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Evolutions Discussion
This is a thread for evolutions discussion. Discuss evolutions in general here. Evolutions in general, etc, high evo levels, you name it.
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#633Monozu (Lv. 50 -->) #634Jiheddo(Lv. 64 -->)
#635Sazando Dark/Dragon Levitate HP: 92 Atk: 105 Def: 90 SpA: 125 SpD: 90 Spe: 98 evolution at LVL 64?! thats the highest lvl isnt it? |
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Wow... some of those base stats are Beast! never used that word in something like this .0.
And this Generation brings us the highest level for Evolution as well :O |
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sooo much win... levitate and DARK/DRAGON lol xD |
What really stood out to me was the evolution levels. Some of these Pokemon evolve really late. But then again, they do have some impressive stats.
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Pokemon Evolution Requirements Leaked!!!
I got this info from the Smogon Forums!:
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Discussion seems to go in the same direction, so merged.
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The thing that actually intrigues me the most is the relatively high evolution levels for most of these pokemon. Between that and the E4 champion having a lv.70 pokemon, I have a feeling the level curve for this game is going to be really high. This either means a lot of level grinding to keep up or an organically lengthened game with plenty of exp. opportunities.
I'm hoping for the latter. :D |
Evolution lv's and Methods
This thread is to discuss what you think of the levels in which Pokemon evolve.
Also some old pokemon like Feebas has a new way of Evolving according to Serebii you need to get an item called the clear scale and attach it to Feebas and trade it as there is no beauty stat in BW, I wonder if they will do something similar to the Eeveelutions... Also I think that some pokemon evolution levels are too high...the highest pokemon in BW that can evolve by level is like 60+...the highest ever... |
We're using the base stats/evolution requirements thread to discuss this. :(
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Did this thread change it's name...I thought it was only the Base stat, oh well :P
Well I think the lv numbers are quite nice as it would make me lv them up more but it will take quite a bit specially in the beginning to evolve your Wargle by the time you get to the last gym though it should be evolved...actually that's why I think they made that Pre evolution item that up D and SD... |
It was evolutions / base stats, but I just edited it to evolutions in general. XD;
The only evolution I really care about is Denchura's - which, should have been sooner imo. |
As long as my favourites don't need to be traded to evolve, I'm happy regardless of the required level. Though I've heard it's harder to grind levels in these games than before...?
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Are there any new methods of evolution? I remember hearing about how Zorua had a new way of evolving when it came to Zoroark, but I don't suppose that actually happened? XD
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Unfortunately nothing special happened. D: |
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Soooo, Serebii has informed us that Feebas now evolved via the lameoid "Hold Item+Trade" method. Anyone else disappointed by this?
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I'm not. Maxing out beauty on Feebas was always a huge pain in the butt. |
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Without a guide/walkthrough, the only way I could see a typical player evolving it is if he/she just so happened to prepare Feebas to enter the Beauty Pokemon Contests. Moreover, you usually level up the Pokemon you spend time with, so the level-up thing might have been covered... Other than that, the only clue you had was Milotic commonly being cited as one of the most beautiful Pokemon ever. I'm already annoyed that Contest stats were (apparently) removed in BW, and that virtually destroyed one of the nicer aspects of Feebas' that made the little fish so unique, aside from its infamous rarity. On a side-note, I've been hearing talk about a Power Ranger Pokemon... It'd be awesome if to evolve it via maxing out the Cool attribute of its Condition... :D (if it even has an evolution, I don't know for sure) |
High Evfolution levels
So i'm playing my version and look around at the levels for my team evolution ...
And my god most of my team evolve over level 50. Not complaining but i usually don't work toward that level for evolutions unless its a dragonite. But i do think its a bit of freshair from the norm |
Whoa! I think that it's because of the great strong Pokémon in Isshu. |
Just a note - due to evolutions discussion being popular, I moved the existing posts from the base stats thread to a new thread based on what was posted first about evolutions, so yeah.
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Something I've noticed with the Pokemon in B/W, is that most of them have final evolutions (or first stages) that don't even look like they belong in their evolution lines.
For example... http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/501.pnghttp://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/502.pnghttp://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/503.png Heh, I'm sure lots of people have noticed this one. I mean, just look at Mijumaru and Futachimaru. They both have the rounded heads, small pointed ears, and somewhat cartoon-like looking shells. You can see the similarity very well. But what's up with Daikenki (I don't even know if that's how you spell it x3)? It suddenly went quadrupedal, and lost every shred of a resemblance that it had to its predecessors. http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/519.pnghttp://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/520.pnghttp://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/521.png Look at the final stage compared to the rest. See any resemblance? I don't get why its chest suddenly turned green, and it lost the pink color in its feet. It doesn't even look like a pigeon anymore. It looks like a quail, or some kind of peacock. =/ http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/524.pnghttp://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/525.pnghttp://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/526.pngIn this line, it's the first stage that looks out of place. It has no claws like its evolutions, and doesn't have the red spikes. Instead, they're brown. Not really a HUGE difference, but I just wanted to point that one out. :P http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/551.pnghttp://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/552.pnghttp://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/553.pngWait, what? What's with the red color? I find it strange that this line kept the same colors for two stages, then suddenly changed. If the middle stage had a different color as well, then it would work out, IMO. But this seems kinda... random, don'tcha think? http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/562.pnghttp://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/563.pngOnce again, look at the first stage. WHAT IS IT? It definitely doesn't look like something Desukan would evolve from. Even if they both have the little cat mask thing. =/ http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/585.pnghttp://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/586.pngThe problem with this line, IMO, is that the first stage looks more cartoonish and feminine, but the final form looks like an actual dear, and somehow became masculine. I still like these two, though. :> http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/602.pnghttp://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/603.pnghttp://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/604.pngWhat's up with diiiiis? First it looks like a...uhhh...y'know (^^'), then turns into an eel. It just seems strange to me. :x http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/619.pnghttp://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/620.pngOK, I REALLY don't get this one. The first stage looks like something out of Winnie The Pooh (or Winnie The Pooh himself!), then it becomes all feminine lookin', and looks like an Espeon. O_o But yeah, I just wanted to say that. x3 I think GF may be trying something new with the evolutions n' stuff. I'm also not very fond of the extreme leveling gaps between some Pokemon. >:/ |
Eh, I like the unexpected evolutions. It's better than evolutions like Chillachino which look just like its previous one, except slightly bigger, and obviously with better stats and more fur. I know some people dislike it, and while I do not (I think it's cute and I like its scarf-fur), I really do think that for something that evolves with a stone it should have changed lots more. O_o
Anyways, I'm actually cool with Feebas' new evolution method; I honestly love Milotic but since the 4th gen he's been inferior to many a bulky water, so it's pointless to continue to evolve this thing via such a complex method when it's not even all that good to begin with. It does take the uniqueness out of its evolution method, though; I'm starting to think GF hates it for some reason and that's why all they gave it this gen was Cute Charm (via DW... can you say idiotic? the hell is she supposed to do with that?) and a common evo method. :> Finally, I'm actually annoyed with some evolution levels. There's no reason why our toxic pokeball mushroom friend should evolve at level 39, seriously; it's going to be a struggle raising the little thing, but at least you'll be rewarded somewhat because as far as Grass/Poison types go it's got the best defenses of any of them (barring Venusaur) and the best ability to work with it (Regeneration via DW, though Effect Spore isn't bad). Of course, in the case of stuff like Urgamoth it sorta makes sense, since it's an epic fire moth, although I still think level 59 is a bit too much; it should have evolved at level 45-50, or else with a Fire Stone or Sun Stone, since it's not like the bug is common anyway so you wouldn't find such a powerful Pokemon right away. :P |
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I think the gators can be excused for sheer awesome. Has anyone here heard their cries? Little Desukan is a burial mask. Shijika's line... Well, somebody's been watching Bambi. The eel things... I think the first form is a cuttlefish or a lamprey or a leech or all of the above. I don't think I can justify the others. xD |
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I'm guessing that Warubiru has been sunbathing a lot, or maybe that's blood. Remember Charmeleon? Anyway, Meraruba is now my favorite Pokemon. It's so cute, and I like how you receive it and how strong it becomes. Kibago's also on my list. |
I heard there's a Pokemon that evolves at level 59?
That's hardcore. Seriously. I thought level 55 to get a Dragonite or Tyranitar was heavy enough. |
Well... I love The Dark-Steel line, though The final evo lost most of its awesomeness.
Chanderaa's evo line is also cool, and make sense: Candle-Chandlier. Love it :P There Are some Crazy stats on The new pkmn. Quote:
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*Faints* Seriously though, that's outrageously high. Although I'm sure the Pokemon is outrageously good. |
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I had really high hopes fot the pidgein Pokemon. In my opinion they ruined it.
But I love Gigaiasu evo line! In my opinion three best pokemon of the V gen! |
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And the one that reaches its final stage at level 64 is our pseudo-legendary (Dark/Dragon hydra called Sazando; nicknamed Hydragon). - - - - - - - - - @Surmonter: Actually, I would argue that they are lampreys, not leeches, and the electric typing comes from the so-called electric eel (which is not an eel, or a lamprey for that matter). Why it doesn't have a Water typing is beyond me, but then again, who cares? It doesn't need it, since it's got Levitate, which makes it awesome 'cause it has no weak. I won't be using it because it looks gross and disgusting to me (just like real leeches, eels, lampreys and electric eels) but yeah, I don't think it's a leech. However, perhaps it's based on elements of all these critters combined...? What do you think? |
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- Manhattan the Starr- I dont think http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/521.pngis meant to be a pidgeon anymore. Silimilar to the peacocks the males are colourful so they can attract females.\ Ad with the lamprey line I dont know what the first evo is... It could be the larvae. |
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The way the males are colorful and the females aren't is basically what gave me that thought. :P |
Caterpie => (level 7) Metapod => (level 10) Butterfree
Kurumiru => (level 20) Kurumayu => (happiness) Hahakomori They are stronger, but they are a pain in the arse to evolve compared to the good old times |
...Speaking of Kenhorou, you guys do realize some of the world's most colourful birds are pigeons and doves, right? I realize the rock pigeon (or common pigeon) is everywhere so one can't help but associate them with dull colours but anyways, the kereru says hi, and check out fruit doves, and don't forget the crowned pigeons, which are actually ground-dwelling birds! Plus Kenhorou has elements of pheasants and such gamebirds, etc. Not trying to show off my knowledge of birds, but though I'd point out that colourful pigeons are far more common than you'd think. ;P
GF isn't making anything up here; dazzling colourful pigeons (male and female) are real. :3 |
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But the female Kenhorou is FAR away from colorful. x3 (Even though they look WAY better than the males, IMO) |
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We have the highest evolution level ever in this generation, and tons of Pokemon that don't evolve out of their very weak form until the late 40's or 50's! Urugamosu's pre-evo is pretty weak, doesn't evolve until level 59. The Dark/Dragon Pokemon's basic stage is very weak, doesn't evolve until level 50. Then that doesn't evolve again until 64. @[email protected] |
The way I see it, Shibishirasu is based on the little know larval stage of eels, better known as a Leptocephalus.
And if anything, to me, Kenhorou looks like a Bird-of-Paradise. With the extravagant plumage of the males and comparatively drab coloration of the females, it fits right in. |
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Really? I think it is a completely awesome kick-ass moth thats what it is. Have you seen its moves and stats! They are awesome! |
I understand Game freak wanting to make Pokemon higher, but the new evolution levels are rediculous! Kurumiru doesn't evolve until level 22. That's higher then the starter's first evo!
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I dont have a problem with any of the evolutions for what they are but some of the levels are ridiculously high...
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I used it in the small part of Black I did play, it pretty much sweeped everything I found that wasn't a fire type or flying type. It's evolution was 10 times better. Never got it to the final stage because I stopped playing, wanting to wait to play it on my DS. |
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Despite generally not liking gimmicky evolution methods (beauty, trade with X in party, depends on stats, location, etc.), I'm actually a bit disappointed there wasn't more of a range of new evolution methods this time. All we got was seasonal trading and specific trading (the method those helmet bugs use). Everything else was boringly normal (not to mention almost entirely methods from the first two Generations). Would it have killed Game Freak to come up with a few more variants? There's currently no "level up holding item X but only above level Y" methods, and that kind of thing is obvious in its absence. I'm not liking the stupidly high levels many Pokémon now need to evolve. The high levels are only necessary for balancing, because Game Freak were obsessed with getting everyone to use only the Gen 5 Pokémon. It's not so much "progress" as "we don't want you to use the old stuff (from back when Pokémon was good)", and I severely dislike that pressuring. Although I will admit I don't mind it quite so much because I never do competitive battling, and I'll play with Pokémon I like rather than whatever the latest powerhouse is, but I'm sure plenty of competitive players will be a bit miffed at needing to use stupid-looking "creatures" just to keep their edge. The series is spiralling out of control, more so than people like to think. I also don't like those Pokémon that bear little or no resemblance to their previous forms (the narwhal is an obvious example, as is Octillery to bring this post round full circle). |
IMO, the higher levels of evolution are positive sign that Pokemon's "evolving". Prior to Gen V, you'd have Pokemon that evolve in the low -teens and cap at around Lv.40, 55 if they were Dragons. Now, the game makes you work harder for those oh-so-powerful evolved forms. Plus, the random intervals at which they evolve adds a pleasant little twist to the game for gamers who'd probably expect their Pokemon to evolve at levels divisible by 5, 6, or 7.
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I enjoy the high evolution levels. I doubt I will when I actually play the games, and am grinding a Pokemon up to it's evolution level. That'd probably get tedious.. but as for now, I think it's a good idea. I had forgotten Kurumiru's evolution level, and like the rest of the evolution levels I'm shocked. It's strange for a regional bug to evolve at such a high level, even exceeding the starters, but it just shows how advanced Isshu is from the rest of the regions. :3 |
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But now, Kurumiru goes into only its second stage at lvl. 20!! Can you believe that? And I'm sure some people have seen its pretty weak stats... And Fushide evolves into its second stage at lvl. 22, and is fully evolved by lvl.30. =/ And its stats aren't so great either... So I don't see how they expect for us to keep such weak Pokemon until they're up to lvl. 20 and 22. But I have nothing against these new bugs. They're probably my favorite bug Pokemon evuh~ :B Even though that's not the worst I've seen when it comes to these new levels. Look at Wooguru and the vulture's pre-evolutions! They take all the way up to lvl. 54 to finally evolve. Crazy, amirite? |
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Well, to me, it seems like a good idea. I mean, look at Wooguru, beastly, correct? So why make it easy to obtain such a powerful Pokemon? That'd just make the game stupidly easy.
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Hmmm, I guess you're right about that. Must have a Fushide in one of my teams~
And Surmonter, apparently I wasn't here when you said that. No need to act all smart about it. =/ |
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Now, you see, my theory is that GF has come to realize that by the time you've reached the Elite 4, you're party is already stocked with the final forms of your game's most powerful non-legends. So, they want us to work a bit more to get to that stage, making the reward all the sweeter.
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Pokémon is all about evolution, and it's pretty stupid to have half your species evolve only when you're near the end of the game. For the purists who don't look everything up on the Interweb before playing, they're just going to wind up frustrated that their Pokémon just aren't evolving. The whole problem stems from one-upmanship. |
Well I was surprised to see that Meraruba evolves into Urugamosu at Level 59. Before that the highest was Level 55 (Dragonair to Dragonite)
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And these two: http://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/627.pnghttp://floatzel.net/pokemon/black-white/sprites/images/629.png Are only 1 level under that... level 54. O_O But I'm sure there's some sort of reason for this. GF wouldn't make such ridiculous evolution levels for no reason. :x |
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And for the people who aren't aware of B/W at all, I don't see the high evolution levels as such a frustration for them as more of a well-earned prize for training their Pokemon so diligently. Basically, Gen V has raised the bar to more of a "Dragonite" standard, if you will. Back in Gen 1 and 2, if you wanted one of the game's most powerful Pokemon, Dragonite, you had to work extra hard, but the pay-off was great. However, considering the amount of work you'd have to put into it, a lot of gamers shrugged it off or just traded for Dragonite. NOW, a good 70% of the Gen V Pokemon are close to this standard, making the effort more of a basic thing than a "this is abnormally hard, wtf?!!!?!?!" thing. |
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But I found it amazing when I saw some footage of Black where someone was trying to capture Reshiram, and they STILL had an unevolved Washibon. O_o Isn't the legendary encounter AFTER the E4? But I think I might like this... it'll make the story seem... longer when you're halfway through the story and some of your Pokes aren't fully evolved. :3 I don't know why... but I always felt kinda empty whenever my teams became fully evolved. =/ |
Evolving my dragonite and Typloshion was a drag but I did feel like it was rewarding for me so Maybe it is good that they made them evolve at a high level :)
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Exactly =) Glad my point got across to a few people ^_^ And, Starr, I feel the same way when my entire team is fully evolved. Kinda leaves you with that feeling of, "Ok, what now? Lv.100...eh"
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everything should be evo by stone or level
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IMO, the reintroduction of trades to evolve is kinda welcome to me. Except for Feebas. Me no likey that.
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I know, I know, but raising Feebas's Beauty has always been its novelty. Now it's no different than Seadra. Just slap on a hold item, trade, and voila! you have a Milotic. Makes it less worth it now =(
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Although it's nice to see a bit of a reintroduction to the trade evolutions, they're still a pain. I'd much rather be able to do it in game with a stone or level, as someone else said.
If anything though, when it comes to new Pokemon and evolutions...I would have really liked to see a new method. The whole trading with the specific two Pokemon is sorta cool, but it doesn't feel that fresh. They could have came up with something cooler, if you ask me. |
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What I found out is that the former specializes in offense, but turns defensive when traded and vice versa for the latter. |
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That is so awesome! That could be a very good method. One of the best ones yet! But, I just got an idea that kind of sucks but what if you trade a pokemon to a pokemon game and it evolves or changes formes to gain Spc. Atk and Atk and when you trade back, it loses its attack strength and it gains Def. and Spc. Defense. Also, an item similar to an everstone could be held, preventing the pokemon's stat change when trading. How's that?
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Feebas evolving to Milotic with a Cleanse Scale, call me lazy, but i'll be doing that for sure :P
Besides, I never really got round to catching a Feebas. But I agree that it takes out alot of point in raising a Feebas. |
I can't remember what the rest of the posts here say, so if it's already mentioned, sorry!
I just had an idea, thinking about the amount of evolutions in the game. Almost every Pokemon has an evolution - seemingly a lot more than previous ones, or is given that impression. Even ones that aren't necessary have evolutions. This could be a sign that they were designed not to get future evolutions, seeing how the general public related to Sinnoh's mass evolutions of older Pokemon. Due to this, older Pokemon won't get any more cross-generation evolutions, to please the fans and give GF more of a reason to be trusted (I don't know the word, but so it'll always be the same, like they won't go back on the idea they came up with, with future designs that make a certain Pokemon worse?) Alternatively, in future games, there will probably be ways to breed Mamanbou and Afro Bull (which I forgot the name of), with Luvdic and Tauros respectively, allowing them to be alternate evolutions. And thus, those will be the last Pokemon to ever recieve evolutions from a previous generation. All in all, that idea is less likely than the former one, because based on what we know, it's probably the way GF is going about it. |
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I prefer the old method of evolving Feebus. Much more challenging and fun. I think B/W just killed a but of Hoenn, Feebus deserves to be made beautiful! |
lol all i can say is sham wow
wait did i already post here? no matter the evos are at an EXTREMELY HIGH standard. i mean meraruba is in an egg and you have to train it to lvl59 and youll get the BEST reward EVA and also the electric eel first stage has 4 moves and will only have those 4 moves until lvl39 i think i mean WTF and monozu dont get me started on that 50-64 pokemon lot of pokemon evolving round 40~50~60 now so the moral is big levels, better rewards and so and so |
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I actually like that it takes longer to obtain some evolutions. We asked for difficulty and we got it.
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I hate this!
On Emerald, I did a long work to get my Milotic, and now they made it too simple! Because of that, I PalParked him from Emerald (after cloning :P), then Pokèshifted to both Black and White. Then I made a Feebas Egg :D |
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I got a Level 1 Monozu to level 64 in two days. Thanks to Tabunne and Lucky Egg (I EV trained first of course..) |
I hate Feebas's new way of evolution! Now a Milotic is as common as Gorebyss. The challenge of evolving Feebas, well, there is no challenge any more. Just slap on a item, give it to your buddy, get it back from your buddy and you got a Milotic.
I can't trade, so no Milotic for me. EDIT: This is my 100th post!!! |
Yeah, and when you've actually worked to get your Pokemon just right it makes you appreciate it a lot more... creating a sort of a bond.
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