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Cheating - when is it okay?
In your opinion, is it okay to cheat? When is it okay? What's not okay?
I believe that cheating is okay to obtain things you can't obtain anymore or with another game pack. So using a code to make a certain Pokemon appear is okay, as long as it's not obtainable in your game. But hacking Fly onto a Diglett, or Hydro Pump on a Charmander, isn't okay. |
I dont really like cheating on pokemon, it ruins the game.
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Personally, I think cheating ruins the fun and challenge of a game, so I don't really like to do it. If someone really likes cheating, I think that's fine, so long as they're not affecting anyone who wants to play legitimately.
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I really don't see the point of cheating, it totally defeats the object of the game. If other people choose to cheat their game, that's fine by me!
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It says i'm the only one who voted it's never okay.
well it's not |
it's OK if you do it while you play the game.
it's definitly not OK for competitive battle! |
Me, I only think that's it's okay when you clone things. Other than that, I think it just ruins the experience of the game. If you just rip through a game with an AR, where's the fun in that? What's the point of buying the game in the first place?
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Considering that this thread is in the GenI/GenII section, and I have ROMs for all GenI/GenII games short of the elusive English Green, I think it's only fair to cheat so long as you don;t take the game seriously. I recently did a playthrough of Red where I hacked a Mewtwo as my starter and just wrecked everything in the game for the fun of it. XD
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I used to cheat to get the events. Nintendo never thought about the people in small countries like Costa Rica that can't travel to the United States or Mexico (which is my case). At least all the events are on Wi-Fi now but I wish they would repeat some events so people that missed them could get a second chance (like me with the [email protected] event).
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It ruins the point of the game. People who actually went to events or imported games to get such pokemon deserve what they have. While people who cheated, even if it's impossible to get such pokemon on their version or in their region, ruin the value of having such a rare pokemon. It's even more sad when cheated pokemon are traded without telling the receiver.
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I don't think its ever okay to cheat on a Pokemon game or in real life.
So yeah, I thinks okay to cheat. |
lumiina: Maybe that's why Mew stopped being the rarest Pokémon in my country. Now it's Feebas.
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I think it is ok if you have done everything in the game without cheating.
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Honestly, I think cheating should always be permissible to accomplish the things you badly do not want to do. Eg. Grinding weaker pokemon, catching rare pokemon in certain routes not necessarily by hacking them, but by increasing the speed of the game. I now play on roms to avoid having to erase my handheld games and I personally think that the speed up button actually makes the gaming experience more enjoyable.
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But meh, I don't have the right to say if people should cheat or not, as long as no-one else forces me to cheat, then but all means go ahead. Quote:
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Cheating is okay when A. you're young and stupid like I was when I hacked Silver, or B. you've finished a game and want to have a little bit of extra fun with it, i.e. forming a team made up entirely of Wonderguard Spiritomb to effectively piss off everyone you know. Points if they're all level one.
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Cheating is perfectly fine if you're having fun and no one is suffering while you do it.
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I used to think the last answer when I was on a new forum (isn´t existing anymore, it got deleted shortly before the release of Platinum in Europe) where the main point was cheating. First of all, it was really fun but after a while, it just got boring (even if it´s just cheating yourself the Lunar Wing again cuz you wanna keep it and STILL being able to catch Cresselia!^^) . Since then, I think 2 is the way to go. Cheating is okay when you´re only doing it to get events like Celebi (which us Europeans still haven´t gotten in an honest way for 11 years now... and we´re still waiting...) !^^
And @shininglatios: Another reason why Mew´s not that rare anymore is that you can get one in My Pokemon Ranch!^^ |
I used to do it when I was younger but then I developed a challenging attitude so I stopped...and recently my little brother and I have been doing quick run-throughs with each generation(excluding D,P,PT cuz I don't have one) but we got HG,SS and I was beating him by three gyms then he used an action replay and beat me in the same day.
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If its not to gain an unfair advantage in competative battling then meh, it's not a big deal imo.
The only cheats I can say i've used in RBY are the mew cheat and the glitch that lets you skip Brock's gym. |
The only time it's ok to cheat is when
1. Playing r/b/y and cheating for mew. 2. If your the only one within miles who still plays a color/metal generation pokemon game. 3. If a pokemon is impossible to get otherwise. 4. You wanna freak out your younger siblings. Example: Little brother "Go! Mewtwo(Lv100)!" Big Brother"Go Magikarp(Lv100)!" Little brother"Hahhaaha. This'll be easy. Psychic!!" Big Brother"Magikarp, use Hyper beam" *Mewtwo has fainted. Use next Pokemon?* Little brother"Wuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut?!?!?!??!?!?!??!??!?" Gameshark: 1|Younger siblings: 0 |
In this generation of games, it doesn't really matter if you're cheating or not. I personally think cheating is ok if you've played through the game and are just having fun. Don't see the harm in it, its your game.
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I think cheating doesn't matter in Gen 1 as you all ready would off played the game's a million times :)
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I don't even actually know how to cheat. Is it done with an emulator or a gameshark or something like that? I don't even really know what either of those things are, to be honest :).
I do remember maybe 12 or so years ago back when I was playing pokemon Blue, my little brother taught me the cheat where you go to Cinnabar Island, surf up and down next to the gym, catch the missing no. pokemon, have the rare candy as the 6th item in your inventory, go visit that guy in Viridian City....Something like that. To be honest, I don't even really remember. At any rate, I used the cheat for fun one game to level my pokemon to 100 and duplicate master balls to catch multiple legendary pokemon. But really, it wasn't a big deal. I only did it that once for fun, and I didn't really think of it as cheating, because I restarted that game all the time and I didn't always use the duplication trick. Just when I was bored for something to do. It's not like I ever traded or battled or competed with anyone outside of the game, so what did it matter? The only time I have actually "cheated," I guess, was to get my pokemon in Emerald up to level 60 so they could match the other pokemon's levels in the Open Level bracket of the Battle Frontier. Usually they are early to mid 50s in level after defeating the Elite Four, and it's a pain to grind levels, so I just feed them rare candies so I can play in the Battle Frontier. I don't really see that as a big deal because again, I'm not competing with anyone but the game, and the Rare Candies certainly don't power them up at all. Regular levelling probably would make them more powerful, if I understand EVs properly. The only times cheating would never be okay, in my opinion, is if you battle with your friends or in competitions with pokemon you've taught illegal moves to....Even then, shinies and whatnot are fine, as long as you don't pretend you caught the shiny in a random battle. Who cares about coloring, anyways? |
Cheating is OK if the only people that it affects are OK with it.
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It's only when like my legit Heartgold and I plan to do some WIFI battling. As in, raising them all to LVL 100 quick. I don't consider it cheating, I consider it LEGIT cheating 'cause I'm not making all the stats to 999
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Eh, it's okay. It's your game, you have fun with it. And if your way of having fun is using a cheating device, shoot for it. Like others have said before me, as long as you don't use it to cheat during a linked battle thing, then there's nothing wrong with it to me.
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Does having a flying Kangaskhan from the MissingNO. glitch count?
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If you want to cheat to acquire pokemon you can't get any other way so you can complete your pokedex, okay, I think that's fine.
But cloning pokemon and items is cheating. Teaching moves in a way that wasn't meant to be done is cheating. Using glitches to your advantage is cheating. Making Kangaskan appear outside the safari zone is cheating. I mean I guess if you're just experimenting with stuff and not using them in multiplayer or using them to progress through the game then it's not bad. |
I only cheat when I'm finished with the game. That's the only time I do it, unless I'm having trouble. (like when I'm battling Brock in Yellow and I only have a Pikachu...)
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Cheating's fine in one's own singleplayer game, but the moment they involve other people... well again I'm mostly indifferent, but a cheater shouldn't expect anyone to be symapthetic.
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If you're going to play alone, feel free to cheat your heart out. However, when it comes to getting those "unobtainable" Pokemon, there are glitches for that, so there's really no point in cheating.
On the other hand, I am perfectly fine with "Fan-made Events" just as long as they aren't used in competitive play. Even at that, however, I don't think thay should be given max stats. I once PokeSav'd a shiny Muchlax (holding Lemonade) in commemoration of a Spring Picnic (OT/ SPICNIC) back in high school, Wonder Card and all. |
I cheat to get what's unobtainable. Like an unused item or a half-deleted map. And when I beat the game, I treat myself to a little fun. Like a Pokemon knowing moves that it normally shouldn't. As long as I don't use it for actual cheating, just fun. One more exception in my opinion is if you don't have a masterball, cheat to get one, and save it for shinies. You never know when they'll appear and you'd best be ready for them.
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My thing with cheating is that its fine. In-fact I do it a lot, after I beat the game. I play the game as usual. Catch Pokemon, raise them, battle trainers, the usual. I'll play the game as if cheating devices were never invented. After I beat it though, I have fun by cheating around. I'll use codes to catch Pokemon only found in a different game(because I don't have the other game or way to trade), a walk through walls code for faster travel, codes to get items you can only get through events(because going to an actual Pokemon event is not an option for me), or a move modifying code(because its just fun). I think beating Falkner a second time, but with a Totodile that knows Thunderbolt is very fun. I wouldn't ever cheat a Pokemon to raise stats, change moves, etc. then battle someone with it. That's over kill, and no fun :( If they had cheatymon I'd battle 'em with mine though xD
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I think cheating isn't cool at all. I've never been much of a cheater because, once you start hacking pokemon, the whole value of the game decreases.
Eg. Once you can whip up level 100's in a few seconds with your cheats, what is the point of ever training a pokemon again? A few months back, me and a few mates decided to all start Pokemon HG/SS together.. The next time we met up, they'd both had all hacked and shiny pokemon, and i refused to battle or trade with them. They payed out on me for refusing to cheat, ect. Anyway, now i'm still here today playing on the same save file , training up a ton of pokemon, completeing the pokedex.. and them? they haven't touched the game in weeks. tl;dr? Cheating is a bad habit. Litterally, the more you cheat, the less desire you have to play games. |
To an extent, yes. I cheat all the time to make clones without using that risky GTS glitch and to disscet the game and see stuff that Nintendo does not want me to see. I also use Pokesav to make some of my Pokemon because I do not have the time or patience to Breed for IV's or EV train. If I do use them in battle, I try to make them as legit as possible, that means no unobtainable moves, stats or abilities. I do have a problem however, if someone uses cheats to scam traders or to get an unfair advantage in a Wi-Fi battle that is not obtainable otherwise. I also cheat for infinite items because they can really be a chore to obtain if you wish to use them in mass quantities.
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Cheating is fine by me, if it's not to exploit the game too much. Cheating makes the game less fun and more boring.
However, back in the days of G/S/C I would "cheat" or exploit glitches, which I do not consider cheating. Glitches are where the developers screwed up, and if you can exploit them, then so be it. |
Lost my interest on my old Platinum and Soul Silver game due to cheating. I restarted the game again, now with the legit way and made me interested more on the game. I say cheating has its limits. And what the others have said, cheating take the thrill away from a game.
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I was looking at this and started to wonder what it was doing in metal/color. Moving to GPG since this covers all generations.
The only cheating I do, aside from weird glitches in RBY, is for TMs and event Pokemon I couldn't get because of lack of Wi-Fi, such as Arceus, Darkrai, Shaymin, etc. But I don't use them against people. Ever. Just the novelty of having them is good enough for me. I refuse to battle people that cheat as well, unless I have a team readied up that I know can win. But at least hacking for extra TMs is acceptable. I mean...one per game, usually, is insane. Thank you for the unbreakable TMs, gen V<3 I do, however, cheat the hell out of my ROMs. Not for Rare Candies though, never. But I've hacked a Secret Key into my Platinum ROM (no wi-fi for the real key, so no Rotom forms pour moi! ;; ) and I have the shiny cheat set on my Emerald ROM so that I can raise shiny Pokemon I like. It just depends on what you're cheating for, really. |
I voted "It's okay as long as you don't really abuse it".
By that I mean, it's perfectly fine in all situations if you play on a ROM (They're illegal anyway, so you obviously don't care if you're playing one, do you?) But on the real games, I say cloning (of anything pokémon, items etc.) is as far as it goes. I'd never cheat, other than glitch abuse - I love the fact that my first game (Emerald) contains the last easily abusable cloning glitch. If you don't have wi-fi, it doesn't really matter what you do as long as the products of your cheating don't spread out. |
Alright, so I'd love to play through this game with a Jumpluff as a part of my team, but can't get any Hoppip until way after the Elite 4, and I hate trading (or I'm playing FRLG/E and it wouldn't work anyways). CHEATING TIME.
I also like creating some non-standard HM slaves. Because Silcoon and Cascoon being the team's slaves is way more interesting than the usual Tropius and Mudkip. |
For me, cheating is okay in moderation. I only use it to get multiple rare items, but not to alter a Pokemon's stats/moves.
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You can cheat all you want on a game, in my opinion, until you fight real people. Cheating is NOT okay if you use it to gain an advantage over other people.
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I say it's okay as long as you don't abuse it. Mainly I'd use it to obtain event Pokemon I cannot otherwise get since my home Wifi is WPA-protected and I have a DS Lite (thus it was the only way to get Giratina and spiky-eared Pichu in HGSS). And I have cheated to obtain non-legendary shiny wild Pokemon. Catching Trainer Pokemon is a bit further down the path to the 'dark side' but I'd never use it to catch legendary Pokemon. Hacking a Diglett to learn fly, as the example in the first post says, is a no-no, but I WOULD hack a Pikachu to learn Fly or Surf (since I cannot get one on Yellow Path).
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It's okay when you want it to be. It can be fun to, like, make your starter a Venonat or something. It isn't any fun to make a whole team of legendaries, but it can be fun to have a team of whatever the heck you want. If cheating can help you to have more fun, by all means, cheat to your heart's content!
Ever for competitive battling, I think it's okay to cheat anything that would be possible by normal gameplay. It'd take years to get the right nature and shininess, but eventually you'd get there. But you can make it take years shorter by cheating. It's just a way to skip time. Of course, don't cheat impossible movesets and stuff, that's just wrong. |
Here's what I will probably do.
Hack in a Competetive Battling team to use ONLY while training my legit one. Once my legit one is complete, the Hacked Poke's will be released. |
I don't believe it's okay.
To me it just shows off how weak you really are. |
I was always the type to want ALL video games to make sense, and if they didn't i would make something up, i made up that gamesharks are a type of lab in the poke' universe that make synthetic items and pokemon. I think you should never cheat, it spits upon the name of those that attempted catch their selves that modest shiny rattata and train it to learn water gun. But for real don't cheat unless your very curious, want to @%[email protected] up your game, or catch missingno, and if you do, do it on a rom.
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It depends on how you're cheating. Not all "cheaters" give themselves a team of Lv100 legendaries with ridiculous stats and sweep through the game. You can cheat in smaller ways, and in my opinion some cheats can actually make the game more fair.
Say you're building a team for battling online, and you need a few TMs. Unfortunately you don't have all the TMs you need. Some you've already used on other Pokemon. Some would take tons of BP or hours in the Game Corner to obtain. Some you'd have to completely restart the game to find again. For that sort of thing, I'd say an "unlimited TMs cheat" or whatever would be acceptable. Or hell, maybe you just want to nickname an event Pokemon. Not all cheats are extreme or game-breaking. ... When it comes down to it, though, it's always okay to cheat, so long as you aren't parading around beating people on WiFi with a team of hacked ubers or anything. You can (and should) play the game however you want to. Cheating in a video game isn't horribly immoral and wrong. It's just a video game. |
I think it's ok to cheat if the person needed a pokemon for his Dex and didn't have WiFi or any other means of obtaining it. Or if the person really likes a pokemon that only comes in a event and they missed it. I however don't think it's right to make hacked pokemon for trade or try to rip people off.
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When I finish the game, I usually pop in my Action Replay and get insanely high levelled Pokemon, and make really powerful Pokemon.
I've gotten many legit shinies (I have 2 in Emerald). Still, I never use these Pokemon in battles and only use them for fun. |
I think it's fine if it's something like getting an event pokemon, or a similar situation.
When I was younger, I loved doing it because my friends couldn't figure out how they would be able to trade me a pokemon, and me have it level 100 the next day. Silly things like that :D |
I suppose it just depends on how you feel about it. I mean, if you can't get your DS online, and no events are close to you, then what else are you supposed to do? If Nintendo didn't want people to cheat, they should make the Pokemon accessible, instead of keeping them back for events like this that don't even reach certain countries. If something is impossible for you to get any other way...well, why not? I wouldn't say there was anything wrong with that.
Similarly, if you can't be bothered to EV train Pokemon or shiny hunt - and it IS a very long, time-consuming and boring process - there isn't really anything wrong with cheating to get them. You're not hurting anyone but yourself (I know it'd drive me INSANE if I cheated to get anything I could get otherwise, I can't even accept Masterballs to catch Legendaries, I've had to build up a stock from previous games to use when I'm sufficiently aggravated) unless you make Pokemon with improbable stats and moves and then take them online. Although I do know one thing...I'm liberating my friend's AR when I feel like starting HeartGold or SoulSilver again so I can play it from the beginning with the GB Sounds. |
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For competitions and trading, keep the cheating out of it. It's not fair when dealing with other people.
As for personal gain, I say, GO FOR IT! I have some hacked shinies because I've become tired of trying to get them legit (I do have a pair of Legit Shinies from trading: Latias and Eevee-evt) for my personal use. Just don't pass hacked stuff to others. It's not nice. |
I only ever use my Action Replay in places where I've finished my game. I never cheat or hack the game when I'm playing the story but once that's over, I allow myself to do some simple cheats. nothing like level 100s or stuff like that but small things that make the after-game better. For me, using my Action Replay enhances the game after I've finished the main part of the game. However, I won't cheat when it comes to WiFi battles or anything involving other people because that's really cheating.
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It is never okay to cheat it is annoying and it ruins the game.
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The only cheat code I use is the walk through walls one. I use it because I hate to teach my Pokemon the crappy HM moves. >_<
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in pokemon games I'd only cheat for hard to get pokemon like celebi. in other games I wouldn't cheat at all
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I like using Pokesav to create my own Event Pokemon but they're not ridiculously-powered LV100 Shiny Legendary Pokemon or anything like that. I did recreate the Shiny Legendary Dogs for Platinum and I did recreate Movie Mewtwo for Platinum. But those were merely tests to see if it worked - I was after a PokeRadar which I received through making my own event - a friend used his AR to activate the National Pokedex before I completed the Elite Four, thus not allowing me to obtain it.
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Eh, I personally stopped doing it but have nothing against anyone does as stated before as long as im not affected. I will admit though using cheats to generate shinies is never okay in my book knowing you got a shiny legit is part of what makes them sparkle to me. Go spend hours with the pokewalker and have ur chain broken by a Bidoof like everyone else
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I sometimes used SendPKM to create my own Pokémon. Usually I either release them or keep 'em in the PC. Nothing more. I tried sending an Azure Flute, but the flute didn't work. >.<
I rarely ever get them touched, or activate an event if they can. |
I haven't used AR or GS since I was a little kid, but I don't care if people cheat on their own games so long as they don't try to trade hacked Pokémon off as real ones or use them competitively.
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I only do it to get pokemon who are not obtained w/o trading. I use the modifyer codes to catch the missing Kanto/Johto/Hoenn pkmn in Diamond
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I don't count the glitches in R/B/Y/G/S/C as cheating...every game has a glitch or two.
I'm going to be honest. I cheat. I don't do crazy movesets and all that. It's just way too complicated for me but I do get Pokemon that I just cannot obtain through HeartGold and to help complete my Pokedex. I also like to breed so I usually grab some Pokemon of same egg groups or to get shinies and stuff. I don't think I've ruined my game for myself. I still have tons of things to do in it and just because I may have some illegitimate Pokemon there doesn't bother me. I just don't like it when you cheat to compete in tournaments and have a better outcome. It isn't fair and I know I would be pissed if you had a level 100 Shiny Diglett that knew Fly in a tournament. |
I use my Action Replay a great deal, mostly with getting certain items, money, gaining levels quick when I don't feel like doing it the legit way and help catching the occasional Pokemon. I don't know anything about using the AR for IV, impossible movesets and uber Pokemon for competitions.
I follow the rule of never using my AR for Wi-Fi battling. I only use the AR for personal stuff. |
I do cheat, and do not give a rat's arse about it.
But I do have my limits. 999 on all/one stat? Teaching a Dugtrio Hydro Pump? Not for me. Eivana, some people who cheat have something called a job and/or school, not to mention other responsibilities that barely gives them time to do anything game-related. Or, [le gasp], A LIFE. It has nothing to do with being weak. |
It doesn't matter if you cheat or not (not because I cheat sometimes in these games) but everyone has their opinion on cheating. If someone is cheating while I'm playing, I will cheat right back by getting my Action Replay. If people believe that cheating is their way of enjoying the game, then let them
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I agree with everyone has their view towards cheating to complete the game, receive items the easier way, or do silly things like walk through walls but to me, I find it unnecessary. If you cheat to get things that take a while or are a bit difficult to obtain in the game, then what gives off a good challenge? A lot of people already complain how the game is barely challenging so cheating just has no challenges input and everything becomes easier. I never cheated throughout the game because I like some kind of challenge and I find it more fun to play the game the right way rather than having it in a cheated way. :( This is just my two cents anyway.
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I cheat to be silly. I do bigger cheating after beating the game. But more than 99% of the time I play regularly. I find the games only to be easy for me because I've been playing them for thirteen years, giving me thirteen years of experience, rather than the three days worth of experience most people seem to expect to have for themselves when they play a game they've been playing for just as long. So, sometimes it is very challenging for me, sometimes I sweep the game in under two days. But cheating is ok on a game of Pokemon. It's yours, it should be played how you want to play it. But like Kaori said, it kind of defeats the challenge purpose of it if you cheat the moment you get the game.
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I personally don't find it okay, but different people like different things, I guess. The only time I've 'cheated', or at least you may call it that, is/was moments when I clone Pokemon so I can trade them. Besides that, I play through the game to have fun, which would mean no cheats for me.
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I only cheat on emulators, and only codes like; Faster talking and stuff, the only codes I'll use on my Ds are IV/EV checking along with cloning and once again faster text.
I don't think it's okay when you go over the top for like "Enter this code and there will be a Lv100 shiny legit celebi with PKRS ev'...." Its endless .___. Those ones are stupid/ |
I never really cheated on a pokemon game, Im old fashion on that. Im not sure if you consider this a cheat but I clone all my strongest pokemon on emerald and use them in important battles.
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For me cheating is never OK, and there's no justifying it. To get a Pokemon not normally obtainable? Oh, please, just trade! Not like it's impossible. Or, just migrate for 4th gen games. Through those methods, EVERY Pokemon (excluding 5th gen) is currently obtainable.
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my choice doesn't fit up in those so i'll put it here
I feel free to use cheats but only after I have beaten a game thoroughly through out at least once |
I dont think it should matter if you cheat on your own game. If you cheat to battle online than thats bad I guess but i thought everyone gets bumped up to 100 for the battles so how that matters either, I dunno but Ive never played online before.
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I only use cheats to change my Pokemon's' gender :)
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I cheat to get event only Pokemons. And any other Pokemon I can't aqquire in-game.
Also, 999 Heart Scales and Master Balls. Heart scales are handy and master balls just remove the hastle of having to weaken Pokemon before you catch them. But I only use cheats after i've completed the game. |
Cheating is okay when a game requires you to do certain pointless and time-consuming stuff. I therefore wholeheartedly support the use of walk through walls codes. :P
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Never okay unless your partner fails to deliver.
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I've been playing Pokemon Leaf Green on an Emulator. Makes it difficult to impossible to get all the Pokemon you want. So I will make Pokemon I have no way of getting appear where I want them to. I try to make it legit as possible by going to the Area they would be located on Fire Red. So I believe if theres no possible way to get something you want/need on a game, cheating is justified. What if you were stuck on a level and didn't know how to move forward? Would using a walkthrough ruin the game for you? Personally, it would ruin the game for me if I couldn't finish it, so I will gladly use a walkthrough...but only when I am absolutely stuck and have no alternatives. Otherwise, yes, I would agree that cheating would take all the fun and challenge out of the game.
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Eh, I'm pretty lenient with "cheating."
Obviously, I don't think it's right to go around ripping through everything with a Pokemon with 999 everything, but I've created Pokemon with the nature, EVs, and IV's I want. I don't have the time and patience for that, unfortunately, and while I do feel bad about those who do take the time, that's just how it is. If it makes anyone feel better, I level them up and get all their moves myself (like if I once sat down and played through Voltorb Flip for a while to save up for an Ice Beam TM). I also see no problem with things like obtaining old event Pokemon or reobtaining a TM because really, if TM's are going to be one use items, there should be at least one way to be able to get it again after using it, whether it's Battle Frontier or Game Corner or just buying. |
The only time I cheat on a pokemon game is when it lets you get to an area you can't normally get to.
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