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Duragi September 27th, 2010 5:25 PM

The only time it's ok to cheat is when
1. Playing r/b/y and cheating for mew.
2. If your the only one within miles who still plays a color/metal generation pokemon game.
3. If a pokemon is impossible to get otherwise.
4. You wanna freak out your younger siblings.
Example: Little brother "Go! Mewtwo(Lv100)!" Big Brother"Go Magikarp(Lv100)!" Little brother"Hahhaaha. This'll be easy. Psychic!!" Big Brother"Magikarp, use Hyper beam" *Mewtwo has fainted. Use next Pokemon?* Little brother"Wuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut?!?!?!??!?!?!??!??!?"

Gameshark: 1|Younger siblings: 0

Lateon October 4th, 2010 7:34 PM

In this generation of games, it doesn't really matter if you're cheating or not. I personally think cheating is ok if you've played through the game and are just having fun. Don't see the harm in it, its your game.

LightOfTruth October 6th, 2010 9:21 AM

I think cheating doesn't matter in Gen 1 as you all ready would off played the game's a million times :)

serabeth October 9th, 2010 10:33 AM

I don't even actually know how to cheat. Is it done with an emulator or a gameshark or something like that? I don't even really know what either of those things are, to be honest :).

I do remember maybe 12 or so years ago back when I was playing pokemon Blue, my little brother taught me the cheat where you go to Cinnabar Island, surf up and down next to the gym, catch the missing no. pokemon, have the rare candy as the 6th item in your inventory, go visit that guy in Viridian City....Something like that. To be honest, I don't even really remember. At any rate, I used the cheat for fun one game to level my pokemon to 100 and duplicate master balls to catch multiple legendary pokemon.

But really, it wasn't a big deal. I only did it that once for fun, and I didn't really think of it as cheating, because I restarted that game all the time and I didn't always use the duplication trick. Just when I was bored for something to do. It's not like I ever traded or battled or competed with anyone outside of the game, so what did it matter?

The only time I have actually "cheated," I guess, was to get my pokemon in Emerald up to level 60 so they could match the other pokemon's levels in the Open Level bracket of the Battle Frontier. Usually they are early to mid 50s in level after defeating the Elite Four, and it's a pain to grind levels, so I just feed them rare candies so I can play in the Battle Frontier. I don't really see that as a big deal because again, I'm not competing with anyone but the game, and the Rare Candies certainly don't power them up at all. Regular levelling probably would make them more powerful, if I understand EVs properly.

The only times cheating would never be okay, in my opinion, is if you battle with your friends or in competitions with pokemon you've taught illegal moves to....Even then, shinies and whatnot are fine, as long as you don't pretend you caught the shiny in a random battle. Who cares about coloring, anyways?

Zowayix October 11th, 2010 4:15 PM

Cheating is OK if the only people that it affects are OK with it.

XDragonRiderX October 18th, 2010 8:56 PM

It's only when like my legit Heartgold and I plan to do some WIFI battling. As in, raising them all to LVL 100 quick. I don't consider it cheating, I consider it LEGIT cheating 'cause I'm not making all the stats to 999

Shiro October 22nd, 2010 5:15 PM

Eh, it's okay. It's your game, you have fun with it. And if your way of having fun is using a cheating device, shoot for it. Like others have said before me, as long as you don't use it to cheat during a linked battle thing, then there's nothing wrong with it to me.

Heart's Soul October 22nd, 2010 7:00 PM

Does having a flying Kangaskhan from the MissingNO. glitch count?

GengarsRevenge October 27th, 2010 3:37 AM

If you want to cheat to acquire pokemon you can't get any other way so you can complete your pokedex, okay, I think that's fine.

But cloning pokemon and items is cheating. Teaching moves in a way that wasn't meant to be done is cheating. Using glitches to your advantage is cheating. Making Kangaskan appear outside the safari zone is cheating.

I mean I guess if you're just experimenting with stuff and not using them in multiplayer or using them to progress through the game then it's not bad.

Rucario October 27th, 2010 8:19 AM

I only cheat when I'm finished with the game. That's the only time I do it, unless I'm having trouble. (like when I'm battling Brock in Yellow and I only have a Pikachu...)

Legobricks October 27th, 2010 8:54 AM

Cheating's fine in one's own singleplayer game, but the moment they involve other people... well again I'm mostly indifferent, but a cheater shouldn't expect anyone to be symapthetic.

icycatelf October 27th, 2010 1:50 PM

If you're going to play alone, feel free to cheat your heart out. However, when it comes to getting those "unobtainable" Pokemon, there are glitches for that, so there's really no point in cheating.

On the other hand, I am perfectly fine with "Fan-made Events" just as long as they aren't used in competitive play. Even at that, however, I don't think thay should be given max stats. I once PokeSav'd a shiny Muchlax (holding Lemonade) in commemoration of a Spring Picnic (OT/ SPICNIC) back in high school, Wonder Card and all.

U.Flame October 27th, 2010 8:36 PM

I cheat to get what's unobtainable. Like an unused item or a half-deleted map. And when I beat the game, I treat myself to a little fun. Like a Pokemon knowing moves that it normally shouldn't. As long as I don't use it for actual cheating, just fun. One more exception in my opinion is if you don't have a masterball, cheat to get one, and save it for shinies. You never know when they'll appear and you'd best be ready for them.

avolonsaber November 3rd, 2010 7:24 PM

My thing with cheating is that its fine. In-fact I do it a lot, after I beat the game. I play the game as usual. Catch Pokemon, raise them, battle trainers, the usual. I'll play the game as if cheating devices were never invented. After I beat it though, I have fun by cheating around. I'll use codes to catch Pokemon only found in a different game(because I don't have the other game or way to trade), a walk through walls code for faster travel, codes to get items you can only get through events(because going to an actual Pokemon event is not an option for me), or a move modifying code(because its just fun). I think beating Falkner a second time, but with a Totodile that knows Thunderbolt is very fun. I wouldn't ever cheat a Pokemon to raise stats, change moves, etc. then battle someone with it. That's over kill, and no fun :( If they had cheatymon I'd battle 'em with mine though xD

Phury November 3rd, 2010 8:01 PM

I think cheating isn't cool at all. I've never been much of a cheater because, once you start hacking pokemon, the whole value of the game decreases.

Eg. Once you can whip up level 100's in a few seconds with your cheats, what is the point of ever training a pokemon again?

A few months back, me and a few mates decided to all start Pokemon HG/SS together.. The next time we met up, they'd both had all hacked and shiny pokemon, and i refused to battle or trade with them. They payed out on me for refusing to cheat, ect. Anyway, now i'm still here today playing on the same save file , training up a ton of pokemon, completeing the pokedex.. and them? they haven't touched the game in weeks.

tl;dr?
Cheating is a bad habit. Litterally, the more you cheat, the less desire you have to play games.

The Corrupt Plague November 3rd, 2010 9:02 PM

To an extent, yes. I cheat all the time to make clones without using that risky GTS glitch and to disscet the game and see stuff that Nintendo does not want me to see. I also use Pokesav to make some of my Pokemon because I do not have the time or patience to Breed for IV's or EV train. If I do use them in battle, I try to make them as legit as possible, that means no unobtainable moves, stats or abilities. I do have a problem however, if someone uses cheats to scam traders or to get an unfair advantage in a Wi-Fi battle that is not obtainable otherwise. I also cheat for infinite items because they can really be a chore to obtain if you wish to use them in mass quantities.

Alternative November 3rd, 2010 10:38 PM

Cheating is fine by me, if it's not to exploit the game too much. Cheating makes the game less fun and more boring.

However, back in the days of G/S/C I would "cheat" or exploit glitches, which I do not consider cheating. Glitches are where the developers screwed up, and if you can exploit them, then so be it.

Musica November 3rd, 2010 11:09 PM

Lost my interest on my old Platinum and Soul Silver game due to cheating. I restarted the game again, now with the legit way and made me interested more on the game. I say cheating has its limits. And what the others have said, cheating take the thrill away from a game.

Sydian November 4th, 2010 1:00 PM

I was looking at this and started to wonder what it was doing in metal/color. Moving to GPG since this covers all generations.

The only cheating I do, aside from weird glitches in RBY, is for TMs and event Pokemon I couldn't get because of lack of Wi-Fi, such as Arceus, Darkrai, Shaymin, etc. But I don't use them against people. Ever. Just the novelty of having them is good enough for me. I refuse to battle people that cheat as well, unless I have a team readied up that I know can win. But at least hacking for extra TMs is acceptable. I mean...one per game, usually, is insane. Thank you for the unbreakable TMs, gen V<3 I do, however, cheat the hell out of my ROMs. Not for Rare Candies though, never. But I've hacked a Secret Key into my Platinum ROM (no wi-fi for the real key, so no Rotom forms pour moi! ;; ) and I have the shiny cheat set on my Emerald ROM so that I can raise shiny Pokemon I like. It just depends on what you're cheating for, really.

Amore November 4th, 2010 1:44 PM

I voted "It's okay as long as you don't really abuse it".

By that I mean, it's perfectly fine in all situations if you play on a ROM (They're illegal anyway, so you obviously don't care if you're playing one, do you?)

But on the real games, I say cloning (of anything pokémon, items etc.) is as far as it goes. I'd never cheat, other than glitch abuse - I love the fact that my first game (Emerald) contains the last easily abusable cloning glitch.

If you don't have wi-fi, it doesn't really matter what you do as long as the products of your cheating don't spread out.

mondays suck November 5th, 2010 10:16 AM

Alright, so I'd love to play through this game with a Jumpluff as a part of my team, but can't get any Hoppip until way after the Elite 4, and I hate trading (or I'm playing FRLG/E and it wouldn't work anyways). CHEATING TIME.
I also like creating some non-standard HM slaves. Because Silcoon and Cascoon being the team's slaves is way more interesting than the usual Tropius and Mudkip.

PlatinumDude November 6th, 2010 5:23 PM

For me, cheating is okay in moderation. I only use it to get multiple rare items, but not to alter a Pokemon's stats/moves.

ShivaDF November 6th, 2010 6:53 PM

You can cheat all you want on a game, in my opinion, until you fight real people. Cheating is NOT okay if you use it to gain an advantage over other people.

ggctuk November 7th, 2010 11:05 AM

I say it's okay as long as you don't abuse it. Mainly I'd use it to obtain event Pokemon I cannot otherwise get since my home Wifi is WPA-protected and I have a DS Lite (thus it was the only way to get Giratina and spiky-eared Pichu in HGSS). And I have cheated to obtain non-legendary shiny wild Pokemon. Catching Trainer Pokemon is a bit further down the path to the 'dark side' but I'd never use it to catch legendary Pokemon. Hacking a Diglett to learn fly, as the example in the first post says, is a no-no, but I WOULD hack a Pikachu to learn Fly or Surf (since I cannot get one on Yellow Path).

tkallab November 7th, 2010 11:21 AM

It's okay when you want it to be. It can be fun to, like, make your starter a Venonat or something. It isn't any fun to make a whole team of legendaries, but it can be fun to have a team of whatever the heck you want. If cheating can help you to have more fun, by all means, cheat to your heart's content!
Ever for competitive battling, I think it's okay to cheat anything that would be possible by normal gameplay. It'd take years to get the right nature and shininess, but eventually you'd get there. But you can make it take years shorter by cheating. It's just a way to skip time. Of course, don't cheat impossible movesets and stuff, that's just wrong.


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