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Theab95 December 17th, 2010 12:08 PM

The best thing about the tow game is the music and N

GameArtistOlivier December 17th, 2010 12:32 PM

Ranting on B/W
 
They don't even look like pokémon anymore. Only a few of them do. Pokémon were based on animals. So there would come a point at which they wouldn't be able to 'create' new pokemons anymore. They have reached that point now. Okay, not all of the original pokemon were animals but that was to have some of them stand out(, IMO). They're more like DIGIMON now. I can't believe there are still people who like the current Pokémon games. Pokémon has had it's best time at coming up with new stuff. They should start creating other types of games now, Like something with real-time estimated battles that look more realistic instead of the turn-based battles.I have really started to hate the pokemon series with the new Black and White releases. I've played every single one of them from Yellow to HeartGold even most of the mystery dungeon and pokemon ranger spinoffs, except for the games like pokemon dash and pokemon link or even pokemon pinball. Pokemon just isn't pokemon anymore.

Please give me your opinion, maybe you can show me the light of the new games, that was hidden away in this terrible dark cave of non-pokemon.

zoo3891 December 17th, 2010 12:44 PM

Well the storyline looks great. And as people asked for something different we got it. Theres going to be a lot more features, more than even gen 4 added. Also you don't have to tolerate these Pokemon for too long, once you beat the E4 you can catch 'em all.

MrGriszell December 17th, 2010 1:38 PM

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Originally Posted by GameArtistOlivier (Post 6346435)
They don't even look like pokémon anymore. Only a few of them do. Pokémon were based on animals. So there would come a point at which they wouldn't be able to 'create' new pokemons anymore. They have reached that point now. Okay, not all of the original pokemon were animals but that was to have some of them stand out(, IMO). They're more like DIGIMON now. I can't believe there are still people who like the current Pokémon games. Pokémon has had it's best time at coming up with new stuff. They should start creating other types of games now, Like something with real-time estimated battles that look more realistic instead of the turn-based battles.I have really started to hate the pokemon series with the new Black and White releases. I've played every single one of them from Yellow to HeartGold even most of the mystery dungeon and pokemon ranger spinoffs, except for the games like pokemon dash and pokemon link or even pokemon pinball. Pokemon just isn't pokemon anymore.

Please give me your opinion, maybe you can show me the light of the new games, that was hidden away in this terrible dark cave of non-pokemon.

Your right about them not looking alot like first gen pokemon, but would you really want all of them to look the same? I do agree at some point it will be hard to come up with some more pokmon. And as far as your statement about you hating the pokemon games, your part of the minority , but i do agree i cant say i would like to see the day when theres 1000 pokemon.....well maybe lol

altariaking December 17th, 2010 1:56 PM

fs here we go again...define what looks like a Pokemon. If a dolphin looked like a shark, does that mean it's a shark and not a dolphin? NO IT DOES NOT. I am so sick and tired of over-obsessed fanboys getting mad because Pokemon changed a tiny little bit. It grew up. Maybe you should do the same? If they are Pokemon, they are in a Pokemon game, made by people who make Pokemon, they are Pokemon, if you think you can do better, go make 156 Pokemon and PM them to gamefreak. I'm sure they'd love to see your ideas. You don't like them? Don't play them, it's that simple, stop whining about a kid's game and get over it.
And there goes my own rant.

Zelda December 17th, 2010 2:20 PM

Share your rants in the Pros and Cons Discussion instead. =P

MrGriszell December 17th, 2010 2:30 PM

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Originally Posted by altariaking (Post 6346520)
fs here we go again...define what looks like a Pokemon. If a dolphin looked like a shark, does that mean it's a shark and not a dolphin? NO IT DOES NOT. I am so sick and tired of over-obsessed fanboys getting mad because Pokemon changed a tiny little bit. It grew up. Maybe you should do the same? If they are Pokemon, they are in a Pokemon game, made by people who make Pokemon, they are Pokemon, if you think you can do better, go make 156 Pokemon and PM them to gamefreak. I'm sure they'd love to see your ideas. You don't like them? Don't play them, it's that simple, stop whining about a kid's game and get over it.
And there goes my own rant.

I think you were a little harsh. while i agree with your logic that if the people who make pokemon make a pokemon then.... its a pokemon lol. But i can see where the other side are coming from, pokemon has changed in design since 1st gen, but like with cars ,phones , and game counsels the designs of things will change. Just as pokemon from each gen differs so does animals in real life. As for the game play and storyline of gen 5 your nucking futts if you dont think its an improvement

shinyabsol1 December 17th, 2010 2:44 PM

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fs here we go again...define what looks like a Pokemon. If a dolphin looked like a shark, does that mean it's a shark and not a dolphin? NO IT DOES NOT. I am so sick and tired of over-obsessed fanboys getting mad because Pokemon changed a tiny little bit. It grew up. Maybe you should do the same? If they are Pokemon, they are in a Pokemon game, made by people who make Pokemon, they are Pokemon, if you think you can do better, go make 156 Pokemon and PM them to gamefreak. I'm sure they'd love to see your ideas. You don't like them? Don't play them, it's that simple, stop whining about a kid's game and get over it.
And there goes my own rant.
Woah...nice rant! And I agree with you all the way!! Personally, I like the way the new Pokemon look. Nintendo has done a great job of coming up with new Pokemon through five generations. You have to give credit to them for being able to do this to such nice quality. If it had been me creating all those 600 plus Pokemon they would be terrible! No one here could have done better, so just suck it up and deal with it. Go cry over the new Pokemon elsewhere, GameArtistOlivier.

PatJamma December 17th, 2010 3:14 PM

Cons: Fire/Fighting starter AGAIN, uncreative names AGAIN, triple battles and rotations battles, game differences are really lame AS ALWAYS, no more "low health beep" (you never know you miss something until it's gone), too many legendarys AGAIN and probably a lot more

Pros: Low number of HMs

*sigh* Gamefreak went so wrong after GSC

Haus of Dye December 17th, 2010 3:45 PM

I love the animated sprites!

I am not too happy that we can't have pokemon follow us like in HeartGold/SoulSilver.

deadlyangel91792 December 19th, 2010 5:35 PM

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Originally Posted by PatJamma (Post 6346638)
Cons: Fire/Fighting starter AGAIN, uncreative names AGAIN, triple battles and rotations battles, game differences are really lame AS ALWAYS, no more "low health beep" (you never know you miss something until it's gone), too many legendarys AGAIN and probably a lot more

Pros: Low number of HMs

*sigh* Gamefreak went so wrong after GSC

1 i agree wtf

2 these are the jap names so far...idk how creative they'll be in english.

3 triple and rotation battles are awesome imo...i just hope they dont take it any further

4 the low health beep got changed for a new track that sounds great and still has the same effect as the beep since u only hear it when your health is low.

5 i agree...

sorry just throwing in my 2 cents

The Red Chain December 19th, 2010 5:42 PM

Regarding the constant "they don't look like Pokemon" rants that I'm so annoyed at hearing, what defines a Pokemon? What "looks" like a Pokemon?
This region's got a few more inanimate objects than normal as Pokemon, but does that really call for that comment?

There's no definite way of looking like a Pokemon to me so I'm curious as to what you all mean.


OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire December 19th, 2010 6:30 PM

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Originally Posted by PatJamma (Post 6346638)
Cons: Fire/Fighting starter AGAIN, uncreative names AGAIN, triple battles and rotations battles, game differences are really lame AS ALWAYS, no more "low health beep" (you never know you miss something until it's gone), too many legendarys AGAIN and probably a lot more

Pros: Low number of HMs

*sigh* Gamefreak went so wrong after GSC

Well there is still a beat but it's more upbeat and cool sounding than the "Low health beep"
I like it that they made Tm's reusable this gen, now I don't have to struggle with buying a new one each time I use one.

Erufuun December 19th, 2010 6:53 PM

I started playing Pokemon White a few days ago, (*cough*ROM*cough*) and I have to say, the game is amazing~ <33 Wonder graphics, the 3D is great~ Awesome Pokemon, always something interesting around the corner to be caught! This is the only time I have no room for HM slaves! XD And thank god there is an easy way to train low level Pokemon! This is Pokemon at it's best in my opinion!

However, now I have to get to the cons...
But there is only 1.
The. Game. Is. EASY.
Too easy.
By this I mean the Gyms... THERE IS SOMETHING DIRECTLY TO COUNTER IT NEARBY.
CAUTION, THIS IS A HUGE SPOILER. (Doesn't know how to hide)
Spoiler:
1. 1st Gym, it directly counters whatever starter you get. Which is a good challenge, I like it! But just around the corner there is a guy who gives you a Pokemon to counter the gym! It's so stupid!
2. Normal type. One weakness, fighting. Normally I wouldn't expect to find one this early, but there is three. Two of which are EXTREMELY notable! Nageki and Dageki! (Bert and Ernie, lol) Each of them have a 100+ base attack! You can easily beat the gym.
3. Bug type. Now, this wouldn't normally be hard, except I had Tsutarja as my starter. But just ahead in the desert, there is a pure counter to that gym: Darumakka. With a 90 base attack, Hustle, and Fire Punch, this guy tears through anything!! This gym is a joke with him.
4. Electric type. Remember that desert I told ya about? Lets go back and catch a Meguroco. Evolve him, get him with intimidate, you should be fine. To be honest, this gym is a joke... Emonga will not give you much trouble. Also, back in any cave you could of found a Mogurew, with Dig and Rockslide, this gym is even more of a joke.
5. Ground type. Most of you chose 'Taja or Miju', so you should be fine. For those of you who chose bacon... Well, Your team should be fine anyways. However, there is the little Ice Cream cone guy down south, which is basically a counter to the gym.
6. Flying type. I found this hilarious. You finally get out of Electric Rock cave, find out this place has an airport, then go back inside. Wow this place had an obvious gym type... And what horrible placing too!!! I mean right after a cave filled with electric/steel Pokemon?! FAIL. I myself caught a Shibishirasu and had NO problem.
7. Ice type. Hopefully it is winter time for you, this gives you access to the double grass in the north part of town. Here you will find all you will need, a high level Kojofu. With Drain Punch and High Jump Kick, everything is OHKO'd in the gym. This was just sad, to me.
8. Dragon type. Normally threatening, but it's Ice weakness is exploitable. Since I doubt no one caught ice cream cone, In the cave right before the city, if you are lucky enough, you will run into a Furiijio. Ice beam. 'Nough said. Though getting hit with anything will kill you with 35 base defence, so watch out...


Don't you remember in the old days where you had to try a bit? Like how Falkner closed off a route to prevent you from getting a Pokemon that countered his team... Or how Sabrina's Gym had no exploitable weakness and all of her Pokemon were very high levels.

I mean there were a few helps to Gyms back then... Like Lt. Surges. Digglett cave right next to his city. Dugtrio, anyone? Or Roxanne in Rustboro city. Your starter kicked her Pokemons' asses, no matter which one ya chose.

A little bit of a break is good, but having this much? It's just too much, Gamefreak. :c I wish there was a challenge setting on Pokemon. No tutorial, not helpfully placed Wild Pokemon all the time, like the good ol' days.

Oh, and one more thing... Antidotes used to have a use. Poison used to be so deadly... They made me afraid of Weedle. 4th gen introduced that if they reached 1 hp, the Poison cleared. Kinda helpful if I had no Antidotes, I'd just run around until it was gone. And now, it doesn't even damage you outside of battle!! I got poisoned during the bug gym and was like, "OH SHI- I BETTER GET TO THE POKECENTER", but then shortly found out it did NOTHING. Now poison types are just a minor nuisance.

Zeturic December 19th, 2010 7:00 PM

The most common complaint about these games is that the Pokemon don't look like Pokemon, whatever that is supposed to mean. To say that is meaningless before someone defines what constitutes a Pokemon.

Besides, in reality, we do not a Pokemon is. A Pokemon is a creature in the video game series, Pokemon. Do the more recent Pokemon (whose identities are in question) fit this definition? Yes, they do.

Despite this, I do understand what the people are talking about. It's been that way since Ruby and Sapphire - the Pokemon are becoming more intricate, less simplistic. People enjoyed the old style - so, they feel that, since it was changed, that it must be for the worse.

This mindset is somewhat understandable - the original 251 were what most of today's Pokemon fans got hooked on, some even the original 151. But, yes, that's all it comes down to - people being reactionary.

This aversion to change is not the same as disliking some of the Pokemon, or even most of them, it is just about not giving them a chance because they are different that what you liked a decade ago.

You could also be one of the handful of people who actually sat down, and took the time to think about it, and decided all the new Pokemon are garbage - that you hate the direction the series is going in. If you are, I can do nothing to dissuade this.

For both the reactionary folks and those that genuinely dislike the new direction, I have a question. Why are you still here? If you dislike it, there's no reason to be here, on Pokemon websites anymore. Drag out your Game Boy Color out of the closet and play Gold version, or Red version, or whatever it was that you played for the first time. You could, I suppose, even make your own set of forums dedicated to just the first two generations of Pokemon. There is absolutely no reason for you to go on the sections for new games and rant about how awful they are.

Pokemon has changed. That isn't necessarily a bad thing.

I do apologize if that was a tad harsh.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire December 19th, 2010 8:49 PM

One of the con's for me is also all the "They don't even look like Pokemon anymore!" stuff going around, Pokemon look a tad different each gen to begin with...
Now for one of the con in game is that they didn't give Magmar Drought but they did to Ninetails...

bobandbill December 19th, 2010 8:54 PM

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Don't you remember in the old days where you had to try a bit? Like how Falkner closed off a route to prevent you from getting a Pokemon that countered his team... Or how Sabrina's Gym had no exploitable weakness and all of her Pokemon were very high levels.
I'd disagree as in GSC with Falkner you could catch a Geodude later on or trade a bellsprout for an Onix, and Sabrina's pokes were weak to bug-type attacks back in the day (that one is rather valid though given the lack of bug-type moves and the overpowered-ness of psychic types back then). But tbh there has nearly always been a case of a Pokemon or few nearby that you could catch to help with a gym. But this doesn't really affect your playthrough - it's up to you to use them or not (bar maybe for the 1st gym given the rather low choice of Pokemon available anyways... =/), so really you can make the Pokemon games as challenging as you want (try a monotype runthrough for instance, or a nuzlocke challenge!).
Quote:

Drag out your Game Boy Color out of the closet and play Gold version, or Red version, or whatever it was that you played for the first time.
Not at all too harsh (the Pokemon fandom likes complaining that new Pokemon don't look 'right' since the 2nd gen) but most GSC games have their internal battery dead preventing saving. ;p
Quote:

Cons: Fire/Fighting starter AGAIN, uncreative names AGAIN, triple battles and rotations battles, game differences are really lame AS ALWAYS, no more "low health beep" (you never know you miss something until it's gone), too many legendarys AGAIN and probably a lot more
Beside the corrections to the lack of a beep when you're at low health posts, triple and rotation battles do not occur during the playthrough unless you talk to specific people in towns and agree to have such a battle with them, so it's not that valid a complaint - it's just an optional way to battle, really. Also the Japanese names are generally just as punny and 'uncreative' as the english names and have been since the beginning.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire December 19th, 2010 9:00 PM

A Pro is the scene with N and Team Plasma instead of the traditional battle champion after you beat the E4 :)

Erufuun December 19th, 2010 9:14 PM

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I'd disagree as in GSC with Falkner you could catch a Geodude later on or trade a bellsprout for an Onix, and Sabrina's pokes were weak to bug-type attacks back in the day (that one is rather valid though given the lack of bug-type moves and the overpowered-ness of psychic types back then). But tbh there has nearly always been a case of a Pokemon or few nearby that you could catch to help with a gym. But this doesn't really affect your playthrough - it's up to you to use them or not (bar maybe for the 1st gym given the rather low choice of Pokemon available anyways... =/), so really you can make the Pokemon games as challenging as you want (try a monotype runthrough for instance, or a nuzlocke challenge!).
Yeah, but who wants a Geodude or Onix? XD Laaaaame if you ask me. But he literally says you can't catch a Pokemon because it is strong against his team. And cmon, Mareep is an awesome Pokemon, it killed me that I had to wait. D:

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire December 19th, 2010 9:37 PM

Pro: Being able to have your own house where you can put furniture where you want it as well as being able to visit your friends houses in the dream world!

chaos11011 December 20th, 2010 8:43 AM

Pro: Moving Pokemon, Kana/Kanji Feature, DW adds more abilities for competitive players, Plasma being the most "plot" based team so far, reusable TMs, N is a Nuzlocker (well kinda), The only Gen that I like all three starters since Kanto, Female Non-Military Electric Gym Leader, You can choose which order to fight the E4, The Music (exept for Adeku's), Lucky Egg is easy to get, Tabbune = Easy Grinding, The only HM needed is Cut

Con: Every Gym is easily Counter-Picked, No refightable Gym Leaders, Adeku's theme, Geechisu's speeches take forever when your in a rush, The method to evolve Chobomaki and Kaburumo, The Only TM needed is CUT

Zeturic December 20th, 2010 9:08 AM

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Originally Posted by bobandbill (Post 6351142)
Not at all too harsh (the Pokemon fandom likes complaining that new Pokemon don't look 'right' since the 2nd gen) but most GSC games have their internal battery dead preventing saving. ;p

I always forget about that; though I have every version of those, not one has gone dead like that. But, still, if not a physical cart, they could get an emulator.

But, I'm like, totally, not advocating ROM usage.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire December 20th, 2010 12:21 PM

Pro: White forest, it looks so cool, it's looks like a real big tree forest :) Oh and the new Grass/Steel type Pokemon I've been wanting one of those for some time!

locoroco December 21st, 2010 6:22 AM

Pros: They fixed d&n, the graphics are pretty cool, you dont need hm's, the dream world is very cool and wifi.

Cons: I hate the story -_- a complete dissapointment. The pokemon are also pretty bad (offtopic). The pokegear and the graphics, they were too lazy to make 3d models of the pokemon they look sooo wrong in battle. They could have done a lot better but they rushed the game and that was a downfall im really dissapointed.

chaos11011 December 21st, 2010 7:39 AM

@locoroco actually you need one HM to complete the game, Cut. Without it you can't proceed the game after the 1st Gym

Nina December 21st, 2010 8:04 AM

Pro: The game has a difficulty where I can't just blow through things as easily. It makes you more alert.

Con: The game has a difficulty where I can't just blow through things as easily. I just want to breed and use the pokeshifter!

locoroco December 21st, 2010 8:34 AM

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Originally Posted by chaos11011 (Post 6353388)
@locoroco actually you need one HM to complete the game, Cut. Without it you can't proceed the game after the 1st Gym

Point is that you really dont need em at all after that.

fenyx4 December 22nd, 2010 10:18 AM

Whoa...I was about to say...no Safari Zone, either?! WTF is going on? That would've been madness. Apparently, the White Forest is very similar and essentially serves the same function...though it's limited to one version. :cer_no: *sighs* But in past games, there was something special about going on a solo excursion sans Pokemon hauling around rocks, bait, and PokeBlocks. Plus, you gotta sneak up on the target Pokemon like a ninja! :bandit:


http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/5/57/BW_Prerelease_Zoroark_battle_eng.png

In other notes, I dislike that "Claw Sharpen" got renamed as "Hone Claws". The only time I've heard the word "hone" used is with honing skills and honing in on something, not honing something like claws... :\ But apparently, it can mean "sharpening", so I guess it roughly fits. But still, Claw Sharpen even fits the current 12-character limit for a move's name! If we can have Blaze and Turboblaze as abilities, I don't see why we couldn't have Sharpen alongside Claw Sharpen... :( I'm liking the renaming of Trickery to Foul Play, though.

And finally, a pro for BW: I love that the Battle Text Box is now a semi-transparent black box. Adds a new feel to the battle screen, and still maintains the "black/white" theme of the games. Plus, it makes battles seem even more like serious business. :)

...Except now I'm bugged by the font of the letters and numbers (the level numbers, not the HP numbers) in the HP Bar Box (which isn't even a "box" anymore!). And the HP Bar shrunk... Personally, I really liked the HP Bar Box featured in Pokemon Diamond and Pearl Versions. I've gotten very used to the HP Bar Box in RSE, and DP just enhanced and beautified it to a very pleasant design. :cer_love: But I guess as Pokemon progresses, the HP Bar Box grows as well... :\

altariaking December 24th, 2010 3:32 PM

Pro: Awesome new monkey names.
Con: Only one fishing rod? Also the game is pretty linear :\

Otherworld9) December 26th, 2010 2:43 PM

Bleh
 
I was not so good on the designs. Human items as designs? Come on, I would accept nature items but human? What I do like is the fact the main characters on the game actually grew or are older than 10 year old characters. I like the NY setting though.

EagleVision1999 December 26th, 2010 4:20 PM

Hmmm...I avoided to look at the new Pokémon as much as I can because I want to be surprised dureing playing. I like the ones I did see though.
I generally prefer Pokémon modelled after animals and natural things instead of man made things because I can't see why a natural living creature would be shaped like a product. But it depends...I did like Chimecho for example, so I'm gonna wait 'till I play the game to decide wether I dislike them or not.

What I dislike is that one can re-use TMs. It makes things kinda easy. I also dislike that they chose to translate the region name in the other versions. Now it doesn't fit in with the other ones.
I don't like that the only way to transfer old Pokémon into Black and White is similar to the Pal Park. I'd prefer it if they had something similar to the time machine in S/G/C .It being a one way street will make me hesistat to transfer my favorites, unless the new game turns out to be a new favorite for me.

Besides this I don't know much yet, so I'll wait.

Perriechu December 30th, 2010 9:51 PM

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Originally Posted by fenyx4 (Post 6355407)
Whoa...I was about to say...no Safari Zone, either?! WTF is going on? That would've been madness. Apparently, the White Forest is very similar and essentially serves the same function...though it's limited to one version. :cer_no: *sighs* But in past games, there was something special about going on a solo excursion sans Pokemon hauling around rocks, bait, and PokeBlocks. Plus, you gotta sneak up on the target Pokemon like a ninja! :bandit:


http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/5/57/BW_Prerelease_Zoroark_battle_eng.png

In other notes, I dislike that "Claw Sharpen" got renamed as "Hone Claws". The only time I've heard the word "hone" used is with honing skills and honing in on something, not honing something like claws... :\ But apparently, it can mean "sharpening", so I guess it roughly fits. But still, Claw Sharpen even fits the current 12-character limit for a move's name! If we can have Blaze and Turboblaze as abilities, I don't see why we couldn't have Sharpen alongside Claw Sharpen... :( I'm liking the renaming of Trickery to Foul Play, though.

And finally, a pro for BW: I love that the Battle Text Box is now a semi-transparent black box. Adds a new feel to the battle screen, and still maintains the "black/white" theme of the games. Plus, it makes battles seem even more like serious business. :)

...Except now I'm bugged by the font of the letters and numbers (the level numbers, not the HP numbers) in the HP Bar Box (which isn't even a "box" anymore!). And the HP Bar shrunk... Personally, I really liked the HP Bar Box featured in Pokemon Diamond and Pearl Versions. I've gotten very used to the HP Bar Box in RSE, and DP just enhanced and beautified it to a very pleasant design. :cer_love: But I guess as Pokemon progresses, the HP Bar Box grows as well... :\

Since this is a Pro's and Con's thread I shouldn't have to spoiler this next bit of information but anyway n.n;
Spoiler:

White forest is nothing like the Safari zone. Idk who told you that |: There silly. You only get 1-2 Pokemon available to catch and they can only change by using the Dream world/High link. Which is rubbish for people without Wifi.
And you use your owns balls. (Not a euphemism. XD) and items and Pokemon and such.


Pro; Black City looks amazing. And the new E4 layout, along with Victory road and the bridges.

Con; It's in Japanese Not much of an Post-E4 story D; I would of like some more Team Plasma.

Raichupacabra December 31st, 2010 1:34 AM

Pros:
All the new Pokemon (Smugleaf, Pignite, and Wotter.)
All the new features
Its a challenge
Animated sprites
Good story

Cons:
No cons. (I have never played Pt/HG/SS so I don't have to female dog about every feature that didn't make it.)

Sabrewulf238 December 31st, 2010 2:14 AM

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Originally Posted by chaos11011 (Post 6353388)
@locoroco actually you need one HM to complete the game, Cut. Without it you can't proceed the game after the 1st Gym

This is good news, I hate having to bring a HM Slave with me all the time. Now I can just use a Minezumi for this one job and be done with it until after I beat the elite four.

I like the idea of having the HMs mostly for after game stuff.

Andrut December 31st, 2010 2:40 AM

Pros:
-Really good Pokemon for me.
-Keeps a Pokemon feeling,even though it's got many changes.
-GTS Negotiation, you can get many foreign Pokemon before the second gym!
-Good Storyline
-Amazing music in some points
Cons:
-The Game ends too quickly,after defeating E4 i feel there's nothing to do. >_<
-The levels are crazy after E4.
-There are some very annoying moments in the game which just eat your time.
-Pokemon festivals >_<
-Too easy. I beat the game very quickly,and Leaders have weak Pokemon.
-Ridiculous evolution levels (I understand 40 but 60? Really?)

rocky505 January 2nd, 2011 4:21 AM

Pros: Great storyline, awesome new type combos

Cons: WAY to many standalone pokemon. All of those standalone pokemon could have had their own evos or pre evos if there wasn't so many. There are 14 standalone pokemon. 7 of those could've been a pre evo or evo for something.

Gl!tch January 17th, 2011 11:41 PM

What would you have liked to see in Black and White
 
What would you have liked to have seen done in Black and White, that just never happened?

Personally, I was hoping for some more Eevee evolutions. As silly as it was every gen, I had finally got used to the idea.

Ghost type eevee D:

What do you guys think?

PlatinumDude January 18th, 2011 2:05 AM

I would've liked to see the Pokeathlon in B/W because of how fun it was in HG/SS. That's all.

blue January 18th, 2011 4:10 AM

I would have like to see a few features, (a couple introduced in HG/SS) Pokéathlon (as mentioned in the previous post) the follow me feature (Pokémon following you) Eeveelutions, maybe a rock & ground type, also the VS. Seeker as it's a hell of a lot harder to train without that thing and Gym rematches, but having said all them they're features that could be introduced in the 3rd game.

Tropical Sunlight January 18th, 2011 5:28 AM

I wanted the game to have more storyline after the E4.

jcsimpson January 18th, 2011 7:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Suicune™ (Post 6405169)
The VS. Seeker as it's a hell of a lot harder to train without that thing and Gym rematches, but having said all them they're features that could be introduced in the 3rd game.

The VS. Seeker would be awesome as I'm still trying to level up my team in SS for the Johto E4 and it's taking forever. I would like to see the secret base come back but not only underground like in Diamond and Pearl but more like the secret base in Emerald. I'd also like the be able to customize the main character and the rival, give them long or short hair, give them the clothes you want etc..

tkallab January 18th, 2011 7:55 AM

I kind of hoped that the levels would rise a bit more slowly, especially after the league. It doesn't add to the difficulty factor, it just makes grinding a lot more annoying.

Zelda January 18th, 2011 8:01 AM

After a bit of thinking, merged with Pros and Cons since this is related to what should have happened/been preferred. :)

Captain Fabio January 18th, 2011 12:49 PM

Pros: New story I guess

Cons: Apparently the game ends very quickly, this annoys me since I will most likely have to wait till the 3rd instalment before a extra back story is added.


blue January 18th, 2011 1:01 PM

Heard from a few people now that the games ends abruptly, that's quite a con.

ShinySephiroth January 19th, 2011 4:27 AM

I thought the game was pretty good. A bit more difficult than the other games up to this point have been. Reminded me of how challenging the Elite 4 of FR/LG/B/R/Y were. ^_^ Although it still wasn't TOO difficult. Was able to beat the game with hardly ever switching out my Snivy. I still need to fight
~SPOILER~
...
Cynthia
...
~END SPOILER~
That should be a good battle! :D

Rawrinism January 19th, 2011 10:25 PM

There isn't a Safari Zone are there? T^T

Pro : Improved graphics. :D

Con : Gym leaders have a lack in Pokemon. :\

Gbamast January 21st, 2011 9:05 AM

I Havent Played it..But I dont like the Pokemon that much

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire January 21st, 2011 7:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by altariaking (Post 6359401)
Pro: Awesome new monkey names.
Con: Only one fishing rod? Also the game is pretty linear :\

0_0 one fishing rod?...wow that's a Pro for me :D! I was getting tired of always using three different kinds to capture lake,river,sea,ocean,ect. pokemon :)

pokemonmasteraaron January 21st, 2011 9:38 PM

thats kinda funny, because I just talked to some one who thought there were to miney features in the game and gamefreak had put to mutch in it. Hmmm I don't really care about new features, the only thing that matters to me is good gameplay witch it does have

anthonyrossbach January 23rd, 2011 5:48 PM

What do you think of the changes?
 
After trying the japanese versions of Pokemon Black and White I have a feeling they have killed the Pokemon series. Nothing is like the other generations and the game is just not wat Pokemon is about. For the few people who watched the first movie and was there when Red and Blue and even Green came out you know that Pokemon Black and White is a turn in a direction to games like Yo-ug-oh and Digimon where the styles of new Pokemon even resembles the creatures and monsters in yo-ug-oh and digimon. I never liked Yo-ug-oh and Digimon and that may be why Pokemon is more popular and one of the most popular franchises in the world. So here is my complaint list of Black and White.

1. The world.
In every generation up to Diamond and Pearl have had all green towns and city's except for the GC coliseum games. Now in Dismond and Pearl they went to the darker city's but they added wind mills and generators. Now in Black and White you see huge city's with sky scrapers and a city resembling New York with dark allies.

2. The Pokemon
Is it just me or do some of the Pokemon look like Yo-ug-oh dragons, caskets, and knights. Infact some of there colors are even the same but that is not all I saw 2 that look like sesame street caracters with black belts. Look at there faces and you will see. It does not look like Pokemon was based off of animals at all but rarer other games and kids tv shows.

3. Names
What is with the English names of some of the Pokemon. They are easier to say in Japanese and make more sense to, I think they should be the other way for some of them.

4. No old generations
What is with the games where you don't see older generations until you beat the game. This diminished my interest in the games and made it boring real quick when you saw nothing you knew the name of.

5. Stat and move changes
Some of the older games moves and Pokemon stats have been changed, yes only one or two but this to me is just not right.


I stuck around when Diamond Pearl and Platinum came out but this is diminishing my faith Pokemon. But when it comes out march 6th here I will give it s good play to see what I think of the changes and text in english for a solid review.

Perriechu January 23rd, 2011 5:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by anthonyrossbach (Post 6414592)
After trying the japanese versions of Pokemon Black and White I have a feeling they have killed the Pokemon series. Nothing is like the other generations and the game is just not wat Pokemon is about. For the few people who watched the first movie and was there when Red and Blue and even Green came out you know that Pokemon Black and White is a turn in a direction to games like Yo-ug-oh and Digimon where the styles of new Pokemon even resembles the creatures and monsters in yo-ug-oh and digimon. I never liked Yo-ug-oh and Digimon and that may be why Pokemon is more popular and one of the most popular franchises in the world. So here is my complaint list of Black and White.

1. The world.
In every generation up to Diamond and Pearl have had all green towns and city's except for the GC coliseum games. Now in Dismond and Pearl they went to the darker city's but they added wind mills and generators. Now in Black and White you see huge city's with sky scrapers and a city resembling New York with dark allies.

2. The Pokemon
Is it just me or do some of the Pokemon look like Yo-ug-oh dragons, caskets, and knights. Infact some of there colors are even the same but that is not all I saw 2 that look like sesame street caracters with black belts. Look at there faces and you will see. It does not look like Pokemon was based off of animals at all but rarer other games and kids tv shows.

3. Names
What is with the English names of some of the Pokemon. They are easier to say in Japanese and make more sense to, I think they should be the other way for some of them.

4. No old generations
What is with the games where you don't see older generations until you beat the game. This diminished my interest in the games and made it boring real quick when you saw nothing you knew the name of.

5. Stat and move changes
Some of the older games moves and Pokemon stats have been changed, yes only one or two but this to me is just not right.


I stuck around when Diamond Pearl and Platinum came out but this is diminishing my faith Pokemon. But when it comes out march 6th here I will give it s good play to see what I think of the changes and text in english for a solid review.

First of; It's Yu-Gi-Oh.

Secondly, what exactly are Pokemon supposed to look like hmm? I'm get sick of haters using this as their excuse u.u

So what if a few stat and move changes have been made; nothing major deal with it.

They wanted to give of a fresh start like they did in Kanto; thats why the routes have been reset to 1,2 etc... Also you think if Kanto came out in 3D that Saffron and Celadon city won't look like Castella?

Your seriously complaining about that every town isn't all smiles and rainbows? -.-

I can't argue with the names.

PlatinumDude January 23rd, 2011 6:06 PM

I greatly welcome B/W's changes, but I hated it when I couldn't use the old Pokemon pre-National Dex. The names don't really matter to me as long as they sound good. It's true that some Gen V Pokemon have terrible designs, but that doesn't mean you should hate on the entire generation as a whole.

Kenshin5 January 23rd, 2011 6:09 PM

1. The world.
In every generation up to Diamond and Pearl have had all green towns and city's except for the GC coliseum games. Now in Dismond and Pearl they went to the darker city's but they added wind mills and generators. Now in Black and White you see huge city's with sky scrapers and a city resembling New York with dark allies.
Saffron, Celadon, Goldenrod, Lilycove, Jublife are just about as big. So I don't see anything wrong with having a metropolis every one in awhile. It is not as though the whole region consists of huge city upon huge city.

2. The Pokemon
Is it just me or do some of the Pokemon look like Yo-ug-oh dragons, caskets, and knights. Infact some of there colors are even the same but that is not all I saw 2 that look like sesame street caracters with black belts. Look at there faces and you will see. It does not look like Pokemon was based off of animals at all but rarer other games and kids tv shows.
Yes we have heard this many times it looks like Yu-Gi-oh it looks like Digimon and so on and so, and I am sure we will hear it over and over again. No they look like pokemon, what is a prototypical pokemon supposed to look like?

3. Names
What is with the English names of some of the Pokemon. They are easier to say in Japanese and make more sense to, I think they should be the other way for some of them.
Not everyone can be happy. As long as they remotely symbolize or allude to what the pokemon is then I am fine with it.

4. No old generations
What is with the games where you don't see older generations until you beat the game. This diminished my interest in the games and made it boring real quick when you saw nothing you knew the name of.
Why does there need to be an older generation pokemon in the Main Story Line? A lot of this generation is all about new things and that just what the did with pokemon and the routes. Unova is far apart from the other regions so of course there won't be a multitude of other pokemon there.

5. Stat and move changes
Some of the older games moves and Pokemon stats have been changed, yes only one or two but this to me is just not right.
Out of anything I don't really see this an issue what so ever. So there stats change. As long as they are not nerfed or broken then it should all be fine.

Zelda January 23rd, 2011 6:25 PM

This seems to be a bit of a more pros/cons discussion so I've merged it with this.

Also we have the new Weekly Poll for changes if you want to discuss some of your thoughts there, and even vote. :)

anthonyrossbach January 23rd, 2011 8:07 PM

I am not a hater of the new games, but watching the first movie and playing Pokemon yellow for a while brings be back and when I compare to the new generation I feel sick to my stomach and fell it's overall a bad game. I am not a compleat hater but as a person who was into it since the first day I find it to big of a change for me. The message I made was for more the people who still follow in the first generation.

JERIICHO January 25th, 2011 8:33 AM

looks like a great game can't wait to play it hopefully it has a huge map
unlike most regions

tkallab January 25th, 2011 9:48 AM

Did anyone mention the con of Selfdestruct and Explosion no longer halving the opponent's defense? Because that's definitely a big big big con.

I've already taken a great liking for the new Pokémon. Now the leaked list of localised names is a bit worse. But I'll like that sonner or later too.

Zeph. January 25th, 2011 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by anthonyrossbach (Post 6414852)
I am not a hater of the new games, but watching the first movie and playing Pokemon yellow for a while brings be back and when I compare to the new generation I feel sick to my stomach and fell it's overall a bad game. I am not a compleat hater but as a person who was into it since the first day I find it to big of a change for me. The message I made was for more the people who still follow in the first generation.

I've been playing pokemon since the days of Red and Blue too. Just welcome this fresh approach to the franchise. It's not like they just forgot about any of the previous pokemon, they're still in the game after the E4. And what's this baffe about 'following in the first generation'? Can't you like gen 1 as well as the others at the same time?

Anyway, I love the new approach to these games. I'm really looking forward to using the new pokemon in the new surroundings :D A Buffalo with an affro is an epic win too.

Also, one question: is it true that you don't actually need HMs to progress through the story? Or am I horribly misinformed? ^^'

tkallab January 25th, 2011 12:50 PM

It's true, Zeph. Only Cut is needed, the rest is completely optional. I'm not sure wether this is good or bad... Of course, it's great that you don't always need to carry a HM slave with you, but it's breaking a massive tradition. Which is of course one of this game's functions, but still...

PlatinumDude January 25th, 2011 4:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tkallab (Post 6417555)
Did anyone mention the con of Selfdestruct and Explosion no longer halving the opponent's defense? Because that's definitely a big big big con.

I've already taken a great liking for the new Pokémon. Now the leaked list of localised names is a bit worse. But I'll like that sonner or later too.

Oh, I seriously hate the nerf of SelfDestruct/Explosion. Pokemon like Nattorei or Gigalith would've been happy if the Defense-lowering side effect of those moves stayed.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire January 25th, 2011 4:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PlatinumDude (Post 6418144)
Oh, I seriously hate the nerf of SelfDestruct/Explosion. Pokemon like Nattorei or Gigalith would've been happy if the Defense-lowering side effect of those moves stayed.

What Selfdestruct could lower the defense of the opponent before...wow that just shows how much I know about the move...
I like it how they made Petal dance more powerful :)

GlitchCity January 25th, 2011 4:49 PM

Just one that I wanted to share, Pro: Stronger trainers in this generation; Con: No trainer rematches :[

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire January 25th, 2011 4:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GlitchCity (Post 6418208)
Just one that I wanted to share, Pro: Stronger trainers in this generation; Con: No trainer rematches :[

What you mean not just gym leaders but trainers too :(?! Ah now that makes me sad...it's a con for me too...
Pro: Caitlin returning ^_^

ringoldgoindown January 27th, 2011 3:56 PM

Game BLK/WHT what could be better
 
I think that the game should have it like Heartgold/Soulsilver, where the pokemon can follow you.That would be better

Ho-Oh January 27th, 2011 4:01 PM

Pros and cons seems to cover this, because it appears to be a con for you~

SnowpointQuincy January 30th, 2011 7:33 PM

I was a little confused when I heard they don't have Walking Pokemon. But then i remembered that the camera is much diferent now, so they would need 650+ images of the pokemon, multiplied by every angle and motion. Hopefully we will gett walking pokemon latter.


There is no exuse for lack of Remaches. If you can do it once, just do it again.

Out of 650 pokemon, how am I suposed to find the 2 I actualy care about? (in Dream World)

WildAbra January 30th, 2011 8:45 PM

con: doryuzuu + t-tar combo is a hard to beat combo on wifi =( must I always run hitmontop or breloom?

Blue Trainer February 4th, 2011 2:20 AM

Personally I think the new Pokés are terrible artistically.

They are supposed to be wild creatures - so like others before me - I'm baffled on how natural evolution decided that a Garbage bag or Light Bulb or other man made shapes - were suitable for survival.

With Pokémon - the first 256 was fine. After that it just starts to get a bit desperate. I'm aware they are catering to a younger generation with the graphics - and that the metagame is still intact - but still - they could make the new characters appealing to kids as well as the older generation without resorting to lazy design ideas. Boo to you Gamefreak.

Blue Trainer

Tropical Sunlight February 4th, 2011 2:47 AM

Con: You can't choose a frame for your textbox :( I always did that.

blue February 4th, 2011 4:01 AM

Con: No VS. Seeker, there is the Tabunne method nontheless, which pretty much makes up for it if not better way to gain exp, still would have enjoyed the VS. seeker though.

Rayce February 7th, 2011 9:57 PM

Pros and Cons Discussion Thread
 
This will be a long list of complaints, some petty some big problems.
1. Monkeys. There are already a few and they weren't good in my opinion, they were mostly silly. What do they do? Add 6 more terrible ones...
2.Stage 2 pokemon(basic->stage one->stage two).19 more that means 57 out of 156 pokemon are part of a 3 stage evolution chain. There is only 27 stand alone pokemon and 36 stage 1 pokemon! GEEZ!
My math is wrong somewhere but that is close.
3. The sprites are not professional looking... It is very strange, but look at the spriting forums on this site and you'll find better
4.The ideas are weird. The ice cream one is absolutely terrible and you will never make be go against that
5."Cute" pokemon. You are playing a game about animal fighting but they keep making pokemon that are meant to be cute and cuddly?
6. The names. Throh, Timburr, Woobat and Swoobat? These took know real though, they are just giving fun names for little kids or something.
I'll do some more later but I need sleep right now

bwburke94 February 8th, 2011 11:03 AM

1. No Pikachu.
2. No Pikachu.
3. WTF no Pikachu?
4. Why no Pikachu?
5. Region locking on the DSi, though it won't affect me. And no Pikachu.

Rayce February 8th, 2011 6:58 PM

7. look at klink, klang, and klinklang(again terrible names). The evolution involves only adding more to the sprite. I know if anyone made a sprite like that on this site they'd be criticized about it.
8. Inadequate stage two pokemon. By stage two they should be pretty strong and very useful not only in stats but in appearance. Pokemon like Gothitelle, Reuniclus, and Vanilluxe(I cringe at the name) all look like they barely deserve basic statis.

MrGriszell February 9th, 2011 4:01 AM

I dont like how most of the awesome pokemon that are on my team werent avilable untill after my 5th gym battle

JakeG February 10th, 2011 5:45 AM

I have played Pokemon from the very first games and gotten nearly every game since then and other then a few cons I loved every single one of them heaps, even when I got to a teenager I still had love for Pokemon and always looked forward to every new Generation, now with so much con features/removals and the way Pokemon have turned out, I have given up Pokemon for good. SoulSilver was my last game and I guess a nice way to finish it off, I'm not paying for this game I am finally off Pokemon for good. Farewell.

solopy567 February 10th, 2011 7:52 AM

I DIG Sky Arrow Bridge and Hiun/Castelia City.

Such amazing locations!!!

fenyx4 February 17th, 2011 9:40 PM

Recently found two Pros and one Cons; really hoping the Cons lessen:

Pro: EV recalculation after the completion of each battle! Amazing! I always dreaded training Pokemon to Level 100 in Generation 3 because a Pokemon's EVs are basically set by that point. You can tinker with the EV-reducing Berries and the Vitamins, but you can't make up the EVs gained through actual training. But now they introduce this nifty feature, so EV-training is made even easier! MAJOR PRO, IMO, and I commend whoever implemented it in the programming. :cer_boogie:

Pro: A minor detail, but I love how the "Fists" are redesigned for BW:
http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/7/79/DynamicPunch_III.pnghttp://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/b/b4/DynamicPunch_IV.pnghttp://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/5/5d/DynamicPunch.png

In Generation 3, I loved the "gritty" feel of the fists, paws, and "chops/thrusts". I disliked how in Generation 4 they were given a more "digitized", blocky feel. The transition from paws to human feet for the kick attacks was even worse. Ick. In Generation 5, however, I'm glad that the fists and "chops/thrusts" have regained their rounded forms that are similar to the Generation 3 depictions, with a nice matte look to them now. I still hate that the kick attacks are still rendered as human feet as opposed to animal paws. T_T

Con: According to this thread, the concept of having all combatants' Pokemon shown to each other before the battle begins. This way, you know exactly what 6 Pokemon you have to deal with. Without this feature, you would have to be ready for 649 Pokemon at any given time. I think they should have made this feature optional, to please those who like surprises and to please those who dislike excessive guesswork in Pokemon battles.

Ibis February 18th, 2011 12:25 AM

After having so much fun with my SS and HG games (I particularly enjoy the Partner Pokemon following you around who you can talk to and interact with and I also really like the Pokewalker feature), I'm having a hard time accepting the changes in the Black and White games - namely, the loss of the Partner Pokemon and Pokewalker feature.

I'm sure I'll have fun with the new games - and maybe it's a little embarrassing to admit this - but out of the 540 hours I've already clocked into my SS game, a decent number of them were clocked by just running around with my Partner Pokemon and interacting with them. With that knowledge, I just know I will miss that feature in Black and White.

Pokemon Trainer Touko February 18th, 2011 1:28 AM

- N leaves forever after the final battle in his castle~ Why can't he stay~~?
- No VS seeker~
- Can't catch Pokemon from older generations unless National Pokedex is obtained~

The Scarlet Devil February 18th, 2011 3:24 AM

Pros: The music, I really feel like they've worked hard as the soundtrack is amazing, themes like Souryuu City, Elite 4 battle, Rival battle and the Battle Subway sountrack are amazing. Also I must be one of the few people who really likes the new Pokémon, none have particularly looked that bad for me.
The new EXP system, it makes it much easier to get a balanced team especially as you get a Lucky Egg quite early on.

Cons: The removal of the VS Seeker.
The removal of walking Pokémon, but it's nothing too major.

Zelda February 18th, 2011 3:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Cyndaqwil (Post 6462287)
Pros: The music, I really feel like they've worked hard as the soundtrack is amazing, themes like Souryuu City, Elite 4 battle, Rival battle and the Battle Subway sountrack are amazing. Also I must be one of the few people who really likes the new Pokémon, none have particularly looked that bad for me.
The new EXP system, it makes it much easier to get a balanced team especially as you get a Lucky Egg quite early on.

Cons: The removal of the VS Seeker.
The removal of walking Pokémon, but it's nothing too major.

Definitely disappointed they removed the VS Seeker. There are other ways to make money around now, but it was something I used often. Especially with the many trainers in B/W, the VS Seeker would have come in handy quite a bit of times for me. :(

Weavile05 February 18th, 2011 4:02 AM

Pros: I liked some pokemon's designs. A lot of the music is good. The new Exp. system (if you fall behind it's easier to catch back up).

Cons: Other pokemon's designs (they're either really good or terrible, not much in between). N's Music (It's my least favorite track. Not to say it's absolutely terrible, but...). Can't walk with pokemon. The new EXP system (If you get ahead, it's harder to stay ahead.)

Steven February 18th, 2011 6:21 AM

Everyone whining about how the Pokemon look are all people who just saw them for the first time.

Eventually, they will grow on you. They always do. People always whine about the Pokemon at first, I find it quite annoying actually. Then they love them after 2 weeks. :/

The Pokemon are creative, they look nice. For the most part. The region is diverse. The new features are fun, and actually make you want to the play the game after you beat the E4. In my opinion, the 5th generation games are the best so far.

fenyx4 February 20th, 2011 1:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Landorus (Post 6462453)
Everyone whining about how the Pokemon look are all people who just saw them for the first time.

Eventually, they will grow on you. They always do. People always whine about the Pokemon at first, I find it quite annoying actually. Then they love them after 2 weeks. :/

While designs tend to grow on people after a while, it is not a definite occurrence. Months later I'm still having reserves about Daikenki's design. Maggyo looks as herpderp-ishly annoying as the first day I saw it, and Daikenki's design is just...garbage. >_> Crimgan's color scheme has been bothering me for quite a while, as well. I still cringe when I see Probopass at times, and I've had years to get used to its design/concept.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cyndaqwil (Post 6462287)
The new EXP system, it makes it much easier to get a balanced team especially as you get a Lucky Egg quite early on.

Cons: The removal of the VS Seeker.
The removal of walking Pokémon, but it's nothing too major.

Well, it's nice to hear that a Lucky Egg is obtained early - or even obtained at all! Getting one in FireRed is nearly hopeless due to Chansey's chance of fleeing in the Safari Zone, unfavorable catch rate and the difficulty involved, and the 5% chance of a Lucky Egg actually being held by the Chansey. At least in DPPt, it doesn't have a chance of fleeing, so Generation 4 eases things slightly.

The removal of the VS Seeker is somewhat troublesome... If being produced, I wish Gray Version and the RS remakes have much more reliable methods of training than the player monotonously challenging the Elite 4 and the Champion repeatedly.

Furthermore, yet another Con with BW: Glass Flutes relegated to "valuable items"! (i.e., Nuggets and Pearls only usable for sales). Seriously, WTF, Game Freak? If you're going to bother coding them into the game, why not let them retain their original abilities? (If it's for Awakening and similar items being buyable, just make the Glass Flutes rare!) It almost feels like an insult to Generation 3's glass-making system, and I am really wondering how RS remakes will fare with all of BW's horrendous flaws potentially affecting the remakes.

Chadlington February 20th, 2011 10:01 PM

I dont like that there is no new Eevee evo. This has been the way through all generations so far. Except G3 i tink. I was hoping for a ghost type called Mysteon or a Flying type called Soareon or something. Disapointed.

I also dont like that apparently you wont be able to use any older gen pokemon until you finish the game. NO EEVEE! whats going on!!! Devastated...

ChimeraReiax February 24th, 2011 6:23 PM

Taking away the game corner indefinitely. I miss that little gem :c

Also, HGSS' pokemon following you shouldn't have been a one-time thing :<

Palkia February 25th, 2011 1:30 AM

Pro: That TM's can be reused.

Con: You can use the new Pokemon pre-national dex but everything else is nowhere to be seen.

Barn February 25th, 2011 9:20 AM

Con: We've noticed that each new game sort of has "mascot" other than the one that's literally on the game cover. They're usually one of the first Pokemon seen - in 2007-8 it was Riolu and Lucario, and now it's Zorua and Zoroark. Riolu was obtainable in DPPt, even if in one egg, but now Zorua is an event Pokemon. What if you can't access Wifi on your DS? :/

trevman727 February 26th, 2011 6:36 PM

I love the new TM feature. I hated doing Voltorb flip for coins...

skyluigi2 February 28th, 2011 11:57 AM

The C-Gear.
I don't get it... Apart from the communication aspect, what's the point?
I'd much prefer a Pokenav, Pokegear, or even a Poketch.
Seriously.
Oh, and the lack of a VS Seeker.

Quote:

Originally Posted by fenyx4 (Post 6466679)
Furthermore, yet another Con with BW: Glass Flutes relegated to "valuable items"! (i.e., Nuggets and Pearls only usable for sales). Seriously, WTF, Game Freak? If you're going to bother coding them into the game, why not let them retain their original abilities? (If it's for Awakening and similar items being buyable, just make the Glass Flutes rare!) It almost feels like an insult to Generation 3's glass-making system, and I am really wondering how RS remakes will fare with all of BW's horrendous flaws potentially affecting the remakes.

This... ^
REALLY. WHY. GAME. FREAK.
In Gen 3 these were possibly the most useful 5 items. In Gen 3, you didn't need Full Heals if you had these! Whether they snapped a Pokemon out of confusion, or awakened them, or even made wild Pokemon less or more likely to appear, they always came in handy. So, why on earth have they now been turned into just valuable items?! It just really annoys me. They've got rid of most of the good things (like these, vs seeker etc.). I just want to know why.
WHY, GAME FREAK? WHY!?

Also, I'm sad about the removal of your Pokemon walking behind you. My Snorlax was the only thing that kept me from riding everywhere on a bike. But I suppose I'll be on my bike again for most of Black and White. Just like some things were introduced just for Leafgreen and Firered, it seems this was a one off two. It's a shame.

Yet another con (that will probably not even matter :P)
The region looks tiny compared to others. And don't you need only 1 HM to complete the story?
And haven't secret bases been removed for the Dream World?

Anyway, Pros.
Well, I like most of the new Pokemon for a start. :D
And I think the re-usable TMs are good. (Even if they do make the game easier. And we'll not be seeing any "TMs break after one use, so use them wisely!" speeches this time around xD)

So... yeah.
And despite all the cons, I still can't wait until next week! :D

-Totodile42

bwburke94 February 28th, 2011 2:47 PM

I hate the endless remixes of the trainer battle theme. (Seriously. There's like ten of them. The only good ones are the original and subway trainer.) Oh, and I almost forgot: NO PIKACHU!

Mr. L February 28th, 2011 6:01 PM

Yet another Fire/Fighting type starter.
No old Pokemon.
VGC 2011 only allows Gen V Pokemon.

...an Ice Cream cone Pokemon, seriously?

ChimeraReiax February 28th, 2011 6:22 PM

I like the new animation system they gave the pokemon, but some of them are just weird. I see a pattern: repeat animation 3-6 times, play different animation once or twice, repeat. I mean yes, it's a start, and they had to make animations for every single Pokemon and their back sprites, but... Eh, some just look weird. For others it works, but for some... They just ending up looking stupider.

CptSwaggerPants February 28th, 2011 7:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calder (Post 6159429)
Pokemon just lost alot of its buyers... I just can't say how let down I am... New York setting is the only thing besides the storyline I liked... Everything else can go away... Someone hacks B/W and replaces these god awful looking piles of garbage (literally) with older Pokemon and I'll play that...

I doubt they lost as many as you think they did.

If you're a true Pokemon fan, I don't see why you all are complaining so much about how the Pokemon look. They'll probably grow on you sooner or later anyway.

I have been playing since Blue and Red and there has never been a Pokemon I disliked.

I am so over-joyed at the new game I can't wait! All the Pokemon and the places look amazing.

インフェルノの津波 February 28th, 2011 7:17 PM

It's true that Black and White will probably never reach to the sheer amount of buyers of Red and Blue (Black and White sold 2.63 million, whereas Red, Blue and Green has over 10 million, both on opening, in Japan.), but you can't deny Black and White shall be a big hit, and Gamefreak is constantly gaining new buyers, so please shut up about it not going to sell well, or Gamefreak is losing buers as you obviously don't know what you're talking about.

The only con in this generation is the choice of sprites. Who in God's name was in charge of telling the spriters to use D/P sprites, arguably the worst sprites of Gen 4. My God Gamefreak, why?

ChimeraReiax February 28th, 2011 7:23 PM

Although I do like some of DPPt's sprites (Platinum's trumps DP however), I kind of have to agree with you. Some sprites were poorly done.

Some of the newer sprites are actually pretty appealing, however. :)

MrGriszell March 1st, 2011 12:29 AM

i just wishes i had people beside the eliet four and rivals to rebattle

bwburke94 March 1st, 2011 5:26 PM

In terms of DP sprites, they're not any worse than the others. The others are just newer.

gregory_turner420 March 1st, 2011 5:30 PM

i dont like the pokemon musical. it needs to die


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