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Charizard★ October 24th, 2010 1:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silhouette (Post 6236064)
What's your favourite dragon type move, and why?


Outrage.

Even tho it has side affects, its beastly nonetheless.

tkallab October 24th, 2010 2:51 PM

A species of Pokémon can't be good or evil by design; an individual can, but I'm not gonna discriminate an entire kind of Pokémon based on looks. Gyarados may look like a bad guy, but isn't he just looking for food and protecting it's territory? Is a bear evil? Is a shark evil? Carnivores, yes, and potentially dangerous, but to call that evil.... The only beings capable of being evil are those with a conscience, or if I may, intelligent beings. Dragonair and Dragonite, Flygon, Latias and Latios... Maybe Rayquaza, Dialga and Palkia and Giratina, though I'm not sure whether they are conscientious or not. Dialga and Palkia seem fairly neutral tome, and I don't believe that lore about Giratina being banished, he was always there. And to be hones, Rayquaza is probably just a big brute like Gyarados.

Rant over. Professor Layton and the Unwound Future made me cry three times in total.

shininglatios217 October 24th, 2010 6:09 PM

tkallab is right, I think Pokémon are neutral and most of their "evil" deeds are because they are either innocent pranks that got out of control, that they are aggressive or because they are only obeying their Trainers.

But if I had to choose heroic and evil dragons, here are mine:

Heroic: Dragonite, Lugia (normal), Flygon, [email protected], Garchomp, Dialga (normal), Palkia, Ononokus, Reshiram

Neutral: Charizard, Kingdra, Salamence, Rayquaza (normal), Giratina (Altered Forme), Kyurem

Evil: Gyarados, Aerodactyl, Tyranitar, Lugia (shadow), Rayquaza (shiny), Dialga (Primal), Giratina (Origin Forme), Sazandora, Zekrom

Why is Lugia a Dragon?

zapdos926 October 24th, 2010 9:18 PM

Agreeing with shininglatios about agreeing with tkallab, who wouldn't agree about that agreement?

Still, to be on topic:
heroic: [email protected](duh), lugia, dragonite, giratina(both forms, Shining, youre pretty picky about that)
evil: gyrados(if it were real it would most likely attempt to eat you), tyranitar, shadow lugia(epic looking, but evil nonetheless)

shininglatios217 October 24th, 2010 9:23 PM

zapdos926: Yes, I was being picky, I only did that because either the shiny or normal version looked more evil than the other.

tkallab October 25th, 2010 1:24 AM

Lugia is a dragon for the same reason Charizard is one, actually. Discussion of a long time ago... But I'd like to point you to this file.

dragoniteuser October 25th, 2010 4:50 AM

@zapdos926 Lugia is a soft spot for tkallab, so I'd watch carefully what I say on the topic! ;)

tkallab October 25th, 2010 5:06 AM

It's not a soft spot, it's a religion!

dragoniteuser October 25th, 2010 5:22 AM

If that's the case, then pray my friend! :D
http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk118/Raptor12284/Pokemon/Lugia1-1.jpg

tkallab October 25th, 2010 5:38 AM

All hail to the guardian of the sea!

zapdos926 October 25th, 2010 8:35 PM

*in british accent*I do say chap, that is quite sad if it's a religion. *removes bubble pipe from mouth* elementary tkallab, that such a creature, as magnificent as it is, can not be a religion, unless you formed a cult. That would be even more sad.*British rant over*

(off topic) I just saw marmaduke, cute, but cheesy.

tkallab October 26th, 2010 12:13 AM

[fingerpoint]Objection![/fingerpoint] *deskslam* I'm afraid there's a huge contradiction in your statement! You said Lugia itself was a religion, *zoom* but a creature itself cannot be a religion! *taps evidence* You believed the defendant was referring to Lugia itself being a religion, because you were uninformed about this religion. *puts evidence away* Lugia is the Guardian of the Sea, it's only natural that some people would believe him to be a god. This is not necessarily a cult, because it's part of Ecruteak's mythology. *deskslam* These myths... *points finger* Known throughout most of Johto and Kanto!

That was fun. But yeah, there are probably some crazy people who would believe Lugia and Ho-Oh to be gods. I'd be one if I lived in Ecruteak city.

Dooonerz October 26th, 2010 12:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tkallab (Post 6248017)
[fingerpoint]Objection![/fingerpoint] *deskslam* I'm afraid there's a huge contradiction in your statement! You said Lugia itself was a religion, *zoom* but a creature itself cannot be a religion! *taps evidence* You believed the defendant was referring to Lugia itself being a religion, because you were uninformed about this religion. *puts evidence away* Lugia is the Guardian of the Sea, it's only natural that some people would believe him to be a god. This is not necessarily a cult, because it's part of Ecruteak's mythology. *deskslam* These myths... *points finger* Known throughout most of Johto and Kanto!

That was fun. But yeah, there are probably some crazy people who would believe Lugia and Ho-Oh to be gods. I'd be one if I lived in Ecruteak city.

Well it did say that when the burning tower caught fire years ago, the 3 Legendary dogs (Suicune, Raikou, and Entei) were trapped in it; and it is to be said that Ho-Oh saved them. This could be why people would believe Ho-Oh to be a God. But I'm not too sure about Lugia 0_o

Time Guardian October 26th, 2010 6:39 AM

If you consider certain facts of the movie to work into the games, then one can say that the Bird trio is to Lugia like how the Cat trio is to Ho-Oh. Since something happened to the cat trio and Ho-Oh was able to save them, one can probably assume that being Ho-Oh's opposite and something of happened to the bird trio then Lugia may be able to do the same thing... But this is just me assuming things again.

dragoniteuser October 26th, 2010 8:08 AM

Acctually Ho-oh created the legendary dogs!
Each represents something:
Raikou represents the thunder which ignited the tower.
Entei is the fire which burned it down.
Suicune is the rain that put the fire out.

tkallab October 26th, 2010 9:05 AM

Yeah, and Lugia is only considered trio master of the legendary birds because of the movie, which is a completely different canon than the games.

zapdos926 October 26th, 2010 7:37 PM

Tkallab, your objection has been objected an I reject your objection in the way that your objection will be rejected via ignorance. Beaides, lugia can't be a religion, lugiaism maybe, but lugia is a terrible name for a religion.

shininglatios217 October 26th, 2010 7:50 PM

Maybe mentioning Lugia here is like mentioning the word "Mewtwo" in Mother/EarthBound forums... (use Google because I'm too long and because the same thing happens when you mention "Giegue" in Pokémon Forums. It should have a TvTropes page).

On Topic: I don't know in which side I should be: tkallab has a good point: All legendaries (withthe exception of Mewtwo are treated like gods. Even the Pokédex states that it is the Guardian of the Seas. However, Zapdos926 is also right: it would be weird if it was a religion and not just a myth.

zapdos926 October 26th, 2010 9:18 PM

Tkallab, I just read over that google docs document again, most of is true, but I have the feeling lugia has feathers. It just seems that way. If you got that info from
bulbapedia, I'll beleive it, but just by looking at the pictures of it and saying there aren't any
feathers is like saying pikachu doesn't have fur because you can't see it during the show/manga/games. Or that staraptor doesn't have feathers.

Off topic: I need more people to play the awesomness game in my siggy... People who have clicked on it, don't give away how awesome the game is by telling other ppl what it is...

tkallab October 27th, 2010 1:01 AM

Sorry dude, you're years late to make me a zombie.

In Lugia's Bulbapedia entry, nothing is stated about feathers or skin, except for the fact that he can learn Feather Dance. But that's only by purification in Gale Of Darkness, and Piplup can also learn Feather Dance, so this proves nothing.

Amore October 27th, 2010 2:44 AM

Agreed.

I must say I'm indifferent to whether Lugia is a bird or a dragon. However, now we decided, no opposition to it being a dragon is going to be taken really seriously until next september. Sorry. I just cba with more voting......and we'll have Gen V to deal with sooner or later.

dragoniteuser October 27th, 2010 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shininglatios217 (Post 6249847)
Maybe mentioning Lugia here is like mentioning the word "Mewtwo" in Mother/EarthBound forums... (use Google because I'm too long and because the same thing happens when you mention "Giegue" in Pokémon Forums. It should have a TvTropes page).

On Topic: I don't know in which side I should be: tkallab has a good point: All legendaries (withthe exception of Mewtwo are treated like gods. Even the Pokédex states that it is the Guardian of the Seas. However, Zapdos926 is also right: it would be weird if it was a religion and not just a myth.

Oh God! I LOLed so hard at this part! XD
Lugia is a dragon, and a legendary, let's just leave it a that guys!

Xilfer October 27th, 2010 1:45 PM

Srry for the inactivity lately, been moving to canada,
so, uh whats the topic?
Can't be on topic if i don't know what the topic is! ZING! lol

tkallab October 27th, 2010 2:01 PM

We were just having a small conversation about Lugia, but it's over now, I guess. Let's make a new topic, shall we?

Xilfer October 27th, 2010 2:06 PM

ok, but ive got to go now, Cya tomorrow.


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