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shot571 September 16th, 2010 9:38 AM

Evolutions Discussion
 
This is a thread for evolutions discussion. Discuss evolutions in general here. Evolutions in general, etc, high evo levels, you name it.

Spoiler:
Quote:

Originally Posted by .Gamer (Post 6158834)

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/989552-pokemon-black-version/56398506

found here, been confirmed by serebii in the thread.

kibago (larvitar 2.0 for those of you who dont' know) has base 147 attack, move over garchomp

Wait kibago itself or its evo? (if it has one)

Timbjerr September 16th, 2010 9:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shot571 (Post 6158851)
Wait kibago itself or its evo? (if it has one)

According to the GameFAQS thread he linked to, it's Ononokusu, his fully-evolved form (aka Axe-head dragon)

shot571 September 16th, 2010 9:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timbjerr (Post 6158864)
According to the GameFAQS thread he linked to, it's Ononokusu, his fully-evolved form (aka Axe-head dragon)

Ahh ok thanks. I was a little confused at that point :P. and the axe head is its evo O.o thats what I get from ot trying to spoil the story too much. In that case Kibago is a BEAST :D

Chrisixx September 16th, 2010 10:00 AM

#633Monozu (Lv. 50 -->) #634Jiheddo(Lv. 64 -->)
#635Sazando
Dark/Dragon
Levitate
HP: 92
Atk: 105
Def: 90
SpA: 125
SpD: 90
Spe: 98

evolution at LVL 64?!

thats the highest lvl isnt it?

Livewire September 16th, 2010 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chrisixx (Post 6158890)
#633Monozu (Lv. 50 -->) #634Jiheddo(Lv. 64 -->)
#635Sazando
Dark/Dragon
Levitate
HP: 92
Atk: 105
Def: 90
SpA: 125
SpD: 90
Spe: 98

evolution at LVL 64?!

thats the highest lvl isnt it?

Yeah that's the highest lvl based evo we have. It'll be worth it though. Monster stats. :D

Perriechu September 16th, 2010 10:04 AM

Wow... some of those base stats are Beast! never used that word in something like this .0.

And this Generation brings us the highest level for Evolution as well :O

Chrisixx September 16th, 2010 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Live_Wire466 (Post 6158893)


Yeah that's the highest lvl based evo we have. It'll be worth it though. Monster stats. :D

first evo at lvl 50...


sooo much win...

levitate and DARK/DRAGON lol xD

PsychoJigglypuff September 16th, 2010 7:55 PM

What really stood out to me was the evolution levels. Some of these Pokemon evolve really late. But then again, they do have some impressive stats.

Boarbeque September 16th, 2010 7:58 PM

Pokemon Evolution Requirements Leaked!!!
 
I got this info from the Smogon Forums!:

Spoiler:
#494Victini
Psychic/Fire
Victory Star
HP: 100
Atk: 100
Def: 100
SpA: 100
SpD: 100
Spe: 100

BST: 600

#495Tsutaaja (Lv.17 -->) #496Janobii (Lv.36 -->)
#497Jarooda
Grass
Overgrow
HP: 75
Atk: 75
Def: 95
SpA: 75
SpD: 95
Spe: 113

BST: 528

#498Pokabu (Lv.17 -->) #499Chaopu (Lv.36 -->)
#500Enbuoo
Fire/Fighting
Blaze
HP: 110
Atk: 123
Def: 65
SpA: 100
SpD: 65
Spe: 65

BST: 528

#501Mijumaru (Lv.17 -->) #502Futachimaru (Lv.36 -->)
#503Daikenki
Water
Torrent
HP: 95
Atk: 100
Def: 85
SpA: 108
SpD: 70
Spe: 70

BST: 528

#504Minezumi (Lv. 20 -->)
#505Miruhoggu
Normal
Illuminate/Keen Eye
HP: 60
Atk: 85
Def: 69
SpA: 60
SpD: 69
Spe: 77

BST: 420

#506Yooterii (Lv. 16 -->) #507Haaderia (Lv.32 -->)
#508Muurando
Normal
Intimidate/"Sand Throw"
HP: 85
Atk: 100
Def: 90
SpA: 45
SpD: 90
Spe: 80

BST: 490

#509Choroneko (Lv. 20 -->)
#510Reparudasu
Dark
Limber/Unburden
HP: 64
Atk: 88
Def: 50
SpA: 88
SpD: 50
Spe: 106

BST: 446

#511Yanappu (Leaf Stone -->)
#512Yanakki
Grass
Gluttony
HP: 75
Atk: 98
Def: 63
SpA: 98
SpD: 63
Spe: 101

BST: 498

#513Baoppu (Fire Stone -->)
#514Baokki
Fire
Gluttony
HP: 75
Atk: 98
Def: 63
SpA: 98
SpD: 63
Spe: 101

BST: 498

#515Hiyappu (Water Stone -->)
#516Hiyakki
Water
Gluttony
HP: 75
Atk: 98
Def: 63
SpA: 98
SpD: 63
Spe: 101

BST: 498

#517Munna (Moon Stone -->)
#518Musharna
Psychic
Forewarn/Synchronize
HP: 116
Atk: 65
Def: 85
SpA: 107
SpD: 95
Spe: 29

BST: 497

#519Mamepato (Lv. 21 -->) #520Hatoobo (Lv. 32 -->)
#521Kenhorou
Normal/Flying
"Pigeon Heart"/Super Luck
HP: 80
Atk: 105
Def: 80
SpA: 65
SpD: 55
Spe: 93

BST: 478

#522Shimama (Lv. 27 -->)
#523Zeburaika
Electric
Lightningrod/Motor Drive
HP: 75
Atk: 100
Def: 63
SpA: 80
SpD: 63
Spe: 116

BST: 497

#524Danguro (Lv. 25 -->) #525Gantoru (Trade -->)
#526Gigaiasu
Rock
Sturdy
HP: 85
Atk: 135
Def: 130
SpA: 60
SpD: 70
Spe: 25

BST: 505

#527Koromori (Level up in Summer -->)
#528Kokoromori
Psychic/Flying
Unaware/Klutz
HP: 67
Atk: 57
Def: 55
SpA: 77
SpD: 55
Spe: 114

BST: 425

#529Mogeryuu (Lv. 31 -->)
#530Doryuuzu
Ground/Steel
"Sand Throw"/"Sand Power"
HP: 110
Atk: 135
Def: 60
SpA: 50
SpD: 65
Spe: 88

BST: 508

#531Tabunne
Normal
"Healing Heart"/"Regeneration"
HP: 103
Atk: 60
Def: 86
SpA: 60
SpD: 86
Spe: 50

BST: 445

#532Dokkoraa (Lv. 25 -->) #533Dotekkotsu (Trade -->)
#534Roopushin
Fighting
Guts/"Encourage"
HP: 105
Atk: 140
Def: 95
SpA: 55
SpD: 65
Spe: 45

BST: 505

#535Otamaru (Lv. 25 -->) #536Gamagaru (Lv. 36 -->)
#537Gamageroge
Water/Ground
Swift Swim/"Poison Skin"
HP: 105
Atk: 85
Def: 75
SpA: 85
SpD: 75
Spe: 74

BST: 499

#538Nageki
Fighting
Guts/Inner Focus
HP: 120
Atk: 100
Def: 85
SpA: 30
SpD: 85
Spe: 45

BST: 465

#539Dageki
Fighting
Sturdy/Inner Focus
HP: 75
Atk: 125
Def: 75
SpA: 30
SpD: 75
Spe: 85

BST: 465

#540Kurumiru (Lv. 20 -->) #541Kurumayu (Level up in Summer -->)
#542Hahakomori
Bug/Grass
Swarm/Chlorophyll
HP: 75
Atk: 103
Def: 80
SpA: 70
SpD: 70
Spe: 93

BST: 491

#543Fushide (Lv. 22 -->) #544Hoiiga (Lv. 30 -->)
#545Pendoraa
Bug/Poison
Poison Point/Swarm
HP: 60
Atk: 90
Def: 89
SpA: 55
SpD: 69
Spe: 112

BST: 475

#546Monmen (Sun Stone -->)
#547Erufuun
Grass
"Mischievous Heart"/"Slip Through"
HP: 60
Atk: 67
Def: 85
SpA: 77
SpD: 75
Spe: 116

BST: 480

#548Churine (Sun Stone -->)
#549Doredia
Grass
Chlorophyll/Own Tempo
HP: 70
Atk: 60
Def: 75
SpA: 110
SpD: 75
Spe: 90

BST: 480

#550Basrao
Water
Reckless/Adaptability
HP: 70
Atk: 92
Def: 65
SpA: 80
SpD: 55
Spe: 98

BST: 460

#551Meguroko (Lv. 29 -->) #552Warubiru (Lv. 40 -->)
#553Warubiaru
Ground/Dark
Intimidate/"Earthquake Spiral"
HP: 95
Atk: 117
Def: 70
SpA: 65
SpD: 70
Spe: 92

BST: 509

#554Darumakka (Lv. 35 -->)
#555Hihidaruma
Fire
"Encourage"
HP: 105
Atk: 140
Def: 55
SpA: 30
SpD: 55
Spe: 95

BST: 480

Daruma Mode
Fire/Psychic
HP: 105
Atk: 30
Def: 105
SpA: 140
SpD: 105
Spe: 55

BST: 540

#556Marakacchi
Grass
Water Absorb/Chlorophyll
HP: 75
Atk: 86
Def: 67
SpA: 106
SpD: 67
Spe: 60

BST: 461

#557Ishizumai (Lv. 34 -->)
#558Iwaparesu
Bug/Rock
Sturdy/Shell Armor
HP: 70
Atk: 95
Def: 125
SpA: 65
SpD: 75
Spe: 45

BST: 475

#559Zuruggu (Lv. 39 -->)
#560Zuruzukin
Dark/Fighting
Shed Skin/"Earthquake Spiral"
HP: 65
Atk: 90
Def: 115
SpA: 45
SpD: 115
Spe: 58

BST: 488

#561Shinboraa
Psychic/Flying
"Miracle Skin"/Magic Guard
HP: 72
Atk: 58
Def: 80
SpA: 103
SpD: 80
Spe: 97

BST: 490

#562Desumasu (Lv. 34 -->)
#563Desukaan
Ghost
Mummy
HP: 58
Atk: 50
Def: 145
SpA: 95
SpD: 105
Spe: 30

BST: 483

#564Purotooga (Lv. 37 -->)
#565Abagoora
Water/Rock
Solid Rock/Sturdy
HP: 74
Atk: 108
Def: 133
SpA: 83
SpD: 65
Spe: 32

BST: 495

#566Aaken (Lv. 37 -->)
#567Aakeosu
Rock/Flying
"Weak-kneed"
HP: 75
Atk: 140
Def: 65
SpA: 112
SpD: 65
Spe: 110

BST: 567

#568Yabakuron (Lv. 36 -->)
#569Dasutodasu
Poison
Stench/"Broken Armour"
HP: 80
Atk: 95
Def: 82
SpA: 60
SpD: 82
Spe: 75

BST: 474

#570Zoroa (Lv. 30 -->)
#571Zoroark
Dark
Illusion
HP: 60
Atk: 105
Def: 60
SpA: 120
SpD: 60
Spe: 105

BST: 510

#572Chillarmy (Shiny Stone -->)
#573Chirachiino
Normal
Cute Charm/Technician
HP: 75
Atk: 95
Def: 60
SpA: 65
SpD: 60
Spe: 115

BST: 470

#574Gochimu (Lv. 32 -->) #575Gochimiru (Lv. 41 -->)
#576Gochiruzeru
Psychic
Frisk
HP: 70
Atk: 55
Def: 95
SpA: 95
SpD: 110
Spe: 65

BST: 490

#577Yuniran (Lv. 32 -->) #578Daburan (Lv. 41 -->)
#579Rankurusu
Psychic
"Dustproof"/Magic Guard
HP: 110
Atk: 65
Def: 75
SpA: 125
SpD: 85
Spe: 30

BST: 490

#580Koaruhii (Lv. 35 -->)
#581Swanna
Water/Flying
Keen Eye/"Pigeon Heart"
HP: 75
Atk: 87
Def: 63
SpA: 87
SpD: 63
Spe: 98

BST: 473

#582Banipucchi (Lv. 35 -->) #583Baniricchi (Lv. 47 -->)
#584Baibanira
Ice
Ice Body
HP: 71
Atk: 95
Def: 85
SpA: 110
SpD: 95
Spe: 79

BST: 535

#585Shikijika (Lv. 37 -->)
#586Mebukijika
Normal/Grass
Chlorophyll/"Herbivore"
HP: 80
Atk: 100
Def: 70
SpA: 60
SpD: 70
Spe: 95

BST: 475

#587Emonga
Electric/Flying
Static
HP: 55
Atk: 75
Def: 60
SpA: 75
SpD: 60
Spe: 103

BST: 428

#588Kaburuchi (Trade with Chobomaki -->)
#589Shubarugo
Bug/Steel
Swarm/Shell Armor
HP: 70
Atk: 135
Def: 105
SpA: 60
SpD: 105
Spe: 20

BST: 495

#590Damagetake (Lv. 39 -->)
#591Morobareru
Grass/Poison
Effect Spore
HP: 114
Atk: 85
Def: 70
SpA: 80
SpD: 80
Spe: 30

BST: 459

#592Pururiru (Lv. 40 -->)
#593Burunkeru
Water/Ghost.
Water Absorb/"Cursed Body"
HP: 100
Atk: 60
Def: 70
SpA: 85
SpD: 105
Spe: 60

BST: 480

#594Mamanbou
Water
"Healing Heart"/Hydration
HP: 165
Atk: 75
Def: 80
SpA: 40
SpD: 45
Spe: 65

BST: 470

#595Bachuru (Lv. 36 -->)
#596Denchura
Bug/Electric
Compoundeyes/"Anxiety"
HP: 70
Atk: 77
Def: 60
SpA: 97
SpD: 60
Spe: 108

BST: 472

#597Desshiido (Lv. 40 -->)
#598Nattorei
Grass/Steel
"Iron Barbs"
HP: 89
Atk: 94
Def: 131
SpA: 49
SpD: 116
Spe: 20

BST: 499

#599Giaru (Lv. 38 -->) #600Gigiaru (Lv. 49 -->)
#601Gigigiaru
Steel
Plus/Minus
HP: 60
Atk: 100
Def: 115
SpA: 70
SpD: 85
Spe: 90

BST: 520

#602Shibishirasu (Lv. 39 -->) #603Shibibiiru (Thunderstone -->)
#604Shibirudon
Electric
Levitate
HP: 85
Atk: 115
Def: 80
SpA: 105
SpD: 80
Spe: 50

BST: 515

#605Riguree (Lv. 42 -->)
#606Oobemu
Psychic
Telepathy/Synchronize
HP: 75
Atk: 75
Def: 75
SpA: 125
SpD: 95
Spe: 40

BST: 485

#607Hitomoshi (Lv. 41 -->) #608Ranpuraa (Dush Stone -->)
609Shanderaa
Ghost/Fire
Flash Fire/Flame Body
HP: 60
Atk: 55
Def: 90
SpA: 145
SpD: 90
Spe: 80

BST: 520

#610Kibago (Lv. 38 -->) #611Onondo (Lv. 48 -->)
#612Ononokusu
Dragon
Rivalry/Mold Breaker
HP: 76
Atk: 147
Def: 90
SpA: 60
SpD: 70
Spe: 97

BST: 540

#613Kumashun (Lv. 39 -->)
#614Tsunbeaa
Ice
Snow Cloak
HP: 95
Atk: 110
Def: 80
SpA: 70
SpD: 80
Spe: 50

BST: 485

#615Furiijio
Ice
Levitate
HP: 70
Atk: 50
Def: 30
SpA: 95
SpD: 135
Spe: 105

BST: 485

#616Chobomaki (Trade with Kaburuchi -->)
#617Agirudaa
Bug
Hydration/Sticky Hold
HP: 80
Atk: 70
Def: 40
SpA: 100
SpD: 60
Spe: 145

BST: 495

#618Maggyo
Ground/Electric
Static/Limber
HP: 109
Atk: 66
Def: 84
SpA: 81
SpD: 99
Spe: 32

BST: 471

#619Kojofuu (Lv. 50 -->)
#620Kojondo
Fighting
Inner Focus/"Regeneration"
HP: 65
Atk: 125
Def: 60
SpA: 95
SpD: 60
Spe: 105

BST: 510

#621Kurimugan
Dragon
Rough Skin/"Encourage"
HP: 77
Atk: 120
Def: 90
SpA: 60
SpD: 90
Spe: 48

BST: 485

#622Gobitto (Lv. 43 -->)
#623Goruggo
Ground/Ghost
Iron Fist/Klutz
HP: 89
Atk: 124
Def: 80
SpA: 55
SpD: 80
Spe: 55

BST: 483

#624Komatana (Lv. 52 -->)
#625Kirikizan
Dark/Steel
"Competitive Spirit"/Inner Focus
HP: 65
Atk: 125
Def: 100
SpA: 60
SpD: 70
Spe: 70

BST: 490

#626Baffuron
Normal
Reckless/"Herbivore"
HP: 95
Atk: 100
Def: 95
SpA: 40
SpD: 95
Spe: 55

BST: 480

#627Washibon (Lv. 54 -->)
#628Uooguru
Normal/Flying
Keen Eye/"Encourage"
HP: 100
Atk: 123
Def: 75
SpA: 57
SpD: 75
Spe: 80

BST: 510

#629Baruchai (Lv. 54 -->)
#630Barujiina
Dark/Flying
"Pigeon Heart"/"Dustproof"
HP: 110
Atk: 65
Def: 105
SpA: 55
SpD: 95
Spe: 80

BST: 510

#631Kuitaran
Fire
Gluttony/Flash Fire
HP: 85
Atk: 97
Def: 66
SpA: 105
SpD: 66
Spe: 65

BST: 484

#632Aianto
Bug/Steel
Swarm/Hustle
HP: 58
Atk: 109
Def: 112
SpA: 48
SpD: 48
Spe: 109

BST: 484

#633Monozu (Lv. 50 -->) #634Jiheddo(Lv. 64 -->)
#635Sazando
Dark/Dragon
Levitate
HP: 92
Atk: 105
Def: 90
SpA: 125
SpD: 90
Spe: 98

BST: 600

#636Meraruba (Lv. 59 -->)
#637Urugamosu
Bug/Fire
Flame Body
HP: 85
Atk: 60
Def: 65
SpA: 135
SpD: 105
Spe: 100

BST: 550

#638Kobaruon
Steel/Fighting
"Justice Heart"
HP: 91
Atk: 90
Def: 129
SpA: 90
SpD: 72
Spe: 108

BST: 580

#639Terakion
Rock/Fighting
"Justice Heart"
HP: 91
Atk: 129
Def: 90
SpA: 72
SpD: 90
Spe: 108

BST: 580

#640Birijion
Grass/Fighting
"Justice Heart"
HP: 91
Atk: 90
Def: 72
SpA: 90
SpD: 129
Spe: 108

BST: 580

#641Torunerosu
Flying
"Mischievous Heart"
HP: 79
Atk: 115
Def: 70
SpA: 125
SpD: 80
Spe: 111

BST: 580

#642Borutorosu
Electric/Flying
"Mischievous Heart"
HP: 79
Atk: 115
Def: 70
SpA: 125
SpD: 80
Spe: 111

BST: 580

#643Reshiram
Dragon/Fire
Turboblaze
HP: 105
Atk: 120
Def: 100
SpA: 150
SpD: 120
Spe: 90

BST: 685

#644Zekrom
Dragon/Electric
Teravoltage
HP: 105
Atk: 150
Def: 120
SpA: 120
SpD: 100
Spe: 90

BST: 685

#645Randorosu
Ground/Flying
"Sand Power"
HP: 79
Atk: 125
Def: 90
SpA: 115
SpD: 80
Spe: 101

BST: 590

#646Kyuremu
Dragon/Ice
Pressure
HP: 125
Atk: 130
Def: 90
SpA: 130
SpD: 90
Spe: 95

BST: 660

#647Kerudio
Water/Fighting
"Justice Heart"
HP: 91
Atk: 72
Def: 90
SpA: 129
SpD: 90
Spe: 108

BST: 580

#648Meroetta
Normal/Psychic
Serene Grace
HP: 100
Atk: 77
Def: 77
SpA: 128
SpD: 128
Spe: 90

BST: 600

"Step Forme"
Normal/Fighting
HP: 100
Atk: 128
Def: 90
SpA: 77
SpD: 77
Spe: 128

BST: 600

#649Genosekuto
Bug/Steel
Download
HP: 71
Atk: 120
Def: 95
SpA: 120
SpD: 95
Spe: 99

BST: 600

Ho-Oh September 16th, 2010 8:08 PM

Discussion seems to go in the same direction, so merged.

Boarbeque September 16th, 2010 9:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boarbeque (Post 6160228)
I got this info from the Smogon Forums!:

Spoiler:
#494Victini
Psychic/Fire
Victory Star
HP: 100
Atk: 100
Def: 100
SpA: 100
SpD: 100
Spe: 100

BST: 600

#495Tsutaaja (Lv.17 -->) #496Janobii (Lv.36 -->)
#497Jarooda
Grass
Overgrow
HP: 75
Atk: 75
Def: 95
SpA: 75
SpD: 95
Spe: 113

BST: 528

#498Pokabu (Lv.17 -->) #499Chaopu (Lv.36 -->)
#500Enbuoo
Fire/Fighting
Blaze
HP: 110
Atk: 123
Def: 65
SpA: 100
SpD: 65
Spe: 65

BST: 528

#501Mijumaru (Lv.17 -->) #502Futachimaru (Lv.36 -->)
#503Daikenki
Water
Torrent
HP: 95
Atk: 100
Def: 85
SpA: 108
SpD: 70
Spe: 70

BST: 528

#504Minezumi (Lv. 20 -->)
#505Miruhoggu
Normal
Illuminate/Keen Eye
HP: 60
Atk: 85
Def: 69
SpA: 60
SpD: 69
Spe: 77

BST: 420

#506Yooterii (Lv. 16 -->) #507Haaderia (Lv.32 -->)
#508Muurando
Normal
Intimidate/"Sand Throw"
HP: 85
Atk: 100
Def: 90
SpA: 45
SpD: 90
Spe: 80

BST: 490

#509Choroneko (Lv. 20 -->)
#510Reparudasu
Dark
Limber/Unburden
HP: 64
Atk: 88
Def: 50
SpA: 88
SpD: 50
Spe: 106

BST: 446

#511Yanappu (Leaf Stone -->)
#512Yanakki
Grass
Gluttony
HP: 75
Atk: 98
Def: 63
SpA: 98
SpD: 63
Spe: 101

BST: 498

#513Baoppu (Fire Stone -->)
#514Baokki
Fire
Gluttony
HP: 75
Atk: 98
Def: 63
SpA: 98
SpD: 63
Spe: 101

BST: 498

#515Hiyappu (Water Stone -->)
#516Hiyakki
Water
Gluttony
HP: 75
Atk: 98
Def: 63
SpA: 98
SpD: 63
Spe: 101

BST: 498

#517Munna (Moon Stone -->)
#518Musharna
Psychic
Forewarn/Synchronize
HP: 116
Atk: 65
Def: 85
SpA: 107
SpD: 95
Spe: 29

BST: 497

#519Mamepato (Lv. 21 -->) #520Hatoobo (Lv. 32 -->)
#521Kenhorou
Normal/Flying
"Pigeon Heart"/Super Luck
HP: 80
Atk: 105
Def: 80
SpA: 65
SpD: 55
Spe: 93

BST: 478

#522Shimama (Lv. 27 -->)
#523Zeburaika
Electric
Lightningrod/Motor Drive
HP: 75
Atk: 100
Def: 63
SpA: 80
SpD: 63
Spe: 116

BST: 497

#524Danguro (Lv. 25 -->) #525Gantoru (Trade -->)
#526Gigaiasu
Rock
Sturdy
HP: 85
Atk: 135
Def: 130
SpA: 60
SpD: 70
Spe: 25

BST: 505

#527Koromori (Level up in Summer -->)
#528Kokoromori
Psychic/Flying
Unaware/Klutz
HP: 67
Atk: 57
Def: 55
SpA: 77
SpD: 55
Spe: 114

BST: 425

#529Mogeryuu (Lv. 31 -->)
#530Doryuuzu
Ground/Steel
"Sand Throw"/"Sand Power"
HP: 110
Atk: 135
Def: 60
SpA: 50
SpD: 65
Spe: 88

BST: 508

#531Tabunne
Normal
"Healing Heart"/"Regeneration"
HP: 103
Atk: 60
Def: 86
SpA: 60
SpD: 86
Spe: 50

BST: 445

#532Dokkoraa (Lv. 25 -->) #533Dotekkotsu (Trade -->)
#534Roopushin
Fighting
Guts/"Encourage"
HP: 105
Atk: 140
Def: 95
SpA: 55
SpD: 65
Spe: 45

BST: 505

#535Otamaru (Lv. 25 -->) #536Gamagaru (Lv. 36 -->)
#537Gamageroge
Water/Ground
Swift Swim/"Poison Skin"
HP: 105
Atk: 85
Def: 75
SpA: 85
SpD: 75
Spe: 74

BST: 499

#538Nageki
Fighting
Guts/Inner Focus
HP: 120
Atk: 100
Def: 85
SpA: 30
SpD: 85
Spe: 45

BST: 465

#539Dageki
Fighting
Sturdy/Inner Focus
HP: 75
Atk: 125
Def: 75
SpA: 30
SpD: 75
Spe: 85

BST: 465

#540Kurumiru (Lv. 20 -->) #541Kurumayu (Level up in Summer -->)
#542Hahakomori
Bug/Grass
Swarm/Chlorophyll
HP: 75
Atk: 103
Def: 80
SpA: 70
SpD: 70
Spe: 93

BST: 491

#543Fushide (Lv. 22 -->) #544Hoiiga (Lv. 30 -->)
#545Pendoraa
Bug/Poison
Poison Point/Swarm
HP: 60
Atk: 90
Def: 89
SpA: 55
SpD: 69
Spe: 112

BST: 475

#546Monmen (Sun Stone -->)
#547Erufuun
Grass
"Mischievous Heart"/"Slip Through"
HP: 60
Atk: 67
Def: 85
SpA: 77
SpD: 75
Spe: 116

BST: 480

#548Churine (Sun Stone -->)
#549Doredia
Grass
Chlorophyll/Own Tempo
HP: 70
Atk: 60
Def: 75
SpA: 110
SpD: 75
Spe: 90

BST: 480

#550Basrao
Water
Reckless/Adaptability
HP: 70
Atk: 92
Def: 65
SpA: 80
SpD: 55
Spe: 98

BST: 460

#551Meguroko (Lv. 29 -->) #552Warubiru (Lv. 40 -->)
#553Warubiaru
Ground/Dark
Intimidate/"Earthquake Spiral"
HP: 95
Atk: 117
Def: 70
SpA: 65
SpD: 70
Spe: 92

BST: 509

#554Darumakka (Lv. 35 -->)
#555Hihidaruma
Fire
"Encourage"
HP: 105
Atk: 140
Def: 55
SpA: 30
SpD: 55
Spe: 95

BST: 480

Daruma Mode
Fire/Psychic
HP: 105
Atk: 30
Def: 105
SpA: 140
SpD: 105
Spe: 55

BST: 540

#556Marakacchi
Grass
Water Absorb/Chlorophyll
HP: 75
Atk: 86
Def: 67
SpA: 106
SpD: 67
Spe: 60

BST: 461

#557Ishizumai (Lv. 34 -->)
#558Iwaparesu
Bug/Rock
Sturdy/Shell Armor
HP: 70
Atk: 95
Def: 125
SpA: 65
SpD: 75
Spe: 45

BST: 475

#559Zuruggu (Lv. 39 -->)
#560Zuruzukin
Dark/Fighting
Shed Skin/"Earthquake Spiral"
HP: 65
Atk: 90
Def: 115
SpA: 45
SpD: 115
Spe: 58

BST: 488

#561Shinboraa
Psychic/Flying
"Miracle Skin"/Magic Guard
HP: 72
Atk: 58
Def: 80
SpA: 103
SpD: 80
Spe: 97

BST: 490

#562Desumasu (Lv. 34 -->)
#563Desukaan
Ghost
Mummy
HP: 58
Atk: 50
Def: 145
SpA: 95
SpD: 105
Spe: 30

BST: 483

#564Purotooga (Lv. 37 -->)
#565Abagoora
Water/Rock
Solid Rock/Sturdy
HP: 74
Atk: 108
Def: 133
SpA: 83
SpD: 65
Spe: 32

BST: 495

#566Aaken (Lv. 37 -->)
#567Aakeosu
Rock/Flying
"Weak-kneed"
HP: 75
Atk: 140
Def: 65
SpA: 112
SpD: 65
Spe: 110

BST: 567

#568Yabakuron (Lv. 36 -->)
#569Dasutodasu
Poison
Stench/"Broken Armour"
HP: 80
Atk: 95
Def: 82
SpA: 60
SpD: 82
Spe: 75

BST: 474

#570Zoroa (Lv. 30 -->)
#571Zoroark
Dark
Illusion
HP: 60
Atk: 105
Def: 60
SpA: 120
SpD: 60
Spe: 105

BST: 510

#572Chillarmy (Shiny Stone -->)
#573Chirachiino
Normal
Cute Charm/Technician
HP: 75
Atk: 95
Def: 60
SpA: 65
SpD: 60
Spe: 115

BST: 470

#574Gochimu (Lv. 32 -->) #575Gochimiru (Lv. 41 -->)
#576Gochiruzeru
Psychic
Frisk
HP: 70
Atk: 55
Def: 95
SpA: 95
SpD: 110
Spe: 65

BST: 490

#577Yuniran (Lv. 32 -->) #578Daburan (Lv. 41 -->)
#579Rankurusu
Psychic
"Dustproof"/Magic Guard
HP: 110
Atk: 65
Def: 75
SpA: 125
SpD: 85
Spe: 30

BST: 490

#580Koaruhii (Lv. 35 -->)
#581Swanna
Water/Flying
Keen Eye/"Pigeon Heart"
HP: 75
Atk: 87
Def: 63
SpA: 87
SpD: 63
Spe: 98

BST: 473

#582Banipucchi (Lv. 35 -->) #583Baniricchi (Lv. 47 -->)
#584Baibanira
Ice
Ice Body
HP: 71
Atk: 95
Def: 85
SpA: 110
SpD: 95
Spe: 79

BST: 535

#585Shikijika (Lv. 37 -->)
#586Mebukijika
Normal/Grass
Chlorophyll/"Herbivore"
HP: 80
Atk: 100
Def: 70
SpA: 60
SpD: 70
Spe: 95

BST: 475

#587Emonga
Electric/Flying
Static
HP: 55
Atk: 75
Def: 60
SpA: 75
SpD: 60
Spe: 103

BST: 428

#588Kaburuchi (Trade with Chobomaki -->)
#589Shubarugo
Bug/Steel
Swarm/Shell Armor
HP: 70
Atk: 135
Def: 105
SpA: 60
SpD: 105
Spe: 20

BST: 495

#590Damagetake (Lv. 39 -->)
#591Morobareru
Grass/Poison
Effect Spore
HP: 114
Atk: 85
Def: 70
SpA: 80
SpD: 80
Spe: 30

BST: 459

#592Pururiru (Lv. 40 -->)
#593Burunkeru
Water/Ghost.
Water Absorb/"Cursed Body"
HP: 100
Atk: 60
Def: 70
SpA: 85
SpD: 105
Spe: 60

BST: 480

#594Mamanbou
Water
"Healing Heart"/Hydration
HP: 165
Atk: 75
Def: 80
SpA: 40
SpD: 45
Spe: 65

BST: 470

#595Bachuru (Lv. 36 -->)
#596Denchura
Bug/Electric
Compoundeyes/"Anxiety"
HP: 70
Atk: 77
Def: 60
SpA: 97
SpD: 60
Spe: 108

BST: 472

#597Desshiido (Lv. 40 -->)
#598Nattorei
Grass/Steel
"Iron Barbs"
HP: 89
Atk: 94
Def: 131
SpA: 49
SpD: 116
Spe: 20

BST: 499

#599Giaru (Lv. 38 -->) #600Gigiaru (Lv. 49 -->)
#601Gigigiaru
Steel
Plus/Minus
HP: 60
Atk: 100
Def: 115
SpA: 70
SpD: 85
Spe: 90

BST: 520

#602Shibishirasu (Lv. 39 -->) #603Shibibiiru (Thunderstone -->)
#604Shibirudon
Electric
Levitate
HP: 85
Atk: 115
Def: 80
SpA: 105
SpD: 80
Spe: 50

BST: 515

#605Riguree (Lv. 42 -->)
#606Oobemu
Psychic
Telepathy/Synchronize
HP: 75
Atk: 75
Def: 75
SpA: 125
SpD: 95
Spe: 40

BST: 485

#607Hitomoshi (Lv. 41 -->) #608Ranpuraa (Dush Stone -->)
609Shanderaa
Ghost/Fire
Flash Fire/Flame Body
HP: 60
Atk: 55
Def: 90
SpA: 145
SpD: 90
Spe: 80

BST: 520

#610Kibago (Lv. 38 -->) #611Onondo (Lv. 48 -->)
#612Ononokusu
Dragon
Rivalry/Mold Breaker
HP: 76
Atk: 147
Def: 90
SpA: 60
SpD: 70
Spe: 97

BST: 540

#613Kumashun (Lv. 39 -->)
#614Tsunbeaa
Ice
Snow Cloak
HP: 95
Atk: 110
Def: 80
SpA: 70
SpD: 80
Spe: 50

BST: 485

#615Furiijio
Ice
Levitate
HP: 70
Atk: 50
Def: 30
SpA: 95
SpD: 135
Spe: 105

BST: 485

#616Chobomaki (Trade with Kaburuchi -->)
#617Agirudaa
Bug
Hydration/Sticky Hold
HP: 80
Atk: 70
Def: 40
SpA: 100
SpD: 60
Spe: 145

BST: 495

#618Maggyo
Ground/Electric
Static/Limber
HP: 109
Atk: 66
Def: 84
SpA: 81
SpD: 99
Spe: 32

BST: 471

#619Kojofuu (Lv. 50 -->)
#620Kojondo
Fighting
Inner Focus/"Regeneration"
HP: 65
Atk: 125
Def: 60
SpA: 95
SpD: 60
Spe: 105

BST: 510

#621Kurimugan
Dragon
Rough Skin/"Encourage"
HP: 77
Atk: 120
Def: 90
SpA: 60
SpD: 90
Spe: 48

BST: 485

#622Gobitto (Lv. 43 -->)
#623Goruggo
Ground/Ghost
Iron Fist/Klutz
HP: 89
Atk: 124
Def: 80
SpA: 55
SpD: 80
Spe: 55

BST: 483

#624Komatana (Lv. 52 -->)
#625Kirikizan
Dark/Steel
"Competitive Spirit"/Inner Focus
HP: 65
Atk: 125
Def: 100
SpA: 60
SpD: 70
Spe: 70

BST: 490

#626Baffuron
Normal
Reckless/"Herbivore"
HP: 95
Atk: 100
Def: 95
SpA: 40
SpD: 95
Spe: 55

BST: 480

#627Washibon (Lv. 54 -->)
#628Uooguru
Normal/Flying
Keen Eye/"Encourage"
HP: 100
Atk: 123
Def: 75
SpA: 57
SpD: 75
Spe: 80

BST: 510

#629Baruchai (Lv. 54 -->)
#630Barujiina
Dark/Flying
"Pigeon Heart"/"Dustproof"
HP: 110
Atk: 65
Def: 105
SpA: 55
SpD: 95
Spe: 80

BST: 510

#631Kuitaran
Fire
Gluttony/Flash Fire
HP: 85
Atk: 97
Def: 66
SpA: 105
SpD: 66
Spe: 65

BST: 484

#632Aianto
Bug/Steel
Swarm/Hustle
HP: 58
Atk: 109
Def: 112
SpA: 48
SpD: 48
Spe: 109

BST: 484

#633Monozu (Lv. 50 -->) #634Jiheddo(Lv. 64 -->)
#635Sazando
Dark/Dragon
Levitate
HP: 92
Atk: 105
Def: 90
SpA: 125
SpD: 90
Spe: 98

BST: 600

#636Meraruba (Lv. 59 -->)
#637Urugamosu
Bug/Fire
Flame Body
HP: 85
Atk: 60
Def: 65
SpA: 135
SpD: 105
Spe: 100

BST: 550

#638Kobaruon
Steel/Fighting
"Justice Heart"
HP: 91
Atk: 90
Def: 129
SpA: 90
SpD: 72
Spe: 108

BST: 580

#639Terakion
Rock/Fighting
"Justice Heart"
HP: 91
Atk: 129
Def: 90
SpA: 72
SpD: 90
Spe: 108

BST: 580

#640Birijion
Grass/Fighting
"Justice Heart"
HP: 91
Atk: 90
Def: 72
SpA: 90
SpD: 129
Spe: 108

BST: 580

#641Torunerosu
Flying
"Mischievous Heart"
HP: 79
Atk: 115
Def: 70
SpA: 125
SpD: 80
Spe: 111

BST: 580

#642Borutorosu
Electric/Flying
"Mischievous Heart"
HP: 79
Atk: 115
Def: 70
SpA: 125
SpD: 80
Spe: 111

BST: 580

#643Reshiram
Dragon/Fire
Turboblaze
HP: 105
Atk: 120
Def: 100
SpA: 150
SpD: 120
Spe: 90

BST: 685

#644Zekrom
Dragon/Electric
Teravoltage
HP: 105
Atk: 150
Def: 120
SpA: 120
SpD: 100
Spe: 90

BST: 685

#645Randorosu
Ground/Flying
"Sand Power"
HP: 79
Atk: 125
Def: 90
SpA: 115
SpD: 80
Spe: 101

BST: 590

#646Kyuremu
Dragon/Ice
Pressure
HP: 125
Atk: 130
Def: 90
SpA: 130
SpD: 90
Spe: 95

BST: 660

#647Kerudio
Water/Fighting
"Justice Heart"
HP: 91
Atk: 72
Def: 90
SpA: 129
SpD: 90
Spe: 108

BST: 580

#648Meroetta
Normal/Psychic
Serene Grace
HP: 100
Atk: 77
Def: 77
SpA: 128
SpD: 128
Spe: 90

BST: 600

"Step Forme"
Normal/Fighting
HP: 100
Atk: 128
Def: 90
SpA: 77
SpD: 77
Spe: 128

BST: 600

#649Genosekuto
Bug/Steel
Download
HP: 71
Atk: 120
Def: 95
SpA: 120
SpD: 95
Spe: 99

BST: 600

Seems like the average evolving level is like 30-35. Thats outrageous.

Timbjerr September 17th, 2010 2:32 AM

The thing that actually intrigues me the most is the relatively high evolution levels for most of these pokemon. Between that and the E4 champion having a lv.70 pokemon, I have a feeling the level curve for this game is going to be really high. This either means a lot of level grinding to keep up or an organically lengthened game with plenty of exp. opportunities.

I'm hoping for the latter. :D

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 20th, 2010 6:32 AM

Evolution lv's and Methods
 
This thread is to discuss what you think of the levels in which Pokemon evolve.
Also some old pokemon like Feebas has a new way of Evolving according to Serebii you need to get an item called the clear scale and attach it to Feebas and trade it as there is no beauty stat in BW, I wonder if they will do something similar to the Eeveelutions...
Also I think that some pokemon evolution levels are too high...the highest pokemon in BW that can evolve by level is like 60+...the highest ever...

Ho-Oh September 20th, 2010 6:36 AM

We're using the base stats/evolution requirements thread to discuss this. :(

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 20th, 2010 6:40 AM

Did this thread change it's name...I thought it was only the Base stat, oh well :P
Well I think the lv numbers are quite nice as it would make me lv them up more but it will take quite a bit specially in the beginning to evolve your Wargle by the time you get to the last gym though it should be evolved...actually that's why I think they made that Pre evolution item that up D and SD...

Ho-Oh September 20th, 2010 6:43 AM

It was evolutions / base stats, but I just edited it to evolutions in general. XD;

The only evolution I really care about is Denchura's - which, should have been sooner imo.

Pandesal September 20th, 2010 6:50 AM

As long as my favourites don't need to be traded to evolve, I'm happy regardless of the required level. Though I've heard it's harder to grind levels in these games than before...?

JP September 20th, 2010 7:05 AM

Are there any new methods of evolution? I remember hearing about how Zorua had a new way of evolving when it came to Zoroark, but I don't suppose that actually happened? XD

The Red Chain September 20th, 2010 2:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JP (Post 6169790)
I remember hearing about how Zorua had a new way of evolving when it came to Zoroark, but I don't suppose that actually happened? XD

Unfortunately nothing special happened. D:
It evolves at level 30 into Zoroark apparently, pretty much saying it's not a baby Pokemon.
Those require happiness to evolve typically. XD


JP September 20th, 2010 5:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Red Chain (Post 6170640)

Unfortunately nothing special happened. D:
It evolves at level 30 into Zoroark apparently, pretty much saying it's not a baby Pokemon.
Those require happiness to evolve typically. XD


That's pretty disappointing. :( XD I looked a bit more and I guess the only new one is with those shell Pokemon that you have to trade with one another. Cool idea, shame it's the only new one though.

Spikey-Eared Pichu September 20th, 2010 5:46 PM

Soooo, Serebii has informed us that Feebas now evolved via the lameoid "Hold Item+Trade" method. Anyone else disappointed by this?

The Red Chain September 20th, 2010 6:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spikey-Eared Pichu (Post 6171004)
Soooo, Serebii has informed us that Feebas now evolved via the lameoid "Hold Item+Trade" method. Anyone else disappointed by this?

I'm not. Maxing out beauty on Feebas was always a huge pain in the butt.
But that may have happened because of the lack of contests and contest stats on the summary screen? Oh well, I'm not bothered anyway. XD


fenyx4 September 21st, 2010 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spikey-Eared Pichu (Post 6171004)
Soooo, Serebii has informed us that Feebas now evolved via the lameoid "Hold Item+Trade" method. Anyone else disappointed by this?

Yeah, I'm disappointed. The "maxing out Beauty" requirement was a nice little quirk. Not only was Feebas insanely hard to locate, its method of evolving was a puzzle in itself, so obtaining a Milotic was like a fleeting dream.

Without a guide/walkthrough, the only way I could see a typical player evolving it is if he/she just so happened to prepare Feebas to enter the Beauty Pokemon Contests. Moreover, you usually level up the Pokemon you spend time with, so the level-up thing might have been covered... Other than that, the only clue you had was Milotic commonly being cited as one of the most beautiful Pokemon ever. I'm already annoyed that Contest stats were (apparently) removed in BW, and that virtually destroyed one of the nicer aspects of Feebas' that made the little fish so unique, aside from its infamous rarity.

On a side-note, I've been hearing talk about a Power Ranger Pokemon... It'd be awesome if to evolve it via maxing out the Cool attribute of its Condition... :D (if it even has an evolution, I don't know for sure)

Kuni Kagami September 25th, 2010 12:17 AM

High Evfolution levels
 
So i'm playing my version and look around at the levels for my team evolution ...
And my god most of my team evolve over level 50.
Not complaining but i usually don't work toward that level for evolutions unless its a dragonite.
But i do think its a bit of freshair from the norm

Zenith95s September 25th, 2010 12:21 AM

Whoa!
I think that it's because of the great strong Pokémon in Isshu.

Ho-Oh September 25th, 2010 7:50 AM

Just a note - due to evolutions discussion being popular, I moved the existing posts from the base stats thread to a new thread based on what was posted first about evolutions, so yeah.

ManhattanTheStarr September 25th, 2010 8:16 AM

Something I've noticed with the Pokemon in B/W, is that most of them have final evolutions (or first stages) that don't even look like they belong in their evolution lines.

For example...
http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/501.pnghttp://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/502.pnghttp://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/503.png Heh, I'm sure lots of people have noticed this one. I mean, just look at Mijumaru and Futachimaru. They both have the rounded heads, small pointed ears, and somewhat cartoon-like looking shells. You can see the similarity very well. But what's up with Daikenki (I don't even know if that's how you spell it x3)? It suddenly went quadrupedal, and lost every shred of a resemblance that it had to its predecessors.
http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/519.pnghttp://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/520.pnghttp://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/521.png Look at the final stage compared to the rest. See any resemblance? I don't get why its chest suddenly turned green, and it lost the pink color in its feet. It doesn't even look like a pigeon anymore. It looks like a quail, or some kind of peacock. =/
http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/524.pnghttp://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/525.pnghttp://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/526.pngIn this line, it's the first stage that looks out of place. It has no claws like its evolutions, and doesn't have the red spikes. Instead, they're brown. Not really a HUGE difference, but I just wanted to point that one out. :P
http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/551.pnghttp://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/552.pnghttp://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/553.pngWait, what? What's with the red color? I find it strange that this line kept the same colors for two stages, then suddenly changed. If the middle stage had a different color as well, then it would work out, IMO. But this seems kinda... random, don'tcha think?
http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/562.pnghttp://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/563.pngOnce again, look at the first stage. WHAT IS IT? It definitely doesn't look like something Desukan would evolve from. Even if they both have the little cat mask thing. =/
http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/585.pnghttp://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/586.pngThe problem with this line, IMO, is that the first stage looks more cartoonish and feminine, but the final form looks like an actual dear, and somehow became masculine. I still like these two, though. :>

http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/602.pnghttp://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/603.pnghttp://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/604.pngWhat's up with diiiiis? First it looks like a...uhhh...y'know (^^'), then turns into an eel. It just seems strange to me. :x
http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/619.pnghttp://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/620.pngOK, I REALLY don't get this one. The first stage looks like something out of Winnie The Pooh (or Winnie The Pooh himself!), then it becomes all feminine lookin', and looks like an Espeon. O_o

But yeah, I just wanted to say that. x3
I think GF may be trying something new with the evolutions n' stuff. I'm also not very fond of the extreme leveling gaps between some Pokemon. >:/

Devil Flamingo September 25th, 2010 10:55 AM

Eh, I like the unexpected evolutions. It's better than evolutions like Chillachino which look just like its previous one, except slightly bigger, and obviously with better stats and more fur. I know some people dislike it, and while I do not (I think it's cute and I like its scarf-fur), I really do think that for something that evolves with a stone it should have changed lots more. O_o

Anyways, I'm actually cool with Feebas' new evolution method; I honestly love Milotic but since the 4th gen he's been inferior to many a bulky water, so it's pointless to continue to evolve this thing via such a complex method when it's not even all that good to begin with. It does take the uniqueness out of its evolution method, though; I'm starting to think GF hates it for some reason and that's why all they gave it this gen was Cute Charm (via DW... can you say idiotic? the hell is she supposed to do with that?) and a common evo method. :>

Finally, I'm actually annoyed with some evolution levels. There's no reason why our toxic pokeball mushroom friend should evolve at level 39, seriously; it's going to be a struggle raising the little thing, but at least you'll be rewarded somewhat because as far as Grass/Poison types go it's got the best defenses of any of them (barring Venusaur) and the best ability to work with it (Regeneration via DW, though Effect Spore isn't bad).

Of course, in the case of stuff like Urgamoth it sorta makes sense, since it's an epic fire moth, although I still think level 59 is a bit too much; it should have evolved at level 45-50, or else with a Fire Stone or Sun Stone, since it's not like the bug is common anyway so you wouldn't find such a powerful Pokemon right away. :P

Makbets September 25th, 2010 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Devil Flamingo (Post 6180481)
Eh, I like the unexpected evolutions. It's better than evolutions like Chillachino which look just like its previous one, except slightly bigger, and obviously with better stats and more fur. I know some people dislike it, and while I do not (I think it's cute and I like its scarf-fur), I really do think that for something that evolves with a stone it should have changed lots more. O_o

Anyways, I'm actually cool with Feebas' new evolution method; I honestly love Milotic but since the 4th gen he's been inferior to many a bulky water, so it's pointless to continue to evolve this thing via such a complex method when it's not even all that good to begin with. It does take the uniqueness out of its evolution method, though; I'm starting to think GF hates it for some reason and that's why all they gave it this gen was Cute Charm (via DW... can you say idiotic? the hell is she supposed to do with that?) and a common evo method. :>

Finally, I'm actually annoyed with some evolution levels. There's no reason why our toxic pokeball mushroom friend should evolve at level 39, seriously; it's going to be a struggle raising the little thing, but at least you'll be rewarded somewhat because as far as Grass/Poison types go it's got the best defenses of any of them (barring Venusaur) and the best ability to work with it (Regeneration via DW, though Effect Spore isn't bad).

Of course, in the case of stuff like Urgamoth it sorta makes sense, since it's an epic fire moth, although I still think level 59 is a bit too much; it should have evolved at level 45-50, or else with a Fire Stone or Sun Stone, since it's not like the bug is common anyway so you wouldn't find such a powerful Pokemon right away. :P

I agree, unexpected evolutions are better then expected...

Åzurε September 25th, 2010 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ManhattanTheStarr (Post 6180353)
Something I've noticed with the Pokemon in B/W, is that most of them have final evolutions (or first stages) that don't even look like they belong in their evolution lines.

For example...
http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/501.pnghttp://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/502.pnghttp://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/503.png Heh, I'm sure lots of people have noticed this one. I mean, just look at Mijumaru and Futachimaru. They both have the rounded heads, small pointed ears, and somewhat cartoon-like looking shells. You can see the similarity very well. But what's up with Daikenki (I don't even know if that's how you spell it x3)? It suddenly went quadrupedal, and lost every shred of a resemblance that it had to its predecessors.
http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/519.pnghttp://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/520.pnghttp://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/521.png Look at the final stage compared to the rest. See any resemblance? I don't get why its chest suddenly turned green, and it lost the pink color in its feet. It doesn't even look like a pigeon anymore. It looks like a quail, or some kind of peacock. =/
http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/524.pnghttp://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/525.pnghttp://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/526.pngIn this line, it's the first stage that looks out of place. It has no claws like its evolutions, and doesn't have the red spikes. Instead, they're brown. Not really a HUGE difference, but I just wanted to point that one out. :P
http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/551.pnghttp://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/552.pnghttp://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/553.pngWait, what? What's with the red color? I find it strange that this line kept the same colors for two stages, then suddenly changed. If the middle stage had a different color as well, then it would work out, IMO. But this seems kinda... random, don'tcha think?
http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/562.pnghttp://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/563.pngOnce again, look at the first stage. WHAT IS IT? It definitely doesn't look like something Desukan would evolve from. Even if they both have the little cat mask thing. =/
http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/585.pnghttp://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/586.pngThe problem with this line, IMO, is that the first stage looks more cartoonish and feminine, but the final form looks like an actual dear, and somehow became masculine. I still like these two, though. :>

http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/602.pnghttp://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/603.pnghttp://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/604.pngWhat's up with diiiiis? First it looks like a...uhhh...y'know (^^'), then turns into an eel. It just seems strange to me. :x
http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/619.pnghttp://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/620.pngOK, I REALLY don't get this one. The first stage looks like something out of Winnie The Pooh (or Winnie The Pooh himself!), then it becomes all feminine lookin', and looks like an Espeon. O_o

But yeah, I just wanted to say that. x3
I think GF may be trying something new with the evolutions n' stuff. I'm also not very fond of the extreme leveling gaps between some Pokemon. >:/

Gigiga-whatsit (the dark blue with the red spikes) is justified by it's Pokedex entry.

I think the gators can be excused for sheer awesome. Has anyone here heard their cries?

Little Desukan is a burial mask.

Shijika's line... Well, somebody's been watching Bambi.

The eel things... I think the first form is a cuttlefish or a lamprey or a leech or all of the above.

I don't think I can justify the others. xD

インフェルノの津波 September 25th, 2010 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ManhattanTheStarr (Post 6180353)
Something I've noticed with the Pokemon in B/W, is that most of them have final evolutions (or first stages) that don't even look like they belong in their evolution lines.

For example...
http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/501.pnghttp://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/502.pnghttp://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/503.png Heh, I'm sure lots of people have noticed this one. I mean, just look at Mijumaru and Futachimaru. They both have the rounded heads, small pointed ears, and somewhat cartoon-like looking shells. You can see the similarity very well. But what's up with Daikenki (I don't even know if that's how you spell it x3)? It suddenly went quadrupedal, and lost every shred of a resemblance that it had to its predecessors.
http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/519.pnghttp://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/520.pnghttp://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/521.png Look at the final stage compared to the rest. See any resemblance? I don't get why its chest suddenly turned green, and it lost the pink color in its feet. It doesn't even look like a pigeon anymore. It looks like a quail, or some kind of peacock. =/
http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/524.pnghttp://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/525.pnghttp://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/526.pngIn this line, it's the first stage that looks out of place. It has no claws like its evolutions, and doesn't have the red spikes. Instead, they're brown. Not really a HUGE difference, but I just wanted to point that one out. :P
http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/551.pnghttp://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/552.pnghttp://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/553.pngWait, what? What's with the red color? I find it strange that this line kept the same colors for two stages, then suddenly changed. If the middle stage had a different color as well, then it would work out, IMO. But this seems kinda... random, don'tcha think?
http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/562.pnghttp://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/563.pngOnce again, look at the first stage. WHAT IS IT? It definitely doesn't look like something Desukan would evolve from. Even if they both have the little cat mask thing. =/
http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/585.pnghttp://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/586.pngThe problem with this line, IMO, is that the first stage looks more cartoonish and feminine, but the final form looks like an actual dear, and somehow became masculine. I still like these two, though. :>

http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/602.pnghttp://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/603.pnghttp://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/604.pngWhat's up with diiiiis? First it looks like a...uhhh...y'know (^^'), then turns into an eel. It just seems strange to me. :x
http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/619.pnghttp://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/620.pngOK, I REALLY don't get this one. The first stage looks like something out of Winnie The Pooh (or Winnie The Pooh himself!), then it becomes all feminine lookin', and looks like an Espeon. O_o

But yeah, I just wanted to say that. x3
I think GF may be trying something new with the evolutions n' stuff. I'm also not very fond of the extreme leveling gaps between some Pokemon. >:/


I'm guessing that Warubiru has been sunbathing a lot, or maybe that's blood. Remember Charmeleon?

Anyway, Meraruba is now my favorite Pokemon. It's so cute, and I like how you receive it and how strong it becomes. Kibago's also on my list.

Kanto_Johto September 25th, 2010 1:40 PM

I heard there's a Pokemon that evolves at level 59?

That's hardcore. Seriously. I thought level 55 to get a Dragonite or Tyranitar was heavy enough.

MartinJF September 25th, 2010 1:42 PM

Well... I love The Dark-Steel line, though The final evo lost most of its awesomeness.
Chanderaa's evo line is also cool, and make sense: Candle-Chandlier. Love it :P

There Are some Crazy stats on The new pkmn.

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Originally Posted by Kanto_Johto (Post 6180913)
I heard there's a Pokemon that evolves at level 59?

That's hardcore. Seriously. I thought level 55 to get a Dragonite or Tyranitar was heavy enough.

Actually, there is a pokemon that evolves at lvl 64 :P

Kanto_Johto September 25th, 2010 1:49 PM

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Originally Posted by MartinJF (Post 6180919)
Actually, there is a pokemon that evolves at lvl 64 :P

...

*Faints*


Seriously though, that's outrageously high. Although I'm sure the Pokemon is outrageously good.

Surmonter September 25th, 2010 2:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ManhattanTheStarr (Post 6180353)
Something I've noticed with the Pokemon in B/W, is that most of them have final evolutions (or first stages) that don't even look like they belong in their evolution lines.

http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/519.pnghttp://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/520.pnghttp://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/521.png Look at the final stage compared to the rest. See any resemblance? I don't get why its chest suddenly turned green, and it lost the pink color in its feet. It doesn't even look like a pigeon anymore. It looks like a quail, or some kind of peacock. =/

I don't think you understand the concept of evolution. Also, there is tons of resemblance. You're just paying attention to color, which doesn't matter at all. And that pink mask is only for the male form.
http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/524.pnghttp://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/525.pnghttp://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/526.pngIn this line, it's the first stage that looks out of place. It has no claws like its evolutions, and doesn't have the red spikes. Instead, they're brown. Not really a HUGE difference, but I just wanted to point that one out. :P

Again, I don't think you understand the concept of evolution. Also, the red spikes are justified.
http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/551.pnghttp://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/552.pnghttp://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/553.pngWait, what? What's with the red color? I find it strange that this line kept the same colors for two stages, then suddenly changed. If the middle stage had a different color as well, then it would work out, IMO. But this seems kinda... random, don'tcha think?

Color doesn't matter, at all. Things change colors in nature. Don't see why Pokemon can't.
http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/562.pnghttp://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/563.pngOnce again, look at the first stage. WHAT IS IT? It definitely doesn't look like something Desukan would evolve from. Even if they both have the little cat mask thing. =/

It's an Egyptian burial mask. The second stage is an Egyptian burial coffin. Makes perfect sense to me.


http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/602.pnghttp://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/603.pnghttp://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/604.pngWhat's up with diiiiis? First it looks like a...uhhh...y'know (^^'), then turns into an eel. It just seems strange to me. :x

They're leeches, not eels. Also, since leeches do not need to live in water, and they do not breathe water either, that explains the lack of water type. Although I do think they should have been Poison or Bug as a primary type and not only electric.

My comments are in the red.

dragoniteuser September 25th, 2010 2:09 PM

I had really high hopes fot the pidgein Pokemon. In my opinion they ruined it.
But I love Gigaiasu evo line! In my opinion three best pokemon of the V gen!

Devil Flamingo September 25th, 2010 2:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kanto_Johto (Post 6180913)
I heard there's a Pokemon that evolves at level 59?

That's hardcore. Seriously. I thought level 55 to get a Dragonite or Tyranitar was heavy enough.

Yep, Meraruba the caterpillar (Bug/Fire) evolves into Urugamosu the moth (Bug/Fire).

And the one that reaches its final stage at level 64 is our pseudo-legendary (Dark/Dragon hydra called Sazando; nicknamed Hydragon).

- - - - - - - - -

@Surmonter:

Actually, I would argue that they are lampreys, not leeches, and the electric typing comes from the so-called electric eel (which is not an eel, or a lamprey for that matter). Why it doesn't have a Water typing is beyond me, but then again, who cares? It doesn't need it, since it's got Levitate, which makes it awesome 'cause it has no weak. I won't be using it because it looks gross and disgusting to me (just like real leeches, eels, lampreys and electric eels) but yeah, I don't think it's a leech. However, perhaps it's based on elements of all these critters combined...?

What do you think?

ManhattanTheStarr September 25th, 2010 4:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Surmonter (Post 6180994)
My comments are in the red.

I don't understand evolution? OK, sure. Not gonna argue about it. =/

King Gumball September 25th, 2010 4:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ManhattanTheStarr http://www.pokecommunity.com/images/templates/generationv/buttons/viewpost.png

Something I've noticed with the Pokemon in B/W, is that most of them have final evolutions (or first stages) that don't even look like they belong in their evolution lines.
Spoiler:

http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/519.pnghttp://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/520.pnghttp://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/521.png Look at the final stage compared to the rest. See any resemblance? I don't get why its chest suddenly turned green, and it lost the pink color in its feet. It doesn't even look like a pigeon anymore. It looks like a quail, or some kind of peacock. =/

I don't think you understand the concept of evolution. Also, there is tons of resemblance. You're just paying attention to color, which doesn't matter at all. And that pink mask is only for the male form.
http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/524.pnghttp://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/525.pnghttp://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/526.pngIn this line, it's the first stage that looks out of place. It has no claws like its evolutions, and doesn't have the red spikes. Instead, they're brown. Not really a HUGE difference, but I just wanted to point that one out. :P

Again, I don't think you understand the concept of evolution. Also, the red spikes are justified.
http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/551.pnghttp://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/552.pnghttp://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/553.pngWait, what? What's with the red color? I find it strange that this line kept the same colors for two stages, then suddenly changed. If the middle stage had a different color as well, then it would work out, IMO. But this seems kinda... random, don'tcha think?

Color doesn't matter, at all. Things change colors in nature. Don't see why Pokemon can't.
http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/562.pnghttp://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/563.pngOnce again, look at the first stage. WHAT IS IT? It definitely doesn't look like something Desukan would evolve from. Even if they both have the little cat mask thing. =/

It's an Egyptian burial mask. The second stage is an Egyptian burial coffin. Makes perfect sense to me.


http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/602.pnghttp://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/603.pnghttp://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/604.pngWhat's up with diiiiis? First it looks like a...uhhh...y'know (^^'), then turns into an eel. It just seems strange to me. :x

They're leeches, not eels. Also, since leeches do not need to live in water, and they do not breathe water either, that explains the lack of water type. Although I do think they should have been Poison or Bug as a primary type and not only electric.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Surmonter (Post 6180994)
My comments are in the red.

I am pretty sure they were lamprey's not leeches.

- Manhattan the Starr- I dont think http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/521.pngis meant to be a pidgeon anymore. Silimilar to the peacocks the males are colourful so they can attract females.\

Ad with the lamprey line I dont know what the first evo is... It could be the larvae.

ManhattanTheStarr September 25th, 2010 4:49 PM

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Originally Posted by King Gumball (Post 6181561)
I am pretty sure they were lamprey's not leeches.

- Manhattan the Starr- I dont think http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/521.pngis meant to be a pidgeon anymore. Silimilar to the peacocks the males are colourful so they can attract females.\

Ad with the lamprey line I dont know what the first evo is... It could be the larvae.

Hmmm, that's what I was thinking. :3
The way the males are colorful and the females aren't is basically what gave me that thought. :P

solspear September 25th, 2010 4:53 PM

Caterpie => (level 7) Metapod => (level 10) Butterfree
Kurumiru => (level 20) Kurumayu => (happiness) Hahakomori

They are stronger, but they are a pain in the arse to evolve compared to the good old times

Devil Flamingo September 25th, 2010 5:06 PM

...Speaking of Kenhorou, you guys do realize some of the world's most colourful birds are pigeons and doves, right? I realize the rock pigeon (or common pigeon) is everywhere so one can't help but associate them with dull colours but anyways, the kereru says hi, and check out fruit doves, and don't forget the crowned pigeons, which are actually ground-dwelling birds! Plus Kenhorou has elements of pheasants and such gamebirds, etc. Not trying to show off my knowledge of birds, but though I'd point out that colourful pigeons are far more common than you'd think. ;P

GF isn't making anything up here; dazzling colourful pigeons (male and female) are real. :3

PlatinumDude September 25th, 2010 5:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by solspear (Post 6181592)
Caterpie => (level 7) Metapod => (level 10) Butterfree
Kurumiru => (level 20) Kurumayu => (happiness) Hahakomori

They are stronger, but they are a pain in the arse to evolve compared to the good old times

Maybe the tough evolution methods were made to compensate for the relatively high base stats the new Bug Pokemon have. (like the Fushide line evolving at level 22 and then again at level 30)

ManhattanTheStarr September 25th, 2010 5:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Devil Flamingo (Post 6181638)
...Speaking of Kenhorou, you guys do realize some of the world's most colourful birds are pigeons and doves, right? I realize the rock pigeon (or common pigeon) is everywhere so one can't help but associate them with dull colours but anyways, the kereru says hi, and check out fruit doves, and don't forget the crowned pigeons, which are actually ground-dwelling birds! Plus Kenhorou has elements of pheasants and such gamebirds, etc. Not trying to show off my knowledge of birds, but though I'd point out that colourful pigeons are far more common than you'd think. ;P

GF isn't making anything up here; dazzling colourful pigeons (male and female) are real. :3

Wow, that's interesting. :0
But the female Kenhorou is FAR away from colorful. x3
(Even though they look WAY better than the males, IMO)

King Gumball September 25th, 2010 6:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Devil Flamingo (Post 6181638)
...Speaking of Kenhorou, you guys do realize some of the world's most colourful birds are pigeons and doves, right? I realize the rock pigeon (or common pigeon) is everywhere so one can't help but associate them with dull colours but anyways, the kereru says hi, and check out fruit doves, and don't forget the crowned pigeons, which are actually ground-dwelling birds! Plus Kenhorou has elements of pheasants and such gamebirds, etc. Not trying to show off my knowledge of birds, but though I'd point out that colourful pigeons are far more common than you'd think. ;P

GF isn't making anything up here; dazzling colourful pigeons (male and female) are real. :3

Yeah, I went to the zoo a couple of months ago and almost all the bird in the walk through bird enclosure were super colourful and exotic species of doves, pidgeons, quails and pheasants. The 4 birds that when people think of them they think ugly colours and disgusting city birds, which is completely untrue. Does anyone know what type of dove/pidgeon/quial/pheasanthttp://veekun.com:81/dex/media/black-white/521.pngis?

Surmonter September 25th, 2010 6:28 PM

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Originally Posted by solspear (Post 6181592)
Caterpie => (level 7) Metapod => (level 10) Butterfree
Kurumiru => (level 20) Kurumayu => (happiness) Hahakomori

They are stronger, but they are a pain in the arse to evolve compared to the good old times

Pokemon in general are harder to evolve this generation.

We have the highest evolution level ever in this generation, and tons of Pokemon that don't evolve out of their very weak form until the late 40's or 50's!

Urugamosu's pre-evo is pretty weak, doesn't evolve until level 59.

The Dark/Dragon Pokemon's basic stage is very weak, doesn't evolve until level 50. Then that doesn't evolve again until 64. @[email protected]

Winds11 September 25th, 2010 8:33 PM

The way I see it, Shibishirasu is based on the little know larval stage of eels, better known as a Leptocephalus.


And if anything, to me, Kenhorou looks like a Bird-of-Paradise. With the extravagant plumage of the males and comparatively drab coloration of the females, it fits right in.

Planetes. September 25th, 2010 8:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Surmonter (Post 6181914)
Pokemon in general are harder to evolve this generation.

We have the highest evolution level ever in this generation, and tons of Pokemon that don't evolve out of their very weak form until the late 40's or 50's!

Urugamosu's pre-evo is pretty weak, doesn't evolve until level 59.

The Dark/Dragon Pokemon's basic stage is very weak, doesn't evolve until level 50. Then that doesn't evolve again until 64. @[email protected]

Urugamosu is supossed to be "tough" since Adeku uses it but its just a stupid moth imo

King Gumball September 25th, 2010 8:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AceDragonite (Post 6182222)
Urugamosu is supossed to be "tough" since Adeku uses it but its just a stupid moth imo


Really? I think it is a completely awesome kick-ass moth thats what it is. Have you seen its moves and stats! They are awesome!

Rankurusu September 25th, 2010 9:15 PM

I understand Game freak wanting to make Pokemon higher, but the new evolution levels are rediculous! Kurumiru doesn't evolve until level 22. That's higher then the starter's first evo!

mineowyn September 25th, 2010 9:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by solspear (Post 6181592)
Caterpie => (level 7) Metapod => (level 10) Butterfree
Kurumiru => (level 20) Kurumayu => (happiness) Hahakomori

They are stronger, but they are a pain in the arse to evolve compared to the good old times

Wait, so can someone confirm that hahakomori only evolves after you evolve kurumiru unto kurumayu, OR is the evolution line split between kurumayu and hahakomori (i.e. hahakomori is evolved from kurumiru via happiness)? Coz I have a kurumiru and bulbapedia says it can either become kurumayu or hahakomori.

Haza September 25th, 2010 10:06 PM

I dont have a problem with any of the evolutions for what they are but some of the levels are ridiculously high...

Ho-Oh September 26th, 2010 1:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Rankurusu (Post 6182283)
I understand Game freak wanting to make Pokemon higher, but the new evolution levels are rediculous! Kurumiru doesn't evolve until level 22. That's higher then the starter's first evo!

Maybe that's due to Caterpie, etc evolving so low that they weren't used often and they wanted it the newer Pokemon to be used often by the time evolution came, so that people weren't so tempted to evolve them or something.

Surmonter September 26th, 2010 5:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rankurusu (Post 6182283)
I understand Game freak wanting to make Pokemon higher, but the new evolution levels are rediculous! Kurumiru doesn't evolve until level 22. That's higher then the starter's first evo!

Kurumiru is also much much more stronger than the starters and past bug Pokemon found a the beginning of the game.

I used it in the small part of Black I did play, it pretty much sweeped everything I found that wasn't a fire type or flying type. It's evolution was 10 times better. Never got it to the final stage because I stopped playing, wanting to wait to play it on my DS.

Maruno September 27th, 2010 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Haowakeorden (Post 6184335)
I actually don't mind the high evolution levels too much, and the odd evolution levels are interesting (like 41, 47, 59, and that kind of thing).

On the subject of radical differences in Pokémon of the same evolution line, I'd say that if we accepted the Remoraid/Octillery evolution, we could probably accept most of the evolutions here.

I never accepted Remoraid/Octillery, by the way.

Despite generally not liking gimmicky evolution methods (beauty, trade with X in party, depends on stats, location, etc.), I'm actually a bit disappointed there wasn't more of a range of new evolution methods this time. All we got was seasonal trading and specific trading (the method those helmet bugs use). Everything else was boringly normal (not to mention almost entirely methods from the first two Generations). Would it have killed Game Freak to come up with a few more variants? There's currently no "level up holding item X but only above level Y" methods, and that kind of thing is obvious in its absence.

I'm not liking the stupidly high levels many Pokémon now need to evolve. The high levels are only necessary for balancing, because Game Freak were obsessed with getting everyone to use only the Gen 5 Pokémon. It's not so much "progress" as "we don't want you to use the old stuff (from back when Pokémon was good)", and I severely dislike that pressuring. Although I will admit I don't mind it quite so much because I never do competitive battling, and I'll play with Pokémon I like rather than whatever the latest powerhouse is, but I'm sure plenty of competitive players will be a bit miffed at needing to use stupid-looking "creatures" just to keep their edge. The series is spiralling out of control, more so than people like to think.

I also don't like those Pokémon that bear little or no resemblance to their previous forms (the narwhal is an obvious example, as is Octillery to bring this post round full circle).

Spikey-Eared Pichu September 27th, 2010 1:27 PM

IMO, the higher levels of evolution are positive sign that Pokemon's "evolving". Prior to Gen V, you'd have Pokemon that evolve in the low -teens and cap at around Lv.40, 55 if they were Dragons. Now, the game makes you work harder for those oh-so-powerful evolved forms. Plus, the random intervals at which they evolve adds a pleasant little twist to the game for gamers who'd probably expect their Pokemon to evolve at levels divisible by 5, 6, or 7.

The Red Chain September 27th, 2010 2:17 PM

I enjoy the high evolution levels. I doubt I will when I actually play the games, and am grinding a Pokemon up to it's evolution level. That'd probably get tedious.. but as for now, I think it's a good idea. I had forgotten Kurumiru's evolution level, and like the rest of the evolution levels I'm shocked. It's strange for a regional bug to evolve at such a high level, even exceeding the starters, but it just shows how advanced Isshu is from the rest of the regions. :3

The new evolution levels will also make people work harder to obtain their goal if they're legit or don't have money, and it may also be a partnership for Action Replay to make more money haha. XD I agree on one thing though, I am very disappointed that the evolutions are mostly just pure grinding. That's incredibly painful to do, and no one likes to do it.. but sadly there is lack of trading, conditions, and evolution stones this generation. D;

This paragraph is also painful to read. I need to go back to bed. :x


ManhattanTheStarr September 27th, 2010 2:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Spikey-Eared Pichu (Post 6186012)
IMO, the higher levels of evolution are positive sign that Pokemon's "evolving". Prior to Gen V, you'd have Pokemon that evolve in the low -teens and cap at around Lv.40, 55 if they were Dragons. Now, the game makes you work harder for those oh-so-powerful evolved forms. Plus, the random intervals at which they evolve adds a pleasant little twist to the game for gamers who'd probably expect their Pokemon to evolve at levels divisible by 5, 6, or 7.

But even weak Pokemon are taking FOREVER to evolve even to their middle stage! (Yeah, I'm looking at you Kurumiru and Fushide...) I mean, the two original bugs (Caterpie and Weedle) would be fully evolved by lvl. 10. O_o
But now, Kurumiru goes into only its second stage at lvl. 20!! Can you believe that? And I'm sure some people have seen its pretty weak stats...

And Fushide evolves into its second stage at lvl. 22, and is fully evolved by lvl.30. =/ And its stats aren't so great either... So I don't see how they expect for us to keep such weak Pokemon until they're up to lvl. 20 and 22. But I have nothing against these new bugs. They're probably my favorite bug Pokemon evuh~ :B

Even though that's not the worst I've seen when it comes to these new levels. Look at Wooguru and the vulture's pre-evolutions! They take all the way up to lvl. 54 to finally evolve. Crazy, amirite?

Surmonter September 27th, 2010 2:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ManhattanTheStarr (Post 6186154)
But even weak Pokemon are taking FOREVER to evolve even to their middle stage! (Yeah, I'm looking at you Kurumiru and Fushide...) I mean, the two original bugs (Caterpie and Weedle) would be fully evolved by lvl. 10. O_o
But now, Kurumiru goes into only its second stage at lvl. 20!! Can you believe that? And I'm sure some people have seen its pretty weak stats...

And Fushide evolves into its second stage at lvl. 22, and is fully evolved by lvl.30. =/ And its stats aren't so great either... So I don't see how they expect for us to keep such weak Pokemon until they're up to lvl. 20 and 22. But I have nothing against these new bugs. They're probably my favorite bug Pokemon evuh~ :B

Even though that's not the worst I've seen when it comes to these new levels. Look at Wooguru and the vulture's pre-evolutions! They take all the way up to lvl. 54 to finally evolve. Crazy, amirite?

I said before and I will say it again, the early stage Pokemon are really strong compared to the early stages of the past generations.

Spikey-Eared Pichu September 27th, 2010 2:26 PM

Well, to me, it seems like a good idea. I mean, look at Wooguru, beastly, correct? So why make it easy to obtain such a powerful Pokemon? That'd just make the game stupidly easy.

ManhattanTheStarr September 27th, 2010 2:37 PM

Hmmm, I guess you're right about that. Must have a Fushide in one of my teams~
And Surmonter, apparently I wasn't here when you said that. No need to act all smart about it. =/

Surmonter September 27th, 2010 2:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ManhattanTheStarr (Post 6186193)
Hmmm, I guess you're right about that. Must have a Fushide in one of my teams~
And Surmonter, apparently I wasn't here when you said that. No need to act all smart about it. =/

I wasn't acting smart, I was just saying that I said it before. o.o No need to add unnecessary tone to people's messages. =/

ManhattanTheStarr September 27th, 2010 2:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Surmonter (Post 6186205)
I wasn't acting smart, I was just saying that I said it before. o.o No need to add unnecessary tone to people's messages. =/

OK, OK... I won't argue about it. Let's just leave it at that. :<>

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 27th, 2010 3:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Spikey-Eared Pichu (Post 6186166)
Well, to me, it seems like a good idea. I mean, look at Wooguru, beastly, correct? So why make it easy to obtain such a powerful Pokemon? That'd just make the game stupidly easy.

Yeah they wouldn't but they should have been around Metagross level to evolve at least...

Spikey-Eared Pichu September 27th, 2010 3:55 PM

Now, you see, my theory is that GF has come to realize that by the time you've reached the Elite 4, you're party is already stocked with the final forms of your game's most powerful non-legends. So, they want us to work a bit more to get to that stage, making the reward all the sweeter.

Maruno September 28th, 2010 2:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spikey-Eared Pichu (Post 6186364)
Now, you see, my theory is that GF has come to realize that by the time you've reached the Elite 4, you're party is already stocked with the final forms of your game's most powerful non-legends. So, they want us to work a bit more to get to that stage, making the reward all the sweeter.

My theory, as I mentioned earlier, is that GF wanted to force people to use the new Pokémon, so they made them much stronger on purpose, and that the high evolution levels are something of a balance against their strength.

Pokémon is all about evolution, and it's pretty stupid to have half your species evolve only when you're near the end of the game. For the purists who don't look everything up on the Interweb before playing, they're just going to wind up frustrated that their Pokémon just aren't evolving.

The whole problem stems from one-upmanship.

blue September 28th, 2010 2:24 PM

Well I was surprised to see that Meraruba evolves into Urugamosu at Level 59. Before that the highest was Level 55 (Dragonair to Dragonite)

ManhattanTheStarr September 28th, 2010 2:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Suicune™ (Post 6188551)
Well I was surprised to see that Meraruba evolves into Urugamosu at Level 59. Before that the highest was Level 55 (Dragonair to Dragonite)

For reals?
And these two: http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/627.pnghttp://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/629.png
Are only 1 level under that... level 54. O_O
But I'm sure there's some sort of reason for this. GF wouldn't make such ridiculous evolution levels for no reason. :x

blue September 28th, 2010 2:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ManhattanTheStarr (Post 6188570)
For reals?
And these two: http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/627.pnghttp://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/629.png
Are only 1 level under that... level 54. O_O
But I'm sure there's some sort of reason for this. GF wouldn't make such ridiculous evolution levels for no reason. :x

Yeah, I was going to mention them two aswell, I think after they evolve they will be two really strong flying types (hence the high level evolution)

Spikey-Eared Pichu September 28th, 2010 2:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maruno (Post 6188487)
My theory, as I mentioned earlier, is that GF wanted to force people to use the new Pokémon, so they made them much stronger on purpose, and that the high evolution levels are something of a balance against their strength.

Pokémon is all about evolution, and it's pretty stupid to have half your species evolve only when you're near the end of the game. For the purists who don't look everything up on the Interweb before playing, they're just going to wind up frustrated that their Pokémon just aren't evolving.

The whole problem stems from one-upmanship.

The same theory could apply to Gen IV which gave us such abominations at Rhyperior, Magmortar, and Magnezone who were made to be "Top-of-the-game" Pokemon, and yet, they were pretty easy to obtain. Atleast Gen V actually has you working for your powerhouses instead of "Let me trade a Magmar from my friend's game with a Magmizer so I can have Magmortar before the E4 LOL".

And for the people who aren't aware of B/W at all, I don't see the high evolution levels as such a frustration for them as more of a well-earned prize for training their Pokemon so diligently.

Basically, Gen V has raised the bar to more of a "Dragonite" standard, if you will. Back in Gen 1 and 2, if you wanted one of the game's most powerful Pokemon, Dragonite, you had to work extra hard, but the pay-off was great. However, considering the amount of work you'd have to put into it, a lot of gamers shrugged it off or just traded for Dragonite. NOW, a good 70% of the Gen V Pokemon are close to this standard, making the effort more of a basic thing than a "this is abnormally hard, wtf?!!!?!?!" thing.

ManhattanTheStarr September 28th, 2010 2:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spikey-Eared Pichu (Post 6188614)
The same theory could apply to Gen IV which gave us such abominations at Rhyperior, Magmortar, and Magnezone who were made to be "Top-of-the-game" Pokemon, and yet, they were pretty easy to obtain. Atleast Gen V actually has you working for your powerhouses instead of "Let me trade a Magmar from my friend's game with a Magmizer so I can have Magmortar before the E4 LOL".

And for the people who aren't aware of B/W at all, I don't see the high evolution levels as such a frustration for them as more of a well-earned prize for training their Pokemon so diligently.

Basically, Gen V has raised the bar to more of a "Dragonite" standard, if you will. Back in Gen 1 and 2, if you wanted one of the game's most powerful Pokemon, Dragonite, you had to work extra hard, but the pay-off was great. However, considering the amount of work you'd have to put into it, a lot of gamers shrugged it off or just traded for Dragonite. NOW, a good 70% of the Gen V Pokemon are close to this standard, making the effort more of a basic thing than a "this is abnormally hard, wtf?!!!?!?!" thing.

Lol, true. :P
But I found it amazing when I saw some footage of Black where someone was trying to capture Reshiram, and they STILL had an unevolved Washibon. O_o Isn't the legendary encounter AFTER the E4?

But I think I might like this... it'll make the story seem... longer when you're halfway through the story and some of your Pokes aren't fully evolved. :3
I don't know why... but I always felt kinda empty whenever my teams became fully evolved. =/

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 28th, 2010 2:52 PM

Evolving my dragonite and Typloshion was a drag but I did feel like it was rewarding for me so Maybe it is good that they made them evolve at a high level :)

Spikey-Eared Pichu September 28th, 2010 3:31 PM

Exactly =) Glad my point got across to a few people ^_^ And, Starr, I feel the same way when my entire team is fully evolved. Kinda leaves you with that feeling of, "Ok, what now? Lv.100...eh"

BigMac September 28th, 2010 4:19 PM

everything should be evo by stone or level

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 28th, 2010 4:23 PM

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Originally Posted by BigMac (Post 6188997)
everything should be evo by stone or level

Yeah it's kind of annoying to have to trade to get gigagaia (the rock pokemon with the four legs that reminds me of Metagross+Heatran+Golem)

Spikey-Eared Pichu September 28th, 2010 4:32 PM

IMO, the reintroduction of trades to evolve is kinda welcome to me. Except for Feebas. Me no likey that.

PlatinumDude September 28th, 2010 4:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spikey-Eared Pichu (Post 6189077)
IMO, the reintroduction of trades to evolve is kinda welcome to me. Except for Feebas. Me no likey that.

Actually, Feebas evolving by trade is a godsend. It was a pain to increase its Beauty condition back in Gen III and IV. Trading a Pokemon is easier and much more convenient than raising its stats, IMO.

Spikey-Eared Pichu September 28th, 2010 5:04 PM

I know, I know, but raising Feebas's Beauty has always been its novelty. Now it's no different than Seadra. Just slap on a hold item, trade, and voila! you have a Milotic. Makes it less worth it now =(

Livewire September 28th, 2010 7:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spikey-Eared Pichu (Post 6189232)
I know, I know, but raising Feebas's Beauty has always been its novelty. Now it's no different than Seadra. Just slap on a hold item, trade, and voila! you have a Milotic. Makes it less worth it now =(

I agree it was feebas' sole claim to fame, which made it unique, but it was such a paaaiiinnn. :/ As long as I get my pretty Milotic, I'm happy. :)

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 28th, 2010 7:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Live_Wire466 (Post 6189631)


I agree it was feebas' sole claim to fame, which made it unique, but it was such a paaaiiinnn. :/ As long as I get my pretty Milotic, I'm happy. :)

yeah it was...I failed to up the beauty on two feebas' I'm glad I succeeded on my third try (actually it was my fourth my first was a success but I lost that Milotic...) on Emerald...I haven't done so for gen 4 yet...

Livewire September 28th, 2010 7:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 6189638)

yeah it was...I failed to up the beauty on two feebas' I'm glad I succeeded on my third try (actually it was my fourth my first was a success but I lost that Milotic...) on Emerald...I haven't done so for gen 4 yet...

Now if only I can get Eevee to evolve into Espeon/Umbreon with the Sun and Moon stones respectively, Ill be happy in the evolutions department. :3

JP September 28th, 2010 8:03 PM

Although it's nice to see a bit of a reintroduction to the trade evolutions, they're still a pain. I'd much rather be able to do it in game with a stone or level, as someone else said.

If anything though, when it comes to new Pokemon and evolutions...I would have really liked to see a new method. The whole trading with the specific two Pokemon is sorta cool, but it doesn't feel that fresh. They could have came up with something cooler, if you ask me.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 28th, 2010 8:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JP (Post 6189669)
Although it's nice to see a bit of a reintroduction to the trade evolutions, they're still a pain. I'd much rather be able to do it in game with a stone or level, as someone else said.

If anything though, when it comes to new Pokemon and evolutions...I would have really liked to see a new method. The whole trading with the specific two Pokemon is sorta cool, but it doesn't feel that fresh. They could have came up with something cooler, if you ask me.

What are those two pokemon that evolve only when the other is traded for it again?

PlatinumDude September 28th, 2010 8:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 6189677)

What are those two pokemon that evolve only when the other is traded for it again?

Kapuromo and Chobomaki.

What I found out is that the former specializes in offense, but turns defensive when traded and vice versa for the latter.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire September 28th, 2010 8:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PlatinumDude (Post 6189683)
Kapuromo and Chobomaki.

What I found out is that the former specializes in offense, but turns defensive when traded and vice versa for the latter.

it's also funny how Chobomaki loses it's armor but Kapuromo gains armor in evolution...

JP September 28th, 2010 8:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 6189696)

it's also funny how Chobomaki loses it's armor but Kapuromo gains armor in evolution...

That was meant on purpose, because of how they have to be traded with each other. The idea is basically that Kapuromo gains the armor from Chobomaki. Where Chobomaki's evolution gets its cloak from, I have no idea... but it looks mighty cool.

Livewire September 28th, 2010 8:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PlatinumDude (Post 6189683)
Kapuromo and Chobomaki.

What I found out is that the former specializes in offense, but turns defensive when traded and vice versa for the latter.

I think that's one of the coolest trade methods there is. I could see it working on a few existing Pokemon too.

solarowl September 28th, 2010 10:51 PM

That is so awesome! That could be a very good method. One of the best ones yet! But, I just got an idea that kind of sucks but what if you trade a pokemon to a pokemon game and it evolves or changes formes to gain Spc. Atk and Atk and when you trade back, it loses its attack strength and it gains Def. and Spc. Defense. Also, an item similar to an everstone could be held, preventing the pokemon's stat change when trading. How's that?

blue September 29th, 2010 8:23 AM

Feebas evolving to Milotic with a Cleanse Scale, call me lazy, but i'll be doing that for sure :P
Besides, I never really got round to catching a Feebas.
But I agree that it takes out alot of point in raising a Feebas.

Ho-Oh October 9th, 2010 6:19 PM

I can't remember what the rest of the posts here say, so if it's already mentioned, sorry!

I just had an idea, thinking about the amount of evolutions in the game. Almost every Pokemon has an evolution - seemingly a lot more than previous ones, or is given that impression. Even ones that aren't necessary have evolutions. This could be a sign that they were designed not to get future evolutions, seeing how the general public related to Sinnoh's mass evolutions of older Pokemon. Due to this, older Pokemon won't get any more cross-generation evolutions, to please the fans and give GF more of a reason to be trusted (I don't know the word, but so it'll always be the same, like they won't go back on the idea they came up with, with future designs that make a certain Pokemon worse?)

Alternatively, in future games, there will probably be ways to breed Mamanbou and Afro Bull (which I forgot the name of), with Luvdic and Tauros respectively, allowing them to be alternate evolutions. And thus, those will be the last Pokemon to ever recieve evolutions from a previous generation. All in all, that idea is less likely than the former one, because based on what we know, it's probably the way GF is going about it.

King Gumball October 9th, 2010 9:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Forever (Post 6212808)
I can't remember what the rest of the posts here say, so if it's already mentioned, sorry!

I just had an idea, thinking about the amount of evolutions in the game. Almost every Pokemon has an evolution - seemingly a lot more than previous ones, or is given that impression. Even ones that aren't necessary have evolutions. This could be a sign that they were designed not to get future evolutions, seeing how the general public related to Sinnoh's mass evolutions of older Pokemon. Due to this, older Pokemon won't get any more cross-generation evolutions, to please the fans and give GF more of a reason to be trusted (I don't know the word, but so it'll always be the same, like they won't go back on the idea they came up with, with future designs that make a certain Pokemon worse?)

Alternatively, in future games, there will probably be ways to breed Mamanbou and Afro Bull (which I forgot the name of), with Luvdic and Tauros respectively, allowing them to be alternate evolutions. And thus, those will be the last Pokemon to ever recieve evolutions from a previous generation. All in all, that idea is less likely than the former one, because based on what we know, it's probably the way GF is going about it.

Miltank wont be happy with afro buffalo breeding with Tauros. I hope Miltank and Tauros get alternate pre evo's.


I prefer the old method of evolving Feebus. Much more challenging and fun. I think B/W just killed a but of Hoenn, Feebus deserves to be made beautiful!

ShyRayq October 10th, 2010 12:10 AM

lol all i can say is sham wow
wait did i already post here? no matter

the evos are at an EXTREMELY HIGH standard. i mean meraruba is in an egg
and you have to train it to lvl59 and youll get the BEST reward EVA

and also the electric eel first stage has 4 moves
and will only have those 4 moves until lvl39 i think i mean WTF
and monozu dont get me started on that 50-64 pokemon
lot of pokemon evolving round 40~50~60 now so

the moral is big levels, better rewards and so and so

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire October 10th, 2010 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Dragoon (Post 6213421)
lol all i can say is sham wow
wait did i already post here? no matter

the evos are at an EXTREMELY HIGH standard. i mean meraruba is in an egg
and you have to train it to lvl59 and youll get the BEST reward EVA

and also the electric eel first stage has 4 moves
and will only have those 4 moves until lvl39 i think i mean WTF
and monozu dont get me started on that 50-64 pokemon
lot of pokemon evolving round 40~50~60 now so

the moral is big levels, better rewards and so and so

The funny thing is that in the past they had some of us hold out on evolution in order to get good moves (prime example Mudkip and Hydro pump)

Haza October 10th, 2010 10:32 AM

I actually like that it takes longer to obtain some evolutions. We asked for difficulty and we got it.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire October 10th, 2010 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Haza (Post 6214395)
I actually like that it takes longer to obtain some evolutions. We asked for difficulty and we got it.

I like that they are difficult to get too but I have to admit some of them are odd like Gear's evolution line, I would have expected level 20 for the first one and 35 for the second.

Porygon Z October 10th, 2010 10:53 AM

I hate this!
On Emerald, I did a long work to get my Milotic, and now they made it too simple!
Because of that, I PalParked him from Emerald (after cloning :P), then Pokèshifted to both Black and White. Then I made a Feebas Egg :D

Surmonter October 10th, 2010 10:54 AM

^ What are you talking about?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Haza (Post 6214395)
I actually like that it takes longer to obtain some evolutions. We asked for difficulty and we got it.

I agree. Plus, it's not that hard to level up..at all.

I got a Level 1 Monozu to level 64 in two days. Thanks to Tabunne and Lucky Egg (I EV trained first of course..)

dragonite149 October 10th, 2010 11:08 AM

I hate Feebas's new way of evolution! Now a Milotic is as common as Gorebyss. The challenge of evolving Feebas, well, there is no challenge any more. Just slap on a item, give it to your buddy, get it back from your buddy and you got a Milotic.
I can't trade, so no Milotic for me.
EDIT: This is my 100th post!!!

Haza October 10th, 2010 11:25 AM

Yeah, and when you've actually worked to get your Pokemon just right it makes you appreciate it a lot more... creating a sort of a bond.


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