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Masterge77 September 16th, 2010 10:30 AM

Pros and Cons Discussion Thread
 
I've seen a lot of people here talk about what they like in B/W, but what about the things you hate about the games, what don't you like about B/W that dissapoints you or makes you mad? Or what do you like and favor about the games?

For me, it's the fact that Zorua and Zoroark are event only and you cannot obtain them at all in game, even from an egg given to you, despite not being legendaries at all, that's the thing I hate the most about B/W. I also dislike the Pokemon Musical, as it is nothing more than a Super Contest without the third part that plays out like the Contests in R/S/E.

What do you see as the pros and cons of B/W?

NOTE: This is not a topic to hate on the new Pokemon, this is a topic to discuss what features in the game you dislike and/or like, not a "I hate Pokemon X because it looks stupid" thread, In other words, this is about the game in general, not what individual Pokemon you hate/like simply because of what it looks like.....

Perriechu September 16th, 2010 10:50 AM

I hate everything about this game! it makes me wanna give up Pokemon

I hate nothing I love every aspect of the game, and there's still more to come.

If you have Wifi you pretty much will have the Crown beasts.

abood321 September 16th, 2010 10:53 AM

I hate the fact that there isn't dark gym in the game, maybe because they are too evil to have a gym I hope there will be dark elite four

Xander Olivieri September 16th, 2010 10:54 AM

The new TM thing. Its really all I really dislike.

mondays suck September 16th, 2010 11:05 AM

As long as I haven't played it, I won't judge anything else than Pokemon designs. And I like most of these so far.
EDIT: note that I posted this BEFORE I saw the rest of the Pokedex, turns out not everything is as awesome as Smugleaf and Denchura. Yeah, I am that naive

Kikaito plush September 16th, 2010 11:27 AM

I hate the fact that when isshu was said to be NY everyone was like..OH MY GOD YES THEY CAN'T LIVE WITHOUT OUT US. like who cares ?

Part from that..the pokemon gear.

Kanto_Johto September 16th, 2010 11:32 AM

Some of the new Pokemon. They just look really off. I mean, I've always said don't judge a book by its cover, but still, Candle Pokemon?

Also, unbreakable TMs. They're just making the games easier and easier these days. Having said that, TMs could be really rare, in which case this feature would be cool. But we'll see.

Corruptodile September 16th, 2010 11:34 AM

Meh, don't really hate much of Black/White, fully support it's 40/40 rating. The one thing I might not approve of is some Pokémon's designs, but let's be fair, each Gen has it's own props and slops.

MrsNorrington September 16th, 2010 11:51 AM

The Pokemon. I hate them. I counted how many I actually like. I liked 22/156.

I know I'm being awfully negative now. But I'm disappointed. ='( I feel like crying.

I do know I reacted similarly to Generation 4 and it took me a year to like to them. But Gen 4 wasn't nearly as bad as this....

I guess time will tell if I develop a taste for them or not. ='(

PokemonMaster97 September 16th, 2010 11:52 AM

The list:

1. The starters, ANOTHER Fighting and the rest being single typed
2. The choice of Legendaries, The look awful!
3. The fact that there are no Pokemon that evolve from a Pokemon, which is from another region and vice verser.
3. The first gym being a 3 tye one. Completely spoiles the saga of Pokemon gyms.
4. The Pokemon are based upon to many Human made things, i.e. Coffin, Hangin light bulb, Cogs (Need I go on...)
5. Coz its got to many NEW 2 type Pokemon (Was Game Freak abit Doolalee when They made a Ground/Electric Type FISH???!!!!!)

The Good parts...
There are lots of 3 evo Pokemon. Thats it...

My opinion is that the people who pre-ordered the game in Japan, before they even relesed the Pokedex, are pretty gutted and if this game makes more money than HG/SS Or DPP, then i'll eat my DS, Without ketchup!

Storm_has_formed September 16th, 2010 11:59 AM

The legendary roamers. They just really confuse me... They are part fighting and are on four legs!? So random...

Pyrax September 16th, 2010 12:01 PM

Hmmm.......the only things I hate about B/W are Pokbu's evos being Fire/Fighting, and 5 certain fighting types, as well as replacing the Pokéthlon with the Pokémon musical.
Don't get me wrong, I love fighting types and Pokabu's evo's designs, but meh.
Oh yeah, the vultures, those two are ugly.

Hamilton September 16th, 2010 12:23 PM

come follow me? i don't think so Mr. Tamada
that and some of the pokemon.... ok a lot... are just lame- i guess i'll get used to them

spike6958 September 16th, 2010 12:28 PM

I hate about 90% of the Pokemon in it, most of them look like they where designed by a 5 year old, there are a few good ones, but not enough for me to be happy to sit through a game with them in, I was hoping they would have gone back to the more simple designs of the 1st and 2nd generations, those Pokemon look like they could actually be real creatures, now they are trying too hard to have the Pokemon look "cool"...needless to say it didn't work.

coolnick37 September 16th, 2010 12:46 PM

Dislike... nuthin!!!! :P the games are just perfect, i just cant w8 to test out all the ew features. Some of the pokemon may look shi**y but some are pretty neat.

Calder September 16th, 2010 1:32 PM

Pokemon just lost alot of its buyers... I just can't say how let down I am... New York setting is the only thing besides the storyline I liked... Everything else can go away... Someone hacks B/W and replaces these god awful looking piles of garbage (literally) with older Pokemon and I'll play that...

Ikwaylx September 16th, 2010 1:37 PM

There's nothing to hate at the minute, since I haven't even given the game a try; there are so many new features from the previous generations that noone can really say that they hate much about the game yet except for the Pokemon designs. Speaking of which, so far, the Pokemon designs look awesome, I want to use half of the new Pokemon since they have such interesting designs, many of which are inspired by western creatures to fit alongside the area on which Isshu is based.

Forget the rose tinted glasses with the old design teams, I think Game Freak struck gold this time. In with the new!

GoldvsRed September 16th, 2010 1:45 PM

The lack of a Dark-Type Gym or a Poison-Type Gym is a little disappointing. Also, the Starters remain mono Typed for all of their evolutions... Except for Pokabu's final Evo, and OF COURSE that had to be a Fighting-Type. Other than that, I really like this Generation.

Dominus Temporis September 16th, 2010 1:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Storm_has_formed (Post 6159141)
The legendary roamers. They just really confuse me... They are part fighting and are on four legs!? So random...

Entei/Raikou/Suicune were runners on four legs. Hitmontop stood on its head.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calder (Post 6159429)
Pokemon just lost alot of its buyers... I just can't say how let down I am... New York setting is the only thing besides the storyline I liked... Everything else can go away... Someone hacks B/W and replaces these god awful looking piles of garbage (literally) with older Pokemon and I'll play that...

Besides the fact that you're overreacting and nostalgiaing to the max, I can't help but admit I chuckled a little at your claim that people aren't going to buy it. The huge number of preorders so far disagrees with you, and I'm willing to bet you'll buy the game anyway.

Also, about the word literally- you keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means. Unless you're talking about Yabukuron and Dasutodasu, who are pretty cool guys in my book.

The only things that disappoint me are the starter final typings and that Mamanbou is apparently not related to Luvdisc.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 16th, 2010 3:33 PM

I dislike some of the looks of the Pokemon like the Garbage bag but that's all I'll get used to it...I hope...

Isasapiens September 16th, 2010 3:57 PM

Actually, I don't dislike much of this game now. Of course some pokemon designs aren't that good, but you can't judge a book by its cover, and, most of the pokemon designs I liked.
But I'll play to see if this game is as good as they talk (or as bad) and then I'll have a good opinion. Out of that, the game looks good.

Rankurusu September 16th, 2010 3:58 PM

I dislike the fact that the new Pokedex includes no new eolutions for past pokemon. I was hoping for a Castform evo, and a Sableye evo, but I guess I'll wait until next gen.
I also don't like all of the humaniod pokemon, that could get really annoying.

Volroc September 16th, 2010 4:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by abood321 (Post 6158998)
I hate the fact that there isn't dark gym in the game, maybe because they are too evil to have a gym I hope there will be dark elite four

^--- this.

Quote:

Originally Posted by PokemonMaster97 (Post 6159123)
The list:

1. The starters, ANOTHER Fighting and the rest being single typed
2. The choice of Legendaries, The look awful!
3. The fact that there are no Pokemon that evolve from a Pokemon, which is from another region and vice verser.

^--- this minus: reshiram, zekrom, kyuremu the dragon trio.

Quote:

Originally Posted by spike6958 (Post 6159213)
I hate about 90% of the Pokemon in it, most of them look like they where designed by a 5 year old, there are a few good ones, but not enough for me to be happy to sit through a game with them in, I was hoping they would have gone back to the more simple designs of the 1st and 2nd generations, those Pokemon look like they could actually be real creatures, now they are trying too hard to have the Pokemon look "cool"...needless to say it didn't work.

hey! my 3year old daughter draws better than that >.>"

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoldvsRed (Post 6159477)
The lack of a Dark-Type Gym or a Poison-Type Gym is a little disappointing. Also, the Starters remain mono Typed for all of their evolutions... Except for Pokabu's final Evo, and OF COURSE that had to be a Fighting-Type. Other than that, I really like this Generation.

^--- i agree with this too, the poison types wouldve easily made a great gym in this region, & a dark-type E4 seriously? couldnt we have a gym instead -_-"

Bluemoon September 16th, 2010 4:07 PM

I just check out serebii.net and checked out all th pokemon....
and I dont know what to say....
There is something when I was scanning the pokemons, there was no vibe, the way iut usually gives me. Stuff I dont like pokemon that that are out from being a pokemon like The ice cream family I hate the second one it looks like something from a 3 year old game and pokemon that evolved that that the only thing that changed were its size and color like the alligator family....
I dont like second and third evolution of Gear... they look like gear that they just added stuff on them to make them look different.. and lastly majority of the pokemon lost its cuteness.. cuteness is suppose to attract most players...
But the rest I like them... but rating them from 1-10 ill give it 6...

ManhattanTheStarr September 16th, 2010 4:16 PM

The only thing I can say that I don't like about B/W is the extreme difference between most Pokemon's base forms and fully evolved forms. I think GF overdid it with this generation... =/ For example, families like: Tsutaja's, Pokabu's, Mijumaru's, Meguroko's, Desumaku's, Kaburuchi's, Kibago's, Monozu's (its final evolution seems out of place). I even tried fixing up Sazando, so it could look more like its predecessors:

And then there's Pokemon who's evolutions look like a simply larger version of themselves. Chillarmy's, Gigear to Gigigear (one of the most pathetic things I've ever seen), Kurumiru's, and Meguroko to Warubiru (it should've had a slightly different coloration so its final evolution wouldn't look so out of place).

But that's really all I dislike... Even though I have heard that there is no night and day (which is pretty weird), but I'd trade 24 hour changes for seasons any day. :B

faospark September 16th, 2010 4:22 PM

i don't like the legendary fighting trio on four legs.... that's all

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 16th, 2010 4:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ManhattanTheStarr (Post 6159671)
The only thing I can say that I don't like about B/W is the extreme difference between most Pokemon's base forms and fully evolved forms. I think GF overdid it with this generation... =/ For example, families like: Tsutaja's, Pokabu's, Mijumaru's, Meguroko's, Desumaku's, Kaburuchi's, Kibago's, Monozu's (its final evolution seems out of place). I even tried fixing up Sazando, so it could look more like its predecessors:

And then there's Pokemon who's evolutions look like a simply larger version of themselves. Chillarmy's, Gigear to Gigigear (one of the most pathetic things I've ever seen), Kurumiru's, and Meguroko to Warubiru (it should've had a slightly different coloration so its final evolution wouldn't look so out of place).

But that's really all I dislike... Even though I have heard that there is no night and day (which is pretty weird), but I'd trade 24 hour changes for seasons any day. :B

I don't think that they did take the 24 hour thing as they showed a screen shot with a sun set.

Bluemoon September 16th, 2010 4:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by faospark (Post 6159699)
i don't like the legendary fighting trio on four legs.... that's all

I agree with this...
They better not be using mega punch ... they probably can use low kick...

Daikenki September 16th, 2010 4:28 PM

There is honestly nothing I dislike about the game besides a few pokemon with some radical designs. Just a few, I have more likes than dislikes when it comes to the actual pokemon that are supposed to inhabit this region. What were they thinking with some of those? But you cannot please everyone. Most people seem to like the monkey trio, while I really do not like the designs. I don't even like the water one and I'm a water trainer.

ManhattanTheStarr September 16th, 2010 4:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 6159720)
I don't think that they did take the 24 hour thing as they showed a screen shot with a sun set.

They didn't? I hope so... but I won't mind if it really is removed. :>

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 16th, 2010 4:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ManhattanTheStarr (Post 6159727)
They didn't? I hope so... but I won't mind if it really is removed. :>

Yeah remember the pic with the player( Male) running in a bridge with the sky in sunset like colors so I don't think they did...

ManhattanTheStarr September 16th, 2010 4:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 6159731)

Yeah remember the pic with the player( Male) running in a bridge with the sky in sunset like colors so I don't think they did...

Ahhhhh, I remember dat!! :B
Thanks for reminding me about that. I was actually a bit upset when people on another forum claimed that there wouldn't be any time changes. :x

Garringman September 16th, 2010 4:58 PM

Out of all the things the one thing that aggravates me is the missing 10 boxes in the PC

fenyx4 September 16th, 2010 5:04 PM

So far:

1. Unfortunately, DAI. KEN. KI. Seriously. :cer_cry: :cer_no:

2. The fact that Victini, of all things, ruined the National Dex FOREVER!!! Leave it at the end of the PokeDex to preserve tradition for the "cute"/Mew-esque legendaries!

3. The lack of a Light-type... :cer_cry: :pink_cry:

4. Repetition of the Fire/Fighting combination for the Fire starter. AGAIN. FOR THE THIRD GENERATION IN A ROW. :cer_confused: :cer_no:

5. The apparent lack of a Dark-type Gym (we have a female Professor; so why couldn't this come to fruition for innovation? Being restricted in the Elite 4 all of the time won't help things much...)

6. The apparent overobsession with hexagonal shapes in the graphics. Plain old squares and rectangles are fine for me.


Does anyone know if the Follow-Me feature returned from HG/SS?

ManhattanTheStarr September 16th, 2010 5:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Garringman (Post 6159810)
Out of all the things the one thing that aggravates me is the missing 10 boxes in the PC

They seriously took out 10 boxes in the PC?
There's like... 156 more Pokemon to catch along with all the others. O_O
How do they expect us to fill the National Dex if we can't even fit all of the Pokemon in our PC? XDD

Calder September 16th, 2010 5:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dominus Temporis (Post 6159479)
Besides the fact that you're overreacting and nostalgiaing to the max, I can't help but admit I chuckled a little at your claim that people aren't going to buy it. The huge number of preorders so far disagrees with you, and I'm willing to bet you'll buy the game anyway.

Also, about the word literally- you keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means. Unless you're talking about Yabukuron and Dasutodasu, who are pretty cool guys in my book.

I never claimed that no one was buying... If you read the post I believe I said alot of people will not buy this game... Literally was a joke to the fact that we have piles of trash as Pokemon now yes, but also a reference to the fact that the sprites look like they were made by the Quartz guy...

The Red Chain September 16th, 2010 5:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ManhattanTheStarr (Post 6159830)
They seriously took out 10 boxes in the PC?
There's like... 156 more Pokemon to catch along with all the others. O_O
How do they expect us to fill the National Dex if we can't even fit all of the Pokemon in our PC? XDD

There goes my plan of filling the National Dex in White version. D;
Or at least hunting the crap out of all the new shiny Pokemon... ;__;

  • Not enough boxes to fill the Dex.
  • 13 flippin' legendaries.
  • 50% of the Isshu dex Pokemon designs being rofl-worthy.
.. That's about all I have right now. I'll prolly come back and add more later.


fenyx4 September 16th, 2010 5:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Garringman (Post 6159810)
Out of all the things the one thing that aggravates me is the missing 10 boxes in the PC

10 boxes removed...that means Game Freak just axed 300 Pokemon spaces/slots. No way. And some of us actually use those extra boxes for breeding, Pokemon capture, testing, and miscellaneous purposes. :cer_disbelief: :cer_pissed:

Is Game Freak trying to make us hate Generation V, the supposed rebirth of Pokemon? They were doing so well before with the BW previews/news, and now a firestorm of backlash is whipping up... :( :cer_cry: Add this (lack of PC boxes) to the things I dislike about BW so far, making it #7.

If I had been asked about this thread's question before Pokabu's second evo was officially revealed, I would have said nothing at all. I wonder how big this thread is going to get come "release" day tomorrow...


EDIT: Eighth thing disliked - the fact that some jerks decided to leak the starter evolution sprites so early... The preorders I'm iffy about considering them as actual leaks, but that's not the fault of the people preordering...

EDIT 2: Someone mentioned that extra PC boxes may come with the National Dex upgrade, so that might alleviate my frustration regarding the removal of PC boxes.

Livewire September 16th, 2010 5:20 PM

I dislike the fact we have a thread dedicated to this. o_0

Dark Azelf September 16th, 2010 5:24 PM

Honestly disappointed with the some of designs. Yeah some of the concepts are really cool, but some of them are just "good lord what the heck is this ?!" Some of them really dont even look like Pokemon, a child could draw better, i wish i was joking. =/

EDIT :

LOL @ Epic fail of not enough boxes. "Well gee how am i supposed to, you know complete the national dex?" -___-

LycaNinja September 16th, 2010 5:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Live_Wire466 (Post 6159877)
I dislike the fact we have a thread dedicated to this. o_0

I like the fact we have a thread dedicated to this. o_0

Livewire September 16th, 2010 5:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LycaNinja (Post 6159889)
I like the fact we have a thread dedicated to this. o_0

Yes Calder, we know you don't like the designs, but there are plenty of people who do. And every generation, tons of people whine, gripe and complain about minor aesthetic details. There is more to the games than just the Pokemon appearances. This time next year, this thread will be irrelevant and everybody will be nicely settled into Gen V.

@ Elf I heard around on Serebii that there is a PC upgrade that comes with the national Dex.

Naruto456910 September 16th, 2010 5:38 PM

I was severly dissapointed by Pokabu's evolutions.. :( I wanted to destroy the grass snakes since all my friends were taking it but now I can't. <_< So Im taking Mijumaru.

Not only that, it seems to take a lot of leveling up and stones to make these new Pokemon evolve.. the most common numbers I've seen for 2nd and 3rd evolutions were 30-50 and even one at 64.

Pwnyta Jockey September 16th, 2010 5:40 PM

~Odd-numbered speed/attack stats

~Sun Stone evolutions have always been lame Pokemon in my opinion. This time is no exception.

~O: :U has Sandstorm teamz? I am so not surprised.

~Pokemon droppings are confirmed to be from the nose (ice bear)

~Seasons last ONE MONTH. EACH.

~event Pokemon again...

~Lotto 649

fenyx4 September 16th, 2010 5:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pwnyta Jockey (Post 6159923)
~Odd-numbered speed/attack stats

~Sun Stone evolutions have always been lame Pokemon in my opinion. This time is no exception.

~O: :U has Sandstorm teamz? I am so not surprised.

~Pokemon droppings are confirmed to be from the nose (ice bear)

~Seasons last ONE MONTH. EACH.

~event Pokemon again...

~Lotto 649

Make that Disliked Feature NUMBER NINE. :cer_pissed: And let me guess - certain Pokemon are only available during certain seasons, right...?

Seasons lasting 2-3 weeks would have sufficed, IMO. A month will just drag them out unnecessarily...

RYOUKI September 16th, 2010 5:58 PM

Ah crap. The new Pokemon sprites look like Fakemons, and the Legendary Flying trio are EXACTLY THE SAME, just different colour. D:

EDIT: Gear is this generation's Magneton!
No link to previous generation. Luvdisc DOESN'T evolve into Manmabou. Great, more UU Pokemon.
Dragon Pokemon are easy to get! Or, so I pressume. You can find a dragon pokemon early in the Pokedex.

Naruto456910 September 16th, 2010 5:59 PM

Well I figures it makes sense that seasons are one month. They are trying to make it seem logical, and some people do take a while to beat Pokemon games.. Not only that you can always change DS time.

Pwnyta Jockey September 16th, 2010 6:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Naruto456910 (Post 6159961)
Well I figures it makes sense that seasons are one month. They are trying to make it seem logical, and some people do take a while to beat Pokemon games.. Not only that you can always change DS time.

And not every player will play every day. Who knows. The game could be boring. Or maybe a spoiler that "the possible" Hoenn reinvention could soon follow even the Japanese release of BW.

§acred†Beo! September 16th, 2010 6:05 PM

Well I actually don't have very much to hate at this point in time, i've looked over the new pokedex several times and I can't find much to hate rather then a few over complicated designs. I think people need to calm down and stop hatting on the new pokemon, it happens every generation. There are always going to be pokemon that are simply fantastic, and well garbage its just how it goes. The storyline and new features itself are enough to make me buy the game. This is coming from a guy whose been playing pokemon since blue version first came out when I was eight.

fenyx4 September 16th, 2010 6:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RYOUKI (Post 6159958)
Ah crap. The new Pokemon sprites look like Fakemons, and the Legendary Flying trio are EXACTLY THE SAME, just different colour. D:

Disliked Feature NUMBER TEN. That is quite possibly the laziest spriting ever, and this is for an actual, official GAME. Even all the unofficial Fakemon trios I have come across at least know to take the time to differentiate the Pokemon designs. Just recolors? At least make them different in design. Even [email protected], Plusle, Minun, Volbeat, and Illumise had slight design variants to lessen the annoyance. And this recolor thing is made more funny irritating when you consider that Deoxys and Rotom have multiple designs via Formes, yet they're still the same Pokemon.

I really didn't think it would get this far; I thought Daikenki would be my only problem... I genuinely wanted to love these games.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Naruto456910 (Post 6159961)
Well I figures it makes sense that seasons are one month. They are trying to make it seem logical, and some people do take a while to beat Pokemon games.. Not only that you can always change DS time.

As for 'beating the main game' taking a month's duration, that I can understand for beginners. But if you have to replay the game multiple times for specific reasons (i.e., before my knowledge of HGSS, I replayed FireRed multiple times just to catch the Legendary Dogs. Very tedious when you also have to complete the One Island Machine sidequest), then the month-duration-for-seasons features may be annoying, especially if it puts certain restrictions on Pokemon availability.

I'm unfamiliar with the DS time exploits since I don't actually have one yet, though I have heard it mentioned regarding Pal Park's time limitation in DPPt.

Nick September 16th, 2010 6:15 PM

I'm severely disappointed. I had high expectations for this generation and they all slowly went down the drain with every piece of leaked information that came through. The Pokémon are the main let down I have. There are about... I don't know, five(?) or so that I actually like. The rest of them just look like Digimon, to me, and that just... that's upsetting. I don't think I'd be buying this game. I'll stick with the first four generation. This generation makes generation 4 a lot more tolerable to me, considering I haven't liked Gen IV until recently.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 16th, 2010 6:23 PM

I find it funny how people said the Fighting trio looked too different from each other but not they are saying the Flying trio is too similar :P

Astinus September 16th, 2010 6:24 PM

Right now, my main disappointment is with the copy/pasting of the Legendary trio's designs. A lot of the revealed forms actually made me like the Pokemon of this generation, but that's just... I don't know. I know that they're related to one another, but they really shouldn't look too much alike.

That, and the ten less boxes (to start off with?) I like breeding Pokemon for natures and maybe for shiny quality. But to not have ten boxes until the National Dex is achieved? Meh.

fenyx4 September 16th, 2010 6:38 PM

Surprisingly, I'm actually okay with the Fighting trio being quadrupeds (I haven't seen them, but I've heard that they are on all fours). Though Fighting implies a humanoid form, you don't have to be bipedal to be a good fighter.

Take, for instance, Ivysaur/Fushigisou (love how the announcer says the latter: FuSHIGGYso!) of Super Smash Brothers Brawl. The series' first four-footed fighter, it can still hold its own during some matches:

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb21710/common/skins/common/blank.gifhttp://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080811223038/ssb/images/4/4d/BrawlIvysaur.png

And alternately, since we currently don't have a "Light-type" :(, I see the Fighting-type as using just, honorable methods of waging battle against others, as opposed to the Dark-type that uses dishonorable, underhanded methods to fight. In that case, it doesn't matter whether you're humanshape, quadrupedal, or whatever - what matters is whether you fight with honor (Fighting-type) or dishonor (Dark-type).
I'm guessing these quadruped Legendaries are of the former distinction. :)

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 16th, 2010 6:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fenyx4 (Post 6160086)
Surprisingly, I'm actually okay with the Fighting trio being quadrupeds (I haven't seen them, but I've heard that they are on all fours). Though Fighting implies a humanoid form, you don't have to be bipedal to be a good fighter.

Take, for instance, Ivysaur/Fushigisou (love how the announcer says the latter: FuSHIGGYso!) of Super Smash Brothers Brawl. The series' first four-footed fighter, it can still hold its own during some matches:

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb21710/common/skins/common/blank.gifhttp://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080811223038/ssb/images/4/4d/BrawlIvysaur.png

And alternately, since we currently don't have a "Light-type" :(, I see the Fighting-type as using just, honorable methods of waging battle against others, as opposed to the Dark-type that uses dishonorable, underhanded methods to fight. In that case, it doesn't matter whether you're humanshape, quadrupedal, or whatever - what matters is whether you fight with honor (Fighting-type) or dishonor (Dark-type).
I'm guessing these quadruped Legendaries are of the former distinction. :)

Yeah and it makes even more sense when you think that they are Based on the Three musketeers :)

Kizerzin September 16th, 2010 6:45 PM

I dislike nothing about Black and WHite they are what I expected which are good fun games with unique pokemon. I like all the pokemon games and like all the designs..im guess im a open person to new things :P

funnykid September 16th, 2010 6:45 PM

You guys are not alone. I would say 70% of the Pokemon this generation look like badly-drawn Fakemon. :S

The ones I particularly like:
Victini - really cute, and I like how GF is returning to Psychic/XXX typing for the "Mew" of Gen V
Tsutarja family - smug, one of my favourite grass starter families
Munna - the design is actually quite intriguing
Shikijika - the deer is so Bambi and Disney-like with its own unique Pokemon twist
Wargle - it's so cool

Now on to the particularly bad ones....
Gamageorge - the frog of Gen V.... looks like black blobs/pustules are exploding out of its skin....
Nageki - why are Pokemon wearing man-made black belt coats, and evolving along with its clothing....
Futsude.... looks like badly drawn but also disgusting bugs you want to run away from....
Monmon... I don't even know what it is....
Darumakka.... looks like a blob with oddly placed mouth....
Marakacchi.... another plant-like thing that leaves me speechless (in a oh-no kind of way)...
Zuruzukin.... Fakemon.... badly drawn Fakemon.... this is a nightmare...
Dasutodasu... the garbage bag Pokemon.... at least Muk was cute and simple.... this is just... well... garbage....
Baibania... the Ice-cream Pokemon family.... does not look cute, looks over-designed... sigh.... Don't know what purpose it serves...
Tesshildo.... Finally a Grass/Steel type but I'm faced with a metal ball and three tentacles with mouths looking like they're ready to eat me....
Chobomaki.... dot dot dot.... Fakemon... Fakemon....
Kojofu.... some Fighting Pokemon that just looks like a badly drawn doodle someone made during a boring meeting...
Argh... there are so many more badly designed Pokemon but I'm going to stop here.... Such a HUGE disappointment.


The Pokemon they showed in the previews are actually all of the ones I like.... It seems like they hid the rest for a good reason; not to pleasantly surprise the player upon playing the game, but to prevent people from getting scared off buying the game.

IceDrake523 September 16th, 2010 6:55 PM

I've only been paying attention to the Pokemon. Until today, I was disappointed. But there are plenty of cool ones to use in my team.

That said, I'm REALLY disappointed in Pokabu's evolutionary line. Forget the Fire/Fighting, I just find it completely ugly. I was hoping it would become an awesome fiery boar. I'd also have liked to see some more unique types. Like a Ghost/Steel that is a possessed suit of armor.

fenyx4 September 16th, 2010 7:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 6160094)

Yeah and it makes even more sense when you think that they are Based on the Three musketeers :)

Really? Interesting...



And I just remembered another disliked feature, which makes it up to 11 of them for me. The fact that you need 2 systems to transfer DPPt/HGSS Pokemon to Generation V via Transfer Machine. I understand the hardware limitations, but I thought it was going to involve some kind of hot-swapping instead...

Or even better, have the PokeWalker be able to transfer Pokemon to BW, so you don't need 2 systems... (though that it would be tedious). The 2-system thing means that you have to shell out the cash for another Nintendo DS, or that you're going to become heavily reliant on friends with Nintendo DSes.

In any case, I guess I should be glad+grateful that some form of backwards compatibility with Generation IV is preserved, because I would not like to go through the Gen-2/Gen-3 incompatibility issue (I started in Gen-3, so thankfully I averted the fiasco).

●•ΛΣЯӨЩ•● September 16th, 2010 7:46 PM

I dislike Half of the new Pokemon...

rockets>u September 16th, 2010 8:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 6160038)
I find it funny how people said the Fighting trio looked too different from each other but not they are saying the Flying trio is too similar :P

Maybe that is because the flying trio looks exactly the same?
I think it would have been fine if they were alternative forms, but they are not.


To be honest, I only like 12 of the new Pokemon which is extremely disappointing.
I really like the version mascots, but then you take a look at the flying trio and think.....wtf?

Edit. Also I really dislike how every third fully evolved Pokemon has a stat over 130, especially that bug with 130+ attack and 100+ in both defences.

Ninjask uses SD, sub, sub, pass to superbug, good game

Chocos0 September 16th, 2010 8:29 PM

I'm not hating, but I'm just disappointed in the looks of the 156 new pokemon.
It's just their looks that make me discouraged, but I love the games, so don't knock it before you try it! =P

Pochama95 September 16th, 2010 8:33 PM

NO NO NO! When the 1st few pokemon come out they looked decent to okay but now the huge wave of pokemon that came out. I mean look at all the legandaries only 3 look good and its the 1st 3 that came out! I love that theres more fighting tyrpes but They're ALL ugly, right now theres only 4 pokemon I'd put on my team.

I'm really mad they messed up
1. Mijumaru's last evo when 1st stage looked AMAZING, I LOVE Futachimaru!
2. Only Yannapu's evo looks good out of the 3 monkeys.
3. Meguroko last evo ruined the stage b4 him
4. Why does Rankurusu (My fav B?W pokemon) pre-evos look like pathetic digimon.

I have ALOT more complaints but its getting late.

P.S Yooterii is cute but none of his evos are worth it.

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Originally Posted by fenyx4 (Post 6159829)
So far:

1. Unfortunately, DAI. KEN. KI. Seriously. :cer_cry: :cer_no:

4. Repetition of the Fire/Fighting combination for the Fire starter. AGAIN. FOR THE THIRD GENERATION IN A ROW. :cer_confused: :cer_no:

4. The apparent lack of a Dark-type Gym (we have a female Professor; so why couldn't this come to fruition for innovation? Being restricted in the Elite 4 all of the time won't help things much...)

5. The apparent overobsession with hexagonal shapes in the graphics. Plain old squares and rectangles are fine for me.


I really really feel your pain, especially about #1. Why does my poor Futachimaru have to..... smh I can't even begin to phrase it.

ShyRayq September 16th, 2010 10:23 PM

i really dislike gigigia
and the flying trio
i mean COPY PASTE MUCH
and, as a dragon trainer, the dragon pokemon are really cool lookin
especially the dark/dragon wateva
but mostly, i find this gen to be really nice unfortunately
maybe when the english comes out, THEN i'll tell you all my hate comments

King Gumball September 16th, 2010 10:32 PM

I dislike the badges, that there are no pre evos and evos, that there are 2 different 8th gym leaders, that there are so many fighting types, and that there are 2 trios for the legends. Yeah a lot of things I dont like. Oh and that Belle is the champion. Cynthia so badly puts Belle to shame.

Oh but just so you guys know, I do like the pokemon more than ever!

Foodin September 16th, 2010 11:23 PM

-The starters' typings. Fire/Fighting is starting to get tiresome and the others could've been both Grass/Dragon and Water/Fighting(if Miju's final evo. was biped instead) respectively. Too bad I actually liked the pigs as they're very reminiscent of Ganon from the classic Zelda games.

-Inappropriately-typed pokemon. The zebra and the goth lines look so different from others of the very same type, yet are single-type and neither of them are part-Dark even though they've the physical characteristics required to be that type. Zuruggu/Zuruzukin should be Dragon instead of Dark, Rankurusu and its prevos. appear to be part-Poison, Desukan is too solid to be pure Ghost, Chillarmy/Chirachiino could've been another pure Ice-type instead, what's so 'rocky' about the archeopteryx pokemon, and I don't see any warriorish characteristics in either of the quadrupedal musketeer legendaries.

-The concepts or designs of some pokemon are either mediocre or plain terrible, esp. the legendaries. I want a better Dark/Fighting-type and Zuruggu/Zuruzukin look like very poor excuses for such a typing combo. The Power Ranger-esque pokemon and judo fighters don't look any better either and the vultures just look uninspired. I'm just not into the disgusting idea of a garbage pokemon. The genies look very ugly too and Meloia looks very awkward as well. Of course, that's just the sprites I saw at Serebii and hopefully the designs improve as the animated art for these pokemon will eventually surface.

-The ability "Sturdy" now became like Focus Sash. Now, I need Desukan on my team to counter any opponent pokemon who has
Sturdy" with its "Mummy" ability, so I don't have to waste another move to take out that opponent pokemon.

-Shibirudon, a pure Electric, has the ability "Levitate". Unless the player has a move or ability that makes such a pokemon vulnerable, esp. if it's in his/her opponent's team, a pokemon with no weaknesses what so ever is just plain broken. Neither Sableye nor Spiritomb should've been dual Ghost/Dark for that very reason alone.

-The move "Evil Eye" is Ghost-type instead of Dark. Dark in Japan is known as "Evil/Aku" and I don't see what's so 'ghostly' about this move. I mean, isn't this why the move "Dark Pulse" is known as "Evil/Aku Pulse" in Japan?

-Triple Battles. This has the potential to be broken as it'd probably take more strategy to overcome the opponent in such a setting than it would in a double battle.

-No appearances of old pokemon or evos. of them what so ever. Grumpig and Dunsparce are good example of those who really need evos. and do they have to scrap all the oldies just to make this gen. "fresh"?

Quote:

And alternately, since we currently don't have a "Light-type" :(, I see the Fighting-type as using just, honorable methods of waging battle against others, as opposed to the Dark-type that uses dishonorable, underhanded methods to fight. In that case, it doesn't matter whether you're humanshape, quadrupedal, or whatever - what matters is whether you fight with honor (Fighting-type) or dishonor (Dark-type).
I'm guessing these quadruped Legendaries are of the former distinction. :)
I don't necessarily see Fighting as strictly the "good guy" or "honest combatant" type and only a few pokemon of that type like Gallade and Lucario easily fit the description. Fighting-types are usually bipedal pokemon who appear to embody a certain martial art/fighting style and don't have a "monstrous" appearance like the quadrupedal musketeer legendaries do.

Nick September 16th, 2010 11:44 PM

Okay, I'm slowly getting over the fact that the Pokémon sprites suck, but I dislike the fact that they stated that this game would have new characters. If I remember correctly, multiple sources stated that it'll be only new characters. If that's the case, which I would have much preferred, Cynthia being included in the game - as much as I like her - just ruins that and thus is something I dislike about the game.

zapdosa September 16th, 2010 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by MrsNorrington (Post 6159118)
The Pokemon. I hate them. I counted how many I actually like. I liked 22/156.

I know I'm being awfully negative now. But I'm disappointed. ='( I feel like crying.

I do know I reacted similarly to Generation 4 and it took me a year to like to them. But Gen 4 wasn't nearly as bad as this....

I guess time will tell if I develop a taste for them or not. ='(

I completely agree with you. The creators messed up so bad.

Out of all of them I probably like about 10-20. Everything is just so messed up.

The Pseudo-Legendaries look like absolute trash. The Legendaries besides Zekrom all look like they took about 10 minutes each to create.

I'm so disappointed, I'm speechless right now.

Livewire September 16th, 2010 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Patchisou Yutohru (Post 6160573)
Okay, I'm slowly getting over the fact that the Pokémon sprites suck, but I dislike the fact that they stated that this game would have new characters. If I remember correctly, multiple sources stated that it'll be only new characters. If that's the case, which I would have much preferred, Cynthia being included in the game - as much as I like her - just ruins that and thus is something I dislike about the game.

Cynthia is in the game, and you battle her. She has a vastly improved team as well. :) Also, the Psychic E4 is the frontier brain Caitlin from HGSS.

EDIT: And detective Looker also makes an appearance:
http://pokebeach.com/

Back on topic, the only thing i don't like is the fighting legendary Trio. :/ meh. They are goofy lookin'. But i love everything else.


The Red Chain September 17th, 2010 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Live_Wire466 (Post 6160585)


Cynthia is in the game, and you battle her. She has a vastly improved team as well. :) Also, the Psychic E4 is the frontier brain Caitlin from HGSS.

... Uh.. he said that he dislikes the fact that she's in the game. XD

Btw, I change my 50% to 65% of the Isshu dex being lolworthy.
I adore these games, but the Pokemon designs.. are.. mostly hideous.

I want to be fair to Isshu and keep saying every generation has it's awesome Pokemon and it's stupid Pokemon, but I just can't let this slide. There are way more pitiful designs than there are good ones. It's a pleasant thing that the good designs actually make up for the crappy ones in some odd way. Though, I have taken a vow to faint every ugly Pokemon I run into in these games for the sake of my rage.. :x


Livewire September 17th, 2010 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by The Red Chain (Post 6160587)

... Uh.. he said that he dislikes the fact that she's in the game. XD

Btw, I change my 50% to 65% of the Isshu dex being lolworthy.
I adore these games, but the Pokemon designs.. are.. mostly hideous.

I want to be fair to Isshu and keep saying every generation has it's awesome Pokemon and it's stupid Pokemon, but I just can't let this slide. There are way more pitiful designs than there are good ones. It's a pleasant thing that the good designs actually make up for the crappy ones in some odd way. Though, I have taken a vow to faint every ugly Pokemon I run into in these games for the sake of my rage.. :x


Oh giant fail. D: Whoopsy.

Ill catch the legend trio, but i wont use them or anything. Those are the only ones i can legitimately say i dislike completely. And maybe the dark/fighting type. you know the one im talking about. xD

EDIT: everybody can stop whining about the lower # of boxes, after you beat the E4 you get 24 of them. :D so 720 pokemon in total.

Pumpkin Fields September 17th, 2010 12:27 AM

I think this is the best Pokemon gen yet (a quick calculation revealed that I'm in love with 43% of this gen's Pokemon) but I do have a few complaints.

All the humanoid Pokemon. I know this isn't new to the series but I just can't stand it. That was one of the main reasons I always avoided Fighting types, their human appearance freaked me out. I am very happy with Kojofuu and Kojondo however. They definitely have a place on my team.

I don't usually like legendaries and I never have one on my team, but I just can't look past Torunerosu, Borutorosu and Randorosu. I really wouldn't mind them if they weren't such a perfect example of laziness. Hell, they're all in the exact same position. It makes it look like there was no effort put into them at all. That's a shame because I was actually pretty excited when I first heard about them.

Seasons lasting for one month is a little much. I have a feeling most people will complete their first run through long before a month has passed. I can easily look past that though and I see they did it for the sake of realism.

Andrut September 17th, 2010 12:30 AM

A long review:
Spoiler:

I don't like pokemon designs. Other things can be okay.
1.The pokemon aren't pokemon anymore. Why? They are now parodies of american culture. Look at Miruhoggu,Meguroko's evolution,Buffaron or Yooteri (The name propably comes from York Terrier). The games solely base on America,not like on a random country (There was no feeling you're in Japan in RBYGSCRSEDPPtHGSS). That makes the game a bit dull,i mean with all that parodies pokemon start to be very weird. The parodies are very easy to break,there were almost no parodies in previous games.
There are many pokemon that look rather unsuitable for younger audience,such as Dinosaur-size catterpilars,Gangster gophers and crocodiles,fat pokemon made of waste,Goth Girls,Vile condors or huge intimadiating birds (not counting wargle of course.)
There are also pokemon that look like things that people make,like ice cream. Or dividing from culture,like those black belts.
2.Every third stage pokemon is extremely complicated and huge
Yeah,there are some cool pokemon out this versions,like Choroneko & Hatoboo. (Or even Futsude for me.) But there are also things like starter evolutions,Pendora or Sazando. Anyone see any simple third stage? Yes,Wigglytuff,Butterfree and Beautifly are at the same stadium. They look like "X Pokemon" for me now.

EDIT: WTF?! I may teach Psychic,Flamethrower and Ice Beam to my every pokemon after i find it? The second leader has pokemon at levels 18 and 20? Thanks for the hardness level Nintendo.
EDIT2: WTF? The champion is that dumb Belle?! That's even worse than Iris. Deleting my save file if i'll lose.

Foodin September 17th, 2010 12:43 AM

I forgot to mention that I think combination moves could also be broken if they aren't limited to support moves and damaging moves that are specifically tailored for them(combos) like the Oath moves. I do admit that there are already existing moves that sound like they could be dual-type such as the "Mud" moves but that's about it.

Masterge77 September 17th, 2010 3:27 AM

Haters gonna hate.....

I prefer to put the Gen 5 Pokemon into one of four catergories (with examples of each catergory, in Pokedex order):

Pokemon that are clever and well designed:
Jaroda, Dekenki (yes, I like this one), Miruhoggu, Doryuuzu, Zekrom

Pokemon that are decent, but still good:
Yanappu, Zuruggu, Chillarmy, Denchura, Goruggo

Pokemon that blatantly rip off older Pokemon in terms of design:
Zoroark (Lucario), Mebukijika (Stantler), Emonga (Pachirisu), Mamanbou (Luvdisc), Kibago (Larvitar)

And Pokemon that are utter crap:
Otamaru, Yabakuron, Koaruhii, Baniricchi, Gear

I think that a good third of them are really cool, the rest however.....

So don't hate them just simply for their design, only hate them for what their stats are, or what moves they learn, not their design, as quality is not judged by physical appearance.....

rockets>u September 17th, 2010 3:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Masterge77 (Post 6160799)
Haters gonna hate.....

I prefer to put the Gen 5 Pokemon into one of four catergories (with examples of each catergory, in Pokedex order):

Pokemon that are clever and well designed:
Jaroda, Dekenki (yes, I like this one), Miruhoggu, Doryuuzu, Zekrom

Pokemon that are decent, but still good:
Yanappu, Zuruggu, Chillarmy, Denchura, Goruggo

Pokemon that blatantly rip off older Pokemon in terms of design:
Zoroark (Lucario), Mebukijika (Stantler), Emonga (Pachirisu), Mamanbou (Luvdisc), Kibago (Larvitar)

And Pokemon that are utter crap:
Otamaru, Yabakuron, Koaruhii, Baniricchi, Gear

I think that a good third of them are really cool, the rest however.....

So don't hate them just simply for their design, only hate them for what their stats are, or what moves they learn, not their design, as quality is not judged by physical appearance.....

This is ridiculous, design is a MASSIVE part of Pokemon, just because you don't feel it is important doesn't mean others don't find it important.

Pumpkin Fields September 17th, 2010 4:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Masterge77 (Post 6160799)

So don't hate them just simply for their design, only hate them for what their stats are, or what moves they learn, not their design, as quality is not judged by physical appearance.....

It really depends on what you hope to get out of a team. I never calculate stats or even take them into consideration, I only fight with my favorites. That being said, design is very important to me.

King Gumball September 17th, 2010 4:23 AM

Design was the biggest part of pokemon. Design is the main center point of Pokemon. Without good likeable designs there is no pokemon, it would never have been a success.

Stats are only a tiny feature on how to judge a pokemon, for training purposes of course. The actually design is the major part on how pokemon are judged..


But other people have other views, like competitive trainer.s

blue September 17th, 2010 4:25 AM

So far, there's nothing I dislike about Pokemon B/W, I can't wait to receive my copy! :D

might will fate September 17th, 2010 4:30 AM

I dont liek that their arent evovles or pre evovle forms of pokemon from other regions.

I forgot to say that i dilsike that yo ucan store only 240 pokemon.

PlatinumDude September 17th, 2010 5:49 AM

I don't like the fact that all the Gen I-IV Pokemon aren't obtainable until the National Dex. If Gen I-IV Pokemon had appeared with Gen V Pokemon, then we'd be running into Zubat and Koromori in caves.

I also didn't like the designs of some of the Gen V Pokemon (such as Koromori, Otamaru, Darumakka, Hihidaruma, the Zuruggu line, the Yabakuron line, Gochirezu and Mamanbou).

Devil Flamingo September 17th, 2010 6:02 AM

I dislike the fact that there is no Grass GL or E4, especially when there's every reason for there to be one given all them grassers. XD I also hate the fact that Gamageroge (Water/Ground bullfrog) got the short end of the stick stats-wise. Sure, they add up to 500 (well, 499 to be exact) but it's so balanced it won't do much good. Unlike Whiscash and Gastrodon, he's a stage two fully-evolved Pokemon, so why not better stats? The way he is now, he's just another Politoed, except with a Ground typing, secondary stab, and possibly a better ability (no idea what Poison Skin does yet, though). So I am disappoint. Other than that... well, a lot of Pokemon don't appeal to me, but that's nothing new, right? In every gen, there's only handful that I like enough to use; I'm picky. And of course, I hate the fact that that idiot Belle is our champion; worst champion choice ever as far as I'm concerned, seriously.

ATTN: Has anyone confirmed if the Pokemon follow you around or not (like in HG/SS)?

Devil Flamingo September 17th, 2010 6:42 AM

The Best of B/W?
 
Okay, so we have a thread for the downsides of the games... how about one for what's GOOD about it? I can't seem to find a topic like this, even though I'd have thought it'd have been made already?


Anyways, here are my thoughts on it:

· The graphics and gameplay look really good on video, which means on the actual DS/DSi they must be quite something. I'm all about the visuals so when a game looks this neat, it's all the more appealing to me.

· I simply love the fact that there's seasons in it. It seems so silly or whatever, but seriously, I love it. And each one lasts one month, which makes me lol, because it'd actually be funny if it worked like that irl. In the game though it'd be boring to wait every 3 months for it, especially during the season you dislike the most (say you hate winter; you'd be stuck with it for 3 long months of gameplay).

· The region itself is incredible, I think. I love the design and the geography thus far, and I can't see myself NOT loving it once I get my copy of Black next week. I couldn't care less about the fact that it's inspired by NYC, really, I just really think it's very well designed.

· A lot of the Pokemon, albeit ugly, seem realistic to me. For example, the electric lampreys. In real life, you don't want to go anywhere near a lamprey; they're creepy and disgusting just like leeches. So I love the fact that they didn't go for the "cute wee pkmn" thing, and many Pokemon (the centipede, the lamprey, the jellyfish, etc.) look like they ought to.

· There's been a lot of effort made to make many of the Pokemon usable. I mean, even with things like Pendora (bug poison centipede) and Hahakurimo (leafy insect), they are quite usable compared to many bugs found early in the previous games, and sure, they won't be taking over the OU metagame by storm any time soon, but at least they can do SOMETHING, which is more than I can say for the utter failure that is Kricketune (stats-wise, not design-wise).

· I really think the games have managed to appeal to all sorts of Pokemon players this time around. I mean, there's people who like elegant designs (like me, so Jalord and Mebukijika are perfect imo) and there's also many abstract designs (especially amongst the Ghosts and Psychics) for those with more... abstract tastes, I guess you could say, and then for those that like scary powerhouses there's quite a few designs for them too. In other words, I don't feel as if we have "too much" of anything; there's enough "cute" Pokemon, just about enough "badass" ones and "abstract" ones, and so on and so forth.

· I love the fact that there's a new champ the second time around! He's hot as hell (and his taste in Pokemon is great! Three epic bugs!) and looks quite capable. And of course, I cannot rave enough about the fact that CYNTHIA and LOOKER are both in the games! Platinum was pretty much one of the best Pokemon games of all times, and at least a quarter of its success (IN MY NOT AT ALL HUMBLE OPINION, HURR DURR) had to do with the fact that there's a smexy badass detective following you around with pretty much the coolest codename ever, so this alone makes me want to give Black and White a +1.


...I will post more when I get the game and/or as I learn more about it and/or as I think more about this.

fenyx4 September 17th, 2010 6:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Devil Flamingo (Post 6160978)
I dislike the fact that there is no Grass GL or E4, especially when there's every reason for there to be one given all them grassers. XD I also hate the fact that Gamageroge (Water/Ground bullfrog) got the short end of the stick stats-wise. Sure, they add up to 500 (well, 499 to be exact) but it's so balanced it won't do much good. Unlike Whiscash and Gastrodon, he's a stage two fully-evolved Pokemon, so why not better stats? The way he is now, he's just another Politoed, except with a Ground typing, secondary stab, and possibly a better ability (no idea what Poison Skin does yet, though). So I am disappoint. Other than that... well, a lot of Pokemon don't appeal to me, but that's nothing new, right? In every gen, there's only handful that I like enough to use; I'm picky. And of course, I hate the fact that that idiot Belle is our champion; worst champion choice ever as far as I'm concerned, seriously.

ATTN: Has anyone confirmed if the Pokemon follow you around or not (like in HG/SS)?

Aaaagh...Spoiler tags please... *cries* I guess it's to be expected as I roam around in the BW section so much, but that was one of the things I was intent on not spoiling... :( All these starter evo leaks were bad enough...

On the plus side, at least girls are getting their spotlight regarding the Champion title! :)

And I'm wondering about the return of the Follow-Me Feature as well...

negative September 17th, 2010 6:51 AM

I agree with you. I love that Nintendo/Gamefreak took some risks and brought Pokemon to the next level. The designs are totally new and the gameplay is new. The idea of seasons is awesome, new and fresh, although you made a mistake( every season is only a month, NOT three months). I personally like the changes, and that not every bug type evolves into a butterfly. So, I'm very excited about Black and White.

Devil Flamingo September 17th, 2010 6:51 AM

Oh, sorry! XD I figured everyone knew by now, even the people who didn't want to be spoiled, just because it's been quite surprising for a lot of folks (including myself, though I'm more disappointed than surprised). And yeah, I will be quite disappoint if them Pokemanz don't follow me around this time... :C

fenyx4 September 17th, 2010 7:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Devil Flamingo (Post 6161053)
Oh, sorry! XD I figured everyone knew by now, even the people who didn't want to be spoiled, just because it's been quite surprising for a lot of folks (including myself, though I'm more disappointed than surprised). And yeah, I will be quite disappoint if them Pokemanz don't follow me around this time... :C

It's OK... I was just trying to make it a definitive Pokemon experience as much as I could (like when someone with no prior knowledge of the Pokemon plays a Pokemon game/enters a region for the first time), while sampling the starters and Zoroark. I've refrained from looking at the revealed Pokedex... But I feel it'll be a surprise for newbies to Pokemon, just like when most of us faced off against Champion GARY MF-ing OAK in RBGY/FRLG (in my case, FireRed)! That feeling is something to be relished...

On-topic, I really hope I don't have any more dislikes for the games; I already have 11... :(

Dragonika September 17th, 2010 7:16 AM

Well, what can i say.

Overall 100 out of 10 the isshu map alone is of the scale ! what could they possibly do next hurricanes and tsunamis ? ha ha well overall the new Pokemon are epic there are a few which are a bit strange but hey every game has its tweaks ! I cant wait for my copy of Pokemon Black :D

Livewire September 17th, 2010 7:25 AM

Im glad we have this thread now, instead of the complaint-fest one.

The games are amazing. Any person with a brain in their skull can see that. Gamefreak said they were taking things to a new level, and they brought the house down with B&W. Graphics, storyline, plot, the actual Pokemon, everything. They will be considered the best games ever, after we get settled into them. Just a matter of time.

Nugg September 17th, 2010 7:26 AM

The idea of the seasons is awesome. The pokemon moving during battle are awesome. The battle music is awesome. The speech bubbles are awesome. c:
Check out my screenies in the Screenie thread C:

Shinjiro September 17th, 2010 7:30 AM

Its not the game that I don't like (I love BW and the Gameplay). Its the most Pokemon that I don't like. Though there's only a certain Pokemon I like. But many I don't like. I mean look at these!
http://pokebeach.com/news/0910/black-white/new-pokemon/isshu-pokemon-154.jpghttp://pokebeach.com/news/0910/black-white/new-pokemon/isshu-pokemon-153.jpghttp://pokebeach.com/news/0910/black-white/new-pokemon/isshu-pokemon-104.jpghttp://pokebeach.com/news/0910/black-white/new-pokemon/isshu-pokemon-90.jpghttp://pokebeach.com/news/0910/black-white/new-pokemon/isshu-pokemon-75.jpghttp://pokebeach.com/news/0910/black-white/new-pokemon/isshu-pokemon-135.jpghttp://pokebeach.com/news/0910/black-white/new-pokemon/isshu-pokemon-136.jpg
For god sake! I would prefer those guys on Deviant Art to make the Pokemon than those freaks! I have a bunch of talented watcher/friends there which they're more talented and smarter to make a Pokemon (Fakemon).

Livewire September 17th, 2010 7:43 AM

Here are some Particular likes:


1. Stealth Rock isnt a TM. :D

2. Rotom's Type changes to match it's forme move. :D

3. Cynthia is in the game! And she has a powerful team.

4. The offensive-oriented Pokemon. Ononokusu. :D

5. Pretty much everything else. ;D

Spiky-Eared Pichu September 17th, 2010 7:51 AM

I love HM Dive, seasons, the music and Cynthia. She is awesome!

Xander Olivieri September 17th, 2010 8:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Live_Wire466 (Post 6161141)

1. Stealth Rock isnt a TM. :D

We don't know that. They haven't disclosed the entire TM list yet. It may have been moved to a different spot for all we know seeing as no Pokemon learns it naturally.

For me...hmm. I like everything about Black and White cept what I posted in the Do not like thread XD

JP September 17th, 2010 8:08 AM

1. Seasons
2. CYNTHIA <3
3. Boat load of new Pokemon
4. E4 typings are fantastic
5. Character designs are really great this time around, from the main characters to the Players mother, to the gym leaders. They're all really well designed if you ask me.
6. I'm slowly falling in love with this Region.

Devil Flamingo September 17th, 2010 8:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 6161186)
We don't know that. They haven't disclosed the entire TM list yet. It may have been moved to a different spot for all we know seeing as no Pokemon learns it naturally.

You're right, but most of it has been revealed (and most are in the right places), and I'm really hoping Stealth Rock is not coming back as a TM, considering that now TMs don't disappear after usage, and in DPP everyone and their grandma could learn the stupid move. As far as I'm concerned Stealth Rock should just cease to exist; give it to a handful Pokemon via breeding or leveling up and forget about the rest.

Soari September 17th, 2010 11:12 AM

1. I personally think that the graphics and the animations of this game are better visually.
2. The battle system such as Triple battle is EPIC. <3
3. I love the music in this game. :3
4. I like the design of the two protagonists. As for the pokemon designs, some of them are actually pretty horrible ): but hey that's just my opinion.
5. The Isshu region looks really interesting geographically <3 so, yeah, it'd fun to explore this new region.
6. There are a lot of adorable Pokemon, but many of them seem quite similar to past Pokemon. =\

Masterge77 September 17th, 2010 11:42 AM

This is not a topic to hate on the new Pokemon, this is a topic to discuss what features in the game you dislike, not a "I hate Pokemon X because it looks stupid" thread, In other words, this is about the game in general, not what individual Pokemon you hate simply because of what it looks like.....

[Your Name Here] September 17th, 2010 12:08 PM

What might will fate said. I think there needs to be more evos for previous generation Pokémon.

Hamilton September 17th, 2010 12:30 PM

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the design of the game :) i'm in the starting town right now and i don't want to leave :D
it's just so peaceful... i guess the
MUSIC helps
i'm a music nut. i love everything and anything about music
when i hear songs like the starting town i just want to close my eyes and drift off :)
oh yeah, the pokemon are good too
EDIT
another thing i love?
the jazzy feel to the game when the sun starts to go down. is it just me?


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