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A Sinnoh Appearance?
It looks like on serebii.net Cythia makes yet another appearance in another game. (Just press Ctrl + F and type in Cynthia, you'll find it)
Soo, what is Cythia doing there? Why doesn't anyone find it weird she has never before seen Pokemon with her (you fight)? How did she get there? Do you think this ruins the whole "Isshu is isolated" idea? Discuss, please. |
She is the cchampion of Sinnoh so I think she would like to travel and catch new powerful pokemon :L
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Personally, I hate the fact that Cynthia is in B/W. She completely ruins the new feel it's supposed to give. Just stay in Sinnoh where you belong. 3:<
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Maybe Isshu is her home region ;)
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I think she should stay in Sinnoh, she is the champion after all! xD |
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So Cynthia is wandering around Isshu, and you can even challenge her to a battle. A better question to ponder is: Who's the stand-in champ back in Sinnoh at this time?
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you of course(if you've beaten d,p or pt)
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I personally like the fact that both Cynthia/Blue are included in BW. That just makes the game more awesome, with more champions (and their themes too). She has 4 of her origional pokemon, and 2 new ones.
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Time peroid 1-RBY, FRLG, RSE, BW Time peroid 2-GSC, DPPt, HGSS |
Since Cynthia researches on Pokemon mythology, my guess is that she came to Isshu to research on its mythology as well.
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It seems perfectly fine to me. Number one, she's a regional Champion, so there's whatever privileges come with that (the Snowpoint boat to the Frontier could be considered part of this), and she's into Pokemon myth and legend, so yeah.
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As for Cynthia... as I've mentioned in plenty of other topics, I love her. She is my absolute favorite Champion, and just generally one of my favorite characters in the Pokemon World. So I'm ecstatic about her appearing in this game, as well as being able to battle her! Plus, you do seem to get the idea that she enjoys traveling a lot, so in a sense it works out well. =) |
Just so you all know, Cynthia is a Sinnoh native. Her grandparents are in Celestic Town.
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i think it's awesome that she is in isshu.
and TECHNICALLY she isn't the champ anymore. Lucas is. so now that she is defeated she has more time to go and travel around the world! |
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No, Isshu needs more Professor Oak. Cynthia being in a game is so stupid, they're just recycling things now.Actually, I rather like this. Cynthia was about the only leader that used good pokemon and it's great to see a trainer with more than a single working brain cell come back, especially someone as awesome looking as Cynthia.
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but ah HA!
thats not true! in R/S the champ was Steven. but in Emerald it was Wallace. and then in SS the champ of hoen is still Steven. so they do acknowledge the fact that a champ was defeated. |
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Non-playable characters, such as Wallace and Steven, are a different story. Something like this even takes place in the new games. |
i think they don't acknowledge that because it's supposed to be an rpg, right?
so it wouldn't make sense for you to re battle the elite four only to face yourself? but i have no problem beleving that in B/W Lukas is sitting alone in a room with a (awesome) piano playing in the bacround awaiting his next challenger. while Cynthia is traveling, living her dream of proving every legendary Pokemon myth true. |
Actually the only champ ever acknowledge was Red and that's it...
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steven, red, and blue are all acknowledged defeated champions.
and Lukas and Gold are both acknowledged to be champions in there games. |
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Also Steven is still called the Hoenn champ in SS which is odd... Lucas/Dawn and the rest were only acknowledge in the games they were playerable in unlike Red... |
the reason Steven is still hoen champ is because S/G came before R/S in the time line.
so he is still champ because Wallace hasn't defeated him yet. |
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Cynthia is boring now. They should have made her a secret agent of Team Plasma who's covered all of her bases, lol. |
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Im glad taht cynthia is there, i like when chars from older gens come in new gen. It felt so good when i saw jasmine in sinnoh :3 |
Once you become champion you hold the title for life, that could be why steven is still refered as champion of hoen. And i like the fact the Cynthea is in issue, it shows that everything is still connected. And just because people from other regions are in the game doesnt mean we dont have a fresh start.
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I've read that you battle her at some stage, her team consists of Level 70+'s
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HG/SS Was Before R/S so Steven will obviously be the champ till Wallace Beats Him
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timeline: .......R/B/G..................... G/S/C...... ===R/S/E==3 year skip===D/P/Pt=== .......B/W/? .................... Gen 6...... My guesses are Cynthia isnt champion yet, and Steven probably got his title back. |
Apparently when she's talking to you she mentions that you remind her of a trainer who caught Giratina, which if true would suggest that B&W is taking place after DPPt.
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I don't know if anyone already said that, but Serebii says that Katorena, the Psychic-type Elite Four member, visits Cynthia's house in Isshu, so maybe they are related...
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Cynthia in B&W
I was looking aorund my sprite resource website
and i found this for Black and White http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu191/Nintendork15/Cynthia.png Cynthia? Is she battlable in this Game? If so Where why and how do you battle her...? Discuss!?! |
We already have a thread like this... yes you do battle Cynthia after the main game.
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Oh poo!
I searched for it but i couldnt find it ? |
Havent you seen the thread for cynthia already? -.-
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Guys, next time, don't minimod, just report.
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Who cares if she is in it? Oh no! A person traveling? UNHEARD OF!
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But seriously. Who cares people. It's not a big deal. Cynthia was a cool champion and she returns with an awesomely powerful team in B&W. :D |
I agree with Live.
Cynthia is actually my most favourite Champion next to Lance and yeahs. |
for all you youngins out there,
the time line is R/B/Y/Fr/Lg then G/S/C/SS/HG then R/S/E then D/P/Pt i don't know but i have never once heard that they are all taking place at the same time or another. they happen chronologically. Gen 1 to Gen 2 is about three years. then gen 3 is about two years after gold beats red. the gen 1 remakes are just remakes. they are not during the same time as gen 3. gen 4 is after gen three in the time line. and the gen 2 remakes are not happening at the same time as gen 4. |
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Cynthia lost to Lukas/Dawn. now Lukas/Dawn is now sitting alone in a room waiting for challengers. Cynthia is wandering the World. Here is a visual time line. Emerald is supposed to be where it is because it happens at the same time yet further down the road. same teams but different champ. |
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yes. but why she picks Isshu is beyond me.
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This timeline thing is confusing. You can say GSC happen at the same time as HGSS because the same events happen (for example, Team Rocket taking control of the Radio Tower), but you can also say HGSS time is after GSC, because there are places that didn't existed before, like the pokeathlon; there is a Wii in your bedroom; and the guy next to the Radio Tower says something like "This new tower was built to replace the old one", etc.
So my theory each game is unrelated to the other games, so if you are playing Heart Gold, that means the protagonists of RSE never existed, so that's why Steven is still the champion, because the third generation protagonists never existed to beat him, and even after Wallace becomes the champion, Steven is still called the "true champion". The only exception to this is Gen I - Gen 2 relation, because you see Red and Blue on GSC/HGSS. Even RBY is unrelated to FRLG and GSC to HGSS. |
look at my time line i just posted four post earlier and it'll be easier to understand.
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Wasn't Cynthia's hometown Celestic Town since thats what her grandmother syas?
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Well they time line to me is
Gen 1 is the start Gen 2 then a few months later gen 4 Gen 3 is ? Gen 5 is after gen 4 as they mentioned the Giratina capture :) |
This thread is for discussing Cynthia being in Isshu and we're starting to talk about time-lines so, stick to the topic guys. n_n
Cynthia being in Isshu gave me a shock, I must say. On the other hand Isshu has kept its word on several things so this shouldn't be a big issue, in my opinion. Issue, Isshu get it? xD;; It's good to have at least one thing from the past--this being it I suppose. I'm glad that Cynthia has her Garchomp with her, it makes it all the more reasonable. Seeing as she has some Isshu pokémon with her this time, I do wonder if she will become more difficult for some. I know a few people who had mentioned they had a hard time battling her but the more the challenge, the better the game is how I look at it. |
Was it ever said that a Champion MUST remain in their region at all time? I mean it's a little ridiculous to not expect them to travel. This is why I feel theres something wrong with the theory that she's traveling because she's not a champion yet or anymore. It's been showed that she enjoys traveling and has an interest in Legends. That and like I said before, it's never exactly acknowledged in the games that the Player (in this case, Lucas or Dawn) is the new Champion, as the role and title goes back to the original Champion of the region.
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I find it interesting the Cynthia is Isshu. I think the reason she is there is to research.
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I'm surprised that no one mentioned Looker in Isshu yet...but Cynthia is more important and famous ;)
I bet she is switching her attention to Isshu myths as the Giratina event is said to have passed and probably the Arceus Hg/Ss event did too so she wanted to look into another myth now :) |
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First off, you're using what generation a game is remade into to determine the time line?
Second, that's ridiculous. Third, Isshu is her home region. Fourth, do you live in the same place as your grandparents? I come from native and immigrant stock myself. Fifth, the fact that she is there is awesome. Sixth, it's cool Blue is livin large in Isshu, but we gotta draw the line at Cynthia? Seventh, shouldn't you be more upset that Lt. Surge isn't making a cameo, since he's the most well known American in the pokemon universe, and Isshu is NYC? |
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also I agree with her home region being Isshu. |
If Isshu is proven to be her region rather than Sinnoh (or some other one), I hope she also makes an appearance in Best Wishes. :P
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Note: i just noticed "B"est"W"ishes Black White anyone else see this? |
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RBGY/FRLG and RSE happen concurrently in the same time period (you can actually see child Jasmine in the audiences in RSE contests) then.... GSC/HGSS and DPPt happen concurrently 3 years later (hence Jasmine appearing in Sunyshore in her GSC/HGSS age) I do not know when BW happens, but it can inferred it happens closely before or after the events of GSC/HGSS/DPPt as Cynthia and Looker has not changed their overall appearances (clothes, hairstyle, etc.). Usually, characters change their image upon a generation changeover, especially in Pokemon (e.g. gym leaders like Misty/Sabrina from Gen I to II). |
Yes AngelXavier: We saw the BW in Best Wishes long ago.
It could also be, that based on the simple geography of the regions (Sinnoh is in Japan, and Isshu is in America), and based on simple economics at play, then it could be possible that Cynthia is not only researching legends, but also looking to buy a home while real estate prices are depressed. All kidding aside, I'll be interested in seeing the US version and what Cynthia is up to (or someone translating her lines and related lines). |
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just would like to know.... |
Lol, she battles you and has a team of Spiritomb, Milotic, Garchomp, Lucario, Wooguru, and Shibirudon. She only appears in the Spring and Summer time, and you can battle her al you want. In case this wasn't revealed yet.
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i've always HATED fighting against Cynthia because of her hax. i swear GameFreak has a "Cynthia clause" where her crit rates are doubled, 70% accuracy moves always hit, one double team from spiritomb = 3 regular double teams and 10% chance of freeze = 50%.
I HATE HATE HATE YOU CYNTHIAAAAAAAA! |
actually i pwned her with a team of 2 Infernape and togekiss lol lvl 60+
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I like the idea of Cynthia travelling around Isshu, as someone else stated it connects the reigons together and makes logical sense that trainers from other reigons will explore other areas once finished exploring their origin region.
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Just wondering... what's her team? Still perfect IVs, I think.
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As for her team: Lv.75 Spiritomb, Lv.75 Shibirudon, Lv.75 Milotic, Lv.75 Wargle, Lv.75 Lucario, and a Lv.77 Garchomp =D |
i really can't wait to face her again! she was the best champ so far!
although she will lose to my zekrom.. off topic for a min but who is isshus champ during the first run through? |
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Also I really hope Cynthia is a bigger challenge than last time :) |
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I'm pleased to see Cynthia make a reappearance - a fightable one, nonetheless. I wish we could fight Steven and/or Red too, though. |
Meh. Will a moderator change the title as to not give away major spoilers, please?
With all respect to the OP of course, I know you want to share the news with everyone but you also got to respect the wishes of those who don't want to be spoiled with major events in the game. |
To be honest, I think this is a great way to say old characters travel region to region like the anime has the characters do as well. I hope Cynthia is more of a challenge than before for me since I'm all about the challenges. :) Although in DPPt she wasn't so much of a trouble other than her a Garchomp and occassionally her Gastrodon, I'm hoping she'll have a strategic moveset for each of her pokémon and moreover, Garchomp.
For those who are concerned about the title change, I've taken a look at how much of a spoiler the title of this thread is and changed it for those who don't want to be spoiled. Happy Posting! |
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Wait is Blue really in the game as well? |
Thanks. Also, her theme is MUCH better in BW than in DPPt. It's higher tempo and better instruments.
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I really like that she's in it because it still feels like there is just a little connection to the previous regions. It's comforting to me at least...
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I think travelling to previous regions is unlikely, personally... considering the games are released and nobody has said anything, but it could be hinting at the fact that although Isshu is in a different "world" or something, the old favourites haven't completely left, or something.
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I think it will never happen. Traveling to other regions, in this new fresh start of a game? Never will happen. A tiny, tiny chance of it happening in the remake, though I still doubt it. Isshu is so far away too. I do hope there will be other areas not on the map that you can travel to though, like in FR/LG.
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What they should do like King Gramball said make like a little island off the coast of isshu named Grey Island (If thats the name of the remake) where you can rematch gym leaders in isshu plus fight gym leaders and champions from older games ( With the occasional frontier brain showing up) like the battle ground in platinum
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I'm not sure if anybody noticed this before but Cynthia's Japanese name, Shirona has Shiro in it which means White while she's wearing black clothing. Her character in itself could have been giving indications of her relation towards Black and White. I thought I'd bring this up, and I for one, wouldn't have been able to come up with this theory without knowing she was actually going to make an appearance.
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Either way, I don't really care. I'm actually excited Cynthia's back! |
It appears, contrary to popular belief, Cynthia is not rebattleable.
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That's a surprise, strange how you can't. Maybe you rebattle her in Winter instead of Summer :D (and people... translated wrong? idk)
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I heard you battle her once a week.
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Ugh, I'm gonna be really pissed if it ends up being the case that you can't rematch her at all. :/ I wouldn't see the point of a one time deal. Once a week I'd say is likely.
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I heard you could battle her once a week...but maybe that once a week as an added part like with what happened with Belle...
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According to serebii, you can battle her once a day. =) That sould be fun and challenging, she was by far the hardest champion- I wound up complteting the shinnoh dex and getting the national one, then importing my LG team to beat her. free exp
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You are able to battle Cynthia once a day. However, this is only during the Spring and Summer time. Just wanted to clarify this up for those who would be disappointed if it was only a one time thing.
I'm sure it seems weird to be able to battle her once a day during those two seasons, but there will be different characters coming to visit her each day such as the two Elite Four Members, Caitlin and Shikimi. So even though it doesn't really make sense to battle her once everyday, characters will be there and will be adding on to the storyline as well. But yes, we will be able to have rematches with Cynthia, which is a great relief for those who are really looking forward to seeing her. :) |
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