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spike6958 September 18th, 2010 4:19 PM

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Originally Posted by sirboulevard (Post 6165234)
This started about 7 months ago. I'm part of the Metroid fandom as well and we got hit with this first. In march someone recorded the intro to Other M on their iPhone at a private screening and uploaded it to YouTube. One of the webmasters of on the fandom sites actually met Yoshiro Sakamoto (the guy who made the game) at a conference and asked how that made him feel. He said that he felt betrayed and that many people at Nintendo had felt it was the last straw and that they were going to start shutting down early spoilers of things because they would rather someone have the game in their hands than read about it online and make their opinion there. He also said they wished they didn't have to do this, but they felt they were finally starting to have real issues with people doing these sorts of things and that the leniency we've enjoyed on both sides is likely ending.

Likely, this will continue with all Nintendo franchises for a while, especially so close to the 3DS release.

So basically Nintendo want us to pay money for a game without knowing anything about it, thats pretty lame and kinda makes what I said seem more true, they are worried that if people see screenshots/videos they'll see that the game actually isn't very good, I mean if you have made something awesome why would you want to hid it from the people who'll buy it? To me it's simple you wouldn't.

Zeturic September 18th, 2010 4:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spike6958 (Post 6165257)
So basically Nintendo want us to pay money for a game without knowing anything about it, thats pretty lame and kinda makes what I said seem more true, they are worried that if people see screenshots/videos they'll see that the game actually isn't very good, I mean if you have made something awesome why would you want to hid it from the people who'll buy it? To me it's simple you wouldn't.

Assuming for a moment that the letter is real, there are a couple reasons.

The first isn't truly a reason, but they own the series, so they can do what they want. End of.

The main reason, however, I believe, is the same thing that most of their decisions are made for - money. Most people who visit Pokemon sites were planning on buying it to begin with. How many people would go from not really wanting to buy to a "OMG! Best game ever!! Must get!" mindset because of some screenshots, as compared to people who weren't really planning on it, but might have, and seeing it and deciding they hate it and decide not to buy it, even if they would've liked it if they'd tried it.

I really could've phrased that better. Indeed, I'd be hard pressed to find a worse way to phrase it. However, with any luck, my point was still conveyed.

BCKC September 18th, 2010 4:39 PM

Couple errors here and there in the "official document" like others have stated. I also noticed that whoever wrote it pressed enter completely unnecessarily after every line o.O

Anyway, I hope this is a hoax. The letter just doesn't seem official...

Off topic: Holy crud my new sig is long. better put it in spoilers

King Gumball September 18th, 2010 4:41 PM

Serebii got the letter so Joe had to take down the images too.

Timbjerr September 18th, 2010 4:47 PM

Hey guys, stop overreacting.

If this is all real, is it really that unreasonable for Nintendo to request this of the major Pokemon fansites? Legally, they are in the right. They own the copyright to the Pokemon franchise and all the characters and settings thereof. At least they're giving the sites a chance to stay up by taking images down instead of just closing the website completely. >_>

SIN1488 September 18th, 2010 4:54 PM

Hopefully this is bull and Serebii is just re-upping the pokedex with clearer images. Lol Nintendo, y u stab me? >_<

Also, *hides ice-cream cone in sig* >_>
<_<
>_>

Devil Flamingo September 18th, 2010 5:31 PM

What's this? Am I smelling BS here? Oh...! Yes, I think I am. My BS-detecting nose sensors are going off!

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a231/Dark_Espeon/Fun-Pix/548749-20090831140449.jpg

"HI!!! I'M AN OFFICIAL PERSON WHO DOES OFFICIAL THINGS AND I ORDER YOU TO TAKE DOWN YOUR IMAGES!!! BECAUSE I SAY SO OFFICIALLY!!!" (the point of this lolpic being, just because Sarah Palin is a political figure with some form of status does not mean the BS that comes out of her mouth has to be taken as factz)

lolno. I can't believe people fell for this. I don't give a damn who you here, but if you're gonna send me a SERIOUS BUSINESS letter or email, it had damn better be in flawless English or flawless French or I won't take you seriously. I don't give a Pikachu that English/French isn't your first language; that's what translators, editors, dictionaries and spellcheckers are for. Anything less than that is just not real to me, sorry.

Now I don't know about Japan and their standards, but here in Canada, no company would ever send an official document to anyone, not even to some lowly employee, in anything less than perfectly correct English or French, and if/when they do, they lose credibility. No1currs that you don't speak/write French or English as your first language; even for something that doesn't require brains (like McD's, to which I applied and currently work at) your resume has to be in good English.

So I find it EXTREMELY HARD to believe that one of the biggest gaming companies in the entire world couldn't be arsed to get someone who actually speaks English and not just speaks English but knows about Western writing standards to type up the official letter or email and send it to Serebii and Pokebeach. Why the formatting/grammatical/spelling mistakes? You shouldn't care about whether the receiver has standards or not; you should care about your own standards.

Days ago I got an email from a small Korean company who contacted me about a Korean DVD I ordered with them, and they managed to write in damn fine English (the "tone" was slightly awkward, but I attributed that to cultural differences). Why is a Korean DVD company writing an email to little old me in perfect English, but GF/Nintendo is writing one to PokeBeach/Serebii in less than that? The same is true of site like PlayAsia and YesAsia.

I'm telling you, this is BS. They didn't care before, why care now? In a week or two a lot of kids like me will actually own B/W and there's nothing anyone can do to prevent me from uploading fanart, custom sprites, screenies, images and so on and so forth to my LJ, and/or send them via MSN and Gmail.

This is a hoax if I've ever seen one, and if I owned a Pokemon site, I'd be like, "lol, try again. You send me a letter/email in perfect English and maybe, MAYBE then I'll believe you".

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a231/Dark_Espeon/Fun-Pix/bhsnr.gif

^ SpongeBob & co. are NOT impressed with this failhaxxx.

Maxite September 18th, 2010 5:32 PM

Meh... I have the images I need already saved (which is just the new Pokemon images). A bit of a bummer that a C&D is going around, but even if it's fake, I still say "better safe than sorry."

Hopefully it's revealed as a fake.

SIN1488 September 18th, 2010 5:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maxite (Post 6165450)
Meh... I have the images I need already saved (which is just the new Pokemon images).

Hopefully it's revealed as a fake.

I'm mad because all I saved was that freakin ice-cream cone. :disappoin

I hope it's fake too! >_<

fenyx4 September 18th, 2010 5:58 PM

It appears to be fake... Ambi Pom-Pom of PokeBeach posted a good argument regarding the document. But simply assuming that the notice is invalid can only hope to land one in a world of legal trouble... :( I noticed Serebii removed BW images as a preemptive action...

IIRC, someone from the anime did an interview with someone of PokeBeach, and since Nintendo is affiliated with the anime, they have likely known about the site (as well as others) for a long time. Prerelease HGSS images were posted on PokeBeach and other fansites, and Nintendo didn't have a problem then, so apparently Nintendo must be OK with the whole thing, as long as the fansites do not make profit off such images.

And really, these fansites are helping Pokemon in a sense via "promotion" that Nintendo doesn't even have to pay for. Thousands of fans outside Japan are already stoked and set to buy the game, despite some "perceived flaws". And even still some are waiting for the third version of BW that hasn't even been ANNOUNCED yet (myself included). :D

I understand the property is Nintendo's, so they have all of the right to send out such notices. But really, as far as I see it, no "substantial damages" are going to be incurred by Nintendo if Pokemon fansites continue to propogate information that 'tides us over' until other localized releases come to fruition. None of the fansites are even trying to tarnish Nintendo's name/image; in fact, they're doing the opposite.

The only possible trouble that could arise is regarding the ROM sites, and a lot of Pokemon fansites I've seen have explicitly forbidden discussion of such items. Not to mention that most people tend to buy the actual games anyway...

And if the letter is fake, I hope whoever wrote it does get reported and punished, because it is just wasting everyone's time. I had thought Bulbanews had posted another BW article, but instead I encountered this mess...

EDIT: And I just noticed how the letter refers to Nintendo as "we" in the first paragraph, yet calls themselves "me" in the last paragraph. So that must be one of the several grammatical/typographical errors being referenced by others... :\

JP September 18th, 2010 6:11 PM

I don't believe it to be real. Ambi Pom-Pom's post on Pokebeach sold me. It's quite obvious a professional entity wouldn't be sending out letters with things as simple as grammatical or spelling errors.

Åzurε September 18th, 2010 6:19 PM

So prolly a hoax, but the man took 'em down as a preventative measure.

And you know, why would Nintendo (or Pokemon Company, I'm really not sure) ask to take down all the images on sites that generate and express interest in a money-printing franchise like this anyways? I've heard of artists and companies who encourage the creation of fan art and even Rule 34 on their intellectual property. It's a sign that you have a following.
Or that interwebs is being spiteful, but that's different.

Dillon_68 September 18th, 2010 6:45 PM

This is pure crap, Nintendo just lost major cool points with this one...

Utahraptor September 18th, 2010 6:55 PM

So far, I'm inclined to believe that this is a hoax. As the others have put out, taking action against the fansites hurts Nintendo more than helps. The images have already been leaked, and can be found easily anywhere on the internet. Heck, there are already a couple Youtube walkthroughs posted. If Nintendo were to call for a recall of these leaked images, they would have done so in the beginning. At the very least, they would have permitted the pictures that were officially announced to remain posted.

TL;DR: This is pure BS and I'm just going to sit back and watch as this letter is proven a hoax, thus allowing all the pics to be reposted.

Planetes. September 18th, 2010 7:10 PM

okay, well I haven't seen ambipom's post, but if you guys say its fake, I believe you. Sorry for wasting your time, I just was posting the latest.
But I can still see why nintendo would be mad-the roms got leaked damn quick.

Livewire September 18th, 2010 7:14 PM

It's an elaborate hoax, the letter is chock full of typo's and the legal jargon inserted into it makes no sense. I have Lawyers among my friends and family, and that looks like no affidavit or notice ive ever seen. An elaborate hoax, nothing more.

Here-

Spoiler:

VIA EMAIL
URGENT & TIME SENSITIVE: IMMEDIATE ATTENTION REQUIRED
September 18, 2010
Registrant
PokeBeach.com
RE: Infringement of Nintendo of America Inc.’s Intellectual Property Rights

Dear Sir or Madam:

We are legal counsel to Nintendo of America Inc. (referred to here, with its parent and affiliated
companies, as “Nintendo”). As you are no doubt well aware, Nintendo is one of the world’s
leading developers and distributors of video game products. The Pokémon franchise is one of
Nintendo’s most popular game series, and the upcoming release of the Pokémon Black and
Pokémon White video games has garnered significant media attention. The intellectual property
associated with the games, including the copyright in the underlying software code, visual
depictions of the games, and characters found within the games, is the subject of copyright
protection in the United States and abroad.

We recently learned that you have posted screenshots and other protected content from the
Pokémon Black and Pokémon White games to your website at http://pokebeach.com. While
Nintendo appreciates your interest in and support of the Pokémon game series, your publication
of this content infringes Nintendo’s copyrights in violation of federal law. Your activity also and
has the potential to cause substantial damage to Nintendo, and leaves Nintendo with no choice
but to take steps to protect its intellectual property rights.

We have accordingly submitted a copyright infringement notice to your domain registrar under
the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, and anticipate that your website will be taken down shortly.
We encourage you to immediately remove from your website all graphics, screenshots, and
other protected content taken from the Pokémon Black and Pokémon White games. Going
forward, you must also refrain from posting any screenshots, videos, or other content that
infringes Nintendo’s rights in the Pokémon series or any other game.

Your full and immediate compliance with the foregoing should render further action on
Nintendo’s part unnecessary. It is essential that we receive your written response confirming
that you have taken these necessary actions by Sunday, September 19, 12:00 p.m. PDT,
however, or Nintendo will have no choice but to consider its alternative legal remedies.

PokeBeach.com
September 18, 2010
Page Two

Please contact me if you would like to discuss this matter in further detail. Nothing stated herein
shall constitute a waiver of any rights or remedies of Nintendo of America Inc., its parent or
affiliated companies, all of which are expressly reserved.

Very truly yours,
X

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 18th, 2010 7:16 PM

It's most likely a hoax or nintendo lawyers need to go to grammar school...

●•ΛΣЯӨЩ•● September 18th, 2010 7:17 PM

Gah, Why would they start now?
If they did wanna stop people, them must have started this a long time ago...

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 18th, 2010 7:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ●•ΛΣЯӨЩ•● (Post 6165806)
Gah, Why would they start now?
If they did wanna stop people, them must have started this a long time ago...

I'm not sure but they did the same thing in Manga site recently so I'm guessing Japan creators want to target the internet so people can buy their stuff...also they might beleive that the images come from the roms...

countryemo September 18th, 2010 7:23 PM

k i just read it, i didnt see any or much errors. but i would do it myself as im not good at this stuff. but reading it, i think its fake.

hey, i see pokebeach has images still. haha.

The Red Chain September 18th, 2010 7:27 PM

I don't think it's a hoax guys.

Look at Serebii. This page was chock full of all the Isshu Pokemon's pictures. They are all gone. If you go to his home page, you'll see every B&W picture he had up there earlier today is gone. If not all, most of the B&W screenshots and sprites on Serebii.net are completely removed.

There would be no reason for this if it were a fake warning. I could be missing something, but I really think that Nintendo's serious.


SIN1488 September 18th, 2010 7:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Red Chain (Post 6165846)

I don't think it's a hoax guys.

Look at Serebii. This page was chock full of all the Isshu Pokemon's pictures. They are all gone. If you go to his home page, you'll see every B&W picture he had up there earlier today is gone. If not all, most of the B&W screenshots and sprites on Serebii.net are completely removed.

There would be no reason for this if it were a fake warning. I could be missing something, but I really think that Nintendo's serious.


Preemptive action, that's what that probably is.

JP September 18th, 2010 7:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Red Chain (Post 6165846)

I don't think it's a hoax guys.

Look at Serebii. This page was chock full of all the Isshu Pokemon's pictures. They are all gone. If you go to his home page, you'll see every B&W picture he had up there earlier today is gone. If not all, most of the B&W screenshots and sprites on Serebii.net are completely removed.

There would be no reason for this if it were a fake warning. I could be missing something, but I really think that Nintendo's serious.


I would imagine the reason he took everything down like that would be in case it is something that's real. Better to be safe than to take a chance. Him removing the images doesn't necessarily mean the letter is real and not a hoax though.

The only thing to me that would make it seem legit is that Bulbapedia reported how Pokebeach's webmaster actually gave a call to the number listed and talked to someone. Granted, that is something that could be easily done, but it does add that sense of legitimacy.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 18th, 2010 7:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Red Chain (Post 6165846)

I don't think it's a hoax guys.

Look at Serebii. This page was chock full of all the Isshu Pokemon's pictures. They are all gone. If you go to his home page, you'll see every B&W picture he had up there earlier today is gone. If not all, most of the B&W screenshots and sprites on Serebii.net are completely removed.

There would be no reason for this if it were a fake warning. I could be missing something, but I really think that Nintendo's serious.


Yeah but oddly Pokebeach hasn't...if it's real than Pokebeach is going to get into some legal trouble...

mervyn797 September 18th, 2010 7:36 PM

Oh God, if this is true, what will happen of my Screenies thread? I still don't get it. Aren't we promoting Nintendo's game by posting pictures of it? We aren't linking Roms or even making Anti-piracy patches.


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