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bwburke94 September 17th, 2010 2:38 PM

Not enough space in the PC. 720 spaces - 649 mons = 71 spare slots for my NU team, assuming I have UU variations of those mons as well. There will be more than 71 mons in NU.

PlatinumDude September 17th, 2010 3:49 PM

-Cool graphics
-The Dream World (hello Speed Boost Blaziken)
-The starters
-The Elite 4
-Pokemon with insanely high base stats

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 17th, 2010 4:04 PM

-Cynthia
- The legends
-Dive as a Hm again :D
- The city graphics :)
- and all the DP remake hints they have given us for gen 6 :P

King Gumball September 17th, 2010 4:50 PM

The graphics
Cynthia coming back
Caitlin being an E4 member
99% of the pokemon
Seasons
The E4 typing
The game title
Finally a Man-O-War pokemon
Pokemon Musicals!!
The larger cities.

GoldvsRed September 17th, 2010 5:15 PM

I could go on and on about how I love pretty much every aspect of this game, but all I have to say is this: the Champion's battle theme. Holy Shiftry, that was awesome.

King Gumball September 17th, 2010 5:50 PM

If I buy B/W from the USA and use it on an Australian DSi will it work? Because the Japanese games do not work on American DSi only on American DS.

Butterfree-Charizard September 17th, 2010 5:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shinjiro (Post 6161122)
Its not the game that I don't like (I love BW and the Gameplay). Its the most Pokemon that I don't like. Though there's only a certain Pokemon I like. But many I don't like. I mean look at these!
http://pokebeach.com/news/0910/black-white/new-pokemon/isshu-pokemon-154.jpghttp://pokebeach.com/news/0910/black-white/new-pokemon/isshu-pokemon-153.jpghttp://pokebeach.com/news/0910/black-white/new-pokemon/isshu-pokemon-104.jpghttp://pokebeach.com/news/0910/black-white/new-pokemon/isshu-pokemon-90.jpghttp://pokebeach.com/news/0910/black-white/new-pokemon/isshu-pokemon-75.jpghttp://pokebeach.com/news/0910/black-white/new-pokemon/isshu-pokemon-135.jpghttp://pokebeach.com/news/0910/black-white/new-pokemon/isshu-pokemon-136.jpg
For god sake! I would prefer those guys on Deviant Art to make the Pokemon than those freaks! I have a bunch of talented watcher/friends there which they're more talented and smarter to make a Pokemon (Fakemon).

I agree its like its not even pokemon anymore.

Alaskan Husky September 17th, 2010 5:56 PM

- Gigigear
- Chillarmy evo
- There are about seven or eight new Pokemon on my "hate" list (GroundGhost2, Water tadpole, Gigigear, Chillarmy evo, Gigear, Nageki, Dageki). Up until now, there have been only two.

Heck, I can deal with everything else, to be honest.

Hamilton September 17th, 2010 5:59 PM

well, i change my mind
i haven't run into any problems other than language barrier and so far i can't complain :)
seriously, once i started playing, i stopped being skeptical

King Gumball September 17th, 2010 6:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hamilton (Post 6162442)
well, i change my mind
i haven't run into any problems other than language barrier and so far i can't complain :)
seriously, once i started playing, i stopped being skeptical

So do you know if the American game would work on an Australian bought DSi?

sirboulevard September 17th, 2010 6:32 PM

How about everything. I live in nostalgia land, ill admit it. Game Freak turned this up to 11 and now im feeling emotions I cannot express on this forum. Black & White have toppled GSC.

Zelda September 17th, 2010 7:10 PM

Merged "The Best of B/W" here since it seems reasonable enough to have this as one pros and cons discussion thread. Also, edited the first post to match the added topic. :)

Maxite September 17th, 2010 7:27 PM

Pros:
I haven't been this excited about Pokemon since Diamond and Pearl came out.
If you're a Dark-type fan (of which I'm one of, behind Dragon), this generation will treat you kindly.
Lots of new and unique type pairings. First pure-Dragon final evos. First pure Flying type.

Meh:

Some Pokemon designs are bad. I'm not one to say "This doesn't look like a Pokemon!", but three of the legendaries that look like genies riding on clouds look almost identical.

Cons:
Only 156 Pokemon in the Isshu Dex? Short Dexes rarely do good things, especially when 10% of the Pokemon in the Isshu dex are either Event or Legendary Pokemon.
I haven't played the game yet (will be soon, so opinion is subject to change) but the region seems awfully small. Maybe the maps that I've seen are just highly deceptive, and the region is actually quite vast.





That's my thoughts so far. I'm sure as more details come out, I'll have more praises and scorns for the series.

Livewire September 17th, 2010 7:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sirboulevard (Post 6162551)
How about everything. I live in nostalgia land, ill admit it. Game Freak turned this up to 11 and now im feeling emotions I cannot express on this forum. Black & White have toppled GSC.

I didnt think it possible either, but i agree. Game freak just laid down a royal flush with B&W. They brought the house down. B&W will be considered the best Pokemon games we have, just watch.

Fushigidane-Chan September 17th, 2010 8:03 PM

Cons:
-Gym Leaders and Elite Four are done horribly
-PokeDex is too small
-No Battle Frontier
-No post-E4 location with old Pokemon
-Isshu is too linear
-Gym Leaders no longer have animations
-Final starter evolutions are awful
-No Gym Leader rematches

Planetes. September 17th, 2010 8:07 PM

CONS
-Gym Leaders and E4 Are way too weak-unless you can't heal between them
-Tons of the Pokemons are derp
-No prevos/evos of old pokemon
-Plasma's story went from cool to derp
-only 8 routes
-rushed, didn't live up to the hype
-pseudo-legend was wasted horribly and a lot of legends were too
-laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaame champion

PROS
Unique Concepts
New Take on Pokemon
Lots of new features
Good starters
Cool Gym Designs
good typing for pokemon
two rivals

JP September 17th, 2010 8:14 PM

Can anyone confirm if
Spoiler:
battling Kanto Champion Blue is possible?

Because if thats the case, I'm so adding that to my Pros list haha.

And what the hell? There's no Gym Leader animations? That's so very disappointing. It's something pretty basic now, for them to remove it is saddening. Hopefully they rectify this with the third game.

fenyx4 September 17th, 2010 8:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fushigidane-Chan (Post 6162707)
Cons:
-Gym Leaders and Elite Four are done horribly
-PokeDex is too small
-No Battle Frontier
-No post-E4 location with old Pokemon
-Isshu is too linear
-Gym Leaders no longer have animations
-Final starter evolutions are awful
-No Gym Leader rematches

OK, the lack of Gym Leader rematches is inexcusable. All that does is severely detract replay value.


Removing animations from Gym Leaders seems like a step backwards. You'd think both Pokemon and Pokemon League members could be animated... Old Pokemon could at least be added in a Safari Zone similar to Emerald's expansion...

The lack of a Battle Frontier I kind of expected, but it is still a let-down... Is there a Battle Tower at least?

DAIKENKI
is still my primary "Con" until Sugimori artwork is revealed...hopefully that can rectify the situation...

I really hope "Pokemon Gray Version" will be worth the wait, considering all of these Cons mentioned so far. :\


When the designers mentioned they wanted to "break" some parts of past Pokemon games, I think they broke a bit too much. "A bit" may be an understatement, unfortunately...
And is the Follow-Me feature from HGSS still in there?

JP September 17th, 2010 8:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fenyx4 (Post 6162735)
OK, the lack of Gym Leader rematches is inexcusable. All that does is severely detract replay value.


Removing animations from Gym Leaders seems like a step backwards. You'd think both Pokemon and Pokemon League members could be animated... Old Pokemon could at least be added in a Safari Zone similar to Emerald's expansion...

The lack of a Battle Frontier I kind of expected, but it is still a let-down... Is there a Battle Tower at least?

I really hope "Pokemon Gray Version" will be worth the wait, considering all of these Cons mentioned so far...



And is the Follow-Me feature from HGSS still in there?

Pretty sure there's no Follow-Me feature. Though, no Gym Leader rematches is odd... has this actually been confirmed? I'm very disappointed by the lack of animations for the leaders, but no rematches either? Yikes.

Fushigidane-Chan September 17th, 2010 8:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JP (Post 6162725)
Can anyone confirm if
Spoiler:
battling Kanto Champion Blue is possible?

Well, his theme is there, but there's no confirmation on whether he appears or not. Personally? I doubt it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by fenyx4 (Post 6162735)
Is there a Battle Tower at least?

There is the Battle Subway, which is essentially, and for all intents and purposes, the same thing.

Quote:

And is the Follow-Me feature from HGSS still in there?
No, unfortunately. :/

Quote:

Originally Posted by JP (Post 6162747)
Though, no Gym Leader rematches is odd... has this actually been confirmed?

The game was hacked, and while E4 rematch teams were found, Gym Leader rematch teams weren't. It was sort of expected they'd save that for the third version, though.

fenyx4 September 17th, 2010 8:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JP (Post 6162747)
Pretty sure there's no Follow-Me feature. Though, no Gym Leader rematches is odd... has this actually been confirmed? I'm very disappointed by the lack of animations for the leaders, but no rematches either? Yikes.

If the Follow-Me feature really isn't returning, that seems like a waste. One of HGSS's enjoyed hooks, and Game Freak just axes it like that? I'm surprised that Game Freak would let 986 overworld Pokemon sprites go to waste like that, though... Why are BW taking so many steps backward...? I don't even have the game yet, and already I'm feeling what some people felt during Gen III (i.e., disappointment in removal of GSC's overworld time feature)

The sad thing is that I heard the games took at least 4 years to develop due to the High Link feature.'s programming...I'm a bit perplexed as to why other little features were removed during that time span...

JP September 17th, 2010 8:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fushigidane-Chan (Post 6162765)
Well, his theme is there, but there's no confirmation on whether he appears or not. Personally? I doubt it.


The game was hacked, and while E4 rematch teams were found, Gym Leader rematch teams weren't. It was sort of expected they'd save that for the third version, though.

It's odd they would have his theme but not him to battle though. I really would like to believe he makes an appearance.

As for the rematches, that's pretty sad. Though yeah, I suppose it should have been expected. At least we have the Battle Subway and E4 rematches. :D

Maxite September 17th, 2010 8:33 PM

Eh? Lack of serious aftergame doesn't bother me terribly, as I usually get bored once I beat the Elite Four. Still, I would list that as a terrible con.

fenyx4 September 17th, 2010 8:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JP (Post 6162770)
It's odd they would have his theme but not him to battle though. I really would like to believe he makes an appearance.

As for the rematches, that's pretty sad. Though yeah, I suppose it should have been expected. At least we have the Battle Subway and E4 rematches. :D

Those were the reasons I decided to get Emerald after losing 2 Sapphire carts previously... The Elite 4 gets monotonous after a while when you have a fully Level 100 team, and just one "Battle Tower" mode gets really frustrating when you can't beat it.

I assume no Pokeathlon is present, either... I would've liked to see it expanded upon in Generation V, in tandem with Pokemon Contests.

ManhattanTheStarr September 17th, 2010 8:38 PM

Jeez... is B/W really that con....y? (failword) xB
Looks like the games aren't living up to their hype... But I'm positive that they'll add some things like Gym rematches in the 3rd installment. They probably took steps backwards, to make the eventual 3rd installment seem better than B/W. Pretty dumb, tbh. =/


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