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Nintendo Taking action?
We just got a letter from Nintendo (edited to remove personal info obviously) asking to take down all of our Black and White images or bad stuff will happen. I called the lawyer who sent the letter and he said he'll be making the rounds on other Pokemon sites as well and that they're doing an investigation. I was first on their list. I'm about to go out while Bangiras plays the game due to a family emergency but I have 24 hours to remove the images. Joy! Anyways, we'll continue to play the game and report what we find like we've been doing. Oh and the lawyer said he likes my site. :p
From Pokebeach.com So what do you guys think of this-all our bw information could dissapear, I don't condone anything illegal but I suggest we gather as much info as we can find before it all is gone until far later. Oh yes if you go to pokebeach you can view the letter |
Well it's all wrong really, if we keep this up Game Freak will eventually go bankrupt and we will have no more Pokemon :(
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Well the same thing happened for the Manga sites I guess now it's the Pokemon companies 0_0...it's odd because I had a thought of what would happen if game freak was like the Mangaka writers and now it has come true 0_0...
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Judging by the actual letter, there a quite a handful of grammar mistakes which makes me think that this may be a hoax, either from Pokébeach (a prank) or someone else. In the letter, the address to Pokébach is coloured cyan, but no hyperlink is given. Why would a letter, if it was written, be in blue, and why would an e-mail from a seemingly professional company be weird and just colour it. Also, you don't start a letter with "Dear Sir or Madam:", but with "Dear Sir or Madam,". I would imagine NoA to be a lot more professional than this.
So yeah, I think this is a hoax. If it's true, than that means PC is gonna be spotted soon and all us ROM Hackers are gonna be screwed...yeah, I doubt this. |
Well they can't really stop us it's like LP's or Fan art (or even Rule 34 O_O) I mean hey that's the internet for you.
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Why would they target us? Pokécommunity is a fan site and we already stated that the images,characters and such belong to Pokémon and Nintendo.
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Seems odd..
I believe from a legal standpoint, its because technically the game isn't available outside Japan yet, so most of the information will have come from those using Roms, hence why Nintendo is stepping down on it. |
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GUYS! The purpose of showing you this wasn't THERE COMING FOR PC OMG OMG OMG, it was to show you that all of our info could be taken down. Yikes.
Now lets get back on the ON-TOPIC train here. |
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I think to be honest, serebii would be more famous for info than PC.
Im gonna monitor Serebii as an early warning. IF this isnt a hoax, i suggest making a document with all the pictures and info on and saving, then uploading onto a filesharing site, and posting in a seemingly unlikely topic in Current generation gaming . That said, Nintendo would NOT want to get into a legal battle with the internet before the release of one of its major games. |
Well, i'm always on /tr/ so there is nothing they can do about it lol
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I could not agree more with this post. I noticed the errors also. I may not be an English Major, but if you're going to represent a company then you should know how to write a letter. And like others have said "why are they doing this now?" This is what I want to know too. Sure I only began checking these pokemon sites after HG/SS came out, but serebii and pokebeach and etc., have been posting information since early this year! Why now? Not to mention most of these people have the go ahead to post information. Or at least leaked information. I remember someone on this forum saying that serebii was allowed to leak so and so much before the game was out. I believe this to be some malicious person who has nothing better to do with their time than to fake their entire identity just to troll a few good people. :/ |
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It IS real. Serebii has stripped his site of all B/W images.
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The info is everywhere they can't really stop it. There is info even on non pokemon sites.
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I leave to take a nap and then this all happens. -facepalms-
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This is pretty stupid, getting to see areas and features from the game on sites like Serebii, makes the long waits for the games to be released in the West a bit more bearable, and also makes us want to buy the games even more, the only reason for them to want to stop this is if they are embarrassed by what they have made, because if it was any other reason they would have stepped forward long before now to say something.
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I seriously hope that this letter is fake. I would be really really upset if serebii.net got shut down due to copyright infringment. Butthurt lawyers.
But all in all, I expect this to blow over pretty soon. |
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Likely, this will continue with all Nintendo franchises for a while, especially so close to the 3DS release. |
serebii wont get shut down.
Admin there is still making a diary of events in the game. the only reason i can see for this timing is strict internet laws in japan, ence them being oblivious to the commotion theyre causing. othewise im lost for words. |
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If I went up to someone buying a can of soup and told them that that can, and only that can, had one extra ingredient - Cyaninde - so, unless they feel like dying that night, they should pick a different can, they do so, and don't die, would you say that proves that the first can actually had Cyanide? The eating Cyanide (and subsequently dying) in my example is just like leaving up the information and dealing with the legal consequences. The action of switching cans is just like the action of taking down the information. The not dying is just like not having any legal repercussions. Serebii is acting under no assumptions other than it could be true. In other words, what happened was because of a "just in case" type of mindset. Also, I'd like to point out that it being real and him taking down the stuff is essentially equivalent to it being fake and him taking it down, as, in both cases, no legal repercussions ensue. I love how I wrote out 5 paragraphs in response to a 12 word post, and didn't even mention how I personally feel about the topic. |
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The first isn't truly a reason, but they own the series, so they can do what they want. End of. The main reason, however, I believe, is the same thing that most of their decisions are made for - money. Most people who visit Pokemon sites were planning on buying it to begin with. How many people would go from not really wanting to buy to a "OMG! Best game ever!! Must get!" mindset because of some screenshots, as compared to people who weren't really planning on it, but might have, and seeing it and deciding they hate it and decide not to buy it, even if they would've liked it if they'd tried it. I really could've phrased that better. Indeed, I'd be hard pressed to find a worse way to phrase it. However, with any luck, my point was still conveyed. |
Couple errors here and there in the "official document" like others have stated. I also noticed that whoever wrote it pressed enter completely unnecessarily after every line o.O
Anyway, I hope this is a hoax. The letter just doesn't seem official... Off topic: Holy crud my new sig is long. better put it in spoilers |
Serebii got the letter so Joe had to take down the images too.
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Hey guys, stop overreacting.
If this is all real, is it really that unreasonable for Nintendo to request this of the major Pokemon fansites? Legally, they are in the right. They own the copyright to the Pokemon franchise and all the characters and settings thereof. At least they're giving the sites a chance to stay up by taking images down instead of just closing the website completely. >_> |
Hopefully this is bull and Serebii is just re-upping the pokedex with clearer images. Lol Nintendo, y u stab me? >_<
Also, *hides ice-cream cone in sig* >_> <_< >_> |
What's this? Am I smelling BS here? Oh...! Yes, I think I am. My BS-detecting nose sensors are going off!
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a231/Dark_Espeon/Fun-Pix/548749-20090831140449.jpg "HI!!! I'M AN OFFICIAL PERSON WHO DOES OFFICIAL THINGS AND I ORDER YOU TO TAKE DOWN YOUR IMAGES!!! BECAUSE I SAY SO OFFICIALLY!!!" (the point of this lolpic being, just because Sarah Palin is a political figure with some form of status does not mean the BS that comes out of her mouth has to be taken as factz) lolno. I can't believe people fell for this. I don't give a damn who you here, but if you're gonna send me a SERIOUS BUSINESS letter or email, it had damn better be in flawless English or flawless French or I won't take you seriously. I don't give a Pikachu that English/French isn't your first language; that's what translators, editors, dictionaries and spellcheckers are for. Anything less than that is just not real to me, sorry. Now I don't know about Japan and their standards, but here in Canada, no company would ever send an official document to anyone, not even to some lowly employee, in anything less than perfectly correct English or French, and if/when they do, they lose credibility. No1currs that you don't speak/write French or English as your first language; even for something that doesn't require brains (like McD's, to which I applied and currently work at) your resume has to be in good English. So I find it EXTREMELY HARD to believe that one of the biggest gaming companies in the entire world couldn't be arsed to get someone who actually speaks English and not just speaks English but knows about Western writing standards to type up the official letter or email and send it to Serebii and Pokebeach. Why the formatting/grammatical/spelling mistakes? You shouldn't care about whether the receiver has standards or not; you should care about your own standards. Days ago I got an email from a small Korean company who contacted me about a Korean DVD I ordered with them, and they managed to write in damn fine English (the "tone" was slightly awkward, but I attributed that to cultural differences). Why is a Korean DVD company writing an email to little old me in perfect English, but GF/Nintendo is writing one to PokeBeach/Serebii in less than that? The same is true of site like PlayAsia and YesAsia. I'm telling you, this is BS. They didn't care before, why care now? In a week or two a lot of kids like me will actually own B/W and there's nothing anyone can do to prevent me from uploading fanart, custom sprites, screenies, images and so on and so forth to my LJ, and/or send them via MSN and Gmail. This is a hoax if I've ever seen one, and if I owned a Pokemon site, I'd be like, "lol, try again. You send me a letter/email in perfect English and maybe, MAYBE then I'll believe you". http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a231/Dark_Espeon/Fun-Pix/bhsnr.gif ^ SpongeBob & co. are NOT impressed with this failhaxxx. |
Meh... I have the images I need already saved (which is just the new Pokemon images). A bit of a bummer that a C&D is going around, but even if it's fake, I still say "better safe than sorry."
Hopefully it's revealed as a fake. |
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I hope it's fake too! >_< |
It appears to be fake... Ambi Pom-Pom of PokeBeach posted a good argument regarding the document. But simply assuming that the notice is invalid can only hope to land one in a world of legal trouble... :( I noticed Serebii removed BW images as a preemptive action...
IIRC, someone from the anime did an interview with someone of PokeBeach, and since Nintendo is affiliated with the anime, they have likely known about the site (as well as others) for a long time. Prerelease HGSS images were posted on PokeBeach and other fansites, and Nintendo didn't have a problem then, so apparently Nintendo must be OK with the whole thing, as long as the fansites do not make profit off such images. And really, these fansites are helping Pokemon in a sense via "promotion" that Nintendo doesn't even have to pay for. Thousands of fans outside Japan are already stoked and set to buy the game, despite some "perceived flaws". And even still some are waiting for the third version of BW that hasn't even been ANNOUNCED yet (myself included). :D I understand the property is Nintendo's, so they have all of the right to send out such notices. But really, as far as I see it, no "substantial damages" are going to be incurred by Nintendo if Pokemon fansites continue to propogate information that 'tides us over' until other localized releases come to fruition. None of the fansites are even trying to tarnish Nintendo's name/image; in fact, they're doing the opposite. The only possible trouble that could arise is regarding the ROM sites, and a lot of Pokemon fansites I've seen have explicitly forbidden discussion of such items. Not to mention that most people tend to buy the actual games anyway... And if the letter is fake, I hope whoever wrote it does get reported and punished, because it is just wasting everyone's time. I had thought Bulbanews had posted another BW article, but instead I encountered this mess... EDIT: And I just noticed how the letter refers to Nintendo as "we" in the first paragraph, yet calls themselves "me" in the last paragraph. So that must be one of the several grammatical/typographical errors being referenced by others... :\ |
I don't believe it to be real. Ambi Pom-Pom's post on Pokebeach sold me. It's quite obvious a professional entity wouldn't be sending out letters with things as simple as grammatical or spelling errors.
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So prolly a hoax, but the man took 'em down as a preventative measure.
And you know, why would Nintendo (or Pokemon Company, I'm really not sure) ask to take down all the images on sites that generate and express interest in a money-printing franchise like this anyways? I've heard of artists and companies who encourage the creation of fan art and even Rule 34 on their intellectual property. It's a sign that you have a following. Or that interwebs is being spiteful, but that's different. |
This is pure crap, Nintendo just lost major cool points with this one...
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So far, I'm inclined to believe that this is a hoax. As the others have put out, taking action against the fansites hurts Nintendo more than helps. The images have already been leaked, and can be found easily anywhere on the internet. Heck, there are already a couple Youtube walkthroughs posted. If Nintendo were to call for a recall of these leaked images, they would have done so in the beginning. At the very least, they would have permitted the pictures that were officially announced to remain posted.
TL;DR: This is pure BS and I'm just going to sit back and watch as this letter is proven a hoax, thus allowing all the pics to be reposted. |
okay, well I haven't seen ambipom's post, but if you guys say its fake, I believe you. Sorry for wasting your time, I just was posting the latest.
But I can still see why nintendo would be mad-the roms got leaked damn quick. |
It's an elaborate hoax, the letter is chock full of typo's and the legal jargon inserted into it makes no sense. I have Lawyers among my friends and family, and that looks like no affidavit or notice ive ever seen. An elaborate hoax, nothing more.
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It's most likely a hoax or nintendo lawyers need to go to grammar school...
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Gah, Why would they start now?
If they did wanna stop people, them must have started this a long time ago... |
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k i just read it, i didnt see any or much errors. but i would do it myself as im not good at this stuff. but reading it, i think its fake.
hey, i see pokebeach has images still. haha. |
I don't think it's a hoax guys. |
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The only thing to me that would make it seem legit is that Bulbapedia reported how Pokebeach's webmaster actually gave a call to the number listed and talked to someone. Granted, that is something that could be easily done, but it does add that sense of legitimacy. |
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Oh God, if this is true, what will happen of my Screenies thread? I still don't get it. Aren't we promoting Nintendo's game by posting pictures of it? We aren't linking Roms or even making Anti-piracy patches.
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Don't panic. That was just a preeptive action by Joe. :U
And yeah, they should have served this e-mail through the admin's emails not the WHOIS domain name email listing >_> |
You guys make good points. I honestly do hope that this isn't real however. I liked being able to see B&W pictures, and I wanted the shiny sprites to be put up. That's what I was really looking forward to on his website. ]: |
Guys if this IS just a troll, we could assume Pokebeach's webmaster told Serebii of the letter. So this troll could spread if both Pokebeach's Webmaster (sry whats his name) and Serebii believe its real. WE should be the ones taking action and at least have them double-check if its legit.
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Maybe it's a conspiracy, and Nintendo hired someone to send out fake emails to cause a bunch of controversy so they would get even more coverage. :O
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ok, fail.
like many of you have said before me, why would they do it now? and didn't the games come out officially today in japan? and if you get them shipped here instead of posting screen shots of ROMs couldn't you just post pics of the actual game itself? so really, they would only stop it for a little while. and if becomes illegal to do all of that then i guess we just wait for 6 months. |
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^a'ight I just don't want to see all the screenshots taken down from the fansites that they had worked so hard to find just because of some troll.
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Hmm what if the webmaster of Pokebeach made it...and sent it to himself and then to Serebii to get them to take down their pics while they keep thiers and get more viewers...I'm overthinking things huh?
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Why is the title of this thread so funny to me... XD
ANYWAYS, I have no idea if this a hoax or the real deal... Some of the things pointed out though makes me think this could all just be some troll act or something. Especially the letter first saying "we", then "me" as I believe someone stated. But WPM actually contacting the person who sent him the letter makes this seem pretty legit... X_X |
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Which adds to my conspiracy theory on this... |
Weird nintendo letter (mods please read and weep)
Okay so I've been surfing the net and I came across many pokemon related websites have gotten a letter from nintendo itself saying that if they do t take all the pokemon black and white related pics down by Sunday ( time unknown)
There site host will have to take it Down. Permanently. Nintendo never done this before for anygames so why the heck now?!?!?! I fell like protesting but I'd be to scared to even try them being a big scary company :p so what should PC do? |
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Actually...it's only Serebii and Pokebeach that have recieved E-MAIL'S so what are these other sites you're talking about?
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i think it's a hoax :P
pkmn b/w have so much rep and stuff, i dont read the crap on serebii, i just read the pictures :) and its not like there claiming they made it or anything :P |
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Kay, it's best that this is locked to avoid the drama and discussion regarding whether it's a hoax or not. If it's real, it's real. If it's fake, it's fake. Let's just get back to finding out information, playing and enjoying the games~
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