two obvious examples here:
I don't think anyone would doubt Dratini and Dragonair being Dragons (me especially!), yet they look as much as snakes (if not more...) as Onix and Steelix!

Amore April 22nd, 2011 12:10 PM

Maybe if some sort of dragon trainer used them...but not even Dragon Tamers (many of whom only use Gyarados) use Onix / Steelix.

JERIICHO April 23rd, 2011 5:30 AM

i would like to see a debate between weither aerodactyl should still be considered a dragon mainly because archeops has the same sort of body configuration it has a mouth hands on it's wings shortish legs but the only difference is feathers and a smaller head

Amore April 23rd, 2011 6:01 AM

Archeops is based on early birds, as, from what I remember, even the pokédex states.

Aerodactyl is based on pterodactyls and the like, dinosaurs, which are reptilian, and often closely associated with dragons (dragons are often seen as direct ancestors of surviving dinosaurs).

So, personally I can't see why Archeops is a dragon...

Interestingly, also, Aerodactyl has a vaster range of types in its' movepool, just like most dragons, whereas Archeops' movepool is much less varied.

tkallab April 23rd, 2011 6:26 AM

This is how I see it: When in doubt, look at the typing.
If Dratini and Dragonair weren't Dragon-typed, no one would consider them Dragons. Yet, they are Dragons. Because of that typing. Onix and Steelix, on the other hand, are not Dragon-typed, and are therefor not Dragons.

Also, I don't think Dragons should be made out of rocks.

dragoniteuser April 23rd, 2011 9:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tkallab (Post 6599143)
Also, I don't think Dragons should be made out of rocks.

You mean like Aerodactyl and T-tar? LOL

But I'm glad too see different opinions, just as I suspected... As I said at the begining, I never meant to actually add those two to the club, but to disscuss other options regarding dragon Pokemon...
I still think there are other Pokemon that are dragons and not on the list, Milotic comes to mind first, but I'll drop it since they were voted as non-dragons.

So how about a new discussion?
Let's discuss Druddigon..., probably one of the most terribly designed Pokemon.
http://pokebeach.com/news/0211/bw/621.png

Amore April 23rd, 2011 1:03 PM

I'm actually a fan. Apart from the Oak-leaf wings, it is pretty cool. It has great stats, with such high defences to overcome its' speed problems, and a good attack stat. It also has a pretty good movepool and...what's that? Pure dragon? No rock-type weakness? Brilliant.

So, overall, Druddigon is an absolute babe of a pokémon, and should be revered as a triumph for the Dragon-type. After all, not even Ghetsis' Hydreigon could OHKO mine, although Cheren's Haxorus' Dragon Gem-boosted STAB Outrage did once, whilst 10 levels higher.

dragoniteuser April 23rd, 2011 1:39 PM

So..., it's a good pokemon statvise, aswell as movepoll variety...
Didn't know that, but then againg I never played B/W... :(
What I was refering to is it's design and name (sereously, what's up with 5th gen names?!?!?!?!)...
If the head was the same colour as the body, and the wings, well..., normal, then it would be OK with me. But...

Amore April 23rd, 2011 1:46 PM

If it had a blue head, it'd be boring. The name's O.k, although I can see where you're coming from there, as I can with the wings.
However, I don't think it's any worse than Haxorus, although his name makes more obvious sense.

MoonlessMidnight April 23rd, 2011 5:48 PM

In terms of design I hated Druddigon. Stat wise Druddigon is fine though I never use him. I preferred to use Hydragon and Haxorus. Though I must admit that I like Druddigon's design better than Kyurem's design.

The only thing that bugs me about Druddigon's design are the wings and the fact that the face is all red. Maybe if they made it look like the red part was kinda like armor and showed the bottom jaw as blue skin it may look a bit better. As for his wings...make them a different shape.

tkallab April 24th, 2011 10:10 AM

I think Druddigon is an original take on gargoyles. Gargoyles aren't necessarily dragons, but they're usually fierce creatures with hypnotizingly creepy eyes, which Druddy kinda seems to represent. Also, Druddigon's head is most likely based on a castle's crenels. SO in terms of design, I think he's brilliant. Yes, he is ugly, but that doesn't mean he isn't designed well. He's meant to be repulsive, like a gargoyle. Plus, you can't tell me everything in nature is pretty.

At least Druddy's not an ice cream with a face.

SmashBrony April 25th, 2011 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tkallab (Post 6602235)
I think Druddigon is an original take on gargoyles. Gargoyles aren't necessarily dragons, but they're usually fierce creatures with hypnotizingly creepy eyes, which Druddy kinda seems to represent. Also, Druddigon's head is most likely based on a castle's crenels. SO in terms of design, I think he's brilliant. Yes, he is ugly, but that doesn't mean he isn't designed well. He's meant to be repulsive, like a gargoyle. Plus, you can't tell me everything in nature is pretty.

At least Druddy's not an ice cream with a face.

Speaking of which, do you guys think that the ice cream pokemon is a VERY popular prey?
I would think so...

In regards to Druddigon:

I argee with tkallab:
Not everything in nature are pretty.
(Especially a VERY nasty critter I know as sun spiders...)

But if it performs well (& it looks like it does) I really couldn't care less about it's apperance.
& I STILL haven't seen any TRULY ugly pokemon.


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