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JP July 13th, 2011 7:56 AM

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Originally Posted by emberjed (Post 6742850)
First of all, I am about 85% sure that Game Freak will make a Grey version or some equivalent, even though they said they wouldn't.

I just thought I'd say this, Junichi Masuda was interviewed a little while back and when asked why they weren't planning a release for a third game, he told them "I don't recall ever hearing that and am certainly surprised" or something that effect. So honestly, I think that was all just a translation mistake.

Of course, it's not like many of us have any doubt in our minds that there won't be a third game. I just thought I'd make that little bit clearer.

Shelmet July 13th, 2011 8:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Master HG (Post 6741322)
I think it would be great for they to allow you to have ALL three starters in the beginning or let you choose one of the three as usual but implement the concept of your 1st pokemon in your party to follow you outside of it's pokeball, I think that would be AMAZING! OOOOOOOR Maybe they can through a crazy twist in there and let your FIRST pokemon be Zorua or Victini and ALLOW you to get EVERY starter pokemon at different spots in the story similar to Ash in Pokemon B&W Best Wishes!

I highly doubt they would do this. Since the first generation of games, the point has been that you choose one Pokémon to start your journey with - you're a beginning trainer, after all - so giving out high-powered Pokémon such as Zorua and Victini - which are also considered "rare" in the Pokémon world - wouldn't make much sense. I'd like to see the return of the first Pokémon in your party following you around, though - I liked that in HG/SS. I doubt they'd break from the trend, starting from Gen I, in that you only get one starter Pokémon - especially not for a third game in a series. Maybe something they'd consider for an entirely new generation, but even then, I doubt it would happen.

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Originally Posted by Master HG (Post 6741322)
It WOULD be awesome for they to add A LOT more double and triple battles because they seem to be favorites of many players. I didn't like rotation battles much, TOO MUCH LUCK AND GAMBLING INVOLVED BOOOORRRING!! I would love for they to maybe at a FEW 4 on 4 battles, tag team style where two couples of pokemon vs two other couples of pokemon. Also, when are they finally going to through some more rivers, ponds, water pools that you can walk on to make the battle field MORE interesting, for example, ground pokemon would be have their Atk and Sp Atk reduced since they're in water/ same for fire unless they are flying types or have levitate. Also, I really dislike battles OUT in the ocean, everyone knows that a pokemon can't have a regular battle on the ocean, you CANT USE DIG in the ocean, you CANT use EARTHQUAKE in the ocean, let's get a little more realistic and allow some more changes in physics in the game. If they're going to have battles, let them be on small islands like they did on route 17, that was a LOT better.

Double, Triple and Rotation battles are great, and I would like to see more of them, too. I remember the introduction of Double battles in Gen III being a huge thing, and something to get excited about, and there were many opportunities in-game to experience them, which we haven't gotten with the new styles of battle. If you think about it, any kind of battle comes down to "luck" - even single battles. Having 4 on 4 battles, in my opinion, would be a little over-excessive. Sending out half of your team at a time seems like enough - we'd eventually end up with 6 on 6 battles if this carries on, which would just be stupid.

I like your idea about field effects - Pokémon with certain types having their stats lowered in water, etc. It makes a lot of sense - especially with the whole "using Dig on water/Dive on land" thing. It seems like quite a big thing to introduce just in a third game, though - introducing that in an entirely new generation would be a lot better.

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Originally Posted by Master HG (Post 6741322)
I want them to expand the region by using those extra boats on the docks, allowing you to go to south of the region and can you finally explain why the subway takes you to certain areas of Unova that we have no access to although the subway map says it can take us there? Through another twist such as, Black or White (the original player from both versions) Growing up and befriend N and let the story say that they grew up as best friends and ended up releasing the legendary pokemon knowing that they are better off released so they can protect the Unova region.

That seems like a huge story addition - a bit too big, maybe. It could be possible for an event - like the time-travel Celebi event in HG/SS - but it seems like too much of an addition. I can't really comment on the thing you said about the Subway, seeing as I've only used it once or twice.

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Originally Posted by Master HG (Post 6741322)
Theeen, have Black or White's "little brother" or some other relative from Nuvema town begin his journey and coming to find a certain landscape area where he witnesses in the sky a new legendary dragon type in the beginning of the story. Much bigger and Much more powerful than Kyurem, Zekrom, and Reshiram. Let that legendary pokemon be the Original Legendary Dragon pokemon that was first split into two; making Zekrom and Reshiram. Then later in the story, having them explain that Zekrom and Reshiram were inspired by N and "Black/White" who both set their differences aside and learned to unite their strengths to protect the Unova Region so the two legendaries did the same and were able to unite themselves at a sacred location in Unova where they united themselves into one dragon pokemon once again. Then let Black/White's little brother have the opportunity to Tame that unbelievable beast with Stat Totals of 700+ :) and let HIM be the new mascot. and Name it Pokemon: The Unova Guardian Version..or Gray/Grey hahaha.

Isn't it kind of a common theory that Kyurem was the Pokémon that split into Reshiram and Zekrom - or part of it, anyway? Nearly every duo/trio in the games has a "leader", and, judging by Kyurem's hidden attacks, and them being based on Electric and Ice-types, it is most likely Kyurem. With the thing about the main character's "little brother", that definitely seems like too big of an addition. What you're basically going for there is two journeys in one game - two whole journeys, with a plot and everything. Maybe a massively abridged version in an event, but not the whole thing (cover it up with time-travel - that always works in stories).

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Originally Posted by Master HG (Post 6741322)
Please make it even better by allowing for you to have 7 pokemon in your party. That would make people have complete different strategies. This would work Great since Double Battles and Triple Battles would be more Common. ALSO, why not give us the option to either Double Battle, Tripple Battle or Single Battle when we approach trainers? Let US choose the way we decide to live our pokemon story :). Please bring back VS Seeker and PLLEEEASE let FLY be a TM, NOT an HM. Fly is simple, it's EASY to teach a pokemon so it should be a TM. not a HM.

I really doubt they'd suddenly let us have 7 Pokémon in our parties. Having 6 is the way that it's always been, and I can't see that changing. A part of the games is having to decide which Pokémon you'd want on your team, and increasing the party limit to 7 would make the game far too easy (easier, anyway). Having the option to battle a trainer in Singles, Doubles or Triples could work, but maybe not with every NPC in the games. I'd personally like to be able to have a Double Gym battle again, like in Gen III - and maybe even get to battle Cilan, Chili and Cress in a triple battle early on in the game, backed up by Bianca and Cheren. Bringing back the VS Seeker would be great, and I fully agree with it. HMs were changed to TMs in the past because, from what I can see, they weren't amazingly useful in that generation. Fly is, and will be, useful in every game. There's no difference at all between HMs and TMs in Black and White anyway, so I don't even see why you're suggesting this.

Pokemon Game Fan July 13th, 2011 8:59 AM

They already made the three Pokemon (Zekrom, Reshiram, and that other one)
One is WHITE
One is BLACK
One is GREY.

Black and White = Released.
I'm sure Grey will too, with that one Pokemon as the mascot. Why? How many times have they done it before? (GS - C) (RS - E) (RB - Y) (DP - Pt)

TheCondor July 14th, 2011 5:43 PM

Actually, what I would like to see is the inclusion of non-Unova pokemon in the wild. Although it worked great to have solely Unova pokemon present in Black and White, I'd like to see a few other pokemon added to the routes. Instead of having to waiting for the post-game to acquire other species of mons, you'll have the opportunity to complete the national dex without the aid of HGSS. That, or more trainers with non-Unova pokemon. I think adding the Kanto starters to the Striaton Gym trio would be a good addition along those lines. Also a bigger Battle Frontier with the crazy themes Platinum came up with.

ringu217 July 14th, 2011 6:12 PM

this is just a rumor going around but we read up on an article last week and something it said was about maybe a pokemon iron and pokemon titanium. not too certain about that it could be completely off. that's just what i read. i don't remember the website or the magazine.

Kenshin5 July 14th, 2011 6:53 PM

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I think it would be great for they to allow you to have ALL three starters in the beginning or let you choose one of the three as usual but implement the concept of your 1st pokemon in your party to follow you outside of it's pokeball, I think that would be AMAZING! OOOOOOOR Maybe they can through a crazy twist in there and let your FIRST pokemon be Zorua or Victini and ALLOW you to get EVERY starter pokemon at different spots in the story similar to Ash in Pokemon B&W Best Wishes!
Ash had all starters in Johto Saga and they never gave the game starter all 3 in any game. So I don't see this generation being any different. I think they want to keep Zorua semi exclusive so people will use Relocator as for Victini a Legendary pokemon as a starter? Don't see that one happening any time soon much less ever(unless it was a spinoff maybe).

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It WOULD be awesome for they to add A LOT more double and triple battles because they seem to be favorites of many players. I didn't like rotation battles much, TOO MUCH LUCK AND GAMBLING INVOLVED BOOOORRRING!! I would love for they to maybe at a FEW 4 on 4 battles, tag team style where two couples of pokemon vs two other couples of pokemon. Also, when are they finally going to through some more rivers, ponds, water pools that you can walk on to make the battle field MORE interesting, for example, ground pokemon would be have their Atk and Sp Atk reduced since they're in water/ same for fire unless they are flying types or have levitate. Also, I really dislike battles OUT in the ocean, everyone knows that a pokemon can't have a regular battle on the ocean, you CANT USE DIG in the ocean, you CANT use EARTHQUAKE in the ocean, let's get a little more realistic and allow some more changes in physics in the game. If they're going to have battles, let them be on small islands like they did on route 17, that was a LOT better.
I hear you there if they want to implement new types of battles then implement them better throughout the game instead of showing them 2-3 times. It would be nice too see the environment play a factor in it. Weather already does faction into it so environment effects battles already to an extent. I can see where you are coming from with Dig. But you do know what starts Tsunami's right?

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I want them to expand the region by using those extra boats on the docks, allowing you to go to south of the region and can you finally explain why the subway takes you to certain areas of Unova that we have no access to although the subway map says it can take us there? Through another twist such as, Black or White (the original player from both versions) Growing up and befriend N and let the story say that they grew up as best friends and ended up releasing the legendary pokemon knowing that they are better off released so they can protect the Unova region.
I think a better way of expanding the region would be through subway myself. I do think they need to utilized the extra boats at the harbor though. Changing up the story that drastically would detract from the previous story they did in Black and White I don't see them doing that. N grew up with pokemon and abused pokemon at that, so having the main character grow up with him would kind of throw what they did in Black and White out the window.

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Theeen, have Black or White's "little brother" or some other relative from Nuvema town begin his journey and coming to find a certain landscape area where he witnesses in the sky a new legendary dragon type in the beginning of the story. Much bigger and Much more powerful than Kyurem, Zekrom, and Reshiram. Let that legendary pokemon be the Original Legendary Dragon pokemon that was first split into two; making Zekrom and Reshiram. Then later in the story, having them explain that Zekrom and Reshiram were inspired by N and "Black/White" who both set their differences aside and learned to unite their strengths to protect the Unova Region so the two legendaries did the same and were able to unite themselves at a sacred location in Unova where they united themselves into one dragon pokemon once again. Then let Black/White's little brother have the opportunity to Tame that unbelievable beast with Stat Totals of 700+ :) and let HIM be the new mascot. and Name it Pokemon: The Unova Guardian Version..or Gray/Grey hahaha.
Not seeing the little brother scenario thing happening. Although I can see a super powered original pokemon that Reshiram and Zekrom were came from.

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Please make it even better by allowing for you to have 7 pokemon in your party. That would make people have complete different strategies. This would work Great since Double Battles and Triple Battles would be more Common. ALSO, why not give us the option to either Double Battle, Tripple Battle or Single Battle when we approach trainers? Let US choose the way we decide to live our pokemon story :). Please bring back VS Seeker and PLLEEEASE let FLY be a TM, NOT an HM. Fly is simple, it's EASY to teach a pokemon so it should be a TM. not a HM.
One of the few mechanics they will probably never mess with is six pokemon. If they added a 7th then people would push for more, 6 is enough as it is. I don't see how it would work great for Doubles or Triples either. As to why not give the options to single, double, and triple not all of them have 2 or 3 pokemon to use. But I would like if they ones that did you were given that option.

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Originally Posted by Shelmet (Post 6743961)
I highly doubt they would do this. Since the first generation of games, the point has been that you choose one Pokémon to start your journey with - you're a beginning trainer, after all - so giving out high-powered Pokémon such as Zorua and Victini - which are also considered "rare" in the Pokémon world - wouldn't make much sense. I'd like to see the return of the first Pokémon in your party following you around, though - I liked that in HG/SS. I doubt they'd break from the trend, starting from Gen I, in that you only get one starter Pokémon - especially not for a third game in a series. Maybe something they'd consider for an entirely new generation, but even then, I doubt it would happen.

Have you played Yellow? You didn't get to choose your starter Professor Oak gave you a Pikachu. Then you fought against Blue Eevee. And periodically through the game you were able to get Bulbasaur at Cerulean City, Charmander at Route 24, Squirtle in Vermilion City.

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Originally Posted by TheCondor (Post 6746529)
Actually, what I would like to see is the inclusion of non-Unova pokemon in the wild. Although it worked great to have solely Unova pokemon present in Black and White, I'd like to see a few other pokemon added to the routes. Instead of having to waiting for the post-game to acquire other species of mons, you'll have the opportunity to complete the national dex without the aid of HGSS. That, or more trainers with non-Unova pokemon. I think adding the Kanto starters to the Striaton Gym trio would be a good addition along those lines. Also a bigger Battle Frontier with the crazy themes Platinum came up with.

If you have an issue with not being able to use non-Unova natives then have somebody transfer them over. They made it that way to keep this region fresh. I think most people have seen enough Zubat, Geodude, Magikarp, Tentacool as it is. If you want to see them again then just wait till post game. Adding any none Unova pokemon to a gym first go around would make much sense too me. And if you are going to add a starter trio then why not the one you already got?

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Originally Posted by ringu217 (Post 6746579)
this is just a rumor going around but we read up on an article last week and something it said was about maybe a pokemon iron and pokemon titanium. not too certain about that it could be completely off. that's just what i read. i don't remember the website or the magazine.

I think they will stick with colors this generation. Since White and Black make Grey/Gray I think that is what they will go with.

Theab95 July 14th, 2011 10:48 PM

I think they will announce a new Pokemon game next month maybe The third game.
Actually I think they will announce the third game before the Hoenn remakes If Kyurem
gets a new form in the third game, so we can have the new form of kyurem in the remakes, like the 4th generation.
Emerald came after FR/LG because Rayquaza doesn't have other form.

Ho-Oh July 19th, 2011 1:32 AM

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Originally Posted by deoxys121 (Post 6724064)
I posted about this before, but now I'm going to go into greater detail: I believe that you will be able to travel to Sinnoh in Pokemon Gray. I say this for several reasons:

1. In Cynthia's house, Skyla says "Even distant Sinnoh is just a hop, skip, and a jump if I use my cargo plane." I believe Skyla's cargo plane will most likely be your method of travel.

2. The Shadow Triad gives you the orbs of the Creation Trio from Ghetsis. I think Ghetsis may travel to Sinnoh in an attempt to awaken this trio using the orbs in Gray, which would give you reason to travel there.

3. There is a black boat in Castelia City that is never in any way used in the story or any kind of event. I believe this is the boat that Team Plasma plans to use to travel to the Sinnoh region. On the subject of the boat, does anyone else have speculations for that boat's purpose?

Thing is, Sinnoh's not really apart of Unova's upcoming...uhh idk the word for it, but Unova is a new start, and due to that, it's more like Kanto if anything, so the third game could possibly preview the next region, rather than a past region, since it's starting all over again but yet you know of the past areas or something like that. But actually in saying that, if the third game did sort of show a new area or start discussing it, then you'd kinda get more worth from the third game or something like that. :x

Plus, in other third games you never have traveled to a past region anyway other than Crystal but because in Gold/Silver... yeaaah.

2Cool4Mewtwo July 19th, 2011 9:04 AM

As for the mascot, I'm 100 percent sure it'll be Kyurem. It just looks "incomplete" IMO, and it is the third of the tao trio also, two of them comprising the mascot of black and white (Zek and Resh), therefore the third one should naturally fill in that gap (If for some reason it's not Kyurem, I'd be VERY Surprised).

Roughneck Tom July 20th, 2011 5:57 PM

So the main legendary pokemon in expected Pokemon Gray will be ........
 
Just wondering what will the main legendary pokemon for the third Unova game be . I have a strong feeling that it is going to be Kyurem ..........

Xander Olivieri July 20th, 2011 6:48 PM

No one knows. Been a big debate since before Black and White was even released. Colbion has a better possible story. No proof that there will be a "grey".

Ho-Oh July 20th, 2011 9:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Roughneck Tom (Post 6758913)
Just wondering what will the main legendary pokemon for the third Unova game be . I have a strong feeling that it is going to be Kyurem ..........

Yeah nobody knows, but merging this into third game speculation to continue discussion if anyone wants, since this belongs in third game speculation.

2Cool4Mewtwo July 20th, 2011 10:12 PM

Going away from the mascot discussion... but do any of you guys think this game will be released for the DS? or 3DS? Or perhaps both?

The 100 Mega Shock July 22nd, 2011 11:04 AM

There are no more big name DS games being released by Nintendo - the closest thing left is a new Kirby game. It's a platform that's at the end of life stage. People who think not by now are pretty much afraid to admit they're going to have to drop money on a 3DS in a couple of years' time to play more Pokémon.

Ho-Oh July 23rd, 2011 2:50 AM

hay guys I was going to post this in the Volcarona thread but it fit here best. Volcarona for third game cover Pokemon y/n? You could totally go into something with its location and then create a storyline from there. idk it just came to mind and it'd be sort of interesting if you cut off where N normally is underground with Ghetsis (or just Ghetsis? Plasma at least :x) and just skipped to a Volcarona sub-story. Totally would make that thread make more sense in terms of why it's different.

Stratocaster July 23rd, 2011 8:26 AM

I'm trying to think of what you would call this, the best way I can think of is "zebra stripes" but thats not exactly the best name.

Of course it could be Pokemon Zebra

and have Zebstrika or a new evolution of him...

that'd be pretty funny :)

an any case, I don't think the answer's so black and white.

ryziken July 23rd, 2011 10:20 AM

I think that in the 3rd game, there may finally become a way to evolve Pachirisu into Emolga, and Luvdisc into Alomomola.

I know, its kind of a longshot, but they're just way too similar NOT to be evo pairs. I believe Pachirisu and Emolga even have the same hidden ability...

Forme changes are gettin kind of old, so I think they just might forge new evolutionary links between these old pokes and Unova pokes.

Also, Unown ---> Sigilyph ?? Eh? Ehh? Possible, I think.

Oryx July 23rd, 2011 9:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Forever (Post 6762276)
hay guys I was going to post this in the Volcarona thread but it fit here best. Volcarona for third game cover Pokemon y/n? You could totally go into something with its location and then create a storyline from there. idk it just came to mind and it'd be sort of interesting if you cut off where N normally is underground with Ghetsis (or just Ghetsis? Plasma at least :x) and just skipped to a Volcarona sub-story. Totally would make that thread make more sense in terms of why it's different.

If they did that it would definitely make it interesting. I could see it being like you choose one of the legendaries in the final battle, and instead of saying N went off somewhere, it would make some kind of vague reference to him going to Relic Castle and releasing the other legendary. Then once you get there he could learn something about Pokemon from Volcarona becoming the sun for humans when they had no other way, and the people worshipping it, and the symbiotic relationship that Volcarona had with people, etc. Volcarona could be the example of harmony between people and Pokemon since it managed to do so much for people and people did so much for it in return, and then he can say that he's going to whatever place he went to in B/W and leave you alone to capture Volcarona, since you're the one that taught him the relationship that people and Pokemon could have and he believes that you're worthy to own such a Pokemon.

Of course this would be much more likely if Volcarona was an actual legendary, but who knows maybe they'll make it a legendary for the third game I wish :3 I think Volcarona would make a great cover Pokemon tbh, with its design omg so great and backstory already partially in place. Kyurem just seems kinda boring to me, tbh. Not sure why...maybe it's because everyone is so convinced it'll be him.

Bluerang1 July 25th, 2011 5:43 PM

Haven't posted here inawhile.

Urm... I definitely think Grey will be on the 3DS but I think the graphics will be awkward. 3D Dex points to this for me.

Xander Olivieri July 25th, 2011 7:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ryziken (Post 6762784)
I think that in the 3rd game, there may finally become a way to evolve Pachirisu into Emolga, and Luvdisc into Alomomola.

I know, its kind of a longshot, but they're just way too similar NOT to be evo pairs. I believe Pachirisu and Emolga even have the same hidden ability...

Forme changes are gettin kind of old, so I think they just might forge new evolutionary links between these old pokes and Unova pokes.

Also, Unown ---> Sigilyph ?? Eh? Ehh? Possible, I think.

Sorry. But they said there were absolutely no tie ins to the older generations. So this will not be happening. The whole point of Unova was to get rid of the linking to the old games and start over.

Volcarona...I can and I can't. I feel that if it were Volcarona there would be a different back story to the region and the updated version never completely changes the back story only slightly edits it.

I still think Cobalion or on of the Kami (Prefably Landorus) has the better chance. Odds are knowing Nintendo (and much to my great disliking) they'll do Kyurem even though you cannot access his place and he'd have no reason being outside of the Great Chasm.

ryziken July 26th, 2011 2:24 PM

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Originally Posted by XanderO (Post 6767422)
Sorry. But they said there were absolutely no tie ins to the older generations. So this will not be happening. The whole point of Unova was to get rid of the linking to the old games and start over.

From what I understood, BLACK and WHITE were meant to be like a new beginning, not the Unova region itself. And they were, in many ways. Until of course post-Elite Four, when you encounter routes and trainers with nothing but old pokes. So not exactly free of tie-ins to older generations...

But I dunno, I've been wrong before. I almost didn't expect there to be a fifth gen at all, since they took forever to promote it in the anime.

If not in the 3rd game of this gen, then maybe in gen 6 it will happen, but I believe it HAS to happen eventually.

Kenshin5 July 26th, 2011 4:14 PM

I'm not seeing the Pachirisu and Emolga thing happening. The reason they are similar like Plusle and Minun is cause they are all Pikachu clones.

I could see them maybe adding some previous generation pokemon pre-Elite 4, but I don't really see the need for it it though, not say I would rule the possibility out. They did make additions to Sinnoh Dex from DP to Plat.

As for Volcarona being the mascot I think it would be awesome seeing as it is the only stationary pokemon at level 70 like a Legendary and it is quite rare. But I think they want to go with Grey/Gray instead and add Kyurem(and have a different form to it like they did with Girantina in Plat.

Blastin'Tyruntz July 28th, 2011 4:12 AM

dudes!!

you forgot one primary thing!!!....
maybe the are not planning to do a 3rd game?!
did u ever thought about that????


because of all the crowd requests i think they will...but did u ever stopped and say "wait a minute why should they??"

dieter57 July 28th, 2011 2:16 PM

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Originally Posted by idankingo (Post 6771113)
dudes!!

you forgot one primary thing!!!....
maybe the are not planning to do a 3rd game?!
did u ever thought about that????


because of all the crowd requests i think they will...but did u ever stopped and say "wait a minute why should they??"

i think i remember that one of the head dudes at gamefreak said that they are not making one but i doubt it.

and i would love for Victini to be the mascot.

The 100 Mega Shock July 28th, 2011 2:19 PM

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Originally Posted by idankingo (Post 6771113)
because of all the crowd requests i think they will...but did u ever stopped and say "wait a minute why should they??"

I stopped one day, and I imagined Satoshi Tajiri himself swimming in a grand pile of money made off a game that doesn't cost nearly as much to make as new Pokémon games.

That's why.


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