The PokéCommunity Forums

The PokéCommunity Forums (https://www.pokecommunity.com/index.php)
-   Pokémon Clubs (https://www.pokecommunity.com/forumdisplay.php?f=24)
-   -   The Dragon's Den V.4 (https://www.pokecommunity.com/showthread.php?t=231793)

dragoniteuser January 31st, 2011 7:06 AM

I don't have "complete and total knowledge of a mythical beast", nor have i ever said anything that related, but when it comes to dragons, i know A LOT, definetly more than you!
Again, this disscussion is not pokemon related so...

Xilfer January 31st, 2011 8:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dragoniteuser (Post 6424310)
Ok, here's a question for you:
A question that I think even all of you together won't be able to answer completly accurate,
What makes dragon a dragon?

(A real one, not pokemon...)

I dunno, Reptilliasm?

Quote:

Originally Posted by dragoniteuser (Post 6426455)
No, dragons are not lizards, but they are reptiles. They are ALWAYS reptiles, and you'll find a lot of pictures showing fish-like, mammal-like, etc. dragon pictures. Those ARE NOT dragons, and they never will be, no matter what the artist says!
Long necks and horns are optional...

I've been meaning to tell you this but i keep forgeting.
look at the quote above, is speaks only in metaphores, that's not right. You speak in metaphors all the time like "They Are!" and "They Always!" it speaks as if you know everything for sure, when most of the above quote is based on OPINION not absolute fact.
Also, i feel you're becoming kinda hostile.

Quote:

Originally Posted by angel (Post 6427090)
The picture was adorable.

I've never thought of Gyrados as a dragon. He has the appearence of more of a sea beast then a dragon. Gryados is alomst like a huge electric eel, without the electricity.

Hm, that's what i think, Gyrados shouldn't be a dragon, although 50% of me says it should, i dunno, never really thought about it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by dragoniteuser (Post 6428343)
I don't have "complete and total knowledge of a mythical beast", nor have i ever said anything that related, but when it comes to dragons, i know A LOT, definetly more than you!
Again, this disscussion is not pokemon related so...

See, this is what i meant by hostile and metaphors, stop acting like you know everything!

tkallab January 31st, 2011 9:16 AM

Okay, I think everyone should relax for a bit...

There's one question I'd like to ask you, draggy.
How many of the things you know about dragons are based on the assupmtion that they exist?

I got myself a nice definition of 'dragon' here:
A mythical monster traditionally represented as a gigantic reptile having a lion's claws, the tail of a serpent, wings, and a scaly skin.




Offtopic: By the way, Xilfer, a metaphor is something different XD

Shadow236 January 31st, 2011 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xilfer123 (Post 6419572)
We have already disputed this, Altaria is a BIRD we all agree! and we're not gonna change our minds, it may be handy early on, but it is a bird, not all Dragon types are registered here because we don't CONSIDER them to be dragons, that's what we're disputing right now, wether Kingdra is a dragon or not.

You know, when I ran the older versions of Dragon's Den we put Dragon pokemon on the list if their types were DRAGON. It's inevitable and just because of how it looks doesn't mean it's not a Dragon. Altaria is a dual type between Dragon and Flying. You can't just decide it's not a Dragon and take it off the list, that BS. No matter what you think Altaria is a Dragon. It's kind of like saying the Earth doesn't revolve around the Sun because, I just think it doesn't. But guess what IT DOES.

Quote:

Originally Posted by dragoniteuser (Post 6428343)
I don't have "complete and total knowledge of a mythical beast", nor have i ever said anything that related, but when it comes to dragons, i know A LOT, definetly more than you!
Again, this disscussion is not pokemon related so...

How do you know that you know more than him?

tkallab January 31st, 2011 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shadow236 (Post 6428596)
You know, when I ran the older versions of Dragon's Den we put Dragon pokemon on the list if their types were DRAGON. It's inevitable and just because of how it looks doesn't mean it's not a Dragon. Altaria is a dual type between Dragon and Flying. You can't just decide it's not a Dragon and take it off the list, that BS. No matter what you think Altaria is a Dragon. It's kind of like saying the Earth doesn't revolve around the Sun because, I just think it doesn't. But guess what IT DOES.

A long time ago, the Den voted wether Altaria was a bird or not. I looked for all arguments for both sides and put them in a list. I think I already posted it earlier, but here is the link again.
If this list makes you agree, then I guess everything´s fine. If you don´t, you can request a revote.
I don´t know much about the old Den, but it´s now a club for Dragons, not just Dragon-typed Pokémon. We don´t judge on looks, but on wether a Pokémon is a Dragon or not. And we spend a lot of time and though into debating about that.

With that being said, darn, it feels like everyone´s in some kind of fight.

dragoniteuser January 31st, 2011 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tkallab (Post 6428549)
Okay, I think everyone should relax for a bit...

Quote:

Originally Posted by tkallab (Post 6428549)

There's one question I'd like to ask you, draggy.
1)How many of the things you know about dragons are based on the assupmtion that they exist?

2)I got myself a nice definition of 'dragon' here:
A 3)mythical monstertraditionally represented as a 4)gigantic reptile 5)having a lion's claws, 6)the tail of a serpent, 7)wings, and a 8)scaly skin.




Offtopic: By the way, Xilfer, a metaphor is something different XD

1) Hmm... probably a great deal, but then again, that very assumption is based on my knowledge about dragons, evolution, dinosaurs, etc., etc.

2) Sorry but this is a very bad definition, I'll tell you why:
3) Mythical... sure, but monster..., I wouldn't go that far, cause word monster defines absolutely nothing. There are so many objects that are defined as monster, so that really doesn't help you decide what something is by just calling it a monster. That's like trying to explain someone a horse, and just calling it an animal...
4) No, not all dragons are gigantic, sure, some are big, maybe even gigantic, but definetly not all of them.
5) Wait, "lion's claws"? And where's a difference between lion's and reptile's, or bird's claws? A claw is a claw.
But true, all dragons have claws, as all reptiles have claws.
6) Again, "the tail of a serpent"... Really it looks to me like the person who wrote that did his best to make dragons seem like a fusion of other animal's parts.
A tail is a tail, and all reptiles have tails.
7) I think I said this earlyer. Not all dragons have wings, nor did all of them fly. There are dragons that lived in caves, underground burrows, in sea, etc. that didn't have wings. They lost them by evolving, as they didn't need it.
8) Again "scaly skin". O.o If it's a reptile, it'll have scaly scin, what else kind of skin should it have?

Silhouette January 31st, 2011 2:28 PM

Terribly sorry for the inactivity, all. My computer died, so I'm not sure when I'll next be on. It shouldn't be too long since I need a computer for school anyway.

It seems I've left at a bad time...

Shadow236 January 31st, 2011 7:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tkallab (Post 6428613)
A long time ago, the Den voted wether Altaria was a bird or not. I looked for all arguments for both sides and put them in a list. I think I already posted it earlier, but here is the link again.
If this list makes you agree, then I guess everything´s fine. If you don´t, you can request a revote.
I don´t know much about the old Den, but it´s now a club for Dragons, not just Dragon-typed Pokémon. We don´t judge on looks, but on wether a Pokémon is a Dragon or not. And we spend a lot of time and though into debating about that.

Your arguement is invalid though because Altaria is Dragon type just like Dragonite and Salamence and Garchomp. Altaria's Dragon type and dragon moves make it a dragon. You said you don't judge on looks so it shouldn't matter that Altaria has bird like looks. The way I see it, you're basically taking a pokemon that is inevitably Dragon type(whether you like it or not) and deciding it's not.

Regeneration February 1st, 2011 1:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shadow236 (Post 6429593)
Your arguement is invalid though because Altaria is Dragon type just like Dragonite and Salamence and Garchomp. Altaria's Dragon type and dragon moves make it a dragon. You said you don't judge on looks so it shouldn't matter that Altaria has bird like looks. The way I see it, you're basically taking a pokemon that is inevitably Dragon type(whether you like it or not) and deciding it's not.

I strongly agree with what he has said. Altaria is a dragon, and physical appearances don't change that fact.

Let me ask you all those who oppose to Altaria being a dragon, why is Altaria in the same egg group as Kingdra, Dratini, etc. who are considered dragons? Aren't they dragons as well? Let me remind you, if they can interbreed, they are supposed to belong to the same species, biologically speaking. Isn't more than an enough proof that Altaria is a dragon regardless of its physical appearances?

dragoniteuser February 1st, 2011 6:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shadow236 (Post 6429593)
Your arguement is invalid though because Altaria is Dragon type just like Dragonite and Salamence and Garchomp. Altaria's Dragon type and dragon moves make it a dragon. You said you don't judge on looks so it shouldn't matter that Altaria has bird like looks. The way I see it, you're basically taking a pokemon that is inevitably Dragon type(whether you like it or not) and deciding it's not.

Very hipocritical of you...
If I'm not mistaken, and I'm not, Tyranitar, Gyarados, Charizard and Aerodactyl were in all previous Dens. They're no dragon typed, yet they were in the club. If a Pokemon that isn't Dragon typed can be in the den, why wouldn't a pokemon that isn't dragon typed be discluded if it obviously isn't a dragon...
http://b.domaindlx.com/cg103006/sky_wondermails/images/334.jpg

If this is a Dragon to you, you should get your eyes checked.

tkallab February 1st, 2011 7:10 AM

Being Dragon-typed is a heavy-weighing argument on decideing wether a Pokémon is a Dragon or not, but it's never final. The very moment you add a Pokémon into the group that isn't Dragon-typed, the club isn't for Dragon-types, but for Dragons. Logically, this means Dragon-typed Pokémon who we believe aren't Dragons can be removed through a voting.

Also, the egg groups don't mean much either. Farfetch'd can breed with Dewgong... And Ekans would be a Dragon too.

Silhouette February 1st, 2011 7:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silhouette (Post 6428949)
Terribly sorry for the inactivity, all. My computer died, so I'm not sure when I'll next be on. It shouldn't be too long since I need a computer for school anyway.

It seems I've left at a bad time...

Well, that was quick. I'm back.
Quote:

Originally Posted by dragoniteuser (Post 6430258)


Very hipocritical of you...
If I'm not mistaken, and I'm not, Tyranitar, Gyarados, Charizard and Aerodactyl were in all previous Dens. They're no dragon typed, yet they were in the club. If a Pokemon that isn't Dragon typed can be in the den, why wouldn't a pokemon that isn't dragon typed be discluded if it obviously isn't a dragon...
http://b.domaindlx.com/cg103006/sky_wondermails/images/334.jpg

If this is a Dragon to you, you should get your eyes checked.

Lolwut? How was Shadow's post hypocritical?
Quote:

Originally Posted by tkallab (Post 6430296)
Being Dragon-typed is a heavy-weighing argument on decideing wether a Pokémon is a Dragon or not, but it's never final. The very moment you add a Pokémon into the group that isn't Dragon-typed, the club isn't for Dragon-types, but for Dragons. Logically, this means Dragon-typed Pokémon who we believe aren't Dragons can be removed through a voting.

Also, the egg groups don't mean much either. Farfetch'd can breed with Dewgong... And Ekans would be a Dragon too.

Farfetch'd breeding with Dewgong is news to me. But in all seriousness, I agree. Here's emphasizing the whole Ekans deal.

It's so hard not to take a side in this argument. :O

Shadow236 February 2nd, 2011 12:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dragoniteuser (Post 6430258)

Very hipocritical of you...
If I'm not mistaken, and I'm not, Tyranitar, Gyarados, Charizard and Aerodactyl were in all previous Dens. They're no dragon typed, yet they were in the club. If a Pokemon that isn't Dragon typed can be in the den, why wouldn't a pokemon that isn't dragon typed be discluded if it obviously isn't a dragon...
http://b.domaindlx.com/cg103006/sky_wondermails/images/334.jpg

If this is a Dragon to you, you should get your eyes checked.

Wrong, it obviously is a Dragon, it doesn't matter what it looks like. The creators made it Dragon type because it is a Dragon. In the previous Den's we added Pokemon like Gyrados because we decided they were Dragons. It's really stupid to take a Pokemon that is literally marked as Dragon and say it's not. In all the other versions we would put every Pokemon on the list that is a Dragon, the rest would be substitute to debate.

And my response to you is: if you think Altaria isn't a Dragon apparently you can't read.

tkallab February 2nd, 2011 7:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shadow236 (Post 6431807)
And my response to you is: if you think Altaria isn't a Dragon-type apparently you can't read.

There, I fixed it.

No matter how you look at it, Altaria is a Bird. Name one Dragon-like trait it has.

dragoniteuser February 2nd, 2011 8:12 AM

So if Game-freak says oddish is a Fire type, you'd see it as a fire pokemon?

tkallab February 2nd, 2011 8:25 AM

That's probably not the best example, Draggy :/

But indeed, if GameFreak made, let's say, Swellow a Dragon-type, would you buy that? Probably not, right?

Altaria is a bird. Only birds have beaks, and dragons are reptiles. Which aren't birds.

Regeneration February 2nd, 2011 9:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tkallab (Post 6430296)
Also, the egg groups don't mean much either. Farfetch'd can breed with Dewgong... And Ekans would be a Dragon too.

Look at it this way: Ekans does belong to the Dragon egg group because of the fact that it has serpentine traits. Ekans is a snake, obviously. But Ekans is a Poison type Pokemon, not a Poison/ Dragon type. Altaria on the other hand is a Dragon/ Flying type Pokemon and belongs to the Dragon egg group. Farfetch'd being able to breed with Dewgong is a different issue, that is because they belong to the Ground egg group.

Also, another fact to be taken into account is that Altaria is the only Pokemon to be Flying and Dragon egg groups. I think Nintendo wanted Altaria to be an exception to the stereotypical set of Dragons.

It's true that egg groups are just mechanics of the game, but they provide a basis for linking Pokemon together.

Mew~ February 2nd, 2011 9:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dragoniteuser (Post 6432126)
So if Game-freak says oddish is a Fire type, you'd see it as a fire pokemon?

Well, yeah. They are the creators after all... xD

Could we maybe now start discussing the 5th generation Dragon types? The games are going to be out soon and i'm sure everyone here has seen the pokémon already.

Shadow236 February 2nd, 2011 9:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tkallab (Post 6432151)
That's probably not the best example, Draggy :/

But indeed, if GameFreak made, let's say, Swellow a Dragon-type, would you buy that? Probably not, right?

Altaria is a bird. Only birds have beaks, and dragons are reptiles. Which aren't birds.

Yeah, if GameFreak made Swellow Dragon type, then it would be a Dragon. You guys are acting like the creators are stupid. They wouldn't make oddish fire type alright.... They made Altaria Dragon type because they had a reason too, it's in the Dragon family of pokemon.

Silhouette February 2nd, 2011 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mew~ (Post 6432254)



Could we maybe now start discussing the 5th generation Dragon types? The games are going to be out soon and i'm sure everyone here has seen the pokémon already.

You can discuss 5th gen dragons, but please keep it in spoilers. I've been trying to avoid spoiling Black and White for myself, and I'm sure I can't be the only one... okay, maybe I am... :P

tkallab February 2nd, 2011 11:41 AM

What I'm trying to say is, a bird is not a Dragon, and anything with a beak is a bird. But, for the last time, you can request a revote. It's not up to any of us what Pokémon are in the Den, it's up to our majority.

Shadow236 February 2nd, 2011 2:39 PM

I will request a re vote but I think it will be no use, cause you guys will just say no. SO yeah, I'm requesting a re vote and I vote YES

treecko0 February 2nd, 2011 3:27 PM

I would like a revote on the altaria
can we by any chance disscuss sceptile??? it looks dragon-ish to me more like garchomp style though

Regeneration February 3rd, 2011 1:37 AM

I love the way my post was absolutely ignored.

I say we go ahead for a re-vote.

dragoniteuser February 3rd, 2011 5:30 AM

You're not supposed to vote here publicly.
Send PM to tkallab with your vote.

BTW, tkallab my vote is coming to you right away...

@treecko0
No. We already discussed this, Sceptile is a lizard, and there's nothing dragonic (adjective used to adress something dragon related) about it.


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 11:38 AM.


Like our Facebook Page Follow us on Twitter © 2002 - 2018 The PokéCommunity™, pokecommunity.com.
Pokémon characters and images belong to The Pokémon Company International and Nintendo. This website is in no way affiliated with or endorsed by Nintendo, Creatures, GAMEFREAK, The Pokémon Company or The Pokémon Company International. We just love Pokémon.
All forum styles, their images (unless noted otherwise) and site designs are © 2002 - 2016 The PokéCommunity / PokéCommunity.com.
PokéCommunity™ is a trademark of The PokéCommunity. All rights reserved. Sponsor advertisements do not imply our endorsement of that product or service. User generated content remains the property of its creator.

Acknowledgements
Use of PokéCommunity Assets
vB Optimise by DragonByte Technologies Ltd © 2023.