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dragonite149 September 15th, 2010 11:25 AM

I like it if there's lots of legendaries,it gives you something to do when youre the champ.

JP September 15th, 2010 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by dragonite149 (Post 6156811)
I like it if there's lots of legendaries,it gives you something to do when youre the champ.

I agree with this. I like having these side-quests after the main story is over.

dieter57 September 15th, 2010 1:35 PM

i ALWAYS catch the legendaries. i don't use most of them because the battle frontier bans them. (witch is a dumb idea)
but the ones i can use i train to Lv 100 and beyond! XD

ManhattanTheStarr September 15th, 2010 1:53 PM

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Originally Posted by JP (Post 6156934)
I agree with this. I like having these side-quests after the main story is over.

Yeah, but they should really give more of a story for each legendary, because D/P/Pt was lacking in that... I mean, when you went to catch Heatran, you'd just walk into a cave, battle a couple of trainers, then catch it. I just want for them to make at least mini stories for each one. Similar to when you catch the main legendary(s). :3

Astinus September 15th, 2010 1:55 PM

In a way, I agree with those who say that there are too many Legendaries right now. At some point, the total number of them for just one region becomes too much.

On the other hand, it is good to have something to do once the main storyline is over. Chasing down Legendaries is a fun thing to do (at times when they don't get too annoying). It's also interesting to see the mythology of each region, and the history of the region, and world, that the new Legendary Pokemon fit into.

So, I guess I do like Legendaries, so long as they have a story behind them. I'm interested in learning what mythology these Legendaries bring to the world.

psychomew2 September 15th, 2010 2:03 PM

im hoping that the ice/dragon will have snow warning. itll be cool to have something with that ability without the large number of weaknesses that abomasnow has.

The Red Chain September 15th, 2010 2:07 PM

With the sheer amount of legendaries I have a feeling most of them aren't gonna play a huge role, similar to Phione and Heatran of Generation 4. Neither of those two had a real role. But hey, I could be wrong. They may have seen their wrongs from before and changed it up, which is what I'm hoping. Legendaries should be legendary for a reason. If you're going to make so many, at least make them all significant in some way so they live up to their title. Otherwise, it's pointless for them to be called legendaries if they have nothing to be legendary for.

I'm crossing my fingers on this one. D;


AadmM September 15th, 2010 2:23 PM

To be fair, the Kanto legendaries didn't really have a lot of history behind them either, at first. They only started tying legendaries into the story somewhat with Gold and Silver...before that, it was the fact that there were so few that made them actually feel legendary.

Once you get to a certain amount, it's like...what's the point? It kinda kills the effect.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 15th, 2010 3:22 PM

Well they all need a story of some kind like the Regi's at least...and where they came from etc.

JP September 15th, 2010 3:40 PM

I definitely agree that if we're to have a large amount of Legendaries, they need to tell a story and not be as simplistic in role, like The Red Chain said about Phione and Heatran. This makes for more interesting side-quests.

Echidna September 16th, 2010 5:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Astinus (Post 6157153)
In a way, I agree with those who say that there are too many Legendaries right now. At some point, the total number of them for just one region becomes too much.

On the other hand, it is good to have something to do once the main storyline is over. Chasing down Legendaries is a fun thing to do (at times when they don't get too annoying). It's also interesting to see the mythology of each region, and the history of the region, and world, that the new Legendary Pokemon fit into.

So, I guess I do like Legendaries, so long as they have a story behind them. I'm interested in learning what mythology these Legendaries bring to the world.

exactly, the side quests are the best thing about the game making the elite four challange not the last part of the game, but i also think that legendaries in D/P/PT lost there background. i mean kanto legends, awesome. that legend in the power of one sounds awesome and makes the legendaries have a feel of power and rarety. jhoto legends, same . hoenn legends same(even though the number of legendaries in gen 3 grew significantly) but in D/P/PT, legendaries became dull. all sidequests took , and i am not lying , maybe a little shy of an hour to complete. come on. and more over, heatran , phione , regigias , had no backstory and no importance. come on. i hope this changes in black and white. a lot of legendaries is a good way to draw attention. as long as each one has a legend , backstory , and independant importance.

Xander Olivieri September 16th, 2010 12:06 PM

Ice Dragon's Base stats equal 660

Zekrom and Reshiram equal 685.

Ya I don't see them being a trio now. Nor the Ice being the master cause its weaker than the other two.

I lol'd at Normal/Psychic. She's so humanistic.

The Bug/Steel legend scares me.

coolnick37 September 16th, 2010 1:18 PM

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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 6159153)
I lol'd at Normal/Psychic. She's so humanistic.

Humanistic, u mean humanoid? Or more precisely a FREAK, or an abomination :,( omg how can you like her? Its obviously a PERSON how can you cathc a person in a pokemon game and play with her and battle with her, and keep her confined inside a pokeball O.O

Xander Olivieri September 16th, 2010 1:35 PM

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Originally Posted by coolnick37 (Post 6159367)
Humanistic, u mean humanoid? Or more precisely a FREAK, or an abomination :,( omg how can you like her? Its obviously a PERSON how can you cathc a person in a pokemon game and play with her and battle with her, and keep her confined inside a pokeball O.O

Dude go sit in the corner and cool off. >> You are over reacting way too much.

CZbwoi September 16th, 2010 8:00 PM

Anyone know why 641 and 642 are next to eachother, but then its Reshiram and Zekrom, and then 645?

That is the oddest thing ever...

Makes no sense.

Xander Olivieri September 16th, 2010 8:02 PM

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Originally Posted by CZbwoi (Post 6160233)
Anyone know why 641 and 642 are next to eachother, but then its Reshiram and Zekrom, and then 645?

That is the oddest thing ever...

Makes no sense.

Can you be a little clearer? I have absolutely no idea what you are asking.

JP September 16th, 2010 8:16 PM

I find pretty much all of these Legendaries really awkward and odd looking. Perhaps I just need to see official artworks or clearer sprites. Apart from Victini, Zekrom and Reshiram... they just look odd. Might be the first time I don't like a majority of the Legendaries.

CZbwoi September 16th, 2010 8:20 PM

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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 6160240)
Can you be a little clearer? I have absolutely no idea what you are asking.

http://pokebeach.com/news/0910/black-white/new-pokemon/isshu-pokemon-147.jpghttp://pokebeach.com/news/0910/black-white/new-pokemon/isshu-pokemon-148.jpghttp://pokebeach.com/news/0910/black-white/new-pokemon/isshu-pokemon-149.jpghttp://pokebeach.com/news/0910/black-white/new-pokemon/isshu-pokemon-150.jpghttp://pokebeach.com/news/0910/black-white/new-pokemon/isshu-pokemon-151.jpg
The first 2, and the last one, are identical.
Yet Reshiram and Zekrom are between them.

???

Its like putting Raikou, Entei, then Lugia, Ho-Oh, and then Suicune.

Xander Olivieri September 16th, 2010 8:25 PM

Ah. Well look at D/P/Pt.

Dialga, Palkia, Heatran, Regigigas, Giratina.

Cresselia, Phione, Manaphy, Darkrai.


They did it twice before. This was one of my main reasons for doubting Giratina being part of the trio when it was added in AFTER Platinum came out.

Just something they did. Who knows why. Maybe the first two are available and the third isn't until you get one of the other two. Maybe one of them is version exclusive and like I just said you have to catch it before you can catch the ground one.

Mista T September 16th, 2010 8:27 PM

I agree with JP. Mustachioed cloud men with leprosy are NOT going over well with me.

Oh, and they are all in the EXACT same pose.

Daikenki September 16th, 2010 8:30 PM

... I only like Zekrom. ;-;
I'm sorry, and you can say I'm just being butthurt or something, but with each generation these legendaries get out of control.
Isn't the point of being a legendary being rare?
And not to mention these legendary pokemon are getting too complex with the designs. I like different designs, I like simple designs, but these designs don't seem to work well. They just don't. Maybe someone will do amazing fanart of these legendary pokemon and my opinion will change.

But after you basically introduce the god of all pokemon, what's next? It just seems like every legendary after Arceus will be criticized. The only way to go is down. Now with a new region they may be doing something new. Bring in legendaries that only the region knows about. Every culture has their different creation stories. This I like. This I would like to see. However, this probably won't ever happen due to these legendary pokemon being real in the pokemon world.. o3o

I wish they would limit the legendaries to at least 5 per each game. You can have the trio, and then two stronger ones.

JP September 16th, 2010 8:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Mista T (Post 6160284)
I agree with JP. Mustachioed cloud men with leprosy are NOT going over well with me.

Haha yeah, though I definitely have more of a problem with the last 3 than any of them. My Little Pony, Pixie Barbie, and lastly Decepticon Transformer do not look like Legendaries to me... they would have worked perfectly as normal, basic designs. Even then though, they would have still looked weird to me. Hopefully that Meroetta thing's suppose forme will look better.

CZbwoi September 16th, 2010 8:38 PM

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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 6160280)
Ah. Well look at D/P/Pt.

Dialga, Palkia, Heatran, Regigigas, Giratina.

Cresselia, Phione, Manaphy, Darkrai.


They did it twice before. This was one of my main reasons for doubting Giratina being part of the trio when it was added in AFTER Platinum came out.

Just something they did. Who knows why. Maybe the first two are available and the third isn't until you get one of the other two. Maybe one of them is version exclusive and like I just said you have to catch it before you can catch the ground one.

Ok, but those 3 look like they fit the legendary trio bill more than something like Dialga's group last gen(which is like a superlegendary trio, you know, the cover pokemon).

The 3 birds of Kanto, 3 beasts of Johto, Regis, etc., are different.


These 3 look so similar that it fits that kind of purpose for Isshu(along with those 3 deer fighting things).

So similar that its just a color swap and that wrap around cord switches design.
Its odd that THIS type of trio would be separated.

Xander Olivieri September 16th, 2010 8:47 PM

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Originally Posted by CZbwoi (Post 6160304)
Ok, but those 3 look like they fit the legendary trio bill more than something like Dialga's group last gen(which is like a superlegendary trio, you know, the cover pokemon).

The 3 birds of Kanto, 3 beasts of Johto, Regis, etc., are different.


These 3 look so similar that it fits that kind of purpose for Isshu(along with those 3 deer fighting things).

So similar that its just a color swap and that wrap around cord switches design.
Its odd that THIS type of trio would be separated.

That's pretty much all the Regi and the Spirits were. I mean, ya they are repeating themselves, but its been pretty much one man for god knows how long. 600+ monsters, that is very impressive. I can't even get past 20 myself and I've been trying to make a fakedex for 3 years now.

Cut the poor guy some slack. He's at least trying to keep Pokemon alive. They could have at lease not given us a 5th Gen and ended it with the sour taste of the 4th Gen.

While this doesn't really absolve him, he really shouldn't be put under nearly as much heat as he is. If you saw this as the very first Pokemon game and didn't know anything about Pokemon, you'd think this would be a really good series. Which is what they try to do each region for people just starting.

Ya, ok, these aren't ZOMG fangasm greatness to make perfections shed manly tears of epic, this guy does deserve props for staying with the business for as long as he has and still trying to appease people with his ever growing limitations.

CZbwoi September 16th, 2010 9:26 PM

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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 6160315)
That's pretty much all the Regi and the Spirits were. I mean, ya they are repeating themselves, but its been pretty much one man for god knows how long. 600+ monsters, that is very impressive. I can't even get past 20 myself and I've been trying to make a fakedex for 3 years now.

Cut the poor guy some slack. He's at least trying to keep Pokemon alive. They could have at lease not given us a 5th Gen and ended it with the sour taste of the 4th Gen.

While this doesn't really absolve him, he really shouldn't be put under nearly as much heat as he is. If you saw this as the very first Pokemon game and didn't know anything about Pokemon, you'd think this would be a really good series. Which is what they try to do each region for people just starting.

Ya, ok, these aren't ZOMG fangasm greatness to make perfections shed manly tears of epic, this guy does deserve props for staying with the business for as long as he has and still trying to appease people with his ever growing limitations.

Uh.
That last bit at the bottom that you bolded, I wasn't attacking the creator(s)...:\
I was just saying that's how similar they are just like the other past trios, Birds-Beasts-Regis-Fairies, are.
That you would automatically assume that Articuno is related to Zapdos, or Regirock to Registeel.

They're put into the same company as those trios, so the last one shouldn't be separated from the other 2 in the dex.
Adding on that they look, imo, as the most similar looking trio since the Regis Fairies.


-Again, I wasn't critiquing the design choice(I brought the blatant similarity to attention, yes), I was just talking about the odd dex positioning choice.


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