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bwburke94 September 17th, 2010 2:38 PM

Not enough space in the PC. 720 spaces - 649 mons = 71 spare slots for my NU team, assuming I have UU variations of those mons as well. There will be more than 71 mons in NU.

PlatinumDude September 17th, 2010 3:49 PM

-Cool graphics
-The Dream World (hello Speed Boost Blaziken)
-The starters
-The Elite 4
-Pokemon with insanely high base stats

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 17th, 2010 4:04 PM

-Cynthia
- The legends
-Dive as a Hm again :D
- The city graphics :)
- and all the DP remake hints they have given us for gen 6 :P

King Gumball September 17th, 2010 4:50 PM

The graphics
Cynthia coming back
Caitlin being an E4 member
99% of the pokemon
Seasons
The E4 typing
The game title
Finally a Man-O-War pokemon
Pokemon Musicals!!
The larger cities.

GoldvsRed September 17th, 2010 5:15 PM

I could go on and on about how I love pretty much every aspect of this game, but all I have to say is this: the Champion's battle theme. Holy Shiftry, that was awesome.

King Gumball September 17th, 2010 5:50 PM

If I buy B/W from the USA and use it on an Australian DSi will it work? Because the Japanese games do not work on American DSi only on American DS.

Butterfree-Charizard September 17th, 2010 5:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shinjiro (Post 6161122)
Its not the game that I don't like (I love BW and the Gameplay). Its the most Pokemon that I don't like. Though there's only a certain Pokemon I like. But many I don't like. I mean look at these!
http://pokebeach.com/news/0910/black-white/new-pokemon/isshu-pokemon-154.jpghttp://pokebeach.com/news/0910/black-white/new-pokemon/isshu-pokemon-153.jpghttp://pokebeach.com/news/0910/black-white/new-pokemon/isshu-pokemon-104.jpghttp://pokebeach.com/news/0910/black-white/new-pokemon/isshu-pokemon-90.jpghttp://pokebeach.com/news/0910/black-white/new-pokemon/isshu-pokemon-75.jpghttp://pokebeach.com/news/0910/black-white/new-pokemon/isshu-pokemon-135.jpghttp://pokebeach.com/news/0910/black-white/new-pokemon/isshu-pokemon-136.jpg
For god sake! I would prefer those guys on Deviant Art to make the Pokemon than those freaks! I have a bunch of talented watcher/friends there which they're more talented and smarter to make a Pokemon (Fakemon).

I agree its like its not even pokemon anymore.

Alaskan Husky September 17th, 2010 5:56 PM

- Gigigear
- Chillarmy evo
- There are about seven or eight new Pokemon on my "hate" list (GroundGhost2, Water tadpole, Gigigear, Chillarmy evo, Gigear, Nageki, Dageki). Up until now, there have been only two.

Heck, I can deal with everything else, to be honest.

Hamilton September 17th, 2010 5:59 PM

well, i change my mind
i haven't run into any problems other than language barrier and so far i can't complain :)
seriously, once i started playing, i stopped being skeptical

King Gumball September 17th, 2010 6:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hamilton (Post 6162442)
well, i change my mind
i haven't run into any problems other than language barrier and so far i can't complain :)
seriously, once i started playing, i stopped being skeptical

So do you know if the American game would work on an Australian bought DSi?

sirboulevard September 17th, 2010 6:32 PM

How about everything. I live in nostalgia land, ill admit it. Game Freak turned this up to 11 and now im feeling emotions I cannot express on this forum. Black & White have toppled GSC.

Zelda September 17th, 2010 7:10 PM

Merged "The Best of B/W" here since it seems reasonable enough to have this as one pros and cons discussion thread. Also, edited the first post to match the added topic. :)

Maxite September 17th, 2010 7:27 PM

Pros:
I haven't been this excited about Pokemon since Diamond and Pearl came out.
If you're a Dark-type fan (of which I'm one of, behind Dragon), this generation will treat you kindly.
Lots of new and unique type pairings. First pure-Dragon final evos. First pure Flying type.

Meh:

Some Pokemon designs are bad. I'm not one to say "This doesn't look like a Pokemon!", but three of the legendaries that look like genies riding on clouds look almost identical.

Cons:
Only 156 Pokemon in the Isshu Dex? Short Dexes rarely do good things, especially when 10% of the Pokemon in the Isshu dex are either Event or Legendary Pokemon.
I haven't played the game yet (will be soon, so opinion is subject to change) but the region seems awfully small. Maybe the maps that I've seen are just highly deceptive, and the region is actually quite vast.





That's my thoughts so far. I'm sure as more details come out, I'll have more praises and scorns for the series.

Livewire September 17th, 2010 7:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sirboulevard (Post 6162551)
How about everything. I live in nostalgia land, ill admit it. Game Freak turned this up to 11 and now im feeling emotions I cannot express on this forum. Black & White have toppled GSC.

I didnt think it possible either, but i agree. Game freak just laid down a royal flush with B&W. They brought the house down. B&W will be considered the best Pokemon games we have, just watch.

Fushigidane-Chan September 17th, 2010 8:03 PM

Cons:
-Gym Leaders and Elite Four are done horribly
-PokeDex is too small
-No Battle Frontier
-No post-E4 location with old Pokemon
-Isshu is too linear
-Gym Leaders no longer have animations
-Final starter evolutions are awful
-No Gym Leader rematches

Planetes. September 17th, 2010 8:07 PM

CONS
-Gym Leaders and E4 Are way too weak-unless you can't heal between them
-Tons of the Pokemons are derp
-No prevos/evos of old pokemon
-Plasma's story went from cool to derp
-only 8 routes
-rushed, didn't live up to the hype
-pseudo-legend was wasted horribly and a lot of legends were too
-laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaame champion

PROS
Unique Concepts
New Take on Pokemon
Lots of new features
Good starters
Cool Gym Designs
good typing for pokemon
two rivals

JP September 17th, 2010 8:14 PM

Can anyone confirm if
Spoiler:
battling Kanto Champion Blue is possible?

Because if thats the case, I'm so adding that to my Pros list haha.

And what the hell? There's no Gym Leader animations? That's so very disappointing. It's something pretty basic now, for them to remove it is saddening. Hopefully they rectify this with the third game.

fenyx4 September 17th, 2010 8:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fushigidane-Chan (Post 6162707)
Cons:
-Gym Leaders and Elite Four are done horribly
-PokeDex is too small
-No Battle Frontier
-No post-E4 location with old Pokemon
-Isshu is too linear
-Gym Leaders no longer have animations
-Final starter evolutions are awful
-No Gym Leader rematches

OK, the lack of Gym Leader rematches is inexcusable. All that does is severely detract replay value.


Removing animations from Gym Leaders seems like a step backwards. You'd think both Pokemon and Pokemon League members could be animated... Old Pokemon could at least be added in a Safari Zone similar to Emerald's expansion...

The lack of a Battle Frontier I kind of expected, but it is still a let-down... Is there a Battle Tower at least?

DAIKENKI
is still my primary "Con" until Sugimori artwork is revealed...hopefully that can rectify the situation...

I really hope "Pokemon Gray Version" will be worth the wait, considering all of these Cons mentioned so far. :\


When the designers mentioned they wanted to "break" some parts of past Pokemon games, I think they broke a bit too much. "A bit" may be an understatement, unfortunately...
And is the Follow-Me feature from HGSS still in there?

JP September 17th, 2010 8:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fenyx4 (Post 6162735)
OK, the lack of Gym Leader rematches is inexcusable. All that does is severely detract replay value.


Removing animations from Gym Leaders seems like a step backwards. You'd think both Pokemon and Pokemon League members could be animated... Old Pokemon could at least be added in a Safari Zone similar to Emerald's expansion...

The lack of a Battle Frontier I kind of expected, but it is still a let-down... Is there a Battle Tower at least?

I really hope "Pokemon Gray Version" will be worth the wait, considering all of these Cons mentioned so far...



And is the Follow-Me feature from HGSS still in there?

Pretty sure there's no Follow-Me feature. Though, no Gym Leader rematches is odd... has this actually been confirmed? I'm very disappointed by the lack of animations for the leaders, but no rematches either? Yikes.

Fushigidane-Chan September 17th, 2010 8:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JP (Post 6162725)
Can anyone confirm if
Spoiler:
battling Kanto Champion Blue is possible?

Well, his theme is there, but there's no confirmation on whether he appears or not. Personally? I doubt it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by fenyx4 (Post 6162735)
Is there a Battle Tower at least?

There is the Battle Subway, which is essentially, and for all intents and purposes, the same thing.

Quote:

And is the Follow-Me feature from HGSS still in there?
No, unfortunately. :/

Quote:

Originally Posted by JP (Post 6162747)
Though, no Gym Leader rematches is odd... has this actually been confirmed?

The game was hacked, and while E4 rematch teams were found, Gym Leader rematch teams weren't. It was sort of expected they'd save that for the third version, though.

fenyx4 September 17th, 2010 8:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JP (Post 6162747)
Pretty sure there's no Follow-Me feature. Though, no Gym Leader rematches is odd... has this actually been confirmed? I'm very disappointed by the lack of animations for the leaders, but no rematches either? Yikes.

If the Follow-Me feature really isn't returning, that seems like a waste. One of HGSS's enjoyed hooks, and Game Freak just axes it like that? I'm surprised that Game Freak would let 986 overworld Pokemon sprites go to waste like that, though... Why are BW taking so many steps backward...? I don't even have the game yet, and already I'm feeling what some people felt during Gen III (i.e., disappointment in removal of GSC's overworld time feature)

The sad thing is that I heard the games took at least 4 years to develop due to the High Link feature.'s programming...I'm a bit perplexed as to why other little features were removed during that time span...

JP September 17th, 2010 8:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fushigidane-Chan (Post 6162765)
Well, his theme is there, but there's no confirmation on whether he appears or not. Personally? I doubt it.


The game was hacked, and while E4 rematch teams were found, Gym Leader rematch teams weren't. It was sort of expected they'd save that for the third version, though.

It's odd they would have his theme but not him to battle though. I really would like to believe he makes an appearance.

As for the rematches, that's pretty sad. Though yeah, I suppose it should have been expected. At least we have the Battle Subway and E4 rematches. :D

Maxite September 17th, 2010 8:33 PM

Eh? Lack of serious aftergame doesn't bother me terribly, as I usually get bored once I beat the Elite Four. Still, I would list that as a terrible con.

fenyx4 September 17th, 2010 8:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JP (Post 6162770)
It's odd they would have his theme but not him to battle though. I really would like to believe he makes an appearance.

As for the rematches, that's pretty sad. Though yeah, I suppose it should have been expected. At least we have the Battle Subway and E4 rematches. :D

Those were the reasons I decided to get Emerald after losing 2 Sapphire carts previously... The Elite 4 gets monotonous after a while when you have a fully Level 100 team, and just one "Battle Tower" mode gets really frustrating when you can't beat it.

I assume no Pokeathlon is present, either... I would've liked to see it expanded upon in Generation V, in tandem with Pokemon Contests.

ManhattanTheStarr September 17th, 2010 8:38 PM

Jeez... is B/W really that con....y? (failword) xB
Looks like the games aren't living up to their hype... But I'm positive that they'll add some things like Gym rematches in the 3rd installment. They probably took steps backwards, to make the eventual 3rd installment seem better than B/W. Pretty dumb, tbh. =/

fenyx4 September 17th, 2010 8:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ManhattanTheStarr (Post 6162786)
Jeez... is B/W really that con....y? (failword) xB
Looks like the games aren't living up to their hype... But I'm positive that they'll add some things like Gym rematches in the 3rd installment. They probably took steps backwards, to make the eventual 3rd installment seem better than B/W. Pretty dumb, tbh. =/

I guess that Game Freak is really trying to make patience a virtue this Gen...while the person completely new to Pokemon won't mind (and will actually be glad that "Gray" improves upon BW's "stunning" experience), everyone else who has already plays Pokemon feels completely screwed over. When "Gray" comes around, experienced players will say "this should've been in BW to begin with!" Such seems to be the case with post-Emerald third versions... Hopefully, Gray clears up a slew of these Cons being mentioned...

Even though I didn't play Pokemon during the earlier years, I think the transition from Generation I to Generation II was the only one where players didn't feel screwed over (then again, there was nothing that could be tampered with to evoke that much backlash aside from Pokemon design). From Generation III onward, the "Generation Transition" continues to feel like "two steps forward, one step back"...

...This feels like the oddest "rebirth" ever. It's almost as if you could say the only reason Game Freak said that was simply to limit Isshu's regional Dex. Though some things do feel revamped, such as TM usage and version differences.

GoldvsRed September 17th, 2010 9:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sirboulevard (Post 6162551)
How about everything. I live in nostalgia land, ill admit it. Game Freak turned this up to 11 and now im feeling emotions I cannot express on this forum. Black & White have toppled GSC.

This, all the way. It manages to feel incredibly fresh and new, while also maintaining a prominent air of nostalgia. I, for one, think that these Pokemon designs actually seem closer to the style used in Generations I and II than Generations III and IV's designs did. They manage to make them feel original, but also very familiar.

Astinus September 17th, 2010 9:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ManhattanTheStarr (Post 6162786)
Jeez... is B/W really that con....y? (failword) xB
Looks like the games aren't living up to their hype... But I'm positive that they'll add some things like Gym rematches in the 3rd installment. They probably took steps backwards, to make the eventual 3rd installment seem better than B/W. Pretty dumb, tbh. =/

They've always done that with the games. Each third installment of each generation brought something new that the first two didn't have. It's how the companies make their money. They catch your attention with the first two installments, to show you the general new things that the generation brings. Then the third installment adds onto the first two to get players of the first two back in, and to get those who waited. While it would make sense for them to put all the features in the first two games instead of waiting for the third one, people are still buying the first two, even if some features are missing.

Right now, I really have no new complaints. Some of the Pokemon designs still have time to grow on me before I completely dismiss them. We'll see if my lack of complaints continues, though, as I learn more.

A pro, though, is the music. I'm loving the music, especially the classics from the older games.

sirboulevard September 17th, 2010 9:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fenyx4 (Post 6162768)
If the Follow-Me feature really isn't returning, that seems like a waste. One of HGSS's enjoyed hooks, and Game Freak just axes it like that? I'm surprised that Game Freak would let 986 overworld Pokemon sprites go to waste like that, though... Why are BW taking so many steps backward...? I don't even have the game yet, and already I'm feeling what some people felt during Gen III (i.e., disappointment in removal of GSC's overworld time feature)

The sad thing is that I heard the games took at least 4 years to develop due to the High Link feature.'s programming...I'm a bit perplexed as to why other little features were removed during that time span...

I think thats BECAUSE it took 4 years to develop the high link. Likely they'll work on the little stuff for Grey. Let's be honest, a decent WiFi system is what Gen IV was lacking and if we take a few steps back graphically, I'm ok. They got something IMPORTANT fixed. As for the follow me feature, they also had to program the new 156 pokemon and since none of the old ones are even in the game until post-game, they probably decided to temporarily scrap it. Or maybe even develop it further. They chose to experiment and it's mostly paid off. You can't expect perfection, that leads to disappointment.

Also... Since we have a pure Flying type... will Roost make it a ???-type? I sense new battle strategies <3~

Livewire September 17th, 2010 9:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fushigidane-Chan (Post 6162707)
Cons:
-Gym Leaders and Elite Four are done horribly
-PokeDex is too small
-No Battle Frontier
-No post-E4 location with old Pokemon
-Isshu is too linear
-Gym Leaders no longer have animations
-Final starter evolutions are awful
-No Gym Leader rematches

After you beat the Elite Four you can find Pidgey, Wurmple, Rhyhorn, Gastly, Starly, and Shinx in White Forest at Level 5.

The Red Chain September 18th, 2010 5:03 PM

Alright, let's see if I can give a mildly good description. Gonna use just pros for now~

- I for one am deeply in love with all the vibrant colors and semi-3D aspects. It gives a popping feel to the games when you look at them, and the color schemes make them stand out brilliantly, even at night. The angle changes are amazing as well. Like, when you're talking to someone you get an RPG style talking scene at times [like with mom], even some where you are talking face to face and you see through your trainer's eyes [like with N]. When you cross Sky Arrow Bridge and when you view the Ferris Wheel from what seems to be your perspective, the angles change drastically. It gives a feel like you are really seeing through your characters eyes, and it lets you get a taste of what's going on much better than in the past games.

- The low HP music is amazing. I'm really glad they changed that annoying beeping to a catchy frantic tune. <3

- Dream World. Having all of the old Pokemon [almost] and some of the new, with helpful and grand abilities. The new abilities, like Drought Ninetales, are gonna be amazing.


- Every bit of the music that plays. It's all so melodic and beautiful. The battle tunes are extremely epic as well. Even Victini's battle theme has this hard beat playing throughout in the most epic of ways, despite being a tiny wittle legendary. Amazing stuff. <33

- All the old Pokemon being wiped off the plate until the very end. To me, this gave a great refreshing feel to the game itself. To know every patch of grass you run into will be a new Pokemon you've never seen before.

- Giving an immense power boost to a ton of the new Pokemon. There are like 140s and 145s in both attack ranges everywhere, and 3 stage evolutions. It's really amazing, and will surely mix up the metagame. This includes the new tricky abilities and the new moves. Alot of them really counter crap like Scizor in the metagame. I'd say they actually studied our current metagame and decided to screw us up.


fenyx4 September 18th, 2010 6:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Red Chain (Post 6165372)

Alright, let's see if I can give a mildly good description. Gonna use just pros for now~

- I for one am deeply in love with all the vibrant colors and semi-3D aspects. It gives a popping feel to the games when you look at them, and the color schemes make them stand out brilliantly, even at night. The angle changes are amazing as well. Like, when you're talking to someone you get an RPG style talking scene at times [like with mom], even some where you are talking face to face and you see through your trainer's eyes [like with N]. When you cross Sky Arrow Bridge and when you view the Ferris Wheel from what seems to be your perspective, the angles change drastically. It gives a feel like you are really seeing through your characters eyes, and it lets you get a taste of what's going on much better than in the past games.

- The low HP music is amazing. I'm really glad they changed that annoying beeping to a catchy frantic tune. <3

- Dream World. Having all of the old Pokemon [almost] and some of the new, with helpful and grand abilities. The new abilities, like Drought Ninetales, are gonna be amazing.


- Every bit of the music that plays. It's all so melodic and beautiful. The battle tunes are extremely epic as well. Even Victini's battle theme has this hard beat playing throughout in the most epic of ways, despite being a tiny wittle legendary. Amazing stuff. <33

- All the old Pokemon being wiped off the plate until the very end. To me, this gave a great refreshing feel to the game itself. To know every patch of grass you run into will be a new Pokemon you've never seen before.

- Giving an immense power boost to a ton of the new Pokemon. There are like 140s and 145s in both attack ranges everywhere, and 3 stage evolutions. It's really amazing, and will surely mix up the metagame. This includes the new tricky abilities and the new moves.
Alot of them really counter crap like Scizor in the metagame. I'd say they actually studied our current metagame and decided to screw us up.


I would LOL if that really did happen. Maybe to get back at Smogon or something and laugh at them while doing it...? :cer_laugh: Anyway, I think it's possible that the developers reviewed part of the metagame and tried to make efforts to balance/improve it more for Pokemon's rebirth, Generation V. From what I can tell, a whole lot of Pokemon will be given an actual fighting chance this time :D...although previous powerhouses may even get demoted (I've been hearing Scizor's name a lot lately in regards to this... :() As for the metagame improvements, a "pro" so far... Reminds me of Karen's awesome "strong Pokemon, weak Pokemon" quote... Maybe Game Freak was trying to make the "win with your favorites" mentality a bit more of a reality...? :)

Argh...I really want to hear the low-health tune now, but I'm withholding myself from spoilers! It hardly annoyed me in past Gens, but the fact that it now has a "catchy tune" just made it a bit cooler.

Masterge77 September 19th, 2010 3:58 PM

The games do have a few dissapointments, no offense they were great game and all, the storyline is a definite improvement over the previous generations storylines, this is what Diamond and Pearl should have been like, the game does have problems, which will hopefully be fixed in the third game, for example, one of the major problems of the game is the evolutions of every Pokemon listed after Chirachiino evolves after level 30, bolded are the ones I find most ridiculous:

Spoiler:

Gochimu -(lv32)> Gochimiru -(lv41)> Gochiruzeru
Yuniran -(lv32)> Daburan -(lv41)> Rankurusu
Koaruhii -(lv35)> Swanna
Banipucchi -(lv35)> Baniricchi -(lv47)> Baibanira
Shikijika -(lv34)> Mebukujika
Emonga
Kapurumo -(trade w/ Chobomaki)> Shubarugo
Tamagetake -(lv39)> Morobareru
Pururiru -(lv40)> Burunkeru
Mamambou
Bachuru -(lv36)> Denchura
Tesshiido -(lv40)> Nattorei
Gearu -(38)> Gigear -(49)> Gigigear
Shibishirasu -(lv39)> Shibibiiru -(thunder stone)> Shibirudon
Riguree -(lv42)> Oobemu
Hitomoshi -(lv41)> Ranpuraa -(dusk stone)> Shanderaa
Kibago -(lv38)> Onondo -(lv48)> Ononokusu
Kumashun -(lv37)> Tsunbear
Furijio
Chobomaki -(trade w/ Kaburumo)> Agirudaa
Maggyo
Kojofuu -(lv50)> Kojondo
Kurimugan
Gobitto -(lv43)> Goruggo
Komatana -(lv52)> Kirikizan
Baffuron
Washibon -(lv54)> Wargle
Baruchai -(lv54)> Barujiina
Kuitaran
Aianto
Monozu -(lv50)> Jiheddo -(lv64)> Sazando
Meraruba -(lv59)> Urugamosu


Jiheddo evolves to Sazando at level 64! It probably won't even evolve fully until well after the E4. And Washibon into Wargle at Level 54? Seriously, what were these people smoking when they made these evolutions. The highest level evolutions we had before this were Dragonair into Dragonite, and Pupitar into Tyranitar, both at Level 55, that is just ridiculous.....

Livewire September 19th, 2010 4:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Masterge77 (Post 6168636)
The games do have a few dissapointments, no offense they were great game and all, the storyline is a definite improvement over the previous generations storylines, this is what Diamond and Pearl should have been like, the game does have problems, which will hopefully be fixed in the third game, for example, one of the major problems of the game is the evolutions of every Pokemon listed after Chirachiino evolves after level 30, bolded are the ones I find most ridiculous:

Spoiler:

Gochimu -(lv32)> Gochimiru -(lv41)> Gochiruzeru
Yuniran -(lv32)> Daburan -(lv41)> Rankurusu
Koaruhii -(lv35)> Swanna
Banipucchi -(lv35)> Baniricchi -(lv47)> Baibanira
Shikijika -(lv34)> Mebukujika
Emonga
Kapurumo -(trade w/ Chobomaki)> Shubarugo
Tamagetake -(lv39)> Morobareru
Pururiru -(lv40)> Burunkeru
Mamambou
Bachuru -(lv36)> Denchura
Tesshiido -(lv40)> Nattorei
Gearu -(38)> Gigear -(49)> Gigigear
Shibishirasu -(lv39)> Shibibiiru -(thunder stone)> Shibirudon
Riguree -(lv42)> Oobemu
Hitomoshi -(lv41)> Ranpuraa -(dusk stone)> Shanderaa
Kibago -(lv38)> Onondo -(lv48)> Ononokusu
Kumashun -(lv37)> Tsunbear
Furijio
Chobomaki -(trade w/ Kaburumo)> Agirudaa
Maggyo
Kojofuu -(lv50)> Kojondo
Kurimugan
Gobitto -(lv43)> Goruggo
Komatana -(lv52)> Kirikizan
Baffuron
Washibon -(lv54)> Wargle
Baruchai -(lv54)> Barujiina
Kuitaran
Aianto
Monozu -(lv50)> Jiheddo -(lv64)> Sazando
Meraruba -(lv59)> Urugamosu


Jiheddo evolves to Sazando at level 64! It probably won't even evolve fully until well after the E4. And Washibon into Wargle at Level 54? Seriously, what were these people smoking when they made these evolutions. The highest level evolutions we had before this were Dragonair into Dragonite, and Pupitar into Tyranitar, both at Level 55, that is just ridiculous.....

The high level requirement kinda makes sense though, given how powerful these Pokemon are, and how long the game is. After the E4 you have to find the Sages, which will take awhile, plus there's a 600+ pokedex to fill up now.

JP September 19th, 2010 4:21 PM

I don't really have a problem with the high levels. Does this somehow affect EV training or something? I mean I don't really see a problem with it so that's why I'm wondering why people are complaining. :15:

Sydian September 19th, 2010 4:47 PM

I'm diggin' it. I avoided every spoiler possible though, so I've yet to find a pro and con like what y'all are saying. Only con I have, and it will later become a pro when I grind more, is the level difficulty. Hardest first gym I have ever been to. Seriously. :|

Kenta-kun September 19th, 2010 5:19 PM

I like the game so far.

Now, granted, I can't comment on the story much. It does seem like it's pretty story-heavy, and I try to work through translation while I can (I'm on exchange in Japan right now), but sometimes I just wanna play the game. Opening cinematic is cool though.

My only complaints? The removal of the complete touch-screen interface of HGSS is shocking, and it will be dearly missed. I liked not having to hold down B to run. It's a little odd that they removed the whole "Pokemon follow you" thing, but that was more aesthetic than anything else, so it doesn't bug me as much as the touch screen thing.

I'm pretty early on (just after the first gym), so we'll see as time goes on! loving it so far though.

Livewire September 19th, 2010 5:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sydian (Post 6168733)
I'm diggin' it. I avoided every spoiler possible though, so I've yet to find a pro and con like what y'all are saying. Only con I have, and it will later become a pro when I grind more, is the level difficulty. Hardest first gym I have ever been to. Seriously. :|

I agree completely. Sure it'll be hard at the moment, but i'd prefer that the gyms are harder. Usually if your team is around the same level as the gym leader, you'll win.

I better get grinding then. :/ haha.

Maxite September 19th, 2010 6:05 PM

I never really paid much attention to how I leveled up my Pokes until after I played Pokemon Pearl, when Byron kicked my ass. Then I've gone with the general formula of being Level 15 for the first Gym, 25 for the second gym, and five more for each gym afterwards. Yes, it's a lot of grinding, but it feels so good just sweeping the gyms. It gets really grindworthy when I get a new Pokemon later in the game (after fourth gym), and then I have to really train it to catch it up with the others.

So tough gym leaders should be a nice challenge.

Livewire September 19th, 2010 6:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maxite (Post 6168928)
I never really paid much attention to how I leveled up my Pokes until after I played Pokemon Pearl, when Byron kicked my ass. Then I've gone with the general formula of being Level 15 for the first Gym, 25 for the second gym, and five more for each gym afterwards. Yes, it's a lot of grinding, but it feels so good just sweeping the gyms. It gets really grindworthy when I get a new Pokemon later in the game (after fourth gym), and then I have to really train it to catch it up with the others.

So tough gym leaders should be a nice challenge.

Exactly, they're gym leaders after all. They should be able to whip you unless your team is very high leveled.

For me i try to stay even with them, like i'll challenge the gym, and if I loose the first time, I go grind until im in the same general area level wise as the Gym Leader. Or I challenge the gym multiple times until i win, and get experience that way.

Another Pro for me is that Cynthia appears, and has a wicked team with her. :D (Wargle <3) The B&W version of Red, basically.

JP September 19th, 2010 7:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Kenta-kun (Post 6168809)
I like the game so far.

Now, granted, I can't comment on the story much. It does seem like it's pretty story-heavy, and I try to work through translation while I can (I'm on exchange in Japan right now), but sometimes I just wanna play the game. Opening cinematic is cool though.

My only complaints? The removal of the complete touch-screen interface of HGSS is shocking, and it will be dearly missed. I liked not having to hold down B to run. It's a little odd that they removed the whole "Pokemon follow you" thing, but that was more aesthetic than anything else, so it doesn't bug me as much as the touch screen thing.

I'm pretty early on (just after the first gym), so we'll see as time goes on! loving it so far though.

Are you serious? I can't believe they removed the touch-screen interface. What would possess them to do that? >_< That was very well received, but then again so was the Follow-Me feature.

The more I hear about these things that aren't integrated into the games, the more I'm believing that these games were in the works much before Heart Gold and Soul Silver were developed. Granted, the C-Gear (I think?) feature took apparently 4 years to develop, but that's a single feature. I would imagine that doesn't necessarily mean the games were in development for 4 years. It just doesn't make sense they'd remove something as useful as the Touch-screen feature, it's something so well praised and "expected to be there", it's shocking they'd take it out. I'm sure they'll add all these features to the third game though.

Kenta-kun September 19th, 2010 7:32 PM

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Originally Posted by JP (Post 6169065)
Are you serious? I can't believe they removed the touch-screen interface. What would possess them to do that? >_< That was very well received, but then again so was the Follow-Me feature.

It's weird, because the menu itself is still on the touch screen...you just have to press X to bring it up. And you have to hold B to run again. And there's no initiating or scrolling through dialog using the touch screen.

JP September 19th, 2010 7:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Kenta-kun (Post 6169089)
It's weird, because the menu itself is still on the touch screen...you just have to press X to bring it up. And you have to hold B to run again. And there's no initiating or scrolling through dialog using the touch screen.

That's very weird. Though, most of that stuff I still do just out of habit haha. I was getting use to not having to press B though, that's still disappointing.

blueguy September 19th, 2010 7:42 PM

Having not finished the game yet, I can't completely dismiss the games, but simply in terms of Pokémon designs, I feel this is the worst generation so far. There are a few I really like, but most are quite ugly. The Flying, Electric/Flying and Ground/Flying trio are basically re-palettes, and don't even get me started on the Fighting-type trio. So much wtf.

Captain Riolu September 19th, 2010 8:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Kenta-kun (Post 6169089)
It's weird, because the menu itself is still on the touch screen...you just have to press X to bring it up. And you have to hold B to run again. And there's no initiating or scrolling through dialog using the touch screen.

This is my biggest complaint. Way to take a step back Gamefreak.

I love the music. Especially how it changes in certain conditions, like season, time of day, and Pokemon's health.

fenyx4 September 19th, 2010 8:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Kenta-kun (Post 6169089)
It's weird, because the menu itself is still on the touch screen...you just have to press X to bring it up. And you have to hold B to run again. And there's no initiating or scrolling through dialog using the touch screen.

That sucks! I haven't even played HGSS, but I heard that you didn't have to hold B anymore, which was a great alteration for past titles... Why did Game Freak take another step back (same thing with the Follow-Me feature). I'm really hoping the features return in BW's "third version", becuase the removal of such cherished "pros" of HGSS is shocking...

King Gumball September 19th, 2010 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Masterge77 (Post 6168636)
The games do have a few dissapointments, no offense they were great game and all, the storyline is a definite improvement over the previous generations storylines, this is what Diamond and Pearl should have been like, the game does have problems, which will hopefully be fixed in the third game, for example, one of the major problems of the game is the evolutions of every Pokemon listed after Chirachiino evolves after level 30, bolded are the ones I find most ridiculous:

Spoiler:

Gochimu -(lv32)> Gochimiru -(lv41)> Gochiruzeru
Yuniran -(lv32)> Daburan -(lv41)> Rankurusu
Koaruhii -(lv35)> Swanna
Banipucchi -(lv35)> Baniricchi -(lv47)> Baibanira
Shikijika -(lv34)> Mebukujika
Emonga
Kapurumo -(trade w/ Chobomaki)> Shubarugo
Tamagetake -(lv39)> Morobareru
Pururiru -(lv40)> Burunkeru
Mamambou
Bachuru -(lv36)> Denchura
Tesshiido -(lv40)> Nattorei
Gearu -(38)> Gigear -(49)> Gigigear
Shibishirasu -(lv39)> Shibibiiru -(thunder stone)> Shibirudon
Riguree -(lv42)> Oobemu
Hitomoshi -(lv41)> Ranpuraa -(dusk stone)> Shanderaa
Kibago -(lv38)> Onondo -(lv48)> Ononokusu
Kumashun -(lv37)> Tsunbear
Furijio
Chobomaki -(trade w/ Kaburumo)> Agirudaa
Maggyo
Kojofuu -(lv50)> Kojondo
Kurimugan
Gobitto -(lv43)> Goruggo
Komatana -(lv52)> Kirikizan
Baffuron
Washibon -(lv54)> Wargle
Baruchai -(lv54)> Barujiina
Kuitaran
Aianto
Monozu -(lv50)> Jiheddo -(lv64)> Sazando
Meraruba -(lv59)> Urugamosu


Jiheddo evolves to Sazando at level 64! It probably won't even evolve fully until well after the E4. And Washibon into Wargle at Level 54? Seriously, what were these people smoking when they made these evolutions. The highest level evolutions we had before this were Dragonair into Dragonite, and Pupitar into Tyranitar, both at Level 55, that is just ridiculous.....

OMG why so HIGH!! this is ridiculous! Level 54 for that tiny baby chick to become a Wargle!!

http://veekun.com/dex/media/black-white/543.pngThis evolves into its cocoon at level 22, compared to Caterpie evolving at like lv 8. Then http://veekun.com/dex/media/black-white/544.pngevolves at level 30 into http://veekun.com/dex/media/black-white/545.pngcompared to Metapod evolving at like lv 10


same goes for these bug types http://veekun.com/dex/media/black-white/540.pngevolves at lv20http://veekun.com/dex/media/black-white/541.png then level up with happiness into http://veekun.com/dex/media/black-white/542.png

BUT the stats are WAYY higher than normal!! 490 total compared to Butterfree's 385 total. Does this mean that gen 5 pokemon will all be way stronger than their previous gen counterparts?

EDIT: http://veekun.com/dex/media/black-white/432.png is more powerful than http://veekun.com/dex/media/black-white/510.png so maybe only the pokemon that evolve in their 60's and late 50's are the extraordinarily powerful pokemon. like my pokemon diagrams? I love how this forum allows drag and drop with pics, you dont need to upload them in Image shak

Sage Harpuia September 20th, 2010 8:00 AM

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Originally Posted by JP (Post 6162770)
It's odd they would have his theme but not him to battle though. I really would like to believe he makes an appearance.

The theme is here, but there is no trace of his sprite. So I guess it will be used for global link battle, when you face someone up in the ranks (if I remember correctly there was a no-friend-code-global-battle thing, right?).

JP September 20th, 2010 8:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Sage Harpuia (Post 6169884)
The theme is here, but there is no trace of his sprite. So I guess it will be used for global link battle, when you face someone up in the ranks (if I remember correctly there was a no-friend-code-global-battle thing, right?).

Disappointing but not that surprising I suppose. At least we get Cynthia. <3

I Date Flaffy's September 20th, 2010 12:49 PM

The UnOffical 5th Gen Pokemon Hate thread
 
So the 5th gen has been out for a few days ow and we have had a good look at the new pokemon and as ive been going thought them i was getting dissopointed with some of the designs personally i think there are too many 2 stage familys and not enough 3 stage ones

So i want to know if there any pokemon you hate with a passion from the 5th gen.
Dont get me wrong the games are amazing and ive been having so much fun playing them but some designs are just clear misses.


For example ill start with this one

they had such a good chance with the monkey trio but this one ruined it for me it looks like a pot head

okay i have a few more i would like to go over but ill let other people have a chance letthe hate commence :D

Zelda September 20th, 2010 1:00 PM

Merged since you can discuss what you don't like and/or what you like here. Be sure to look around Black and White before creating a thread as there might already be a thread for an idea you have in mind. ;)

I think one of the cool things B/W did was remove the beeping sound when a pokémon reaches low HP. It got quite annoying sometimes and made me miss out the track music so I could turn off the sound. :\

mrunner4home September 20th, 2010 1:12 PM

I personally think it's awesome that pokemon evolve at such high levels. before, once you got to about lv 50-60, all your pokemon were evolved, knew pretty much all their moves, etc, plus all the gyms were already defeated and the map fully explored...... it made playing the game any further boring and kind of a waste of time.

now, though, pokemon evolve and learn moves at higher levels so it makes you want to play the game more through

[this is talking as the average player who just plays through the game, not hard-core playing. not talking about me because I raise all of my pokemon that I catch (all of the pokedex) and play much more than the average one time-play through player, but talking as someone who knows what they're talking about because he used to be that average player :D]

blue September 20th, 2010 1:12 PM

Not far into the game (Only just defeated 2nd Gym Leader Aloe) and I can't fault the game really, having so much fun playing it, I love it, music, graphics, storyline = epic! :).

coolnick37 September 20th, 2010 1:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Suicune™ (Post 6170467)
I love it, music, graphics, storyline = epic! :).

^^ exactly, after i beat it ill do it once again on the english version then ill just freeze myself untill the 3rd game comes out, probably on 3ds, which means even better graphics and stuff :D
Im just in hiuin city, and im amazed how pokemon changed since gold and silver (my first pokemon games :3)

blue September 20th, 2010 1:50 PM

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Originally Posted by coolnick37 (Post 6170502)
^^ exactly, after i beat it ill do it once again on the english version then ill just freeze myself untill the 3rd game comes out, probably on 3ds, which means even better graphics and stuff :D
Im just in hiuin city, and im amazed how pokemon changed since gold and silver (my first pokemon games :3)

Yeah, exactily what I plan to do, Complete Japanese Pokemon White then wait untill it comes out in English and buy Pokemon Black with the Different Version Exclusives then I'll buy the 3rd game (if there is one which there probally will be) and I know, they've changed so much since G/B/C and i'm currently in the forest full of Team Plasmas :).

Masterge77 September 20th, 2010 1:50 PM

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Originally Posted by lucaspontes (Post 6170534)
I think that game is so unique, that it doesn't deserve to be called Gen. V. The new names could be like that:

Gen. I -> Gen. I-I
Gen. II -> Gen. I-II
Gen. III -> Gen. I-III
Gen. IV -> Gen. I-IV
Gen. V -> Gen. II-I

That's very clever, after all, it's almost an entirely new game.....

stargate1995 September 21st, 2010 12:14 AM

TBH I love everything about this gen, except for 1 thing, the base stats, for someone who has just gotten into competitive battling and has some favorite pokemon(namely salamence and metagross) these pokemon from the last gens are all weak compared to the new pokes, e.g. Salamence with 135 attack, 80 def and spd agianst ononkusa with 147 attack 90 def, 70 spd, the only thing mence has going for him now is his HP :(.

And now thanks to sanderaa(80 base speed, it doesn't even look like it's fast >.>) and his huge sp attack he can now ko Metagross who is just slower then it. This means that I now have two staples on my team that I refuse to replace that are now useless because a ton of pokemon got stats that areway to high!

I mean look at the base stat totals of some of these pokes(the base attack of the new national bugs last stage is 108 >.<) there way to high for some of them...

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Originally Posted by I Date Flaffy's (Post 6170427)
So i want to know if there any pokemon you hate with a passion from the 5th gen.

Yes sanderaa I wouldn't mind him if he hadn't taken a couple steriods before entering the games.

mrunner4home September 21st, 2010 12:44 PM

how do black and white compare to the rest of the pokemon games?
 
alright, I haven't played it, but I'm looking for what the people who have played it think, to get me more excited for when I do play it :D (and the others who are waiting for the english version, too)


which is the best pokemon game out? does b/w top the rest? if not is it better than any of the games? is it second best? what beats it if it isn't the best?

most importantly: are b/w better than the johto region games (my favorite region so far, which many will agree with)?


what makes them so much better/worse?

Kronos September 21st, 2010 1:13 PM

I like much of the music, and the pokemon animations are cool.
I miss the pokemon walking behind you feature, as well as some other features (especially the not bieng allowed to post screencaptures, NoA T.T )

Kenta-kun September 21st, 2010 2:16 PM

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Originally Posted by mrunner4home (Post 6172545)
alright, I haven't played it, but I'm looking for what the people who have played it think, to get me more excited for when I do play it :D (and the others who are waiting for the english version, too)


which is the best pokemon game out? does b/w top the rest? if not is it better than any of the games? is it second best? what beats it if it isn't the best?

most importantly: are b/w better than the johto region games (my favorite region so far, which many will agree with)?


what makes them so much better/worse?

Now, do you mean 2nd gen, or the 4th gen Johto games? I happen to prefer 2nd gen, myself, and while I'll admit that a huge chunk of that is nostalgia, another huge chunk is them being incredible games. A close second is the 3rd gen remakes of 1st gen.

If we ignore remakes here for a sec, then 5th gen is probably my second-favorite gen, after 2nd. I love the entirely new batch of Pokemon. Haters gonna hate, and all that. Some look stupid, sure, but even the first 151 had some pretty stupid Pokemon. It's actually sorta hard to include remakes, because I like the remakes in each gen quite a bit more than the actual new games of those gens. I do feel like 5th is a step back from HGSS, particularly in terms of touch screen controls, but there's still a lot to like. The music is excellent, the new battle effects cool. Gameplay is, so far, the same as it's ever been.

Unfortunately, I can't comment on things like plot yet, seeing as how I can barely read Japanese. It seems, as always, even more of a driving factor in the game than the last ones. I have mixed feelings about this. I have always loved the first 2 gens because they didn't try to be much more than a child's journey. They had no delusions: the villains were Saturday morning cartoon villains, there was no attempt to be epic. Team Rocket wanted to steal Pokemon. Stealing is bad; therefore, they are bad. That works fine. It gives you an adversary without straining the player's suspension of disbelief. But when you have environmental terrorists and men with god delusions, trying to get the God Pokemon to become a god, it makes less and less sense that these guys would bend over and just stop because a ten year old's monsters beat their monsters in a battle fought one on one according to an arbitrary system of rules. The more serious the plots try to be, the more dissonant the games become with the core concept, and anyways I like my Pokemon uncomplicated. That said, the opening cutscene of B/W has me intrigued.

I'd say my only real disappointment in the game, touch screen controls aside, is the lack of changing up anything substantial. The HMs are all the same moves again (so far). The starters are all the same types (hell, Pokebuu's evolutions are, yet again, Fire-Fighting. For the third gen in a row). I don't want Pokemon to change up its core battle system much, but it seems the main focus of this one was...whatever the C-Gear does for online battles. And that just seems so incremental.

But yeah! Games are good. I will absolutely buy them (or one, anyways) again in English.

mrunner4home September 21st, 2010 3:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Kenta-kun (Post 6172726)
Now, do you mean 2nd gen, or the 4th gen Johto games? I happen to prefer 2nd gen, myself, and while I'll admit that a huge chunk of that is nostalgia, another huge chunk is them being incredible games. A close second is the 3rd gen remakes of 1st gen.

If we ignore remakes here for a sec, then 5th gen is probably my second-favorite gen, after 2nd. I love the entirely new batch of Pokemon. Haters gonna hate, and all that. Some look stupid, sure, but even the first 151 had some pretty stupid Pokemon. It's actually sorta hard to include remakes, because I like the remakes in each gen quite a bit more than the actual new games of those gens. I do feel like 5th is a step back from HGSS, particularly in terms of touch screen controls, but there's still a lot to like. The music is excellent, the new battle effects cool. Gameplay is, so far, the same as it's ever been.

Unfortunately, I can't comment on things like plot yet, seeing as how I can barely read Japanese. It seems, as always, even more of a driving factor in the game than the last ones. I have mixed feelings about this. I have always loved the first 2 gens because they didn't try to be much more than a child's journey. They had no delusions: the villains were Saturday morning cartoon villains, there was no attempt to be epic. Team Rocket wanted to steal Pokemon. Stealing is bad; therefore, they are bad. That works fine. It gives you an adversary without straining the player's suspension of disbelief. But when you have environmental terrorists and men with god delusions, trying to get the God Pokemon to become a god, it makes less and less sense that these guys would bend over and just stop because a ten year old's monsters beat their monsters in a battle fought one on one according to an arbitrary system of rules. The more serious the plots try to be, the more dissonant the games become with the core concept, and anyways I like my Pokemon uncomplicated. That said, the opening cutscene of B/W has me intrigued.

I'd say my only real disappointment in the game, touch screen controls aside, is the lack of changing up anything substantial. The HMs are all the same moves again (so far). The starters are all the same types (hell, Pokebuu's evolutions are, yet again, Fire-Fighting. For the third gen in a row). I don't want Pokemon to change up its core battle system much, but it seems the main focus of this one was...whatever the C-Gear does for online battles. And that just seems so incremental.

But yeah! Games are good. I will absolutely buy them (or one, anyways) again in English.

- I meant both really. just the johto region in general is excellent.

- the touch screen isn't like it was in hg/ss? that's disappointing. how so do you mean? like back to the diamond way things were? because I'm pretty sure I saw a screenshot with the game saving on the bottom screen... so is it a total jump back or just some features of the touch screen were taken away?

- I thought hm's were taken away from the new games, with all tms just being permanent. is this not true or do they just categorize the two still?

- yeah, the fire-fighting starter is a real let down. I always took the fire starters before they came. I used each of the fire-fight ones and hated them all... hopefully the 5th gen one isn't so bad because water and grass pokemon are too common, and fire ones aren't common enough

Kenta-kun September 21st, 2010 3:46 PM

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Originally Posted by mrunner4home (Post 6172905)
the touch screen isn't like it was in hg/ss? that's disappointing. how so do you mean? like back to the diamond way things were? because I'm pretty sure I saw a screenshot with the game saving on the bottom screen... so is it a total jump back or just some features of the touch screen were taken away?

It's not as bad as 4th gen, but instead kind of occupies a point between DPP and HGSS. Basically, yes, the menu is on the touch screen. However, X still needs to be pressed to bring it up. There's no scrolling through text (outside of battle, anyways) or interacting with the environment on the touch screen, no accessing set items through it, and you have to hold B to run again.

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Originally Posted by mrunner4home (Post 6172905)
I thought hm's were taken away from the new games, with all tms just being permanent. is this not true or do they just categorize the two still?

HMs are still categorized separately. I'm actually not sure if they can be forgotten or not, I haven't tried yet. The TMs don't break, though, that part is right.

mrunner4home September 21st, 2010 3:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Kenta-kun (Post 6172928)
It's not as bad as 4th gen, but instead kind of occupies a point between DPP and HGSS. Basically, yes, the menu is on the touch screen. However, X still needs to be pressed to bring it up. There's no scrolling through text (outside of battle, anyways) or interacting with the environment on the touch screen, no accessing set items through it, and you have to hold B to run again.


so in other words it's on the touch screen but not touchable? O_o'

Kenta-kun September 21st, 2010 3:52 PM

Aah, sorry, yeah. It can be touched, once X brings it up. The touch screen just doesn't have the insane level of functionality that it did in HGSS, is all. Just the menu (which can't even be brought up with the touch screen. I find this bizarre), the C-Gear, and battle stuff.

mondays suck September 26th, 2010 9:53 AM

Not sure if this is true or has been discussed yet, but to me it appeared that exp gain is modified by the level distance of your Pokemon towards the enemy.
For example, some days ago when I made an attempt at a BW Nuzlocke and tried to bait+switch-grind my Angrydoof, it got about double the exp my Smugleaf got. Or, when I was grinding for the first gym on the route between the second and third city, I got decent exp early on, but around level 12, level 7 enemies only seemed to give about 30-40 exp.
Has this been viewed before or am I just an idiot?

Perriechu September 26th, 2010 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by mondays suck (Post 6183472)
Not sure if this is true or has been discussed yet, but to me it appeared that exp gain is modified by the level distance of your Pokemon towards the enemy.
For example, some days ago when I made an attempt at a BW Nuzlocke and tried to bait+switch-grind my Angrydoof, it got about double the exp my Smugleaf got. Or, when I was grinding for the first gym on the route between the second and third city, I got decent exp early on, but around level 12, level 7 enemies only seemed to give about 30-40 exp.
Has this been viewed before or am I just an idiot?

I think your right.

When I received my Monkey, I noticed it was getting more Exp that Mijumaru,
Like in the first gym I was battling blah, I switched out for the Monkey, and it gained more.

On topic : I don't really hate anything about the new game.
I love how they took away the horrible beeping noise when you get into red health and replaced it with different music, I actually like the music to this gen more than the others.

The only thing that bugs me is that they took away the Pokemon following you. Other than that everything is amazing.

fenyx4 September 26th, 2010 4:50 PM

OK, I just noticed another con. Apparently, BW only introduced one new Poke Ball, the Dream Ball, which I assume is going to be used specifically to catch Dream World Pokemon... But not only that, the Apricorn Balls are unobtainable except by hacking! :cer_pissed:
Would it have been that hard to include areas to grow Apricorn trees in the games (not to mention Berries)?

I don't even have HeartGold yet, and I was already intrigued by the Apricorn Balls...

kohei September 26th, 2010 6:21 PM

Some points which I didn't like:
- Panic music, when your Pokemon's HP is low. It's ok for regular trainer battles, but ruins the moment in gym/E4/event battles with unique music.
- No auto-run.
- Touch screen isn't as useful as HGSS.
- Rearranging Pokemon in the PC box seems slower, and no mass-select like RSE.
- No rematching against most trainers, some exist but only in fixed areas.
- Unable to bring items from 4th gen (though this is 5th gen, and I understand they're trying to establish that by means like this.)

hamguy4456 September 26th, 2010 6:42 PM

Forgive me if I'm the only one who felt like this, but does this game seem more difficult than previous games? I'm on the fifth gym and I've noticed that it's more challenging than before. I find this to be a good thing - the Pokemon games needed a bit of challenge. The only problem I have with the game is the insane base stats of Isshu Pokemon. Most previous generation Pokemon are obsolete.

インフェルノの津波 September 26th, 2010 6:48 PM

In response to Hiro, the Nat'l Dex is back because some people will miss their Charizard and stuff, plus remember, GOTTA CATCH'EM ALL.

On a separate note, the only con I find is Meraruba is a ***** to train.

JP September 26th, 2010 8:15 PM

At this point, the only con that bother me are, as many have said, no way to rematch trainers and gym leaders. Also the lack of animated trainer sprites is a bit bothersome. The Touch screen being downgraded a bit as well, which is disappointing.

Those things are really the only major things that bother me. The rest of the games are fantastic, and I can't wait to get my hands on the English versions so I can further understand the story.

Livewire September 26th, 2010 9:22 PM

The only legitimate con I have is that I have to wait until March to play B&W. /sadface

Urugamosu September 27th, 2010 2:20 AM

1 pro is that pokemon don't get poisoned outside of battle anymore! :D

Editman September 27th, 2010 2:39 AM

I don't like 90% of the pokemon (Munna WTF>:)). Something about the game just really seems off (I haven't got my fourth badge yet though)

I hate team Plasma, they are an epic fail to me.


I do like the whole big city thing,
I like how they're are black trainers now, and even a black gym leader. (Atleast they look black)
I like the livecaster
I hate how no old region pokemon make an appearance in the game. (Like the ones that just natrually should be there...Zubat Magikarp ETC.)
I like how you get two actual Trainer Rivals.

Surmonter September 27th, 2010 2:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Editman (Post 6185163)
I don't like 90% of the pokemon (Munna WTF>:)). Something about the game just really seems off (I haven't got my fourth badge yet though)

I hate team Plasma, they are an epic fail to me.


I do like the whole big city thing,
I like how they're are black trainers now, and even a black gym leader. (Atleast they look black)
I like the livecaster
I hate how no old region pokemon make an appearance in the game. (Like the ones that just natrually should be there...Zubat Magikarp ETC.)
I like how you get two actual Trainer Rivals.

You do encounter old Pokemon in the game. Just not until you beat the E4.

Editman September 27th, 2010 2:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Surmonter (Post 6185165)
You do encounter old Pokemon in the game. Just not until you beat the E4.


good now i have something to look forward to.

BigMac September 28th, 2010 4:20 PM

i dislike the new graphics and team knights of pokemon

razzbat September 29th, 2010 2:58 AM

not liking the new box system. why is there only 8 boxes?
i hate the red health music. rather than make it more intense, it makes it loose the whole tension by stopping the actual bgm.

but other than those things, im really liking the game. XD

JP September 29th, 2010 6:40 AM

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Originally Posted by razzbat (Post 6190123)
not liking the new box system. why is there only 8 boxes?
i hate the red health music. rather than make it more intense, it makes it loose the whole tension by stopping the actual bgm.

but other than those things, im really liking the game. XD

The 8 boxes is only for the beginning of the game. After the E4, or maybe the National Dex, you get more boxes. =D

Livewire September 29th, 2010 7:21 AM

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Originally Posted by razzbat (Post 6190123)
not liking the new box system. why is there only 8 boxes?
i hate the red health music. rather than make it more intense, it makes it loose the whole tension by stopping the actual bgm.

but other than those things, im really liking the game. XD

After you beat the Elite Four, you can store 720 Pokemon in your boxes. Which is 24 boxes. A definite pro. You'll have plenty of room to spare. ;)

rocky505 September 29th, 2010 10:38 AM

I swear I hate the major level gap after the E4. The trainers pokemon jump from like 53 all the way to 63-65 and the only way to train is to battle the overpowered trainers.

Ricochet Orange September 29th, 2010 10:54 AM

I don't like how the first gym has three leaders yet you only fight one. I wanted to battle the water guy so I would have a challenge. Because to enter the gym you have to talk to a gu that gives you a free Pokemon (one of the three monkeys) and that one is super effective against the gym leader you face. In my case, I picked Mijumaru, so I had to battle the grass guy, but I was given the fire monkey so I pretty much breezed through the first gym. It should have been a triple battle, or at least the option of who you fight.

Iqid Loopz September 29th, 2010 1:01 PM

I know it's kind of early to be setting pros and cons of the game. Because well I personnaly havent played it, or cant read Japanese (I wish). But just by news from the game itself that other people told me, is pretty good. Like new pokemon, abilitys and attacks. But something that was a major kill-joy for me was... well no preevolution and evouliion stages for older pokemon. Like my hopes were high when the Buffalo pokemon was realesed. Thought it was a evolution of Tauros...But no. Kill-joy.

But overrall, I think it can be a good game, but you give its pros and con if you havent played it yourself. I still wish I could read and speak Japanese.

The Red Chain September 29th, 2010 3:14 PM

I found another con on the 3 days I've been soft resetting for a shiny Tsutaaja.

Why, on earth, does it not show shininess in the pictures before you choose them like it did in HGSS? That was so unbelievably convenient if you were shiny hunting one of the starters. They traded the shiny starter picture on the choosing screen for animated sprites once more. I appreciate their efforts in the animation, but.. just.. making shiny hunting for a starter that much harder is so unnecessary. I know they probably didn't think of that by much, but they did in HGSS. So.. why not now? That's prolly my only main irritation right now since I have to click Tsutaaja and wait to go into battle before I can see if it's shiny or not. That consumes a lot more unnecessary time. D;


インフェルノの津波 September 29th, 2010 10:15 PM

PROS: Shiny Pokemon really look awesome.

CONS: WHY CAN'T I GET MONOZU EARLIER? AND WHY MUST MERARUBA BE SO DAMN HARD TO TRAIN?!?!

fenyx4 September 29th, 2010 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Iqid Loopz (Post 6191036)
I know it's kind of early to be setting pros and cons of the game. Because well I personnaly havent played it, or cant read Japanese (I wish). But just by news from the game itself that other people told me, is pretty good. Like new pokemon, abilitys and attacks. But something that was a major kill-joy for me was... well no preevolution and evouliion stages for older pokemon. Like my hopes were high when the Buffalo pokemon was realesed. Thought it was a evolution of Tauros...But no. Kill-joy.

But overrall, I think it can be a good game, but you give its pros and con if you havent played it yourself. I still wish I could read and speak Japanese.

I would've preferred that electric flying squirrel that I heard about to actually be an evo of Pachirisu, gained the Flying-type or the Levitate ability upon evolution. Luvdisc and Mamenbou, along with Buffalon and Tauros to an extent, not being related to each other is just annoying. Luvdisc is one of the most obvious Pokemon needing an evolution, and it gets shafted.
I had wanted Tauros and Buffalon to be standalones, but Buffalon looks a bit too similar to Tauros to avoid speculation on their connections.

I wouldn't have minded if the 1-3 cross-generation Pokemon lines actually existed in BW, similar to how Hoenn's regional dex only introduced 2 new Pokemon (Wynaut and Azurill) related to Pokemon of another Generation... With the flying squirrel and Mamenbou's case, it doesn't detract much from the overall experience if they're related to past Pokemon...they could have been available in the wild, and Incenses would allow you to breed to get Luvdisc and Pachirisu...

In my own Pokemon interpretation, I'm just going to consider Mamenbou and the electric flying squirrels evos of Luvdisc and Pachirisu, even if Game Freak says otherwise! :D

King Gumball September 30th, 2010 3:45 PM

PRO: NO FREAKING ELITE FOUR!!! Why? The game will be so boring after you beat it.

The Train battle's dont count as a Frontier in my opinion. Just two brain? And the most simple battles with no twists?

PlatinumDude September 30th, 2010 7:54 PM

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Originally Posted by King Gumball (Post 6193845)
PRO: NO FREAKING ELITE FOUR!!! Why? The game will be so boring after you beat it.

The Train battle's dont count as a Frontier in my opinion. Just two brain? And the most simple battles with no twists?

There basicially is an Elite 4 in B/W. During the first round you battle them, you get to do the Elite Four, but you don't get to battle the champion because you have to do the final showdown with N in place of the champion battle. But you get to battle the Elite 4 again (with them having stronger and different Pokemon with them) after the National Dex. At this time, you get to battle the champion (who also has strong Pokemon).

This is a con (bad thing) for me because I may barely have the time to train my Pokemon so that they'd be as strong as the revamped E4/champion.

o0PinkSquid0o September 30th, 2010 10:12 PM

Hmm I've decided to give my Pros and cons, I've played up to the 8th Gym Leader:

Pros:
- Hihidaruma!! I love this guy, he's so epic and amazing!
- Two Rivals
- Music (besides panic music)
- Graphics, the way the pokemon move and the way the towns look

Cons:
- Its too easy!!! I haven't gotten to the elite 4 or whatever they have in place after the 8th badge but ugh I am fairly sure I have had a fainted party once in my entire play through.
- Gym leaders only having 2 or 3 pokemon each, makes the gyms boring and you can beat them fairly fast
- Playing in Japanese :(

can't think of anything else, might post again once I've played through more of the game

CoffeeWolf October 1st, 2010 3:37 AM

I'm not going to play it until it comes out in the US, but so far I actually like a lot of the designs. Some of them are terrible, but I'm getting sick of hearing how people aren't even going to buy the game because of the designs! xD I feel like those people aren't true Pokemaniacs

Things that seems iffy to me so far:
-The elemental monkey thing. I'm definitely not going to use my monkey even though they're cute...
-The fact that there aren't enough fire type choices
-There are too any mixed types and I agree about the fire/fighting type getting old
-Too many event based legendaries
-Too many bug Pokemon
-The electric flying squirrel doesn't evolve :/
-No new eeveelutions!! :(

Pros I've noticed so far:
-NYC based, my hometown ;)
-The starters. No as good as gen 1 and gen 2 but much better than certain ones from 3 and 4
-TMs not going away. Honestly it made me shy away from competitive battling because it's so annoying trying to get over 9000 Earthquake TMs
-SEASONS!
-Once again, the new Pokemon. I have my party planned out and it's sexy c:
-I agree with whoever said it's awesome that there are more 3 stage evolutions
-High level evolving. Yay!
-No baby Pokemon?!! GOOD they're just Pokedex fodder to me (No offense, they're adorable)

fenyx4 October 1st, 2010 8:12 AM

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Originally Posted by CoffeeWolf (Post 6194642)
I'm not going to play it until it comes out in the US, but so far I actually like a lot of the designs. Some of them are terrible, but I'm getting sick of hearing how people aren't even going to buy the game because of the designs! xD I feel like those people aren't true Pokemaniacs

Things that seems iffy to me so far:
-The elemental monkey thing. I'm definitely not going to use my monkey even though they're cute...
-The fact that there aren't enough fire type choices
-There are too any mixed types and I agree about the fire/fighting type getting old
-Too many event based legendaries
-Too many bug Pokemon
-The electric flying squirrel doesn't evolve :/
-No new eeveelutions!! :(

Pros I've noticed so far:
-NYC based, my hometown ;)
-The starters. No as good as gen 1 and gen 2 but much better than certain ones from 3 and 4
-TMs not going away. Honestly it made me shy away from competitive battling because it's so annoying trying to get over 9000 Earthquake TMs
-SEASONS!
-Once again, the new Pokemon. I have my party planned out and it's sexy c:
-I agree with whoever said it's awesome that there are more 3 stage evolutions
-High level evolving. Yay!
-No baby Pokemon?!! GOOD they're just Pokedex fodder to me (No offense, they're adorable)

The surfacing of "event-based Legendaries" worries me again, and I don't even know how many there are... :cer_pissed: With the Pokemon rebirth, I thought events/event-only Pokemon would be scrapped, but nooooo... :(

And the electric flying squirrel should've had Pachirisu as a pre-evo! In addition, adequate stats as well, so it can be decent in battles... :\

Livewire October 1st, 2010 8:29 AM

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Originally Posted by fenyx4 (Post 6194990)
The surfacing of "event-based Legendaries" worries me again, and I don't even know how many there are... :cer_pissed: With the Pokemon rebirth, I thought events/event-only Pokemon would be scrapped, but nooooo... :(

And the electric flying squirrel should've had Pachirisu as a pre-evo! In addition, adequate stats as well, so it can be decent in battles... :\

Ehhh I figured Events would still be around, as Nintendo has to find a way to make people go to the actual event. So they bribe you with a sweet legendary Pokemon. Although I wouldn't call any of the gen V. legends sweet, except for Genosect.

CoffeeWolf October 1st, 2010 9:00 AM

I'm still going to use the flying squirrel. :3 The rest of my party will be Pokemon with great base stats (except my starter)
I love Kerudio who I think is event based...

Kamigoroshi October 2nd, 2010 6:12 PM

A drawback which Black/White definitely has in my eyes is the absent of crepuscular, diurnal, and nocturnal pokemon encounters. True... 5th generation has seasonal encounters, but this is no reason to not include the older feature as well.

fenyx4 October 4th, 2010 2:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Kamigoroshi (Post 6198670)
A drawback which Black/White definitely has in my eyes is the absent of crepuscular, diurnal, and nocturnal pokemon encounters. True... 5th generation has seasonal encounters, but this is no reason to not include the older feature as well.

I know...that's one of the features that had me intrigued about GSC/HGSS... No reason why it couldn't be included to complement seasonal encounters... :\

And, from what I've gleaned from the Rangerboard forums, a pro is trading up to 3 Pokemon at a time, as well as gaining the ability to trade straight from the PC... Saves a lot of time. :D

Con is that BW can't utilize the PokeWalker...items found can't be migrated to BW, and some of the special Pokemon (i.e., Surfing/Flying Pikachu) lose their purpose upon being migrated to BW... :( I assume the PokeWalker only has Gen IV Pokemon programmed, but it would have still been great if its use could have been preserved for 5th Gen...

Dialga812 October 4th, 2010 3:00 AM

i hate that you have to clean your badge again x(..but other than that..i really love the game x]

o0PinkSquid0o October 4th, 2010 7:35 PM

Hrm another con... I just beat the elite 4 etc and OMG the level jump is huge!!! from lv 50 straight up to 64 and above! Ok now the game is actually hard! I'm struggling to train my new team because I didn't realise how huge the level gap would be!

Volroc October 4th, 2010 9:11 PM

Pros:
Great scenery, nicely leveled wild pokemon, free monkey, tons of rival battles, unique storyline & Isshu is GORGEOUS! (yes i said that twice :P)

Cons: Grass Starters horrible moveset& horrible TM selection, the lack of Dragon Pulse & Dark Pulse as TMs, the HORRIBLE TMs, the Terrible Accuracy of alot of the new moves (Grass Mixer misses more than it hits at 90accuracy seriously???), lack of new attack moves for certain types, terrible Egg movesets, the Fire beginner enough said, lack of the lil realistic noises in HG/SS when near water, exc. , the lack of storyline for the dark trio or whatever their called, the extremely high levels for evolution, the Fire/Bug egg isnt received til AFTER the E4 (WTF!? that only gives me 1good fire type,the ghost/fire type),
& lastly they still havent learned to give pokemon a simultaneous release across the world, why not just give a language option?
like this:
Continue
New Game
WI-FI
Battle Now
Mystery Gift
Options
[Insert things i forgot]
Language (select this& choose your language, then everyones happy)

Boarbeque October 5th, 2010 3:10 AM

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Originally Posted by o0PinkSquid0o (Post 6194440)
Hmm I've decided to give my Pros and cons, I've played up to the 8th Gym Leader:

Pros:
- Hihidaruma!! I love this guy, he's so epic and amazing!
- Two Rivals
- Music (besides panic music)
- Graphics, the way the pokemon move and the way the towns look

Cons:
- Its too easy!!! I haven't gotten to the elite 4 or whatever they have in place after the 8th badge but ugh I am fairly sure I have had a fainted party once in my entire play through.
- Gym leaders only having 2 or 3 pokemon each, makes the gyms boring and you can beat them fairly fast
- Playing in Japanese :(

can't think of anything else, might post again once I've played through more of the game

Unless you want the gym leaders to have duplicate pokemon, they are kinda limited to about 4 pokemon each. They fairly distrubuted the types this time around.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire October 5th, 2010 6:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Live_Wire466 (Post 6195011)


Ehhh I figured Events would still be around, as Nintendo has to find a way to make people go to the actual event. So they bribe you with a sweet legendary Pokemon. Although I wouldn't call any of the gen V. legends sweet, except for Genosect.

Of course they aren't Sweet, they are Awesome and threatening looking :P


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