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G3RM September 9th, 2010 7:54 PM

Pokemon Pia Discussion Thread - New Pokemon
 
Pokemon Pia has just been released and this thread is to discuss any info we get from the 60 or so pages

Ho-Oh September 9th, 2010 8:07 PM

Just posting to say that this is allowed.

http://pokebeach.com/news/0910/new-pokemon-maybe-shikijika-evo.jpg

^ Is a possible Shikijika evolution next to the yellow letters. You guys can speculate on whether you think it's an evolution for that or something else entirely. Also, in Pokemon Pia, it was revealed that Isshu was based off NY.

Also;
Quote:

The rest of the character art reveals that Musharna opens its eyes and stands up when it is awake, that Pokabu's tail catches fire when it is attacking, and that Victini's ears flare up.
^ From PokeBeach.

It also contains an interview with Ken Sugimori regarding the starter evolutions and design for the starters. Also, apparently this was the magazine which gave info on how to get the Kanto starters so...!

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 9th, 2010 8:13 PM

one of the pokemon below the letters looks like the evo of Shikijika but there seems to be another pokemon along with it or that's it's tail from a different angle..

G3RM September 9th, 2010 8:17 PM

I know this is stupid, but their ears match. Like with yellow inside

Livewire September 9th, 2010 8:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 6142178)
one of the pokemon below the letters looks like the evo of Shikijika but there seems to be another pokemon along with it or that's it's tail from a different angle..

It looks like an evo of the green cloaked Shikijika to me, you can see the yellow part is the inside of the ear and it has leaves on its back

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 9th, 2010 8:20 PM

Oh so it is from different sides, it kind of looks lizard like to me for a moment :P
It looks like it's covered in green heavy fur :)

NovaStar September 9th, 2010 8:21 PM

With the info given in this article. That says...

"Sugimori: I worried about it for a while, and I eventually went to go see the sea otters at the aquarium. I happened to catch the sea lion show while I was there, and I became aware of the sea lion's power. "Well, let's try blending a sea otter and a sea lion," I thought. I came up with the idea of making the shell on Mijumaru's stomach into a sword (katana) and using it to fight, and that's how I completed Mijumaru and its evolution."

We can safely say (although it was obvious to some) that the previously "leaked" stater evo's are fake.

Johto_legend September 9th, 2010 8:21 PM

well at least we now know that the starter evolutions we saw a while ago are now proven fake. there was an interview with the artist in the magazine and the descriptions he gives of the final evolutions dont match those of the leaked ones. im relieved by this because those leaked evos were horrid in my opinion

Ho-Oh September 9th, 2010 8:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Live_Wire466 (Post 6142188)
It looks like an evo of the green cloaked Shikijika to me, you can see the yellow part is the inside of the ear and it has leaves on its back

So this could mean they only have one evolution that changes season-to-season, or possibly four evolutions (don't know how that'd work). Either way it's interesting.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 9th, 2010 8:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Johto_legend (Post 6142195)
well at least we now know that the starter evolutions we saw a while ago are now proven fake. there was an interview with the artist in the magazine and the descriptions he gives of the final evolutions dont match those of the leaked ones. im relieved by this because those leaked evos were horrid in my opinion

Well it doesn't mean that they are fake, some parts actually match...
I hope we get the full Shikijika evo in Corocoro this week :)

G3RM September 9th, 2010 8:27 PM

So IMO that article completely disproves everything else Pokexperto has said,

Johto_legend September 9th, 2010 8:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 6142197)

Well it doesn't mean that they are fake, some parts actually match...
I hope we get the full Shikijika evo in Corocoro this week :)

can u tell me where in the article when there were some matches. cuz i believe it said that the grass starters(im no good with names) final evo would be western based (the fake doesnt look western). the water starters final evo changed the shell on its stomach into a sword (the fake does not). as for the fire starter final evo, im not completely sure about.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 9th, 2010 9:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Johto_legend (Post 6142218)
can u tell me where in the article when there were some matches. cuz i believe it said that the grass starters(im no good with names) final evo would be western based (the fake doesnt look western). the water starters final evo changed the shell on its stomach into a sword (the fake does not). as for the fire starter final evo, im not completely sure about.

Well go to the unconfirmed pokemon thread and you will see...also the shell can change to it's head it didn't say that it stayed in it's stomach or anything, plus Tsutarja might be Western in that it look royal like the europeans...

gregory_turner420 September 9th, 2010 9:10 PM

i really hope those awful designs are not the final evo's. there just terrible
that looks like a giant bush with an ear to me...but im partially blind so yay partial eared bush

Nugg September 9th, 2010 9:46 PM

From the looks of it, it is most likely Shikijika's evolution. Looks like Shikijika with a bush on its back though..

CZbwoi September 9th, 2010 10:19 PM

For Mijumaru's last evo, and the way the magazine drew samurai comparisons, its not that hard to imagine it.

I think if this is all true, the final evo will be able to grab that horn shell thing on its head and use it as a katana, and possibly stand on it's two back legs.

http://www.serebii.net/blackwhite/mijuevo.jpg

Looking at it with that thought makes it seem possible.
But also sort of hilarious, of course.

Logiedan September 9th, 2010 10:24 PM

Hopefully it's just not a bigger Shikijika. Also I don't think CoroCoro is going to release anymore new Pokémon are they? The game is coming out pretty soon, in about a week actually.
Edit: Hopefully the first stage evolution doesn't have that teal skin..

gregory_turner420 September 9th, 2010 10:42 PM

i just dont see the katana shape or design at all in its horn, and for a sea lion/otter thingy it more reminds me of Nessy and a Norwhal got freaky, but i might come around

vibratingcat September 9th, 2010 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Logiedan (Post 6142285)
Hopefully it's just not a bigger Shikijika. Also I don't think CoroCoro is going to release anymore new Pokémon are they? The game is coming out pretty soon, in about a week actually.
Edit: Hopefully the first stage evolution doesn't have that teal skin..

i would be surprised if they didn't put any new info in. They usually keep putting in info even after a games release.
on topic, from the screen, it does just look like a bigger shikijika. maybe type change depending on season as well?

Zelda September 10th, 2010 3:43 AM

I can see it being a Shikijika evolution, and from the part that we can see, it looks like it will be fluffy. o3o
Like some people have mentioned, the ears look a lot like the summer Shikijika. Then if you take a look at the part of the body, it has the light yellow dots that they all have.

I don't think they would all have an evolution each but instead, the one that we can partially see will change colors during seasons to match them. It makes sense, since to have four different evolutions depending on the season is crazy and they all look the same besides the color.
I would like to see the turnout of this pokémon though. A fluffy deer, I'd wonder how that would turn out to be.

Pandemonioum September 10th, 2010 3:48 AM

Between the 4 of you are everything from veterans to newcomers, but how many designers worked on Pocket Monsters Black and White in total?
Sugimori: There were 17 people total. Each person designed about 10 Pokemon. [Note: 17x10 = 170!]

From Pokébeach.

170 Pokémon designed, ummm epic pretty much?

Ho-Oh September 10th, 2010 3:51 AM

...I never realised that. Awesome. :D

Sadly though, on averages it could turn out to be only 150 or something. :(

Dmatt September 10th, 2010 8:50 AM

How come nobody has commented about how freakishly scary Musharna looks when awake... It's haunting :surprised:

Tyxomm September 10th, 2010 9:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Dmatt (Post 6143079)
How come nobody has commented about how freakishly scary Musharna looks when awake... It's haunting :surprised:

I lol'd.
Note: I tend to like pokemon more once I see them in different poses.

CZbwoi September 10th, 2010 10:44 AM

No one posted this yet? Its a fuller interview, from PBeach.
But not the whole thing yet.

Quote:

Today we’re meeting with all of the graphic designers, who can be considered the parents of Pokemon. To start, please tell us how you are involved with the Pocket Monsters series.

Sugimori: I’m in charge as the 2D art director. The GM of design. I supervise the dot art (sprite graphics displayed on the game screen). I’ve been involved with the Pocket Monsters series since its inception, so I also supervised the design of the original human and Pokemon characters. This time I was slightly less involved, but I did work on the hero and Pokemon designs.

Oumura: I’m in charge of 2D graphics. I started with Pocket Monsters Diamond and Pearl, and this time I worked on the designs of the human characters and Pokemon such as Mijumaru.

Sugimori: Ibe and Tagami came on board at Game Freak when we were working on Pocket Monsters Platinum. This is the first time they’ve made a game from scratch.

Ibe: Right. The Pokemon I was in charge of designing was Victini. Aside from that, I designed about 10 other Pokemon.

Tagami: I designed Tsutaaja. After that, the Little Pigeon Pokemon Mamepato, and a Bug-type Pokemon called Kurumiru, for example. I worked on about 10 Pokemon.

Between the 4 of you are everything from veterans to newcomers, but how many designers worked on Pocket Monsters Black and White in total?

Sugimori: There were 17 people total. Each person designed about 10 Pokemon. [Note: 17x10 = 170!]

This time all of the Pokemon are new. When did you start designing the Pokemon?

Oumura: Around the Spring of 2008.

Sugimori: We were developing it at the same time as Pocket Monsters Platinum and Pocket Monsters Heart Gold and Soul Silver. In this game, since old Pokemon do not appear, and a new world is the stage, we needed to create an ecosystem purely for the newly-designed Pokemon. Up until now, we designed with the philosophy that, “a mouse-like Pokemon already exists, so let’s make other Pokemon”—but this time they were all new. So, once again we designed a mouse-like Pokemon, a dog-like Pokemon, etc. from scratch.

Then, you started from nothing in the true sense of the word. What kind of Pokemon did you think of?

Sugimori: At first I told the designers, “You can draw freely; draw things you like.” Gradually, the number of Pokemon was decided, and the instructions became more concrete, such as, “We don’t have enough of this Type, can you try to draw some?” By the end they were directly ordered, “Draw this Pokemon!”

Ibe: I like dogs, so I submitted a dog-like Pokemon.

Sugimori: Right. She likes dogs. The Pokemon designs are a collection of the individual designers’ emotional attachments. That’s why I originally said, “Why don’t you draw the things you like?”

Tagami: In my case, it’s bugs. There really is an insect that wads up leaves, called an Otoshibumi. I thought that behavior was fascinating, so I tried to design a Pokemon based on it.

Oumura: I looked at the lineup of Pokemon that everyone had submitted to me, and designed whatever was missing. Piplup from Pocket Monsters Diamond and Pearl was embraced, and this time I was once again designing Water-type Pokemon. Not to suggest that Water-types are my specialty.

Mr. Oumura was Mijumaru, Mr. Tagami was Tsutaaja. You designed the 3 Starter Pokemon.

Sugimori: The 3 Starter Pokemon and the Legendary Pokemon were a lot of trouble.

Tagami: A lot of trouble. I think of Tsutaaja all the time.

Sugimori: Of course, it was determined that the 3 Starters would be Grass, Fire, and Water-type Pokemon. We’ll combine the shared horror of our experiences up until now. The Water-type and dog weren’t cute, the Grass-type and ??? looked scary [note: we'll fix this sentence later]. (laughs). This time, a designer who isn’t here presented the Fire-type as a pig, and Mr. Tagami presented the Grass-type Pokemon as a snake. I decided it was an interesting combination.

Tagami: I was reading a picture book and it said, “There are snakes that look like vines.” I said, “That’s it!” (laughs) It was a hint at an idea.

Sugimori: I told him that snakes are discomforting. “When you see the line entering its stomach, it’s creepy."

Tagami: But being discomforting is a snake’s most important trait. I was conscious of that with Tsutaaja as well.

Sugimori: Since it was discomforting, if we took that away, it would become a character without any personality.

You combined the elements of the Grass-type and the snake to create a Pokemon.

Sugimori: Next we needed to give it a personality. It will be boring if all 3 Starters have the same personality, so we pick a direction for the personality, such as Naughty or Gentle. This time, the pig Pokemon was Naughty, and it had a reckless feel. Tsutaaja was aristocratic….for example like “The Rose of Versailles”. (laughs)

Tagami: I created an image like something out of an art museum. Like the Hermitage Museum in Russia. (laughs)

Sugimori: This time, the Water-type was the most troublesome.

Oomura: I said, “How about a sea otter for the Water-type?” But if a sea otter were to evolve, what would it become? That’s where I hit a wall. Eventually I said that if a sea otter was to evolve, it would transform into something completely different. [Note: The third rumored evolution of Mijumaru from a few days ago looks completely different than Mijumaru.]

Sugimori: Since we intended for those 3 starter Pokemon to be with the hero throughout the game, we wanted them to have surprising evolutions. We kept adding more twists so the forms of the third-stage Evolutions would have an impact.

Oomura: Also, this time we wanted the 3 starter Pokemon to be split into Japanese, Western, and Chinese imagery. We said Tsutaaja would represent Western imagery, Pokabu Chinese, and Mijumaru Japanese. We discussed it: "Couldn't a sea otter be a samurai?"

Everyone: Hahaha.

Oomura: I was a little worried, so I went to watch the sea otters at the aquarium. I happened to see the sea lion show, I noticed how strong the sea lions were. I thought, ah, I’ll try combining sea lions and otters together. I came up with the idea of them fighting by using the shells on their stomachs like swords, and Mijumaru and its [next] evolution were completed.

In order to design Pokemon you even visited an aquarium. Did you go out to research often?

Sugimori: At the beginning of development, the entire team went to the zoo. In this case it was the Tama Zoo that we visited. We each went our own way to watch the animals. The mole exhibit was really interesting. Tubes were connected through the ceiling, and the moles ran through them at incredible speeds. I was shocked.

Tagami: Usually I look at picture books and nature programs on television. When I heard about Mr. Oomura’s trip to the aquarium, I also went to the zoo to observe the snakes. But I watched the snakes for about 30 minutes, and they didn’t move at all. (laughs)

Ibe: I also went to zoos and pet shops where I could actually touch the animals. I checked where the joints met and watched how the birds folded their wings. (laughs)

That’s interesting. What ended up being your best reference?

Oomura: Actually observing living animals, of course. As the game’s development grew more hectic we couldn’t go out to research, but we’d come to understand how the animals moved, captured prey, etc., and that made drawing easier.

Tagami: When the development was hectic, I would reference the people walking around town. People’s hairstyles and so on. It was interesting. (laughs)

Sugimori: It’s as they said. Many different things went into the Pokemon. For example, with the Fire-type Pokemon, the pipes from furnaces and ironworks went into the shape of the body and the markings. By tying different images together, new designs were born... [the rest of this interview will be translated and posted later].


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