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o0PinkSquid0o October 5th, 2010 2:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Boarbeque (Post 6203511)
Unless you want the gym leaders to have duplicate pokemon, they are kinda limited to about 4 pokemon each. They fairly distrubuted the types this time around.

In some of the older games elite 4 they had duplicate pokemon and I am sure in some of the older games the gym leaders also had duplicates so I don't see why they can't in this one too

King Gumball October 5th, 2010 3:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Boarbeque (Post 6203511)
Unless you want the gym leaders to have duplicate pokemon, they are kinda limited to about 4 pokemon each. They fairly distrubuted the types this time around.

That electric gym leader has too Emonga's, so your statement is false :x and there are more than ebough new pokemon for the gym leaders to have pokemon 5 each! The electric lady could have an Emonga, the Zebra, Denchura, Maggyo and the electric laprey (first evo). 5.

So yeah I was really disappointed that the gym have so little pokemon.

Gulpin October 5th, 2010 3:25 PM

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Originally Posted by King Gumball (Post 6204194)
That electric gym leader has too Emonga's, so your statement is false :x and there are more than ebough new pokemon for the gym leaders to have pokemon 5 each! The electric lady could have an Emonga, the Zebra, Denchura, Maggyo and the electric laprey (first evo). 5.

So yeah I was really disappointed that the gym have so little pokemon.

One reason she doesnt have all of those Pokemon is because they havn't been or wont be seen until much later in the game.

King Gumball October 5th, 2010 3:28 PM

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Originally Posted by deku (Post 6204227)
One reason she doesnt have all of those Pokemon is because they havn't been or wont be seen until much later in the game.

I haven't played the game, but it is only the lamprey that is encountered later in the game by my understanding.

インフェルノの津波 October 5th, 2010 3:46 PM

Another Pro I discovered:

Tabunne training is surprisingly easy. Just buy a few repels, and you're set.

A Con I hate:

You can't get Monozu until you beat all the Gym Leaders. WTH? Meraruba can be captured after the 6th, but I have to beat all the Gym Leaders just to get Monozu? Seriously, Nintendo/Gamefreak?

Gulpin October 5th, 2010 5:37 PM

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Originally Posted by King Gumball (Post 6204231)
I haven't played the game, but it is only the lamprey that is encountered later in the game by my understanding.

That may be true, but the electric leader is the fourth and up to that point the only electric types found are Shimama and Emonga (and Emonga is even a route later but can be accesed before battling her).

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Originally Posted by インフェルノの津波 (Post 6204270)
Another Pro I discovered:

Tabunne training is surprisingly easy. Just buy a few repels, and you're set.

I'm adding to this: You don't even have to buy repels; running near but outside the grass will make it shake too.

fenyx4 October 5th, 2010 7:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Volroc (Post 6203257)
Pros:
Great scenery, nicely leveled wild pokemon, free monkey, tons of rival battles, unique storyline & Isshu is GORGEOUS! (yes i said that twice :P)

Cons: Grass Starters horrible moveset& horrible TM selection, the lack of Dragon Pulse & Dark Pulse as TMs, the HORRIBLE TMs, the Terrible Accuracy of alot of the new moves (Grass Mixer misses more than it hits at 90accuracy seriously???), lack of new attack moves for certain types, terrible Egg movesets, the Fire beginner enough said, lack of the lil realistic noises in HG/SS when near water, exc. , the lack of storyline for the dark trio or whatever their called, the extremely high levels for evolution, the Fire/Bug egg isnt received til AFTER the E4 (WTF!? that only gives me 1good fire type,the ghost/fire type),
& lastly they still havent learned to give pokemon a simultaneous release across the world, why not just give a language option?
like this:
Continue
New Game
WI-FI
Battle Now
Mystery Gift
Options
[Insert things i forgot]
Language (select this& choose your language, then everyones happy)

If the new Fire/Bug Pokemon isn't received until after the Elite 4, couldn't Mamenbou have been available afterwards as well to make it a Luvdisc evo or something? :\ The apparent disconnect between Luvdisc and Mamenbou was a major con for me... (and I recently browsed a Pokemon article on the Ugo (?) website that even said Mamenbou was Luvdisc's evo, but I believe that was based on very preliminary BW pre-release information...)

インフェルノの津波 October 5th, 2010 7:41 PM

What the- that's not true!

Go to Marriland to find out how to get Meraruba, cause that's bullcrap.

o0PinkSquid0o October 5th, 2010 9:00 PM

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Originally Posted by deku (Post 6204533)
That may be true, but the electric leader is the fourth and up to that point the only electric types found are Shimama and Emonga (and Emonga is even a route later but can be accesed before battling her).

The point is, she still had a double up of the same pokemon so your first point is invalid!

razzbat October 6th, 2010 3:14 AM

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Originally Posted by o0PinkSquid0o (Post 6204970)


The point is, she still had a double up of the same pokemon so your first point is invalid!

chillax, he wasnt the one that made the point.

i really hate the high level evolutions. i need to get jiheddo to level 64 just to evolve. wtf? even komatana takes ages, which needs level 52.

Boarbeque October 6th, 2010 3:34 AM

I really like how the badges aren't just circles anymore.

I really wish there were more version differences. I was hoping for Shaga to have a different team than Iris.

fenyx4 October 7th, 2010 7:35 PM

Two nice pros I just discovered...

1. Shoal Salt and Shoal Shells being present in the games (according to TVTropes at least)!!! Originated in Hoenn... Since you can't migrate items from DPPt/HGSS, what would be the point of coding them? (aside from having Shell Bell return to Generation 5). RSE remakes, here we come! (hopefully) :D

2. BW using this particular piece of Fridge Brillance :D:
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Originally Posted by Troper From TVTropes
The creators stated that the three starters each based on a different part of the world: Japan, China, and the West (specifically, France). Now, counting the version mascots (and assuming that Kyurem will be the third version mascot), we also have three legendary trios. What are they each based on? Japanese gods, the Chinese concept of Yin and Yang, and the French novel The Three Musketeers.


MrGriszell October 10th, 2010 3:54 PM

I hate that HG and SS are soooo slow after playing white , lol it ruined it for me

austin00081 October 10th, 2010 4:47 PM

I hated how easy the Elite Four were the first time around.
All of their pokemon were two-typed, so it made sweeping easier. If they only had one type, I would definitely have lost against the psychic, and fighting ones.

fenyx4 October 10th, 2010 11:27 PM

Whoa...I just noticed that sprite/gender differences seem to be absent, from what I've seen. I guess I'm indifferent about its removal; there are several features IMO that take precedence over it and need to return in the third version! (i.e., Follow-Me overworld feature, HGSS-style Pokedex, etc.) Though the sprite difference alterations did make the Pokemon seem slightly more realistic, aside from being differentiated only by a gender icon...

delthero October 11th, 2010 10:56 AM

I actually suprisingly really like most of it. The pokemon arent half bad if you give them a chance and the plot and graphics are amazing.

only thing to change would be pokemon following you :( although they might in pokemon grey :)

Tropical Sunlight October 12th, 2010 5:29 AM

I finished the game and there is nothing I dislike.
Except that when you catch Reshiram/Zekrom and if you lose to N or Geechisu, you have to catch it again.

thetifftiff October 14th, 2010 6:58 PM

So much negativity for a pro/con thread. Unfasten your nostalgia goggles people, they're on too tight, especially for those of you complaining about pokemon just being bigger versions of their prevos. Do y'all hate electrode too?

I can only go on what I've seen on various so far but there's actually a lot I like from what I've seen.


1 An abundance of ghost types. There are still less ghosts than anything but they're making progress.

2 Some new type combinations. Some really awesome ones actually, especially some nice ones combined with ghost.

3 A pure flying type. Only took five generations for something so simple.

4 A female electric specialist. :3 She's cute too.

5 Contests are gooooone.

6 A regional dex without pikachu. They told me not to hold my breath, said it would never happen. *happy tears*

7 The dream world. It looks like an awesome concept, it can give pokemon abilities they couldn't otherwise have, and helps you find pokemon not in the game.

8 Branching off of that, starters being able to have something besides the default abilities that they always have.

9 The monkeys. I'm not usually a big fan of monkeys but these guys are adorable, as are their evolutions.

10 Creative new gym ideas. Different gym leaders depending on type in the first gym and different leaders depending on the game in question in the last gym. Also the fire type guy in the first gym is kind of cute. ;)

11 Fighting type legendaries. I was starting to think it was never going to happen.




Things I don't like


1 Not being able to transfer items. It's going to be harder to earn back the things I earned in the battle frontier seeing as the subway looks a lot like the tower which is the most boring facility.

2 The trio that all look a like. I'll admit, that bothers me.

3 The fact that the ability that boosts attack when hit by a dark type attack is had mostly by things that resist dark type moves. You know, things that no one will use dark type attacks on to begin with.

4 The fact that they made a non-legendary event only. I mean, it's better in a way because people can breed them and trade them to others who don't have them but I really find events irritating in general so...

5 The continuation of version exclusive legendaries. No it's not new but it's irriated me since they started doing it.

6 The bug type specialist is male again. Girls can like bugs too. *hugs caterpie*

7 Bacon. I'm still mad that pig is not a bunny like I thought it was in the silloute but fire/fighting for a third generation... well I did not like it happening a second time in a row really.

8 Tripple battles. I don't even like double battles.

Livewire October 14th, 2010 7:30 PM

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Originally Posted by thetifftiff (Post 6223540)
So much negativity for a pro/con thread. Unfasten your nostalgia goggles people, they're on too tight, especially for those of you complaining about pokemon just being bigger versions of their prevos. Do y'all hate electrode too?

I can only go on what I've seen on various so far but there's actually a lot I like from what I've seen.


1 An abundance of ghost types. There are still less ghosts than anything but they're making progress.

2 Some new type combinations. Some really awesome ones actually, especially some nice ones combined with ghost.

3 A pure flying type. Only took five generations for something so simple.

4 A female electric specialist. :3 She's cute too.

5 Contests are gooooone.

6 A regional dex without pikachu. They told me not to hold my breath, said it would never happen. *happy tears*

7 The dream world. It looks like an awesome concept, it can give pokemon abilities they couldn't otherwise have, and helps you find pokemon not in the game.

8 Branching off of that, starters being able to have something besides the default abilities that they always have.

9 The monkeys. I'm not usually a big fan of monkeys but these guys are adorable, as are their evolutions.

10 Creative new gym ideas. Different gym leaders depending on type in the first gym and different leaders depending on the game in question in the last gym. Also the fire type guy in the first gym is kind of cute. ;)

11 Fighting type legendaries. I was starting to think it was never going to happen.




Things I don't like


1 Not being able to transfer items. It's going to be harder to earn back the things I earned in the battle frontier seeing as the subway looks a lot like the tower which is the most boring facility.

2 The trio that all look a like. I'll admit, that bothers me.

3 The fact that the ability that boosts attack when hit by a dark type attack is had mostly by things that resist dark type moves. You know, things that no one will use dark type attacks on to begin with.

4 The fact that they made a non-legendary event only. I mean, it's better in a way because people can breed them and trade them to others who don't have them but I really find events irritating in general so...

5 The continuation of version exclusive legendaries. No it's not new but it's irriated me since they started doing it.

6 The bug type specialist is male again. Girls can like bugs too. *hugs caterpie*

7 Bacon. I'm still mad that pig is not a bunny like I thought it was in the silloute but fire/fighting for a third generation... well I did not like it happening a second time in a row really.

8 Tripple battles. I don't even like double battles.

YES YES YES YES YES. Our lists are identical. You gets a cookie.

The only thing I legitimately don't like, is that I have to wait another 6 months to play them. Ok that and the fighting trio is ugly, but hey. That's it. Yes, these games are that amazing.

King Gumball October 14th, 2010 9:28 PM

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Originally Posted by o0PinkSquid0o (Post 6203168)
Hrm another con... I just beat the elite 4 etc and OMG the level jump is huge!!! from lv 50 straight up to 64 and above! Ok now the game is actually hard! I'm struggling to train my new team because I didn't realise how huge the level gap would be!


Really, normally they start levelling up after you beat the E4 a certain number of times. Although It is still excellent training because your lower level pokemon would get a heap of EXP beating the higher level pokemon.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire October 14th, 2010 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Live_Wire466 (Post 6223616)


YES YES YES YES YES. Our lists are identical. You gets a cookie.

The only thing I legitimately don't like, is that I have to wait another 6 months to play them. Ok that and the fighting trio is ugly, but hey. That's it. Yes, these games are that amazing.

I also agree only I think the fighting trio isn't ugly, I love those three :)

El Diabeetus October 15th, 2010 6:02 PM

This maybe random, but I really like the little tidbits about Pokémon names on the TV. Like for example, there was one about Squirtle.

It would say something like:

ZENIGAME

GAMEZENI (playing with the romanized name)

then say the name SQUIRTLE, then write out Squirtle in Katakana, then explain the origin of the name. I find it kinda cool that the Japanese games are now referencing the English names too.

I've also seen one for Machop and Turtwig too.

Zennerick October 15th, 2010 8:20 PM

The Opening
 
The opening to the game is by far the best I've seen; hands down. (I'm playing"Black" right now)

Lumière October 16th, 2010 1:39 PM

Overall I'm loving the game so far. The 3-D like aspects are amazing which makes me curious of how it would look on the 3DS. The music is awesome (I so wanna buy the soundtrack)! And it took me awhile but now I'm warming up to the looks of the 5th gen pokemon.

Some of the things I don't like include the touch screen thing like some have mentioned before. I wish it could switch between the C-Gear and the other menu on the touch screen so you can choose which one you want to stay visible. Another thing I've noticed is that on the Pokedex there isn't a height comparison between the trainer and the pokemon (which helps me visualize how big the pokemon is). Or maybe I haven't figured out how to get it?
I also don't like the time limit on the Dream World and wish you can access it whenever you want without waiting a whole day. And how you have to wait until it's less crowded to access it on the site. I also wish you can customize the C-Gear in-game instead of through the website.

EmeraldSerenade October 17th, 2010 7:37 PM

I dislike some of the new moves created. And some of the Pokemon look a bit... strange -___-

Let's take the move "Butterfly Dance" for example: +1 in 3 stats?!? It's gonna be so broken in the future.. lol.

..or maybe I'm just complaining because i suck at pogemonz.

Pearls_Barf October 20th, 2010 9:03 PM

Pro: Graphics!
Con: I wish the Pokemon follow you like in HG/SS

Blue Nocturne October 24th, 2010 1:14 AM

Pros:
- A beautiful new region
- Plenty of new ghost types
- Shadera!!!!
- No More Contests
- I quite like a lot of the new pokemon
- NO MORE PIKACHU!

Cons:
- The replacement for contests
- The gym puzzles. For something with stunning 3D-ness, I was expecting a bit more creativity with the gyms.
- They got rid of Dark Pulse, Iron Tail and Dragon Pulse as TM's, but they kept rubbish like Thunder Wave and Swagger.
- The starter. They were a huge disappointment IMO. The Water... something, is OK. It has a bit of flexibility in what it can do, not much, but its still there. The Grass Snake is just a grass type, capable of little else, and we have yet another Fire/Fighting starter. Oh Joy.

kohei October 24th, 2010 6:56 AM

Some recent cons that surfaced for me:
- Less bag pockets compared to DPt
- PC box still not as easy to manipulate than RSE
- Bicycle is faster, but not necessarily easy to handle
- Encount rates seems to be higher than HGSS
- Passerby survey has little returns compared with the time you spend with your DS switched on
- Some menu functions (well, C-Gear) is only responsive to touch, and not the DS buttons
- The bottom screen of your DS is pretty much dead when you have the C-Gear turned off
- Some Gym leaders don't really do anything in the storyline. It's mostly Yaakon and Aloe who are really involved
- Dark Trinity seems forced. You don't get to battle them, and the only purpose they serve in the plot is to push you ahead

johnny18 October 24th, 2010 7:39 AM

Cons:
-The touch screen is for poke gear which is useless and I have to used the the A button for most of the time except when I'm battling.
-the box system looks so complicated. I find that I love the way how the boxes work in HG/SS
- the designs are like just for having a pokemon but not all of them look really bad

Jerme October 24th, 2010 8:59 AM

con: poison doesnt get you when you walk around.. thats what made the type so deadly (for the player atleast) but now its no different from burn..

fenyx4 October 24th, 2010 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Jerme (Post 6243915)
con: poison doesnt get you when you walk around.. thats what made the type so deadly (for the player atleast) but now its no different from burn..

Seriously? :cer_no: I dislike getting poisoned at all really, but having poison afflict you during battle and in the overworld made it unique, since it doesn't have a secondary effect in battle like Burn's Attack reduction or Paralysis's Speed reduction. That overworld effect made it so Trainers would be sure to bring an Antidote or Pecha Berry just in case. IMO, it also added a bit of tension in the overworld if you were journeying and got lost in a cave or forest. You'd plan out your steps carefully to conserve the Pokemon's health until you managed to reach a Pokemon Center or similar area. :cer_nod:

Jerme October 24th, 2010 2:42 PM

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Originally Posted by fenyx4 (Post 6244114)
Seriously? :cer_no: I dislike getting poisoned at all really, but having poison afflict you during battle and in the overworld made it unique, since it doesn't have a secondary effect in battle like Burn's Attack reduction or Paralysis's Speed reduction. That overworld effect made it so Trainers would be sure to bring an Antidote or Pecha Berry just in case. IMO, it also added a bit of tension in the overworld if you were journeying and got lost in a cave or forest. You'd plan out your steps carefully to conserve the Pokemon's health until you managed to reach a Pokemon Center or similar area. :cer_nod:

oh i never knew about burns attack reduction..

MrGriszell October 24th, 2010 8:03 PM

Black and white runied it for me
 
So i wanted to take a brake from my pokemon white to play my HG that i put over 200 hours on, but i couldnt play it more than a moment. the main reasons is

1. ITS TOOOO SLOW!!!!!!

The battles take way too long(the text and the HP bsr goes by slowly), the bike is not as fast.

2. the pokemon stand still during battle

3. The soundtrack is not as good.

Has anybody else gone thru this?

Ho-Oh October 24th, 2010 8:06 PM

Merged with pros and cons because people will end up discussing the pros of B/W, when stating why B/W has ruined the previous games for them~

Plus your issues with HGSS should probably go somewhere in the HGSS forum, rather than here.

SandslashFTW October 24th, 2010 8:35 PM

All of the Pokemon need to be violently assaulted and killed with chainsaws.

Gary Oak FTW October 24th, 2010 8:46 PM

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Originally Posted by SandslashFTW (Post 6245350)
All of the Pokemon need to be violently assaulted and killed with chainsaws.

I actually like a fair amount of them. Some of them look like they could be shinnoh pokemon.

fenyx4 October 24th, 2010 9:30 PM

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Originally Posted by SandslashFTW (Post 6245350)
All of the Pokemon need to be violently assaulted and killed with chainsaws.

Yeah, you go ahead and just try chainsawing Reshiram, Zekrom, Zoroark, or Enbuoo, what with their menacing designs and innovative origins. I'll be waiting over here in Hoenn, thank you very much. :rambo:




...another con I noticed in BW are the shoddy move tutors. If you're not in a double or triple battle, there doesn't really seem to be a point to the Oath moves. The elemental Hyper Beams and Draco Meteor Meteoric Swarm are welcome standard additions, of course, but the only other tutored move seems to be Ancient Song, which is sort of unnecessary to be tutored as only one Pokemon can learn it (and it could have easily been a Level-100 learned move or something.)

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire October 25th, 2010 6:42 AM

Wow some violent posts I just read...
Pros
Animated sprites
cool new legendary pokemon
Awesome starters
Looks like a great region to explore
Con:
No more pokemon following you around
Some pokemon looks weird but each gen has it's weird pokemon.

Greenbeans October 25th, 2010 6:57 AM

i would probably give it a 6 as well i mean like i would have waited another few months for the pokemon to just look cute u know i mean lke there is a point where they have to think it over a bit more

Zeph. October 25th, 2010 7:12 AM

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Originally Posted by jerichob10 (Post 6246086)
i would probably give it a 6 as well i mean like i would have waited another few months for the pokemon to just look cute u know i mean lke there is a point where they have to think it over a bit more

I'm sorry, just... what?

Anyway, I digress. A pro for me is the new step they've taken with the franchise. Deciding to start afresh with an entirely new pokedex was a bold move, and I can't wait to check out what GF has offered us.

And Baffuron. Pro. That is all.

pieguy259 October 25th, 2010 9:02 AM

Pros:
Hiun City.
Reusable TMs, can I get a FINALLY.
Gyms, especially Raimon, Hodomoe and Fukiyose.
Hiun City.
Emonga. Sweet Arceus in Origin, Emonga.
Epic graphics.
Protagonists, especially the girl. Epic hotness.
Hiun City.
Hiun City.
An awesome plot.
Team Plasma in all its winitude.
Mijumaru.
Hiun City.

Cons:
Some of the designs wouldn't look out of place in Quartz.
No Dark-type Gym? Dang, yo.

Itstoppedatumbreon October 25th, 2010 2:05 PM

love the pokemon, just disapointed with balck city tbh. i thought it was cool but it not from what ive heard.
i might get white cosd it seems better than black

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire October 25th, 2010 2:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Zeph. (Post 6246102)
I'm sorry, just... what?

Anyway, I digress. A pro for me is the new step they've taken with the franchise. Deciding to start afresh with an entirely new pokedex was a bold move, and I can't wait to check out what GF has offered us.

And Baffuron. Pro. That is all.

This is a pro for me too but kind of a con at the same time as we didn't get a Luvdisc evolution :(

iForever October 25th, 2010 2:55 PM

I haven't played the game, but the thing that disappoints me is the Pokemons. For example the Fire Starter, it doesn't look that good.

XxDeadShadowsxX October 26th, 2010 5:11 PM

Am i the only one that thinks...
 
Am i the only one that thinks that they are kinda bringing pokemon down the drain..? x.x
Im a huuuuuge pokemon fan its just i think they should of ended it after diamond and pearl. Idk.. It might just be me. ( Pokemon dont even look cool or cute any more they look like digimon in black and white...)

Amai October 26th, 2010 5:17 PM

Yes you are. [/sarcasm]

But they will never end Pokemon until people stop buying them. They don't make them for your enjoyment. They make them for money. If people will buy them, and Pokemon is more popular now than ever, then they will make them. They're a company, and that's what they do. They only care about money.

They still care if you like the game though, if you don't like it you won't continue buying. So they kind of need to care about you. Regardless, they want money. Not people's approval. So Pokemon will continue forever until the profits stop.

Zelda October 26th, 2010 5:22 PM

Please discuss the pros and cons of the two games here rather than creating a thread of a complaint. So, list and discuss your further opinions about B/W here. :)

XxDeadShadowsxX October 26th, 2010 5:41 PM

I say we all just you know don't buy this game! 8D Lol
But just wish they would end it.
They would most likely get more money if they just made remakes for all the older pokemon games.
Yellow,Red,Green,Rub,,Sapphire,Emblem..Etc
But ya..

Ho-Oh October 26th, 2010 6:22 PM

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Originally Posted by XxDeadShadowsxX (Post 6249576)
I say we all just you know don't buy this game! 8D Lol
But just wish they would end it.
They would most likely get more money if they just made remakes for all the older pokemon games.
Yellow,Red,Green,Rub,,Sapphire,Emblem..Etc
But ya..

Actually, you mean Ruby and Emerald :x
...anyway, have you actually tried playing the games? Maybe if you played them and not concentrated on the Pokemon, you might enjoy them more! Apparently there are a lot of good things about the region itself.

Aro-kun October 26th, 2010 6:42 PM

Pros:
Kamitsure
Main legendary trio looks cool
Kamitsure
New York
Kamitsure
The whole team plasma situation
Kamitsure
Waaaaaay faster battles >:D
Kamitsure
Animated sprites
Kamitsure
RANDOM wifi battles >:D!!!!
Kamitsure
Re-usable TMs yay
Kamitsure
Dream world abilities

Cons:
The pokemon....I only like about 20 of em?
No pokomons following T.T WHHHHHHHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY?!!!!
Pokomons...Most of them dont look good imo but I accept them as pokomons

And I suppose that is all. I like it so far.

chimcharsfireworks October 27th, 2010 3:01 PM

The only thing I hate is the levels. My pokemon are going to all be at about level 54 by the time I get to the E4 with the Lucky Egg item.
I lied. I also hate the zeus roamers. They are copy and paste edits of each other.
And that Tsutaja loses its legs and has a HORRIBLE MOVESET!

I love the storyline, and most of the new pokemon other wise. Sure there would be things I'd change, but it looks pretty damn fun.

Azonic October 28th, 2010 1:29 PM

I hate that the white pokemon is on the black cover. I was so excited for white because all the better alternative pokemon are in there except for the white legendary. ;______; UGH FML.

+ They really should have included SOME old Pokemon. Especially Luvdisc b/c of its look-a-like. Bugs me.

hazelfraz October 28th, 2010 2:34 PM

i hate that fact there is to much pokemon and some are starting to look like old ones

Calamity October 28th, 2010 3:41 PM

The fact there is NO added evo's of previous pokemon really annoyed me, the fact they didnt do that but had the balls to base a pokemon on a bin bag just made it worse.
And the starters are just... ugly, the grass one was looking good until it lost its legs. -_-
But apart from that, the game looks pretty solid and i love the city setting they've done for it, plus fully 3d and more added wi-fi features will give it loads more playback :D

Professor_Ash October 30th, 2010 1:45 AM

I despise the new TM system.

Perriechu October 30th, 2010 1:49 AM

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Originally Posted by ShinySalamence888 (Post 6253550)
The fact there is NO added evo's of previous pokemon really annoyed me, the fact they didnt do that but had the balls to base a pokemon on a bin bag just made it worse.
And the starters are just... ugly, the grass one was looking good until it lost its legs. -_-
But apart from that, the game looks pretty solid and i love the city setting they've done for it, plus fully 3d and more added wi-fi features will give it loads more playback :D

Wow, alot of people are gonna disagree with what you said about Tsutarja and friends. And you need to actually play the game before you can fully enjoy it, I hated nearly every Pokemon on the list serebii announced. Now I love em' all <3. And thats your opinion (:

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Originally Posted by Professor_Ash (Post 6256735)
I despise the new TM system.

Why... it's made things alot easier. Don't say, it's not longer challenging, cause there not giving you Tm's for free.

fenyx4 October 31st, 2010 7:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Professor_Ash (Post 6256735)
I despise the new TM system.

:cer_disbelief: So you actually liked having the suckish Cut HM infinitely at your disposal once you obtained it (which you most likely are never going to use in battle anyway), yet having to painstakingly track down a one-use Earthquake TM each time you want to use it (which you're more likely to use in battle)? The revamped TM system is a major plus for me (though I dislike the removal of certain TMs during the Generation 4-5 transition, I'd rather have infinite TMs than one-use ones);

Member November 3rd, 2010 7:51 AM

Still awaiting the RSE above ground secret bases. When you mixed records, the person you mixed with and a copy of their Base, person, and team in that same location. I was hoping that it would return. Besides that, I love what they did with the game. Brideges a re a little long, but that is to show how cool they are.

fenyx4 November 5th, 2010 6:10 PM

It's awesome how we managed to get a Power Ranger Pokemon and a Megazord/Iron Giant Pokemon in the same Generation. :cer_boogie: Definite pro. :D

A unfortunate con, however, is that the Game Corner and the Slot Machines seem to have been axed completely from BW due to all the stupid controversy during the release of HGSS!! :cer_pissed: That was an entertaining diversion in past games, too... At the very least, couldn't Game Freak have allowed the Voltorb Flip to return as an alternative? :cer_confused:

mervyn797 November 7th, 2010 7:30 AM

I don't like it at all they way they removed the system of your first Pokemon following you. =( It was fun watching a Magikarp walk...

Zelda November 7th, 2010 8:11 AM

It was most likely an exclusive for HGSS only. They probably removed the feature so they could include the new features we have now. I guess I don't mind it much, as I'm sure it will still have us to continue playing HGSS for this feature itself. Besides with the new features we have now, there is still more enjoyment for us to participate in.

Anyway, I think one of the biggest (or main, I should say) pros for this game would be the Triple/Rotational battling feature. I think this gives us a good way to experience competitive battling in a new way as well as non-competitive battling. Sure it may just seem like a regular battle except this time with three, but there's also the fact that there's a specific way to do it all; this is where the rotational battling style comes in.

I think the only main con I have so far until I play the game for myself, would be by not having the following feature. An HGSS exclusive I understand that, but it still would have been fun to have the feature included again. Other than that, it's not that bothersome for me so it's all good. n_n;

From what I can see and hear until I can actually play it for myself, Black and White are quite the games. Still, I'm sure when I do get to experience it for myself I probably won't have that much cons to list at all as I tend to adjust to new or different things quickly. Seeing as it also received a 40 rating and I absolutely loved DPPt, I might not want to even put the games down. u_u

xMiZx November 7th, 2010 8:31 AM

It's going through a lot of changes imo.

There are a lot of pros about Black/White. First, the story seems a bit darker than the originals. I like how they're making the story the same concept of the older games but putting it in a different world and feeling. It makes you feel like you're playing a new game. The soundtrack is amazing. Seemed like they took some risks to make it different, and it works. I agree with Kaori with the 3-on-3 Rotation battles. It's a normal battle, but it's a test of prediction. It's going to change the competitive community very much.

At the moment, the only con is that the gym leaders only has three pkmn to battle with as you're going for your badges. Although I can understand seeing that the other 493 pkmn aren't in the region your first playthrough.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire November 19th, 2010 7:11 PM

I don't like the method of transferring gen 4 pokemon to gen 5 as you need another DS to do so :(

~*!*~Tatsujin Gosuto~*!*~ November 20th, 2010 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 6297462)
I don't like the method of transferring gen 4 pokemon to gen 5 as you need another DS to do so :(

In a way how else would you be able to transfer your 4th generation game Pokemon into the Black and White games? Just go to a friend and borrow their DS so you can trade your Pokemon


:t354:TG

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire November 20th, 2010 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ~*!*~Tatsujin Gosuto~*!*~ (Post 6298598)


In a way how else would you be able to transfer your 4th generation game Pokemon into the Black and White games? Just go to a friend and borrow their DS so you can trade your Pokemon


:t354:TG

Well I wish we could do what they did between gen I and II where you just trade so then you can trade to a friend in Wi-fi and then trade them from ther to your own B or W (I have no friends with a DS)

Annuhh5 November 22nd, 2010 3:33 AM

was anyone else expecting another eevee evolution?
or was it just me?

Ho-Oh November 22nd, 2010 4:15 AM

The favourite Pokemon thread is for the Pokemon that actually do exist, so I moved the post to the pros/cons discussion, so you can discuss here whether you think it's a good or bad thing that there aren't any Eevee evolutions. :x

The Red Chain November 30th, 2010 12:25 AM

B&W is so dead, haha. Allow me to bring some life back momentarily.

For the topic brought up above, I think it's a plus there's no Eevee evolutions.
Despite my desire to see a Ghost and/or Flying one, I wouldn't really like having a mini-Arceus running around with all the type variations.

I did discover another pro though as I've played through : The plentiful vending machines!
Lemonades are amazing to have since they are cheaper than Super Potions, available early, and heal even more than Super Potions do. Sometimes I even prefer them over Hyper Potions.
The fact they are available practically everywhere throughout the game is simply genius. <3

Oh, and yet another pro I just thought of : Tabunne. Practically the same amount of experience Chansey gives, except extremely early game and extremely easy to hunt down.
Not to mention you find it everywhere just like a regional pest. The thing is a blessing when it comes down to pure grinding. I finally don't have to dread training! :D


Pyrax November 30th, 2010 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by fenyx4 (Post 6271403)
It's awesome how we managed to get a Power Ranger Pokemon

Kamen Rider/Super Sentai actually.

It's also based on Black Knights.

King Gumball November 30th, 2010 1:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Annuhh5 (Post 6301590)
was anyone else expecting another eevee evolution?
or was it just me?


I wasn't, but I kind of did in a way, as a lot of people were expecting one and speculating on the next eeveelution typing.

I hope there are future eeveelutions, as there are 7 now (though I doubt anymore will ever be created. 7 is the magic number). I dont mind that there were no eeveelutions in this gen.

DPooch November 30th, 2010 6:37 PM

I think one of the pros are *fixing* location-specific evolving.
In the sense that you couldn't evolve into Leafeon, Probopass, etc in HG/SS.
I absolutely hated that aspect of the game, and at least they have new location to do it in.

I'm in a way relieved that there weren't any past-pokemon evolutions in the game, but it's just me. I don't see the point of building on some evolution lines. Or at least not a ton of them at once, being Magmortar, Electivire, and so on. [On that note, I really don't like baby pokemon and the incense crap that comes with it. Happiness is random, but I can deal with it. Happiness and a stone is just 'waaat', even though it's not a B/W deal. I'm glad there's no pre-evos.] I guess the only pro of that is being able to use the "same", just evolved, pokemon that now has higher stats. Though I am confused about the one that looks like Luvdisc, which is weird that it never even had an evolution in the first place.

I haven't looked at all of the ways of evolving. I'm mostly fine with higher-than-usual levels to evolve, but I hope any stone or trade-related trades are in moderation. I'm not a huge fan of trading pokemon with items that aren't easy to come by. At least, maybe for me, those items being Protector King's Rock, Deepsea items. Electirizer/Magmarizer (sp probably) aren't so bad, but you have to catch the random baby pokemon and hope they have it.

Like other people, I don't love all the new pokemon, but the phase will probably pass, or I hope. Also disappointed at the Fire/Fight starter once again, but I'll live. Event pokemon aren't super exciting for me, mostly because I don't hear about (or really research, so, my fault) the events, so maybe I can actually care and finally go to some.

All in all, I'm looking forward to it. I'm just a fan. The pokemon, the breeding, and the game in general.

Mortalis November 30th, 2010 6:46 PM

I like the games and the region and the new features that it's bringing us, but;

  • No evoloutions from previous gens.
  • No pre-evo's from previous gens.
  • No Eeveeloutions.
  • The 3D get's a little repetitive in some places ... doesn't feel as Pokemon like anymore.
  • Not blaming the creators [because it's hard to make legit Pokemon] but the Pokemon design has gone down, in my opinion.

Captain Riolu December 1st, 2010 10:35 AM

Battles are alot faster, which is great for competitive battling.

I just wish it had more new single battle mechanics.

MrGriszell December 2nd, 2010 11:36 PM

Was it that good for you?
 
I understand why black and white got a perfect score its amazing, its only fault for me was im bored after everythings done( i dont capture or raise other pokemon because im waiting for the english copy to do that) This is my third time playing thru it . So to get back on point.....i was looking for some other good rpgs for the ds , ive played a couple(rune factory 3, Golden sun dark dawn) but none seems to be better then B/W or even comes close. I dont know why but thats how i feel now. Does anyone feel the same?

Ho-Oh December 3rd, 2010 12:00 AM

Well, in the past you've made a similar thread like this, saying how B/W makes you not want to play other games as much, which, could either be taken as a pro or a con (since this is generally the thread where you discuss your thoughts as a whole of the games rather than any other thread).

And since you did state a con in your post, I think that if this thread was left on its own, people would eventually start discussing pros and cons as to why they don't want to play any other game, so merged where people can still discuss.~

Perriechu December 3rd, 2010 12:11 AM

Loved.
  • How the battling system has been sped up.
  • The stunning 3D graphics.
  • How there's more to do after the E4/League.
  • Dream World.
  • The introduction of Desukan <3 You sexy Coffin' you.

Hated
  • How my games in Japanese
  • How quickly the game goes by.
  • How easy the game is and how it doesn't provide a challenge..

インフェルノの津波 December 3rd, 2010 12:20 AM

Unfortunately, I am disappointed in the ending of the game.

Just credits? Seriously? HG/SS did a better job at showing the credits, come on.

But I now love the Winter season. It's. So. PRETTY.

Perriechu December 3rd, 2010 12:31 AM

Ohhh thats another thing I should of added to my Loved list.

The seasons. I love how with each season can bring you different varieties of Pokemon and Items, such as Winter, the Snow makes hills into different places for rarer Pokemon and Items.

Serene Grace December 3rd, 2010 4:32 AM

I like the approach the Black & White has taken with Pokemon. It makes the video games seem modern and fresh and I think they took risks by spicing up the games but - in my opinion - those risks paid off, big time. I also love the overall designs of the Pokemon. Yeah, it's more of a personal reasoning but I think they signify what Pokemon should look like (crazy, mythical creatures) and the designs are certainly unique!

Finally, I love the new way they've enhanced competitive battling by adding some new creatures to the mix. I know yhis happens pretty much with every generation but this one (and don't quote me too much on this, I've only skimmed the stats) seems to have produced a balance that most competitive battlers will revel in. That and it looks like the Battle Frontier Subway will be so interesting!

Sleet December 3rd, 2010 11:49 AM

I'm a nostalgia freak and despise the new Pokemon.


Everything else is pretty good.

msfan645 December 3rd, 2010 2:55 PM

I guess everything is fine except some of the pokemon.
4/5

Headfirst For Halos December 3rd, 2010 7:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Sleet (Post 6322005)
I'm a nostalgia freak and despise the new Pokemon.


Everything else is pretty good.

Says the one who has a Seviper av/signature. :cer_shifty:


I give a thumbs up to this generation in general, despite not having an evolution of Dunsparce.

Sleet December 3rd, 2010 9:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Headfirst For Halos (Post 6322714)


Says the one who has a Seviper av/signature. :cer_shifty:


I give a thumbs up to this generation in general, despite not having an evolution of Dunsparce.

Don't be hating on Seviper :laugh:

Anyway, disregard that last post I made anyway. I just...acquired the game with the English patch and, I must say, It is so much better than I expected. And the final evolutions of the Pokemon don't actually look that bad.

4/5 so far for me and I've only played an hour or so of it.

edguitar December 8th, 2010 1:26 PM

I finished the game the other day, and i have to say it's by far my favourite gen thus far. I despised the 3rd gen, and thought the 4th was decent, but this one is just amazing. I love the pokemon, they remind me so much of kanto, the far fetched designs that made the first games so great. The story is amazing, and the graphics look great. Not to mention, I love the town designs. My only two complaints are that most HMs weren't really needed to advance in the game, it just didnt feel right, and it was a bit too short. Other than that, 5/5 , 10/10, 100/100.

deadlyangel91792 December 8th, 2010 10:48 PM

O.M.G, pokemon black has been the most epic pokemon experience i have ever played everything about it is just so much better, i just finished the game with 44 hours on the clock and all i wanna do is keep playing, there are now cutscenes in the game, epic zooming in the over world gameplay, LOTS of new online modes and random wifi matches, the game feels so new and a bit more mature with still that pokemon sense of humor, you dont see ANY of the old pokemon until after you beat the elite 4 (speaking of which this game has the most epic ending sequence of all the pokemon games) and because of that it feels so fresh like a new start to the series I seriously cant wait for them to make a pokemon grey just to see what they do about all those new legendaries...among all the new pokemon i have to say my favorites are Suzandra and Ononokus (2 new dragon types)

The game is more difficult this time around too and theres just so much badassness i seriously couldnt recommend it any higher...

(also for the sake of keeping the game awesome i recommend keeping a spot open in your team when you first fight the elite 4 lets just say some poop goes down)

oh and before i 4get there's ALOT to do once you beat the E4...ALOT

(also i count beating the game as the 2nd time through the elite 4)

I dont see how anyone couldnt like this game yeah some of the new pokemon suck but its just so refreshing and feels different in such a good way...10/10 IMO

Musica December 9th, 2010 1:27 AM

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Originally Posted by deadlyangel91792 (Post 6332269)
O.M.G, pokemon black has been the most epic pokemon experience i have ever played everything about it is just so much better, i just finished the game with 44 hours on the clock and all i wanna do is keep playing, there are now cutscenes in the game, epic zooming in the over world gameplay, LOTS of new online modes and random wifi matches, the game feels so new and a bit more mature with still that pokemon sense of humor, you dont see ANY of the old pokemon until after you beat the elite 4 (speaking of which this game has the most epic ending sequence of all the pokemon games) and because of that it feels so fresh like a new start to the series I seriously cant wait for them to make a pokemon grey just to see what they do about all those new legendaries...among all the new pokemon i have to say my favorites are Suzandra and Ononokus (2 new dragon types)

The game is more difficult this time around too and theres just so much badassness i seriously couldnt recommend it any higher...

(also for the sake of keeping the game awesome i recommend keeping a spot open in your team when you first fight the elite 4 lets just say some poop goes down)

oh and before i 4get there's ALOT to do once you beat the E4...ALOT

(also i count beating the game as the 2nd time through the elite 4)

I dont see how anyone couldnt like this game yeah some of the new pokemon suck but its just so refreshing and feels different in such a good way...10/10 IMO

By that, you just made me excited in playing these newer versions once they get released here. You also disliked the Pokemons' appearance, yet the gameplay "turned you on."

I hope I'll feel the same way once I get my hands on it.

I haven't really played B/W, but I think the Pro's are what he said and the Cons would only be the appearance of the Pokemons.

deadlyangel91792 December 9th, 2010 8:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Musica (Post 6332401)
By that, you just made me excited in playing these newer versions once they get released here. You also disliked the Pokemons' appearance, yet the gameplay "turned you on."

I hope I'll feel the same way once I get my hands on it.

I haven't really played B/W, but I think the Pro's are what he said and the Cons would only be the appearance of the Pokemons.

I really wouldn't even consider the appearence to be a bad thing there unique is all and this gen still has its awesome ones...the game did turn me on though....like ALOT

(also for the record there is a 98% done english patch for the game v.7 i think it was, mine was ordered from japan but if it helps the patch is really good and covers the entire story and most if not all of the post game)

StratusJm December 11th, 2010 6:21 AM

I like the designs this generation.

Can't wait for it to come out in Ireland. I have a good feeling I will like this.

Legendary Silke December 11th, 2010 8:21 AM

To me:

Pros:
Awesome opening.
Superior battle framerate
Superior battle speed
Superior battle graphics
Superior plot
Superior music
Superior interface... for buttons.
No severe frameskip like in Platinum. *coughHearthomeBicyclecough*
Pokémon designs.
City and town design.
Game pacing. Quick in general.

Cons:
Nonexistent interface for the touch screen.

Mr.Deth December 13th, 2010 10:53 AM

So far the game for me the game looks great. But of course everything has it's ups and downs.
So far we have...

Pros:

-The new "Pick starter, battle rival" beginning where you battle the other 2 starters you didnt take. I thought that was rather cool, but it also disappointed me because when Bel suggested a battle I went "Oh EM GEE, a 3 way battle??". Other than that, it was kind of cool.
-The music going all "Hey this Pokemon is gonna faint soon!" when a Pokemon goes critical.
-Constantly moving sprites and fresh new battle animations.
-Pokemon Center and PokeMart in the same building. Finally I dont have to search all around town for the PokeMart!.
-New looking newness. You can definitely see an American or Western influence to some of the newer characters and Pokemon.
-The first Gym had a neat concept. 3 possible Gym Leader outcomes based on what you chose as a starter. Kinda like how Garys team would change depending on what you chose in Red and Blue.
-They kept that "Thud" noise whenever you run into stuff.
-A random person giving you a random Pokemon based on what you choose as a starter, so you can battle the first Gym effectively.

Cons:

-That Pokemon they give you kind of sucks other than use in the first Gym.
-The music kinda sounds....like something you'd rather not get caught on a subway listening to.
-The common starting out Pokemon kinda suck. A lot. Choroneko has no tolerance to damage of ANY KIND. Minezuma is rather slow and doesn't produce enough bang for being so slow. Yooterii... I have no problem with actually.
-Exp gain is slow. Very slow.
-Some of the Pokemon designs are kind of WTF.
-I cannot stop reading Professor Araragi's text in the voice of Dr. Girlfriend from the Venture Brothers.


Other than all that, It seem like a solid game. I hope it throws some more awesomeness my way later on.

deneric December 13th, 2010 3:35 PM

It's probably my favorite since R/B (wasn't a fan of yellow). I mean, some of the pokemon look a little funky, but they always do, and frankly, I feel like they're putting the monster back in PokeMON. My biggest complaint is PROBABLY Baoppu (I don't know about the other monkeys). Until level 25 or so, the only fire attack he had (and subsequently, I had, since I picked Mijumaru) was incinerate; an attack that does less damage than ember. Oh, another thing that bugged me; Shimama. That little %^&[email protected]! couldn't take practically ANYTHING before dying, but then he evolved and I stopped wishing I could throw his pokeball in a river. Now he's just a beast.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire December 13th, 2010 4:56 PM

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Originally Posted by deneric (Post 6340041)
It's probably my favorite since R/B (wasn't a fan of yellow). I mean, some of the pokemon look a little funky, but they always do, and frankly, I feel like they're putting the monster back in PokeMON. My biggest complaint is PROBABLY Baoppu (I don't know about the other monkeys). Until level 25 or so, the only fire attack he had (and subsequently, I had, since I picked Mijumaru) was incinerate; an attack that does less damage than ember. Oh, another thing that bugged me; Shimama. That little %^&[email protected]! couldn't take practically ANYTHING before dying, but then he evolved and I stopped wishing I could throw his pokeball in a river. Now he's just a beast.

Wow you make Shimama sound like the new Magikarp...
I like it that they added cutscenes into the story :)

deneric December 13th, 2010 5:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 6340181)

Wow you make Shimama sound like the new Magikarp...
I like it that they added cutscenes into the story :)

Lol I'm sure he was close, but in his defense, he WAS pretty useful against other electric types (motor drive rocks)

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire December 13th, 2010 5:22 PM

The dream world abilities for most of the pokemon are a plus for me this gen...I really have little cons for this generation...

deneric December 15th, 2010 4:58 PM

Am I the only one who hates Miruhog with a fiery passion?
 
He always makes me sleep or confuses me, then it starts using hyper fang, so now I'm started using my most over-kill attacks to make sure it stays dead.

Zelda December 15th, 2010 5:12 PM

Merged to the Pros and Cons as really, I would say you're listing a con there. ;P

Headfirst For Halos December 15th, 2010 5:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SandslashFTW (Post 6245350)
All of the Pokemon need to be violently assaulted and killed with chainsaws.

All of the nostalgiatards need to be violently assaulted and killed with chainsaws.

Lol u mad?

Ho-Oh December 15th, 2010 5:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Headfirst For Halos (Post 6343709)


All of the nostalgiatards need to be violently assaulted and killed with chainsaws.

Lol u mad?

Or we could all play nice!

I accidentally looked at a screenshot of Isshu and remembered how pretty its grass is. Seriously, the grass that doesn't contain Pokemon is so awesome. XD

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire December 15th, 2010 7:45 PM

One of the cons of Isshu is that there is too many Grass/Poison (the combo) type pokemon, one or two is nice...but I think they went a little over board...maybe as much as they had in Kanto...

deneric December 15th, 2010 8:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaori (Post 6343658)
Merged to the Pros and Cons as really, I would say you're listing a con there. ;P

Yeah it probably is a con :P I had just had my daikenki wiped out by a stroke of incredibly bad luck with one of those so I wanted to rant, but I had forgotten about this thread :P


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