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bobandbill September 10th, 2010 5:31 AM

B/W Legendaries Discussion
 
On http://www.serebii.net/, Serebii just announced a large number of Pokemon legendary typings, including notably a pure-flying type, and a number of fighting-typed legendaries as well (and a Bug-Steel)

New gen also shall contain 156 Pokemon in it apparently.

  • #633 to 635 are dark/dragon legendaries (likely the 'psuedo-legend' imo like tyranitar, garchomp, etc).
  • #638 = Steel/Fighting legendary
  • #639 = Rock/Fighting legendary
  • #640 = Grass/Fighting legendary
  • #641 = Pure Flying legendary
  • #642 = Flying/Electric legendary
  • #643 = Reshiram
  • #644 = Zekrom
  • #645 = Ground/Flying legendary
  • #646 = Dragon/Ice legendary
  • #647 = Water/Fighting Event legendary
  • #648 = Normal/Psychic Event legendary
  • #649 = Bug/Steel Event legendary

(Also Huin City has boats that takes you to islands but that's less cool info. ;p)

Sora's Nobody September 10th, 2010 5:43 AM

So... Atleast 13 legendarys *sigh* Kinda.But atleast only 3 are event. And wow, pure flying type. Thats a first!

Timbjerr September 10th, 2010 5:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Euonymus (Post 6142708)
Well if the info posted on serebii is accurate, we will be getting twelve new legendaries, which is too many in my opinion. They are starting to get obnoxious to obtain also. But those are just my thoughts.

That's still one less than the 13 that were introduced in GenIV. :P

I like that there'll finally be a fightiing- and bug-type legendary, but still no poison-type. D:

Dragon/dark is a unique typing and would make for an interesting pseudolegendary family. :D

Also, I'm calling it that the ice/dragon legendary will probably be the third version mascot. XD

all in all, this reveals quite a bit I must say. XD

PlatinumDude September 10th, 2010 5:47 AM

Looks like a lot of people got the type combinations of their wishes:
-Dark/Dragon (one of the more epic type combinations)
-Ice/Dragon (another epic combination)
-Finally; a pure Flying type! Wonder what it could be.

Also, it looks like Grass/Fighting, Steel/Fighting, Water/Fighting, Electric/Flying, Normal/Psychic and Ground/Flying are making a comeback.

coolnick37 September 10th, 2010 5:55 AM

Grass, steel and rock with /fighning types will probably be a set of 3 region representatives like articuno, zapdos, moltres, and the rest.
Also add 1 more legendary....victiny :P

Sora's Nobody September 10th, 2010 5:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timbjerr (Post 6142722)
That's still one less than the 13 that were introduced in GenIV. :P

I like that there'll finally be a fightiing- and bug-type legendary, but still no poison-type. D:

Dragon/dark is a unique typing and would make for an interesting pseudolegendary family. :D

Also, I'm calling it that the ice/dragon legendary will probably be the third version mascot. XD

all in all, this reveals quite a bit I must say. XD

Euh... Their ARE atleast 13. Victini wasnt on the list.

AliceBlaze September 10th, 2010 6:03 AM

I bet the Dark/Dragon evolution chain will be the new pseudo legendaries and I bet the Ice/Dragon legendary is gonna be the third member of Reshiram and Zekrom's trio.

They should have made 157 pokemon instead of 156 so there would be 650 pokemon instead of a random 649.

Beyerful September 10th, 2010 6:04 AM

156 new pokemon, bringing the total to 649:
I am very happy to hear this! So many new Pokemon! This is the biggest increase ever! It even beats Generation I in numbers! This is awesome. This should mean there will be something for everyone, if they did it right...

3 event Pokemon:
Oh thank God there wasn't a stupidly high amount. Anything higher than 5 would have had me angry. But isn't it technically 4 if you add Victini? I can live with that.

#633, #634 and #635 are a dark/dragon evolution chain:
Dark and Dragon for the dragon family for this generation? I hope the dark side to them really does show in the designs. That would be awesome if #635 was really menacing and scary.

Hey! There is no mention of #636 or #637!! *curiosity overload*

#638 is steel/fighting:
Eh, makes me think Lucario but I am sure it will be awesome as well.

#639 is rock and fighting:
That's a first! I am very fascinated by this one!

#640 is grass and fighting:
Only other Pokemon with that combination is Breloom! Considering Breloom is one of my favorites, I am looking forward to more on 640.

#641 is PURE FLYING:
I sure hope this is not just a bird because it seems like all birds are normal/flying. Seeing as this has lost the normal type it should also probably lose the bird look a fair bit. Of course it will have wings but I dont want to just see a big bird...
So happy about a pure flying type though!

#642 is electric/flying:
Says Zapdos to me. Should be interesting to see how this pokemon will be different from Zapdos, similar to how 638 will be different to Lucario.

Reshiram and Zekrom are #643 and #644:
No big deal

#645 is ground/flying:
Naturally you would think that this Pokemon would be the third in the legendary trio but 646 is Ice/Dragon. A more fitting type.
So how does this legendary come into play and how will it be different from Gligar and Gliscor move wise?

#646 is Ice/Dragon:
This will make my friend squeal! He has always wanted this combination!
Anyways, this seems more fitting for the third in the trio due to it's dragon part. I am looking forward to seeing the design!

-Event legendaries-
Yawn. Designs is all that captures my curiosity considering I will probabaly never get these.
However I see Victini is not mentioned here. I have so far been under the impression Victini is 000 on the regional and something more fitting in the national. Yet he is not mentioned here...
Maybe they just didn't mention him and he is actually #650? I must know!

bobandbill September 10th, 2010 6:06 AM

^ I believe it's probably the only other legendary though unless the dex is really flunky/there's more pokemon that show up at the start of the dex (which I don't see happening). But hey, 13 out of 156 ain't so bad (better ratio than with gen 4 I suppose assuming that's all), and 3 are event-only anyways. (And I'm a believer of the 'if you don't want them then don't catch them' philosophy. ;p)
Quote:

I have so far been under the impression Victini is 000 on the regional and something more fitting in the national. Yet he is not mentioned here...
Maybe they just didn't mention him and he is actually #650? I must know!
Serebii on sppf mentioned soon after Victini is earlier up the dex, so wouldn't be number #650.

Serebii September 10th, 2010 6:15 AM

Victini is #494. Don't worry.

Sora's Nobody September 10th, 2010 6:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Serebii (Post 6142769)
Victini is #494. Don't worry.

Are yiu sure? Wouldnt tsutajaa be 494? What if victini actually is 000 on the national.

"Shadow Lugia" September 10th, 2010 6:29 AM

For those annoyed about there being too many legendaries, I'll just do this comparison (# of legends in a generation:# of total pokemon in a generation):
Gen I: 5:151 = about 1:30
Gen II: 6:100 = about 1:17
Gen III: 10:135 = about 1:14
Gen IV: 14:107 = about 1:8
Gen V: 13:156 = exactly 1:12

Haza September 10th, 2010 6:30 AM

I can't help but to be pissed that there is still no Poison - Type Legendary.

Ho-Oh September 10th, 2010 6:41 AM

@Sora's Nobody: Clearly Victini is actually Tsutaaja and noone has told us yet.

I really like the typings - and 156 is a pretty good number. The pure flying will be interesting, which just makes me think Wooguru (even though it's not, but still). Dragon/Ice, expected, so yay.

And dark/dragon? :D! That is so awesome, really. Interesting that there are only four dragon legendaries, though (if I counted correctly).

Giratina ♀ September 10th, 2010 6:46 AM

Pure Flying?!? Blasphemy!

...Seriously though, unlike most, I think it's good that they're introducing more Legends. Just as long as they don't try to make the father and mother of Arceus or anything, then that's all good. Also, on Victini, I'm pleased that it's not #000. Nothing replaces MissingNo., man!

SIN1488 September 10th, 2010 6:47 AM

"#633 to 635 are dark/dragon legendaries (likely the 'psuedo-legend' imo like tyranitar, garchomp, etc)."

Yeah, and I bet people are gonna go crazy for those. Dark-types always seem to be popular with people, and with the added Dragon-typing, it should be interesting.

Personally I'm more interested in the Ice/Dragon type. :D

Sora's Nobody September 10th, 2010 6:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Giratina ♀ (Post 6142814)
Pure Flying?!? Blasphemy!

...Seriously though, unlike most, I think it's good that they're introducing more Legends. Just as long as they don't try to make the father and mother of Arceus or anything, then that's all good.

Your clealy forgetting that they also could add Arceus siblings, uncle, aunt and maybe some kids. Ground flying? How? What i meant to say how would even question that? ... It's been done before.

might will fate September 10th, 2010 6:51 AM

WHOAO AND ONLY 8 DAYS TO GO NCIE!The only i am sad is that they passed teh number of teh 1st gen poekmon for five pokemon.

Masterge77 September 10th, 2010 6:55 AM

With no mention of 636 and 637, I think that they are Zorua and Zoroark, I may be wrong though.....

So, since there are 153 obtainable in game out of the 156 total, with 3 being event only, that makes Zorua and Zoroark obtainable in game (possilby from an egg given to you by someone), and one of these 3 mentioned on the bottom is ingame, not event, making the Water/Fighting legendary obtainable in game!

#633 to 635 are dark/dragon legendaries (likely the 'psuedo-legend' imo like tyranitar, garchomp, etc).

Aww, I was expecting Kibago to be the Dratini of the game.....

#638 = Steel/Fighting legendary
#639 = Rock/Fighting legendary
#640 = Grass/Fighting legendary

Sweet, we finnaly get Fighting type legends outside of Fist Plate Arceus!

#641 = Pure Flying legendary

And at long last, after 15 years of waiting, a PURE Flying type.....

#642 = Flying/Electric legendary

Clearly a Zapdos clone with better stats.....

#643 = Reshiram
#644 = Zekrom

And we have these guys too!

#645 = Ground/Flying legendary

Water and oil don't mix, and neither do these types.....

#646 = Dragon/Ice legendary

And here is the mascot of Pokemon Grey Version

#647 = Water/Fighting legendary

I consider this one obtainable in game because Serebii said only 3 event Pokemon, and Victini counts as one of them.....

Well, at least that's one less event Pokemon from last generation.....

#648 = Normal/Psychic Event legendary
#649 = Bug/Steel Event legendary

And we finally get a Bug legendary!

faospark September 10th, 2010 7:05 AM

really looking forward for the new legends

bobandbill September 10th, 2010 7:07 AM

Quote:

#645 = Ground/Flying legendary

Water and oil don't mix, and neither do these types.....
If you mean 'this sounds implausible/an odd typing'...yeah, Gligar says hi there. =p Been done before so not really surprising a typing imo (and Flygon isn't far off either with the Dragon/Ground typing with Levitate).

Haza September 10th, 2010 7:19 AM

I am still very pissed that there is still no Poison-Type Legendary... I hope this is wrong in some way even though it's not.

alphabetsoup102062 September 10th, 2010 8:13 AM

I'm curious about the Dark type legendary and I'm interested to see what it's design is going to be like. But I think that there's now too many legendary Pokemon, as there's now going to be 13 legendary Pokemon including Victini. Far too many for me anyway.

Volroc September 10th, 2010 8:31 AM

so 14 legends like in gen4...
but 156 new pokemon all together?
hmmmm i dont think we will be seeing any previous gen evos :) / :( i wanted pachirisu to get a nice evo, but its chill, all my other favs got their evos in gen4, minus sableye so im chill with 156 new pokemon :)
time to dust off my AR for those 4events legends (including Victini) :P
ice/dragon itll be epic... i apologize for my distain for reshiram...
zekrom has been one of my fav legends since i saw it :)
a fighting trio? so gen1&2: electric-fire-ice/water. gen3: mythical ages. gen4: emotion psychic types. and now a fighting trio??? to be honest im shocked, i expected a fire trio or a poison trio since its based on NYC, im looking forward to this.
Pure flying type, FINALLY! with chatots disappointment of being normal flying,after serebii revealed it pure flying, i was heart broken, ive been wanting a pure flying since gen3 revealed no results :)
zapdos evolution? O.o" (i kid) but im kinda disappointed on this, i wanted something interesting, not another zapdos, only zapdos is zapdos in my heart <3
ground/flying? why? :( i dont want anything over taking gligar/gliscor :(

the other 3event legends....
water/fighting is ok :)
normal/psychic????? but, no :( why not ghost normal, or ghost psychic? :(
bug/steel PURE EPIC WIN!
i sure hope its design doesnt disappoint, and as odd as it sounds...
i want it to be special based, thatll totally blow my mind if its special not physical XD

gen5 if those gawd awful starter evos are real,youve made up for it with the legends of this region <3 love gen5

altariaking September 10th, 2010 8:36 AM

Wow. These legends seem more epic than all the others so far. I really can't wait 'til March.

pkmntrainerpaul September 10th, 2010 8:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobandbill (Post 6142693)
  • #643 = Reshiram
  • #644 = Zekrom
  • #646 = Dragon/Ice legendary

I think these 3 are the Version Mascots:

Reshiram=Fire/Dragon
Zekrom=Electric/Dragon
????=Ice/Dragon

Lol Articuno, Zapdos and Moltres xD

Livewire September 10th, 2010 8:52 AM

Pokemon are Pokemon, who cares if they're legends or not. More to catch (But isnt that the entire basis of Pokemon? 0_o) I can't wait until i get B&W, those type combos are sick. Dark/Dragon FTW. :D

JP September 10th, 2010 9:24 AM

If this stuff is true, which I'm really starting to think is, I can't wait to see what the Fighting type trio looks like, though I kind of wish they had different primary typings...

RYOUKI September 10th, 2010 9:30 AM

Pure Flying Legendary is want, but boo. I can;t use it on my Pokemon team. ;;

Binary September 10th, 2010 9:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JP (Post 6143127)
If this stuff is true, which I'm really starting to think is, I can't wait to see what the Fighting type trio looks like, though I kind of wish they had different primary typings...

The fighting trio are going to look like the Regis XD. Similar base, but variant according to the type, I think.

Oh and Ice/Dragon legendary! <3

alisaie September 10th, 2010 9:40 AM

A Bug legendary, finally! Now it's like Timbjerr said; we need our Poison Legendary

The Ice/Dragon one sounds pretty awesome, as well as the pure flying Pokemon.

Well, at least one of the two major things have been put in (Bug Legendary for one). Now I'm hoping that the other thing I'm wishing for will be.

MartinJF September 10th, 2010 9:41 AM

I'll bet that the pure flying pkmn have an ability that prevents the loss of its flying type.

Dr. POP September 10th, 2010 9:46 AM

Seems as the legendary trio is fighting typed. Nice! I particularly am interested in the Flying adn Ground/Flying legendaries! Oh, and the Bug/Steel one too!

Hazeh September 10th, 2010 9:59 AM

Dragon/Ice omgomgomgomgomg I'm very excited :D

Quote:

Originally Posted by Masterge77 (Post 6142844)
So, since there are 153 obtainable in game out of the 156 total, with 3 being event only, that makes Zorua and Zoroark obtainable in game (possilby from an egg given to you by someone),

Zorua is obtainable if you have the Celebi from Pokemon: The Illusionist Zoroark and you can catch a Zoroark if you get the shiny Entei, Raikou or Suicune (also from the movie). [Of course there will be a different event in the USA, though]

Devil Flamingo September 10th, 2010 9:59 AM

I don't care that there's 13 legendaries or whatever, since I don't bother to catch most of them. XD However, I am very interested in this Grass-Fighting type, hmm, hmmm. It'd damn better look super-cool, or I won't be using it; I like Breloom, but not enough to use it (as far as Hoenn Grass goes, Shiftry, Cacturne and Cradily are the best and the ones), so we'll see about this.

Still no Grass/Dragon, though. e_e

Quote:

Originally Posted by Masterge77 (Post 6142844)
#645 = Ground/Flying legendary

Water and oil don't mix, and neither do these types.....

EXCUSE YOU.

Water and oil DO mix, and they make a great pasta. Just look at Glissscorrr.

Livewire September 10th, 2010 9:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MartinJF (Post 6143153)
I'll bet that the pure flying pkmn have an ability that prevents the loss of its flying type.

That means they can't use Roost, or at least that effect doesnt apply. D:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Devil Flamingo (Post 6143184)
I don't care that there's 13 legendaries or whatever, since I don't bother to catch most of them. XD However, I am very interested in this Grass-Fighting type, hmm, hmmm. It'd damn better look super-cool, or I won't be using it; I like Breloom, but not enough to use it (as far as Hoenn Grass goes, Shiftry, Cacturne and Cradily are the best and the ones), so we'll see about this.

Still no Grass/Dragon, though. e_e



EXCUSE YOU.

Water and oil DO mix, and they make a great pasta. Just look at Glissscorrr.

You get a cookie for awesomeness. ^^ Ground/Flying is great typing, and that's why Gliscor is a beast.

Xeos September 10th, 2010 10:16 AM

I don't mind the 13 legendaries. Gives me something to do after I beat the E4 in this game. (My friends and I race to see who can usually get all legendaries obtainable in that Gen first. I always win. XD)

Masterge77 September 10th, 2010 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hazeh (Post 6143183)
Dragon/Ice omgomgomgomgomg I'm very excited :D



Zorua is obtainable if you have the Celebi from Pokemon: The Illusionist Zoroark and you can catch a Zoroark if you get the shiny Entei, Raikou or Suicune (also from the movie). [Of course there will be a different event in the USA, though]

Thay did not say that was the ONLY way you could get one (Why, just why did they have to do that to it, do they even care about the fanbase?)

Xander Olivieri September 10th, 2010 11:03 AM

Praying that the Ice/Dragon isn't the third to this set. If it is, this kills my love I've had for the entire game series. There is very little point stressing the balance between two just to randomly throw in a third that has nothing to do with them.

What could it represent? Zekrom is industrialism and Reshiram is naturalism. They even tie in through Pokemon Species. Black Yang and White Yin. ugh just no. Don't need third fail add on.

I am excited about pure flying and Dark/Dragon. Like the Ice/Dragon but don't want to see if made into a third member to the set which would make it pretty fail. Oh here is some random thing I created that plays no part in the story line but is the equal to these two epic master pieces.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Masterge77 (Post 6143277)
Thay did not say that was the ONLY way you could get one (Why, just why did they have to do that to it, do they even care about the fanbase?)

Says on Serebii that the only way to get Zorua and Zoroark are through the Events.

Agent Clank September 10th, 2010 11:19 AM

I think that many legendaries are a bad idea....
I thought D/P/P would be the last game with alot of legendaries...

Masterge77 September 10th, 2010 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 6143317)
Says on Serebii that the only way to get Zorua and Zoroark are through the Events.

Just why did they have to make them event only!?

Hamilton September 10th, 2010 11:24 AM

well not counting the Pseudos, the event pokemon AND the all mighty ZOR...
that makes... 9 legendary pokemon :D

Legendmaster#1 September 10th, 2010 11:37 AM

I think I'm gonna cry! It'll take up like three boxes to fit all the legendaries i have in the CP. Especially after these come out!

LethalTexture September 10th, 2010 12:03 PM

I'm actually quite excited to see the designs of these new Pokémon, more than I was expecting to be. I'm glad that we're getting some kind of variety to the typings, as well.

560cool. September 10th, 2010 12:07 PM

This thread is so epic.
Super excited for every Pokemon ! Mostly for the Pure Flying type and the last Pokemon (Bug/Steel). I'm pretty sure that the Bug/Steel type is our Mewtwo/Arceus/Deoxys ?

Amore September 10th, 2010 12:08 PM

Copy Zapdos, the Gligar family, and possibly a few others (can't remember) why don't you?

God....well, at least we get bug, fighting, pure-flying, and no psychic...

Zhinc September 10th, 2010 12:23 PM

Hmm, wow. Dark/dragon? Did I accidently run into one of the designers and mention that those are my favourite types or what?

I'm stuck on whether or not I hope Serebii's actually got it right this time. I'm really loving the interesting typing, like you all are saying
(pure flying! score!), but I'm also really annoyed about the sheer number of legenaries. Couldn't they have just made awesome
/average/ Pokemon with these types? Maybe a couple to use in the metagame? I guess if they come up with good backstories
for all of them I can forgive them a little; it's the only reason I accept the multitude gen IV gave us.

As for the repeat typings...I've already given them a little room on that because this region is so independent of the others that
/something/ has to fill the similar niches filled by the Pokemon we're already familiar with. (If I could actually live in the Pokemon
world...I might be intested in biology for once, especially for the sake of doing full comparisons between regions and our world.)


Dragon/Ice automatically struck me as the third version mascot. I'm hoping they'll pull more of a GSC moment and make the third
something related to, but not a part of the same group as the original mascots. I agree that it would be quite pointless to add a
third party in if they're going for a yin/yang theme.

PsychoJigglypuff September 10th, 2010 12:45 PM

At first I was like "Wow that's a lot of legendaries!" Then I realized, it's pretty much the same amount as D/P/Pt, and there are more new Pokemon, so it's not as much in comparison.

The typing is what really interests me. I can't wait to see them and what they can do!

Ground/Flying reminds me of Gligar and Gliscor, they are my favorites! The pure Flying and Bug/Steel also has me interested.

Conor September 10th, 2010 12:53 PM

Can't wait :D
I love all the old pokemon but I still love to see new pokemon and 156 new pokemon is awesome!
I think it will have a really fresh feel to it this game I hope their is bare minimum of pokemon from other generations, probably won't contact any previous generations with it either for a long time just really get the most out of it :D

gregory_turner420 September 10th, 2010 12:56 PM

i like the new possible pseudo's typing, but i guarentee after a month he'll be uber do to his sexy typing

Master Krillin September 10th, 2010 12:58 PM

hmmmm
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bobandbill (Post 6142693)
On http://www.serebii.net/, Serebii just announced a large number of Pokemon legendary typings, including notably a pure-flying type, and a number of fighting-typed legendaries as well (and a Bug-Steel)

New gen also shall contain 156 Pokemon in it apparently.

  • #633 to 635 are dark/dragon legendaries (likely the 'psuedo-legend' imo like tyranitar, garchomp, etc).
  • #638 = Steel/Fighting legendary
  • #639 = Rock/Fighting legendary
  • #640 = Grass/Fighting legendary
  • #641 = Pure Flying legendary
  • #642 = Flying/Electric legendary
  • #643 = Reshiram
  • #644 = Zekrom
  • #645 = Ground/Flying legendary
  • #646 = Dragon/Ice legendary
  • #647 = Water/Fighting Event legendary
  • #648 = Normal/Psychic Event legendary
  • #649 = Bug/Steel Event legendary

(Also Huin City has boats that takes you to islands but that's less cool info. ;p)

633 - 635 should be awesome

636 - 637 are Zoura and Zourark (probably)

641 Pure Flying type hmm i see this one as the Cresela of the 5th gen
or it might be another "cute" (manaphy, shaymen, mew etc) Legend of this gen

642 Electric/Fly (Aka death via Stelth Rock) is problem the Hetran of this Gen

643 - 644 we know these guys already

645 Ground/Flying I didn't see this one coming

646 - Dragon/Ice may be this gens Garatina or maybe not hmmm

648 Normal/Psychic basicly Shaymin like poke will probly be in movie 15 or 16

649 Bug/Steel the Darkrai poke of this gen possibly related to Ononokuso

638 - 640 and 647 well these 4 are the Trio and Leader for this gen (the elemental Regis and Gigas there leader) the Steel,Rock,Grass ones(followers) and the Water one(leader) are all connected to the islands mentioned above you will use the Huin City boats (after the E4) to go to each island do a puzzle fight and catch the Legend poke do another puzzle unlock the next pokes island tell you have the first 3 then you'll get a "ticket" via a Nintendo event to the fourth island to get the Water/Fighting legend

Molenator September 10th, 2010 1:17 PM

I'm guessing the Steel/Fighting, Rock/Fighting, and Grass/Fighting are the trio of this region.

altariaking September 10th, 2010 1:34 PM

Ok, everyone who is saying Electric/Flying is a Zapdos copy, shut up.
Alakazam and Espeon are both psychic, would you flame Gamefreak for that? Exactly.

ManhattanTheStarr September 10th, 2010 1:48 PM

Whyyy? Why did they have to put all these good typings on LEGENDS?
(AKA: Pokemon that I never use xD) A pure Flying-type sounds interesting, though. I'd like to see what they could do with it.

And the trio will be fighters? I like that, but Steel/Fighting again? Hah, looks like Lucario is no longer unique (just like Medicham... u_u). Zomg, maybe it'll be that cat Lucario alternate I've been hoping for--... but I doubt it.

Another thing is that I'm seriously getting tired of event legendaries. They're becoming annoying, and I'm sure I'm not the only one who was majorly pissed off when they realized Zoroark and even ZORUA was event-only Pokemon. >.>

In general, these are all very interesting typings! ...But it sucks that they're all being wasted on legends... IMO. u_u

Kelp September 10th, 2010 2:41 PM

Flying
+
Nrm/Psy

= Win.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 10th, 2010 2:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pkmntrainerpaul (Post 6143069)
I think these 3 are the Version Mascots:

Reshiram=Fire/Dragon
Zekrom=Electric/Dragon
????=Ice/Dragon

Lol Articuno, Zapdos and Moltres xD

Lol I noticed that a long time ago, the fact that it's Ice/Dragon adds more my belief that the third version might be Grey :)

Devil Flamingo September 10th, 2010 2:59 PM

I don't mind that there's so many legends. XD More legendaries means more choices for those who like to battle in the Uber Tier.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 10th, 2010 3:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Devil Flamingo (Post 6143867)
I don't mind that there's so many legends. XD More legendaries means more choices for those who like to battle in the Uber Tier.

Yeah it does, though I wonder who many of these will make it to the Uber tier and how many to OU...


Quote:

Originally Posted by Volroc (Post 6143053)
so 14 legends like in gen4...
but 156 new pokemon all together?
hmmmm i dont think we will be seeing any previous gen evos :) / :( i wanted pachirisu to get a nice evo, but its chill, all my other favs got their evos in gen4, minus sableye so im chill with 156 new pokemon :)
time to dust off my AR for those 4events legends (including Victini) :P
ice/dragon itll be epic... i apologize for my distain for reshiram...
zekrom has been one of my fav legends since i saw it :)
a fighting trio? so gen1&2: electric-fire-ice/water. gen3: mythical ages. gen4: emotion psychic types. and now a fighting trio??? to be honest im shocked, i expected a fire trio or a poison trio since its based on NYC, im looking forward to this.
Pure flying type, FINALLY! with chatots disappointment of being normal flying,after serebii revealed it pure flying, i was heart broken, ive been wanting a pure flying since gen3 revealed no results :)
zapdos evolution? O.o" (i kid) but im kinda disappointed on this, i wanted something interesting, not another zapdos, only zapdos is zapdos in my heart <3
ground/flying? why? :( i dont want anything over taking gligar/gliscor :(

the other 3event legends....
water/fighting is ok :)
normal/psychic????? but, no :( why not ghost normal, or ghost psychic? :(
bug/steel PURE EPIC WIN!
i sure hope its design doesnt disappoint, and as odd as it sounds...
i want it to be special based, thatll totally blow my mind if its special not physical XD

gen5 if those gawd awful starter evos are real,youve made up for it with the legends of this region <3 love gen5

Well not entirely look these pokemon don't have numbers yet according to Pokebeach:
Quote:

Pokemon Without Numbers Yet

  • ???/??? - Zorua - Basic - Dark
  • ???/??? - Zoroark - Stage 1 - Dark
  • ???/??? - ????? - Basic - ???
  • ???/??? - Desukaan - Stage 1 - ???
  • ???/??? - ????? - Basic - ???
  • ???/??? - Denchura - Stage 1 - Electric/Bug
  • ???/??? - Kibago - Basic - Dragon
  • ???/??? - ????? - Stage 1 - Dragon
  • ???/??? - Ononokusu - Stage 2 - Dragon
  • ???/??? - Wargle - Basic - Normal/Flying
  • ???/??? - Rankurusu - Basic - Psychic
  • ???/??? - Gochiruzeru - Basic - Psychic. Does not evolve but may have a pre-evolution.
  • ???/??? - Emonga - ??? - Electric/Flying
  • ???/??? - ????? - Basic - ???
  • ???/??? - Swana - Stage 1 - Water/Flying
  • ???/??? - Mamanbou - Basic - Water
  • ???/??? - Shikijika - Basic - Normal/Grass
  • ???/??? - ????? - Stage 1 - ???: Changes with the seasons like its pre-evolved form. Seen partially in the Pokemon Peer news story.
  • ???/???: Blue octopus. It has an evolution too.
  • ???/???: Green and yellow Pokemon.
  • ???/???: Unseen Pokemon named Burokku.


So maybe Emonga is after Regional pokedex ;)

SIN1488 September 10th, 2010 3:18 PM

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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 6143317)
What could it represent? Zekrom is industrialism and Reshiram is naturalism. They even tie in through Pokemon Species. Black Yang and White Yin. ugh just no. Don't need third fail add on.

So space, time, and random other dimension makes sense?

Edit: Actually, the new typings could make sense. Zekrom and Reshiram represent different forms of energy, maybe the Ice one is suppose to represent lack of energy? ?0_o?

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 10th, 2010 3:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SIN1488 (Post 6143923)
So space, time, and random other dimension makes sense?

Well space and Time were taken away but we could get another random dimension...maybe the third one represents the way of life ;)

LouBeatYou September 10th, 2010 3:27 PM

Soooooooooo sick of Dragon pokes. Im all for fighting. Dragon pokemon are overrated, I love fighting, and poison. I try to use pokemon that aren't used very much. U know like swalot, pinsir, etc. I am not too excited for all these legends.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 10th, 2010 3:32 PM

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Originally Posted by LouBeatYou (Post 6143940)
Soooooooooo sick of Dragon pokes. Im all for fighting. Dragon pokemon are overrated, I love fighting, and poison. I try to use pokemon that aren't used very much. U know like swalot, pinsir, etc. I am not too excited for all these legends.

I got to admit that you are right Dragons are overrated though I do love them :)
I like it that we finally got a Bug and Fighting type legendary pokemon, we are only missing poison...
Also the Dragon/Ice as lack of energy is a good idea it matches the same thing that Giratina was going for you know how Dia and Pal were Space-time well Gira represented the opposite while Rash and Zek are energy and the other one could be lack and energy and also maybe the destruction of the world...I'm thinking it's the sub zero pokemon...

Xander Olivieri September 10th, 2010 3:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SIN1488 (Post 6143923)
So space, time, and random other dimension makes sense?

Edit: Actually, the new typings could make sense. Zekrom and Reshiram represent different forms of energy, maybe the Ice one is suppose to represent lack of energy? ?0_o?

Giratina exists between fourth and third dimensions. Palkia and Dialga are 4th dimensional beings and Giratina maintains the balance of the world through his sub dimension.

I never saw Giratina as a third either. I don't remember the actual Pokemon Games saying it was even with Palkia or Dialga story wise, only that it appeared when Cyrus was trying to destroy the dimension by using Palkia and Dialga and Giratina repaired it. Shortly after the spirits came and subdued the two Dragons and released them from the Red Chain.

The Spirits are also tied into Dialga and Palkia but not Giratina.

Also Ice isn't lack of energy. It takes energy to form ice, but the energy is released into the atmosphere causing the particles to bunch up and the form to solidify. When energy is added back to ice, the particles space out and the Ice melts. The Ice Dragon still doesn't relate to the Yin and Yang portion of Reshiram and Zekrom.

And if this is the third Game Mascot, then the game is going to be some shade of blue as Ice has a clear to natural blueish color. Depending on the Water that was frozen.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 10th, 2010 3:40 PM

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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 6143965)
Giratina exists between fourth and third dimensions. Palkia and Dialga are 4th dimensional beings and Giratina maintains the balance of the world through his sub dimension.

I never saw Giratina as a third either. I don't remember the actual Pokemon Games saying it was even with Palkia or Dialga story wise, only that it appeared when Cyrus was trying to destroy the dimension by using Palkia and Dialga and Giratina repaired it. Shortly after the spirits came and subdued the two Dragons and released them from the Red Chain.

The Spirits are also tied into Dialga and Palkia but not Giratina.

Also Ice isn't lack of energy. It takes energy to form ice, but the energy is released into the atmosphere causing the particles to bunch up and the form to solidify. When energy is added back to ice, the particles space out and the Ice melts. The Ice Dragon still doesn't relate to the Yin and Yang portion of Reshiram and Zekrom.

And if this is the third Game Mascot, then the game is going to be some shade of blue as Ice has a clear to natural blueish color. Depending on the Water that was frozen.

It could also be grey as Hail clouds are grey, also it might get it's typing from "Sub zero" when energy begins to slow down...and finally come to a stop...

Xander Olivieri September 10th, 2010 3:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 6143978)
It could also be grey as Hail clouds are grey, also it might get it's typing from "Sub zero" when energy begins to slow down...and finally come to a stop...

It still doesn't relate to their species. Reshiram and Zekrom were made as opposites and equals, that's obvious by the screen shots of the movie that takes part in game. This one doesn't seem to even relate to them. It was just thrown in.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 10th, 2010 3:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 6143990)
It still doesn't relate to their species. Reshiram and Zekrom were made as opposites and equals, that's obvious by the screen shots of the movie that takes part in game. This one doesn't seem to even relate to them. It was just thrown in.

Well it could be the Tao "The way"...(wait didn't I say that this pokemon could represent the way of life...)as a whole...the true meaning of Yin and Yang :)

SIN1488 September 10th, 2010 4:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 6143965)
Giratina exists between fourth and third dimensions. Palkia and Dialga are 4th dimensional beings and Giratina maintains the balance of the world through his sub dimension.

But space is made up of the three dimensions, AKA: XYZ, and time is the 4th dimension. I guess it makes sense that Giratina would exist between them though, if it's suppose to be something different.

o0PinkSquid0o September 10th, 2010 4:34 PM

omg too many goddamn legendaries, it kind of defeats the purpose!
give us like 3 and make the rest normal pokemon, not 12!

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 10th, 2010 4:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by o0PinkSquid0o (Post 6144141)
omg too many goddamn legendaries, it kind of defeats the purpose!
give us like 3 and make the rest normal pokemon, not 12!

3...that's less than gen 1...I think that 13 is alright number, it's one less than Sinnoh at least :P

MarioRocks08 September 10th, 2010 5:14 PM

They are just adding so many Legendary Pokemon now. Kinda wonder why?

Surmonter September 10th, 2010 5:18 PM

A lot of people are saying "OH NO! LOTS OF LEGENDS"

Personally, I like having a lot of them. I mean, even if you don't count the legends, you still have more Pokemon that has ever been revealed.

Also, why do people even care about legends? You either like them or you don't. If you don't, just don't catch the ones you don't need to. It's not a big deal.

It's like complaining about a spider in the other room, which you don't have to go into.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 10th, 2010 5:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Surmonter (Post 6144275)
A lot of people are saying "OH NO! LOTS OF LEGENDS"

Personally, I like having a lot of them. I mean, even if you don't count the legends, you still have more Pokemon that has ever been revealed.

Also, why do people even care about legends? You either like them or you don't. If you don't, just don't catch the ones you don't need to. It's not a big deal.

It's like complaining about a spider in the other room, which you don't have to go into.

yeah this is true though some people force themselves to capture them for their pokedex though they could always trade them away or send them out :P

Devil Flamingo September 10th, 2010 5:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Surmonter (Post 6144275)
It's like complaining about a spider in the other room, which you don't have to go into.

bolded for emphasis. haters gonna hate. don't like legends? don't use them. don't catch them. ignore them. i personally have never cared about any of the damn regis. i don't use them, don't catch them, don't train them. I DONT CARE. only legends I've ever cared about are Ho-Oh, Giratina and Shaymin. That's it.

Seriously people, take your whining elsewhere and listen to Surmonter, for he speaks the truth.

ManhattanTheStarr September 10th, 2010 5:46 PM

Sheesh, just because people don't like something, doesn't mean you should attack them. People are entitled to their own opinions. They may think it's too many legendaries, and some may think it's not enough, or just the right amount. It just bothers me how people who likes something is praised, and those who don't are bashed. :/

takkunlove7 September 10th, 2010 5:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ManhattanTheStarr (Post 6144352)
Sheesh, just because people don't like something, doesn't mean you should attack them. People are entitled to their own opinions. They may think it's too many legendaries, and some may think it's not enough, or just the right amount. It just bothers me how people who likes something is praised, and those who don't are bashed. :/

This. Some people like to play the game differently. We all have different styles. I personally don't like there being so many legendaries but I'll catch them so I can complete my pokedex. My style of playing. Who cares?

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 10th, 2010 5:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ManhattanTheStarr (Post 6144352)
Sheesh, just because people don't like something, doesn't mean you should attack them. People are entitled to their own opinions. They may think it's too many legendaries, and some may think it's not enough, or just the right amount. It just bothers me how people who likes something is praised, and those who don't are bashed. :/

Not always some times it's the other way around...
Though I like the number it's just right for me :D

Nyjil da Kid September 10th, 2010 5:55 PM

We don't purposely bash anybody. It's just the fact that complaining about an optional aspect of the game can get annoying, I personally hate it.
On topic: I'm pretty sure I'll fall in love with each and every legendary in this Gen. I'm a big fan of diverse trios and legends so these stole my heart already!

Surmonter September 10th, 2010 6:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ManhattanTheStarr (Post 6144352)
Sheesh, just because people don't like something, doesn't mean you should attack them. People are entitled to their own opinions. They may think it's too many legendaries, and some may think it's not enough, or just the right amount. It just bothers me how people who likes something is praised, and those who don't are bashed. :/

No one is bashing anyone, stop over-reacting.

So now, there are three trios? A trio of trios! I LIKE IT!

RiJaN_nEa September 10th, 2010 6:05 PM

Well, out of all 13, the only thing that would annoy me about this is if there were an overwhelming amount of Ubers. It's okay to be legendary and not Uber.

Surmonter September 10th, 2010 6:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RiJaN_nEa (Post 6144415)
Well, out of all 13, the only thing that would annoy me about this is if there were an overwhelming amount of Ubers. It's okay to be legendary and not Uber.

Or if you had to catch a lot of them. I would prefer just having to catch one or two then being done. The rest are just fillers.

Kyo-chan September 10th, 2010 6:19 PM

I can agree and disagree with pretty much everything said, I don't like that there are a ridiculous amount of legends but then again I still want to catch them.

What I really want is for the game to come out so that everyone will shut up over what's real and/or fake. The arguments are really starting to annoy me.

ManhattanTheStarr September 10th, 2010 6:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Surmonter (Post 6144409)
No one is bashing anyone, stop over-reacting.

So now, there are three trios? A trio of trios! I LIKE IT!

Uhhh... I wasn't overreacting.
But I'll just end it here. Not gonna start a useless argument. ._.

Haza September 10th, 2010 7:03 PM

I don't get why there are 3 trios but okay. They all sound boring except for the space robot bug thing.

InfernoHo-Oh September 10th, 2010 7:36 PM

156 new Pokemon is just perfect for me! I wanted a huge number! ;)
I am REALLY interested in the Dragon/Ice type. What sort of tail would it have (to go along with Reshiram and Zekrom's style)?? Maybe a fan looking thing?
I really want to see the Dark/Dragons, I hope they look evil hehe.
The legendaries sound very interesting... the fighting trio, and the pure flying type.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 10th, 2010 7:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Haza (Post 6144553)
I don't get why there are 3 trios but okay. They all sound boring except for the space robot bug thing.

In a way we have four trios...for some reason I'm seeing the event pokemon as the Event trio...

austy14 September 10th, 2010 8:18 PM

Well, I'm pretty happy with the legendaries, even though I haven't seen 'em XD; but I do like the types, and there be a lot but it's like half of the sinnoh legendaries.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 10th, 2010 8:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by austy14 (Post 6144711)
Well, I'm pretty happy with the legendaries, even though I haven't seen 'em XD; but I do like the types, and there be a lot but it's like half of the sinnoh legendaries.

Lol sinnoh had 14 and this one has like 13 so it's not half :P

austy14 September 10th, 2010 8:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 6144724)

Lol sinnoh had 14 and this one has like 13 so it's not half :P

Yeah I looked at it again and I saw that there were more... I missed the legendary trios XD; but yeah I guess we'll have to live with it. I don't see why we need 2 legendary trios... but pure flying is exciting.

King Gumball September 10th, 2010 9:15 PM

2 legendary trios!! NOOO! talk about breaking tradition in this gen, based in America, Pokedex restarts, another continent, and now two possible trio's. I hope the birds actually aren't a trio as we already have one. I hope the fighting legendaries are the only trio in this gen.

I personally think that pokemon are going over the top with legends. I think the perfect number was gen 3. not too much or too little.

I like the sounds of the bug legendary though. Yay for bugs ^.^

solarowl September 10th, 2010 9:18 PM

bug legend will be cool. I'd like to see that!

King Gumball September 10th, 2010 9:23 PM

A bug/ steel legend too. It might be a Rhinoceros beetle as the are strong like steel and a bug. I reckon it will look awesome.

Ragnar September 11th, 2010 10:05 AM

I'm actually quite pleased to see this many legendaries (though I'm certain pseudo legendaries will be some of the revealed ones). I'm interested to see the Dragon/ice type, as well as pure Flying and Bug/Steel.

As far as mascots are concerned, I believe the artwork done for both Zekrom and Reshiram are absolutely wonderful (I wasn't too much a fan of anything after Gen II). Reshiram seems more of a majestic (or perhaps angelic) drake of a sort, while Zekrom is more along the lines of a futuristic "dark dragon, you could say. More than likely, they will be legendaries I'll want to both own at one time (again, hasn't been any mascots I've wanted to own both of since Gen II).

[email protected]! September 11th, 2010 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Beyerful (Post 6142757)
#633, #634 and #635 are a dark/dragon evolution chain:
Dark and Dragon for the dragon family for this generation? I hope the dark side to them really does show in the designs. That would be awesome if #635 was really menacing and scary.

The data on Pokebeach.com says that the First evolution is a dragon, the second evolution has two heads. The third has 3 heads. If its anything like the Hydra in Hercules even, i'd be thrilled with it! Watch though... Smogon is gonna slap an Uber Stamp on it first week of playthrough... I'm hoping for something like, Blue Eyes White Dragon or Blue Eyes Ultimate Dragon but black... oooh... orgasm... :D

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 11th, 2010 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by [email protected]! (Post 6146605)
The data on Pokebeach.com says that the First evolution is a dragon, the second evolution has two heads. The third has 3 heads. If its anything like the Hydra in Hercules even, i'd be thrilled with it! Watch though... Smogon is gonna slap an Uber Stamp on it first week of playthrough... I'm hoping for something like, Blue Eyes White Dragon or Blue Eyes Ultimate Dragon but black... oooh... orgasm... :D

Lol if so it would be like Red eyes Black dragon with three heads :P

austy14 September 11th, 2010 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 6146713)

Lol if so it would be like Red eyes Black dragon with three heads :P

That would be a great design! Haha, don't even remember the last time I've even SEEN a yu-gi-oh card.

Volroc September 11th, 2010 3:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 6146713)

Lol if so it would be like Red eyes Black dragon with three heads :P

or it could just be trishula, dragon of the ice barrier :)
it already has 3heads& it has dark blue colours :)
also cuz
brionac has 1head
grushina has 2heads
& it ends with trishula in 3heads :)

BiZNicK September 11th, 2010 5:01 PM

Awesome blend of new typings.

I see a trio of Fighting legendaries...ninjas? :bandit: of course

Too bad Reshiram isn't all that great, because a fire/dragon pokemon was a total dream :\

:t270:

Kevin September 11th, 2010 5:55 PM

The pure flying-type, bug-steel, normal-psychic interest me the most. I think the bug-steel will be like Scizor xD But the pure flying-type is the awesome-ist so far.

infrastatic September 11th, 2010 7:08 PM

#635 is going to look sick if pokebeach.com was right today. In their description it said it was going to be a 3 headed dragon...

But I have always had a soft spot for dragons :)

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 11th, 2010 7:28 PM

I am interested in our first bug legendary and our Fighting trio the most as we have never gotten a legendary (not counting Arceus) with those types until now :)


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