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Pwnyta Jockey March 31st, 2011 1:19 AM

Con:

trading in the Union Room seems flawed. which sucks.
I tend to have to walk in, walk out, try agin to be able to connect.
Sometimes get kicked off server (maybe).
And that Error code. Zelda much, Game Freak?

AusGut March 31st, 2011 2:01 AM

I loved this game! I do think there are some cons to it though.

Pros:
  • A lot to do!
  • Towns and landscapes are amazing
  • An increase in amount of trainers
  • New awesome moves
  • N is not you stereotypical take over the world villain
  • HMs dont require GYM victories, thank god! why do i have to beat a normal type gym in order to have the ability to swim across water? (Hoenn)
  • Re-useable TMs
  • Lucky Egg, made training my pokemon so much easier
  • Day care early in the game
  • Slight difference in elite four (non spoiler)
  • All the after game exploration

Cons:
  • Most of the Pokemon designs are terrible, I had to decide my team before playing it rather then making it as i was playing
  • Pixalated Pokemon during battles, why wouldnt u design them zoomed in rather then before the camera zooms into the battle
  • Some gyms were terribly easy, the third, sixth and seventh were all finished in 3 moves
  • Personal: All my choices for my team were not available early on, my second pokemon was blitzle and i didnt get my third, sandile, until route 4
  • TOO MUCH AUDINO! my god it gets to the point were every ground shaking spot is 80% Audino and 5% for emolga, etc, I HAVE ALREADY CAUGHT THIS THING!
  • Rivals are too weak, again...
  • Evil Organisation....again.... and too weak

Thats just what i can think off the top of my head atm.

fenyx4 April 14th, 2011 2:07 AM

Con: Apparently, the bag has thrown Poke Balls into the Items pocket. I know it's minor, but I just preferred having the Poke Balls in their own pocket... :\ If BW had a Poke Balls pocket, then I would prefer that its system of Bag organization be the standard for future Pokemon games, though implementing the interface that HGSS introduced as well.

Blaziquaza April 14th, 2011 2:35 AM

A pro and a con:
The DW absolutely BREAKS the metagame.
As soon as Hoenn starters are released in the DW, Speed Boost Blaziken
<3<3

beanzy100000 April 14th, 2011 3:02 AM

how oshawott has 2 legs and 2 arms then suddenly in it's third evolution it's arms turn into legs!

Elite Overlord LeSabre™ April 14th, 2011 5:20 AM

Cons:
*The huge level jump in the post-game
*The new exp system makes it hard to level grind so I'm my usual 5 levels higher than gym leaders
*Gym leaders haven't figured out they can use more than three Pokemon
*No Vs Seeker or gym leader rematches
*I hate the new bag system where newly collected items go at the top of the bag's list
*Some trainer designs are awful.

PlatinumDude April 14th, 2011 2:10 PM

If you're an EV trainer like me, then the lack of places to EV train in Special Attack in the beginning of Black is very disappointing (you do battle the occasional Petilil), and you won't get to the most reliable source of Special Attack EVs (Celestial Tower) until mid-game.

giles863 April 14th, 2011 2:18 PM

I hate the fact that all the Pokemon are new and it's difficult to know what types your enemy has in battle...:pokeball:

Skapocalypse April 14th, 2011 2:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by giles863 (Post 6578216)
I hate the fact that all the Pokemon are new and it's difficult to know what types your enemy has in battle...:pokeball:

I thought that was a great addition to the games. It kept me on my toes, and made me think about most of the moves i made.

AusDon April 14th, 2011 3:11 PM

I don't like the American designed pokemon, like Vanillite and Golett/Golurk.

I mean, Golett/Golurk has square eyes... what.

Geras April 14th, 2011 3:23 PM

I thought these games were a great step up from the fourth generation. I see far too many people complaining here about weak gym leaders and whatnot, since that kind of thing depends on your playing style (no, i don't mean battle style). Also, I think i'm the only one who enjoyed the level jump post-game. It feels good when you have to strategize against something 20 levels higher.

Pros:
-Music was much better than DPPt
-Everything felt new for the most part. Refreshing like the 2nd-3rd gen jump
-Improved graphics and faster trades/item usage/battles
-Attention to small details (eyes closing when asleep)
-Gym leaders being more than just people who stand in one place waiting to be beaten
-Great storyline, unless you absolutely cannot in use "Pokemon" and "deep" in the same sentence
-Improved rivals (Barry was sort of annoying, and do I seriously have to explain what was wrong with the gen 3 "rivals"?)

Cons:
-Ugly pokemon. Trubbish family and Vanillite family among the worst.
-No berries!?
-No rematches other than Nimbasa stadiums
-Blown up back sprites
-Too few triple/rotation battles in-game
-Team plasma grunt battles...
-Somewhat short (no, I didn't rush through the game in like 10 hours)
-The C-gear didn't do much. At all.

Nakuzami April 14th, 2011 3:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Geras32 (Post 6578356)
I thought these games were a great step up from the fourth generation. I see far too many people complaining here about weak gym leaders and whatnot, since that kind of thing depends on your playing style (no, i don't mean battle style). Also, I think i'm the only one who enjoyed the level jump post-game. It feels good when you have to strategize against something 20 levels higher.

Pros:
-Music was much better than DPPt
-Everything felt new for the most part. Refreshing like the 2nd-3rd gen jump
-Improved graphics and faster trades/item usage/battles
-Attention to small details (eyes closing when asleep) - <3 Thank you :3
-Gym leaders being more than just people who stand in one place waiting to be beaten
-Great storyline, unless you absolutely cannot in use "Pokemon" and "deep" in the same sentence
-Improved rivals (Barry was sort of annoying, and do I seriously have to explain what was wrong with the gen 3 "rivals"?)

Cons:
-Ugly pokemon. Trubbish family and Vanillite family among the worst.
^Pro: Pokemon were absolutely amazing, for the most part.
-No berries!? - Eh, wasn't much of a problem. Don't use berries anyway.
-No rematches other than Nimbasa stadiums - Not true. There are maaaaaaaany rematches. For example: You can fight Cheren every day post-game.
-Blown up back sprites
-Too few triple/rotation battles in-game
-Team plasma grunt battles... - Hey, we have to deal with them whether we like it or not. No rest for the wicked ;P
-Somewhat short (no, I didn't rush through the game in like 10 hours) - Slightly, but really only compared to HGSS.
-The C-gear didn't do much. At all. - Well, not much for the storyline, but it does do quite a bit ;P

I agree with most of that, among other things I don't feel like adding ;P
I put little comments of my own in bold.
These games are an enormous step up from all past pokemon games, in my opinion ;P

Ho-Oh April 16th, 2011 5:02 AM

One pro is that Pokemon Musicals are amazing. One con of it is that it's annoying to select items for the Pokemon Musicals. Maybe if it were sorted differently in some different sort of row selecting the pros wouldn't drive me crazy as much.

The 100 Mega Shock April 16th, 2011 5:12 AM

Game Freak still put awful work into overworld sprites (What is up with people holding their arms out to their sides?) and can't animate them to save their lives - nice incredibly stiff walking animations. They also love to regress in almost every aspect of the UI and other good features in every game with no excuse (lol nobody liked all that useful pokétch stuff right guys). Meanwhile all they have to show for it is half a storyline (as opposed to one that was nigh non-existent as before) and better 3D assets.

vagrantwanderer April 16th, 2011 7:25 PM

No buddies following you
 
I know this topic has already been discussed, but It still annoys me that they cut this from the game. I would much rather they kept letting us have our pokemon follow us and instead cut some content from the dress up games. I know that some people must like the dress up, but lets be honest: Letting you walk your pokemon all around the region was one of the most interesting innovations they made in the last three generations. Really, this is why I like HG/SS more.

Kenshin5 April 16th, 2011 7:32 PM

This innovation wasn't made in the last three generations. If you remember Pikachu followed the Red around in Yellow. Yes Follow Me feature is more entertaining imo then Musicals, but it is what it is. Other things like Contests are gone as well, the only think you could do is hope they return this feature in previous games, or write a letter to Gamefreak saying how much you like it and would urge them to reinstate it in future games(although I doubt it would accomplish anything).

Kyoto April 16th, 2011 7:58 PM

I was like "Woot!" following in black when I was getting it! /fail

I do wish that they would have put it into this game also, but I can live without it.

Ho-Oh April 16th, 2011 8:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vagrantwanderer (Post 6582744)
I know this topic has already been discussed, but It still annoys me that they cut this from the game. I would much rather they kept letting us have our pokemon follow us and instead cut some content from the dress up games. I know that some people must like the dress up, but lets be honest: Letting you walk your pokemon all around the region was one of the most interesting innovations they made in the last three generations. Really, this is why I like HG/SS more.

This seems to be a con for you, (and we already have the thread where people are mentioning that they miss it, when listing the ones that they'd like to follow them here). And there's also the fact you're bringing in Musicals, which is a different thing altogether. :( Plus, pros/cons is a discussion, which unlike a thread devoted to it, allows users to expand on why they miss it rather than "yes I miss it", as the future replies are likely to follow this pattern.

BattleBeard April 18th, 2011 6:27 AM

Been playing Black for the first time, the music
 
I just finished that tower with the graves--beautiful Mother 3-esque music...

I love the game so far, but what did you think first time you heard the music in the game?

johnny18 April 18th, 2011 7:09 AM

The music is epic so far ^_^

Rionix April 18th, 2011 7:40 AM

i pretty much love the game because of the music too :)

Ho-Oh April 18th, 2011 7:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BattleBeard (Post 6586386)
I just finished that tower with the graves--beautiful Mother 3-esque music...

I love the game so far, but what did you think first time you heard the music in the game?

It's good that you like the music, but this is turning into a thread where everyone agrees it's good - so I merged with pros/cons, because it's a pro for you. If you'd like to post about your favourite tracks when it comes to the music, post about that here. :)

Speed April 18th, 2011 8:12 AM

The lag gets on my nerves sometimes, and the high encounter rates are annoying too. This is the first game I actually have to use repels in.

Buggyo April 18th, 2011 9:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Speed (Post 6586602)
The lag gets on my nerves sometimes, and the high encounter rates are annoying too. This is the first game I actually have to use repels in.

I was really disappointed by the lag as well. :|
As for the encounter rate, I have found that actually walking helps a lot. I'm just so used to running without consequence that I've used way too many repels. :P

NamelessGuy April 18th, 2011 9:11 AM

Let's put it this way: I don't think I've ever had to buy thirty Max Repels to get through a cave in my entire life...


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