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Azureth October 4th, 2010 9:03 PM

Will we ever get starters that AREN'T Grass/Fire/Water?
 
I would love to see Psychic/Ghost/Steel etc. starters.

Lateon October 4th, 2010 9:10 PM

As cool as that would be, it probably will never happen.

There's always been grass/water/fire starters; I think alot of people would feel cheated if they decided to change it. Change is good, but I don't know if I would like them changing that particular part of the game. Like I said, could be cool, however I can see the GF hating starting.

xJordan October 4th, 2010 9:49 PM

I highly doubt it. While it would be cool, it would disrupt the flow of the game. The Water/Leaf/Fire is... Pokemon's core. Other then Pokemon Yellow of course... but in that game you can catch all 3 starters. You must think that if a new range of starters is released, they each must have a counterpart to a weakness.

Azureth October 4th, 2010 9:53 PM

Does it have to be? Could they not rework the game so that you have different starters? Not every game HAS to have a rival for instance.

PlatinumDude October 4th, 2010 10:56 PM

I don't think it'll happen. The Grass/Water/Fire combination is pretty much traditional in the video games.

Fever October 5th, 2010 1:29 AM

They don't need to change the types of the starters.
What they could do in place of that is change the types of some of the pokemon available early in the game to include psychic/ice/steel etc. rather than having the regular bug/normal/flying types that we are used to.

Stellar October 5th, 2010 2:12 AM

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Does it have to be? Could they not rework the game so that you have different starters? Not every game HAS to have a rival for instance.
Pokemon has changed a lot over the years, but the smaller details such as these are what has stayed consistent throughout every generation. Without it, Pokemon wouldn't feel so much like Pokemon to some people.

Also, the games need more than just an evil organization as the antagonist. They need a singular character that you, the player, actually connects with. Your rival.

mervyn797 October 5th, 2010 2:44 AM

I don't think that something like that would happen. Fire, water and grass types are.. the elementary or the basic types of Pokemon, I guess. I don't completely rule out the possibility of this, though.

Pumpkin Fields October 5th, 2010 7:05 AM

I highly doubt it, grass/fire/water is a staple of the series.

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Originally Posted by Fever (Post 6203432)
What they could do in place of that is change the types of some of the pokemon available early in the game to include psychic/ice/steel etc. rather than having the regular bug/normal/flying types that we are used to.

This is a very good idea.

Idiot! October 5th, 2010 8:58 AM

Insert random filler here.

Neelh October 5th, 2010 9:28 AM

It's kinda Fire/Water/Ice/Air/Stone/Earth for Pokemon.

The elements I chose are what were used for every Bionicle year to 2008. Then they added Grass, Skrall, and Vorox and knocked off Air, Stone, and Earth. but that shouldn't interest you.

JessiexJackknife October 5th, 2010 3:28 PM

Tradition is strong in the PokeWorld, and tradition dictates that we have G/F/W starters.

I doubt it'll ever change.


Timbjerr October 5th, 2010 6:46 PM

As of right now, there's no real need for it to ever change, besides, the only other perfect triangle is Flying/Rock/Fighting. Definitely not the most interesting trio of types, -.-;

pleryt16 October 5th, 2010 6:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Timbjerr (Post 6204754)
As of right now, there's no real need for it to ever change, besides, the only other perfect triangle is Flying/Rock/Fighting. Definitely not the most interesting trio of types, -.-;

Ther is also Fighting, Psychic, and Dark

Sydian October 5th, 2010 7:11 PM

Maybe have one of those types as a secondary type for the final evo of each starter. That'd be nice. Otherwise, I do no want to see a change in the starter types.

Timbjerr October 5th, 2010 7:32 PM

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Originally Posted by pleryt16 (Post 6204759)
Ther is also Fighting, Psychic, and Dark

Dark is immune to Psychic whereas the other two are only resistant to their respective types. Not a true perfect triangle. :P

Kirbychu October 5th, 2010 7:42 PM

Grass/Fire/Water? I think you mean Grass/Fighting/Water.

I doubt it will ever change.

Erin October 5th, 2010 7:47 PM

I've always kind of felt like a game intended for older audiences where the player was a member of a criminal organization who went rogue would be interesting (I know they kinda did this with Coliseum, but... not really). In a game like that, Psychic/Dark/Fighting could work, as others have already mentioned.

Captain Hobo. October 5th, 2010 8:20 PM

I think that would be a good idea, but I don't think it will happen.

fenyx4 October 5th, 2010 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Timbjerr (Post 6204754)
As of right now, there's no real need for it to ever change, besides, the only other perfect triangle is Flying/Rock/Fighting. Definitely not the most interesting trio of types, -.-;

That trio would work, but I agree that it does not seem very interesting because those types really have almost no relation to each other aside from being other options for a 'super effective/not very effective' triangle.

With Fire/Water/Grass, they make a perfect triangle, with the first 2 commonly being seen in mythologies relating to the classical elements. In practically any story, if the main character/group or someone/-thing of the sort specializes in Fire, you can almost guarantee that a Water person, group, monster, etc. will be present in some way, shape, or form. Grass (or "Wood") is also seen as a represented element in various mythologies, though not nearly as common as Fire/Water conflicts are. Furthermore, red, blue, and green are the primary colors of light, so that's another relation. Lastly, the original Generation I Pokemon games (when you take in account the Japanese Pokemon Green Version as well) were represented by Fire/Water/Grass starters (Red, Blue, and Green Versions), so that theme has virtually manifested as one of Pokemon's core attributes in subsequent games.

Pokemon Yellow Version and Pikachu deserve a mention as yellow replaces green in the primary colors of paint. In addition, from my experience, yellow tends to be utilized as a 4th addition when red, blue, green have already been featured in some sort of trio (i.e., at the Battle Tower entrance in RSE, a Pokeball is surrounded by red, blue, green, and yellow tabs) - the same for green being a 4th addition when a red-blue-yellow trio has been established instead. Thus, yellow can be seen relating to the common RBG triangle.

And yeah, even though Fighting/Psychic/Dark does not make a perfect triangle, here is an excerpt of a post I wrote earlier on the matter of such a unique starter 'triangle'.

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Originally Posted by fenyx4 (Post 6191764)
As a side-note, I'd still like to see a Dark/Psychic/Fighting trio. Yes, I know the triangle is partly broken, but the Psychic-type could be granted a unique ability that removes the Dark-type's immunity to Psychic-type allows the user to hit Dark-types for "not very effective..." or normal effectiveness (similar to the effect of the move Miracle Eye). However, 'normal effectiveness' would still break the "not very effective" triangle...

The reason I prefer this "trio" is that the Fighting and Psychic-types represent two parallels of combat (physical combat, and mental/telekinetic combat). Furthermore, the two "alignments" of combat are utilized (as in, Fighting-types fight with just and honorable tactics, as opposed to Dark-types that use sneaky and underhanded, dishonorable tactics...)

I actually came up with three Fakemon Starter Pokemon lines that formed a trio of Dark/Psychic/Fighting... For Rule of Cool, the Fighting-type ended up as Fighting/Dragon, the Psychic-type ended up as Psychic/Poison with a Miracle Eye-esque ability to hit past Dark-type, and I really debated with the combo for the last one (it's a Dark-type, but the more prominent types I was debating on were Steel-type/Rock-type/Ice-type [allowed for a 4x weakness to Fighting-type, but I figured such combos would remind me too much of previous Pokemon made already] and Ghost-type (served the Pokemon's appearance, but would worsen the triangle even more)...

Anyway, I think it would be cool if at least one generation were able to deviate from the Fire/Water/Grass triangle of tradition, just to serve as a one-time refreshing change of pace from past games. :D

bwburke94 October 7th, 2010 5:44 PM

The thing with Fire/Water/Grass is that all 3 types resist themselves, if I remember correctly. The triangle IS broken by evolutions (Empoleon takes normal damage from Fire and Grass, but is weak to both other starters' secondary types.) Flying/Rock/Fighting could be the same way if the Flying gains the Steel-type, just like Empoleon did.

PaxAmericana October 8th, 2010 7:19 PM

most likely that will never happen, because Fire/Water/Grass trio is the thing they have done to starters since Kanto, I seriously doubt that would happen

Giraffe October 9th, 2010 1:11 AM

Fire/Water/Grass starters are also a good, simple starting point for people who are new to the game.

Prometheus October 9th, 2010 3:03 AM

Well, I like them but it would be nice too see electric.

Iceshadow3317 October 9th, 2010 3:58 AM

I do not think it will ever happen. Like others have said,Fire,Water,and Grass are the basic pokemon in all pokemon games.

Apostrophe October 10th, 2010 10:53 AM

Changing toe Grass/Fire/Water thing would be thinking too small. What they should do something is to stop recycling the same storyline they have been using for the past five generations now.

You mysteriously always start out in the same town as a professor who is more than willing to give you a Pokemon that can never be caught anywhere else. You are sent across the region with a Pokedex, seeking eight gym badges and the championship. Along the way, you meet a villanous team that you defeat over and over. You finally quell and disband them between your 7th and 8th badge. You fight your way through the league and fight the champion who is usually somebody you've seen before, and then they induct you into the hall of fame.

Why change the types of starters when you can get rid of starters altogether? What about a Pokemon game where you have to catch things yourself (like in a safari zone), where things aren't always handed to you?

redsaber5859 October 10th, 2010 11:05 AM

I love you-completely agreed with your cause
how about "Here son, go outside and catch yourself a Pokémon!" Instead of "OH HAI STRANGER U WANT ONE OF MY RAREST POKES????? OKEY HERE U GO AND ALSO TAKE MY EXPENSIVE POKEDEX"

Masterge77 October 10th, 2010 11:17 AM

Unless Gray/Grimson/Whatever has a diffrent Pokemon for the starter (most likely Zorua), it will continue to be Grass/Fire/Water, and they BETTER not make the Gen 6 Fire starter Fire/Fighting, or I will be really mad at their unoriginality on Fire starters for the last 3 generations.....

Timbjerr October 10th, 2010 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Apostrophe (Post 6214453)
Changing toe Grass/Fire/Water thing would be thinking too small. What they should do something is to stop recycling the same storyline they have been using for the past five generations now.

You mysteriously always start out in the same town as a professor who is more than willing to give you a Pokemon that can never be caught anywhere else. You are sent across the region with a Pokedex, seeking eight gym badges and the championship. Along the way, you meet a villanous team that you defeat over and over. You finally quell and disband them between your 7th and 8th badge. You fight your way through the league and fight the champion who is usually somebody you've seen before, and then they induct you into the hall of fame.

Why change the types of starters when you can get rid of starters altogether? What about a Pokemon game where you have to catch things yourself (like in a safari zone), where things aren't always handed to you?

I've heard a saying once that related to this somehow...how did it go again? Oh yea, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

Granted those are some pretty spiffy ideas, they would feel more at home in a spinoff than the main series. ;P

Apostrophe October 10th, 2010 11:52 AM

Actually, the saying doesn't apply here because the repetitiveness is making the games rather broken. It is especially out of place in Generation V, which is widely hailed as a "reset of the series" where most people I know (including myself) just saw "same ****, different Pokemon".

bOxieLiciOus October 17th, 2010 5:51 PM

it would be totally amazing, but to be certain, it would never happen. grass, fire and water are the basic elements for starters. ''>

Agent Clank October 17th, 2010 6:40 PM

Even though it'd be awesome, It most likely won't happen.
Plus, I like these kind of types as starters.

Archer October 17th, 2010 8:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Timbjerr (Post 6204835)
Dark is immune to Psychic whereas the other two are only resistant to their respective types. Not a true perfect triangle. :P

The triangle doesn't have to be perfect. Considering that stats and movepool make certain pokemon more effective that others regardless. Take into account the secondary typing from Gen IV and you have unbalanced triangles anyway. I still support a Psychic/Dark/Fighting setup.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Apostrophe (Post 6214453)
Changing toe Grass/Fire/Water thing would be thinking too small. What they should do something is to stop recycling the same storyline they have been using for the past five generations now.

You mysteriously always start out in the same town as a professor who is more than willing to give you a Pokemon that can never be caught anywhere else. You are sent across the region with a Pokedex, seeking eight gym badges and the championship. Along the way, you meet a villanous team that you defeat over and over. You finally quell and disband them between your 7th and 8th badge. You fight your way through the league and fight the champion who is usually somebody you've seen before, and then they induct you into the hall of fame.

Why change the types of starters when you can get rid of starters altogether? What about a Pokemon game where you have to catch things yourself (like in a safari zone), where things aren't always handed to you?

Nevertheless, Black and White have dumped a few of the stupid retained ideas, such as the TM breakage.

Have you play Colosseum and XD? They basically dump the old idea and it really works well. Neither were perfect, but they made things interesting. They need to follow that idea on the 3DS, but without the constant double battles.

I also think Nintendo needs to start looking at some of the ideas in these hacks. You get non-standard stories, starters, characters (with personality).


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