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Rose November 27th, 2004 2:26 AM

Can an old dog learn new tricks?
 
Alright, a little explanation is needed first :cross-eye

I haven’t played Pokemon since the good old days of Red and Blue, back before the TV show, the cards and most of the hype. Yes, it has been awhile. So when some good friends of mine told me about the remakes, it kind of sparked our interests again :dead:

After now having beaten the game (Elite Four + Islands 1-7) and finding some new really interesting features, here I am wanting some tips to get the upper hand against my friends. I have done my research and even played with the breeding system some… so let me know what you think :classic:

Disclaimer: We don’t intend to use anything but FR and LG; maybe Coliseum at some point, but not anytime soon.

Jolteon (Naïve) @ Leftovers
EV: Sp.Attack-252; Speed-252
- Thunderbolt (TM)
- Shadow Ball (TM)
- Toxic (TM)
- Substitute (Move Tutor)
Thoughts: Jolteon is fast, so having her as my lead makes sense when I know I can get her substitution out as the first move. From there, I throw out a Toxic (I really think poison could be more effective then stun, but let me know what you think) while protected by the substitute. At the end of the turn I get some HP back from the cost of the substitute, and am now ready to Thunderbolt or Shadow Ball if they have out a nasty psychic or ghost.

Blastoise (Timid) @ ???
EV: HP-252; Sp.Def-129; Def-129
- Surf (HM)
- Ice Beam (TM)
- Hydro Cannon (Starter Pokemon Move Tutor)
- Dig (TM)
Thoughts: Yes… two water attacks. Since this was my starter, I am reluctant to give up the Hydro Cannon even though Surf is more reliable and can be used more often. If you tell me to breed a new one however… I will. As for Ice Beam, that is to counter Grass and the Dig is to counter Electric.

Cloyster (Bold) @ Leftovers
EV: HP-252; Sp.Def-129; Def-129
- Ice Beam (TM)
- Rapid Spin (Egg Move from ???)
- Hail (TM)
- Spikes (Natural)
Thoughts: This one is suppose to make the opponent feel like they are darned if they do, darned if they don’t. Throw down spikes, cause hail, and then sit back with Ice Beam with the option of spinning away anything unpleasant. Good against pesty dragons.

Arcanine (Lonely) @ White Herb
EV: Attack-252; Speed-252
- Flamethrower (breed from Growlithe???)
- Extremespeed (Natural)
- Overheat (TM)
- ???
Thoughts: Alright, this one I need some help on. I would like to breed Flamethrower from Growlithe since you have to sacrifice it for Extremespeed… but can I do that? My goal with this one is to take advantage of the power house attack stat with an automatic first hit move. The White Herb negates stat reduction of Overheat, and an attack booster move would work well in the question mark spot, but I couldn’t figure out how to get one in there. Any thoughts?

Hitmonlee (Gentle) @ Quick Claw
EV: Attack-252; Speed-252
- Brick Break (Natural)
- Strength (HM)
- Endure (Natural)
- Reversal (Natural)
Thoughts: With brick break and strength, Hitmonlee can do well against almost anything. If he gets into a situation he can’t handle though, he uses endure to last through the attack and does a reversal to hit back hard. Straight forward?

Mewtwo (Docile) @ Twisted Spoon
EV: Speed-252; Sp.Attack-129; HP-129
- Psychic (Natural)
- Flamethrower (TM)
- Recover (Natural)
- Calm Mind (TM)
Thoughts: No big changes from the Mewtwo straight out of the box, but Flamethrower allows for a strong attack against bug and steel unlike the normal swift. Calm mind is there just to make Psychic do even more damage to everything else…

Alright… so there is how I am planning my team to look. Luckily I found this forum before starting anything irreversible, so be kind and let me know if you see any pitfalls in my thinking. Things I can’t change include the nature of Mewtwo and Hitmonlee, but the others I could breed from scratch.. although I would hate to do that to my baby Blastoise :\

Remember to keep in mind that we are only using FR and LG. Thanks! :D

Xilion_Sword90 November 27th, 2004 4:11 AM

Jolteon: His Attack Stat is bad. Check his Hidden Power. If its a Special type that is not Electric, use it. You can also Baton Pass the Sub (give the Sub to another Team member).

Blastoise: He can Rapid Spin actually...Hydro Cannon is very very bad. So is Dig. Counter/Mirror Coat and Roar/Haze/Rest as last move.

Cloyster: I personnaly dont like Hail and I would put Explosion instead... Breed Blastoise --> Omanyte --> Shellder to get Rapid Spin I think... But Blastoise can also Rapid Spin...

Arcanine: Choose Flamethrower or Overheat. Howl over Flamethrower/Overheat. Hidden Power/Aerial Ace as last move.

Hitmonlee: Get a Ditto and breed him. Scratch Brick Break and Strength for Rock Slide and Bulk Up.

Mewtwo: Consider Ice Beam or Thunderbolt too.

Shuckle November 27th, 2004 5:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rose

Jolteon (Naïve) @ Leftovers
EV: Sp.Attack-252; Speed-252
- Thunderbolt (TM)
- Shadow Ball (TM)
- Toxic (TM)
- Substitute (Move Tutor)
Thoughts: Jolteon is fast, so having her as my lead makes sense when I know I can get her substitution out as the first move. From there, I throw out a Toxic (I really think poison could be more effective then stun, but let me know what you think) while protected by the substitute. At the end of the turn I get some HP back from the cost of the substitute, and am now ready to Thunderbolt or Shadow Ball if they have out a nasty psychic or ghost.
meh, I guess so, but put wish over jolteon. =/ OU

Blastoise (Timid) @ ???
EV: HP-252; Sp.Def-129; Def-129
- Surf (HM)
- Ice Beam (TM)
- Hydro Cannon (Starter Pokemon Move Tutor)
- Dig (TM)
Thoughts: Yes… two water attacks. Since this was my starter, I am reluctant to give up the Hydro Cannon even though Surf is more reliable and can be used more often. If you tell me to breed a new one however… I will. As for Ice Beam, that is to counter Grass and the Dig is to counter Electric.
Even your EVs tell you its a tank, not a Sweeper. [+spd/df -at] Blastoise @ Leftovers Seismic Toss, Rest, Withdraw, Surf. I'll leave you some attacking moves because its ingame. =P

Cloyster (Bold) @ Leftovers
EV: HP-252; Sp.Def-129; Def-129
- Ice Beam (TM)
- Rapid Spin (Egg Move from ???)
- Hail (TM)
- Spikes (Natural)
Thoughts: This one is suppose to make the opponent feel like they are darned if they do, darned if they don’t. Throw down spikes, cause hail, and then sit back with Ice Beam with the option of spinning away anything unpleasant. Good against pesty dragons.
No. Water has many disadvantages and your using two. On top of the Cloyster wont survive anything whatsoever. Having Dragon problems? Jynx is your lady. Timid Jynx @ Lum LovelyKiss, Fake Tears, Ice Beam, Psychic. Give it special sweeping genes.

Arcanine (Lonely) @ White Herb
EV: Attack-252; Speed-252
- Flamethrower (breed from Growlithe???)
- Extremespeed (Natural)
- Overheat (TM)
- ???
Thoughts: Alright, this one I need some help on. I would like to breed Flamethrower from Growlithe since you have to sacrifice it for Extremespeed… but can I do that? My goal with this one is to take advantage of the power house attack stat with an automatic first hit move. The White Herb negates stat reduction of Overheat, and an attack booster move would work well in the question mark spot, but I couldn’t figure out how to get one in there. Any thoughts?
meh, I guess this could work. I'm fairly sure this thing can learn dig right? If so put that over Flamethrower and stick Howl in the last place.

Hitmonlee (Gentle) @ Quick Claw
EV: Attack-252; Speed-252
- Brick Break (Natural)
- Strength (HM)
- Endure (Natural)
- Reversal (Natural)
Thoughts: With brick break and strength, Hitmonlee can do well against almost anything. If he gets into a situation he can’t handle though, he uses endure to last through the attack and does a reversal to hit back hard. Straight forward?

Mewtwo (Docile) @ Twisted Spoon
EV: Speed-252; Sp.Attack-129; HP-129
- Psychic (Natural)
- Flamethrower (TM)
- Recover (Natural)
- Calm Mind (TM)
Thoughts: No big changes from the Mewtwo straight out of the box, but Flamethrower allows for a strong attack against bug and steel unlike the normal swift. Calm mind is there just to make Psychic do even more damage to everything else…

Alright… so there is how I am planning my team to look. Luckily I found this forum before starting anything irreversible, so be kind and let me know if you see any pitfalls in my thinking. Things I can’t change include the nature of Mewtwo and Hitmonlee, but the others I could breed from scratch.. although I would hate to do that to my baby Blastoise :\

Remember to keep in mind that we are only using FR and LG. Thanks! :D


Mullet November 27th, 2004 5:55 AM

Sorry to say but you have to breed a new Blastoise.

[email protected]
Nature:+Sp. attack,-attack
EVs:Sp. attack, def
Yawn
Seismic Toss
Ice Beam
Surf

[email protected]/Lum Berry
Nature:+Speed,-Attack
EVs:Sp. Attack, Speed
Psychic
T-bolt/Ice Beam
Calm Mind
Recover

Some of the breeding you have to do is use R/S but I'm not sure if you can't use them to breed, I'm just telling you that is one of the best Blastoises'.

I want to give some replacement suggestions but I don't know if you want them, so this is the best I can do.

Rose November 27th, 2004 12:22 PM

Thanks guys! I appreciate the help on this :classic:

As for replacements, I would be open to them but would need you to also explain the reasoning... especially if it's a pokemon from the national dex because I know very little about them :nervous:

I will do some more research on the suggestions made already though, and post later tonight when I get back home. Thanks again guys!

Shuckle November 27th, 2004 12:41 PM

Meh if you'd like I can de-OU your team and ditch that fugly oober.

Ice demon November 27th, 2004 5:31 PM

Yes a new dog can most definitely learn new tricks Rose ^^......However u should read the advance trainer guide at the top of this section and keep checking the battledex.
anyway -

Cloyster[modest]
EVs - hp,Def,SpAtt
spikes
rapid spin
surf/ice beam
explosion/toxic/surf/ice beam/protect

Standard - i like ice beam and explosion or surf and ice beam.But any would work

Blastoise[+def,-Sp]
EVs - hp,def,SpAtt
roar
surf
rapid spin
rest/ice beam

blah.......out classed so much.

Arcanine[jolly]@whiteherb
EVs - Att,Sp,SpAtt
overheat
howl
extremespeed
HP ground

Mind u a SpAtt sweeper isnt that bad a role for this dude

Hitmonlee[jolly]
EVs - Att,Sp,Def
substitute
focus punch
rockslide
endeavor

or
Hitmonlee[jolly]
EVs - Sp,Att,Def
earthquake
bulk up
rockslide
brick break

jolteon and mewtwo have already been covered by other members......


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