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I don't have "complete and total knowledge of a mythical beast", nor have i ever said anything that related, but when it comes to dragons, i know A LOT, definetly more than you!
Again, this disscussion is not pokemon related so... |
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look at the quote above, is speaks only in metaphores, that's not right. You speak in metaphors all the time like "They Are!" and "They Always!" it speaks as if you know everything for sure, when most of the above quote is based on OPINION not absolute fact. Also, i feel you're becoming kinda hostile. Quote:
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Okay, I think everyone should relax for a bit...
There's one question I'd like to ask you, draggy. How many of the things you know about dragons are based on the assupmtion that they exist? I got myself a nice definition of 'dragon' here: A mythical monster traditionally represented as a gigantic reptile having a lion's claws, the tail of a serpent, wings, and a scaly skin. Offtopic: By the way, Xilfer, a metaphor is something different XD |
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If this list makes you agree, then I guess everything´s fine. If you don´t, you can request a revote. I don´t know much about the old Den, but it´s now a club for Dragons, not just Dragon-typed Pokémon. We don´t judge on looks, but on wether a Pokémon is a Dragon or not. And we spend a lot of time and though into debating about that. With that being said, darn, it feels like everyone´s in some kind of fight. |
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2) Sorry but this is a very bad definition, I'll tell you why: 3) Mythical... sure, but monster..., I wouldn't go that far, cause word monster defines absolutely nothing. There are so many objects that are defined as monster, so that really doesn't help you decide what something is by just calling it a monster. That's like trying to explain someone a horse, and just calling it an animal... 4) No, not all dragons are gigantic, sure, some are big, maybe even gigantic, but definetly not all of them. 5) Wait, "lion's claws"? And where's a difference between lion's and reptile's, or bird's claws? A claw is a claw. But true, all dragons have claws, as all reptiles have claws. 6) Again, "the tail of a serpent"... Really it looks to me like the person who wrote that did his best to make dragons seem like a fusion of other animal's parts. A tail is a tail, and all reptiles have tails. 7) I think I said this earlyer. Not all dragons have wings, nor did all of them fly. There are dragons that lived in caves, underground burrows, in sea, etc. that didn't have wings. They lost them by evolving, as they didn't need it. 8) Again "scaly skin". O.o If it's a reptile, it'll have scaly scin, what else kind of skin should it have? |
Terribly sorry for the inactivity, all. My computer died, so I'm not sure when I'll next be on. It shouldn't be too long since I need a computer for school anyway.
It seems I've left at a bad time... |
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Let me ask you all those who oppose to Altaria being a dragon, why is Altaria in the same egg group as Kingdra, Dratini, etc. who are considered dragons? Aren't they dragons as well? Let me remind you, if they can interbreed, they are supposed to belong to the same species, biologically speaking. Isn't more than an enough proof that Altaria is a dragon regardless of its physical appearances? |
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If I'm not mistaken, and I'm not, Tyranitar, Gyarados, Charizard and Aerodactyl were in all previous Dens. They're no dragon typed, yet they were in the club. If a Pokemon that isn't Dragon typed can be in the den, why wouldn't a pokemon that isn't dragon typed be discluded if it obviously isn't a dragon... http://b.domaindlx.com/cg103006/sky_wondermails/images/334.jpg If this is a Dragon to you, you should get your eyes checked. |
Being Dragon-typed is a heavy-weighing argument on decideing wether a Pokémon is a Dragon or not, but it's never final. The very moment you add a Pokémon into the group that isn't Dragon-typed, the club isn't for Dragon-types, but for Dragons. Logically, this means Dragon-typed Pokémon who we believe aren't Dragons can be removed through a voting.
Also, the egg groups don't mean much either. Farfetch'd can breed with Dewgong... And Ekans would be a Dragon too. |
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It's so hard not to take a side in this argument. :O |
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And my response to you is: if you think Altaria isn't a Dragon apparently you can't read. |
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No matter how you look at it, Altaria is a Bird. Name one Dragon-like trait it has. |
So if Game-freak says oddish is a Fire type, you'd see it as a fire pokemon?
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That's probably not the best example, Draggy :/
But indeed, if GameFreak made, let's say, Swellow a Dragon-type, would you buy that? Probably not, right? Altaria is a bird. Only birds have beaks, and dragons are reptiles. Which aren't birds. |
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Also, another fact to be taken into account is that Altaria is the only Pokemon to be Flying and Dragon egg groups. I think Nintendo wanted Altaria to be an exception to the stereotypical set of Dragons. It's true that egg groups are just mechanics of the game, but they provide a basis for linking Pokemon together. |
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Could we maybe now start discussing the 5th generation Dragon types? The games are going to be out soon and i'm sure everyone here has seen the pokémon already. |
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What I'm trying to say is, a bird is not a Dragon, and anything with a beak is a bird. But, for the last time, you can request a revote. It's not up to any of us what Pokémon are in the Den, it's up to our majority.
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I will request a re vote but I think it will be no use, cause you guys will just say no. SO yeah, I'm requesting a re vote and I vote YES
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I would like a revote on the altaria
can we by any chance disscuss sceptile??? it looks dragon-ish to me more like garchomp style though |
I love the way my post was absolutely ignored.
I say we go ahead for a re-vote. |
You're not supposed to vote here publicly.
Send PM to tkallab with your vote. BTW, tkallab my vote is coming to you right away... @treecko0 No. We already discussed this, Sceptile is a lizard, and there's nothing dragonic (adjective used to adress something dragon related) about it. |
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