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o0PinkSquid0o October 14th, 2010 3:23 PM

Sonic the Hedgehog 4...UGH
 
hey guys

Just bought and played Sonic the Hedgehog 4 on my PS3 and MAN O MAN DOES IT SUCK!!!

Sega and IGN etc etc ranting about how its a new revolutionary sidescrolling sonic... got my hopes up and shattered my dreams!

The physics are off, the speed is like 1kmph and whats with the homing ****?

I'm a massive sonic fan (sonic back in the sega megadrive days) and I was so excited for this and now I'm mad coz I wasted a whole $20!

anyone else played this? feel the same way or do you think I'm being overly harsh? :)

GaXeL October 14th, 2010 3:28 PM

i played it, its just like the others but just with better graphics lol

o0PinkSquid0o October 14th, 2010 3:34 PM

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Originally Posted by GaXeL (Post 6223127)
i played it, its just like the others but just with better graphics lol

I hope you're joking D: Its nothing like the original besides looks.
Didn't you feel how slow he was? or how if you stop pressing right on the + pad he keeps slowly climbing up the wall anyway instead of sliding down? D:

turribul just tuuuurrribbuulllll

TwilightBlade October 14th, 2010 3:42 PM

Although Sonic 4 does not quite compare to its classics, I really enjoyed it. I have played from the Genesis era to the Gamecube era. I am not much of a Wii fan for Sonic (Colors will change that!).

You can always not use the homing attack in Sonic 4. When I asked my brother (also a classic fan) to help me defeat the Lost Labyrinth boss, he did not use the homing attack. He can platform better. I rushed it all and kept falling/drowning.

I liked most of Casino Street's levels (especially getting extra lives). I liked the Torch and Minecart gimmicks, surprisingly. Mad Gear is a bundle of fun. Try impending doom. I did not like Splash Hill. Nothing interesting/new. I am also annoyed by the amount of boosters and springs.

Ah, the physics... I've been lurking on the Sega boards and this is a major complaint. I watched one video comparing Sonic 1's and Sonic 4's physics. Okay, I agreed with most of his points. However, the only differences I actually noticed while playing are that:
1. Sonic does not gain momentum upon jumping mid arch on a loop de loop
2. Sonic does not continue running up a wall unless you hold the button (I'm used to just watching him run, so I let go of the control, and he abruptly falls in Sonic 4).

I don't really care for the spindashing errors. I only use that to get some speed because yeah, Sonic 4 on the Wii did seem slow. Faster framerate on the PS3.

Graphics are fine imo. Better than Pokemon Ranch/Rumble, the other games I have for Wiiware, lmao.

o0PinkSquid0o October 14th, 2010 3:50 PM

Hmm I have sonic on the PS3 and he is still reallly slow!

Arcanine October 14th, 2010 4:05 PM

I played the demo, and here's what I said after playing the first level.
"After playing the demo of Sonic 4, I got to say... the game feels slow. I even went to the options to see if there was a way to speed it up."

And it's true, the game feels slow. All of the other side scrolling Sonic games were about speed, everything was a blur and you were finished with the levels in 30 seconds. This one it's like they said "We got some pretty graphics, lets slow everything down so people can see.". It's not what I was hoping for, and I can't see myself getting the game. I wanted to get it because I played all the others... but... nope.

The 100 Mega Shock October 14th, 2010 5:01 PM

I thought new Sonic games were too fast.

Guess you can't win, huh.

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All of the other side scrolling Sonic games were about speed, everything was a blur and you were finished with the levels in 30 seconds.
This never happens outside of speedruns and experienced runs of Green Hill Zone or Emerald Hill Zone 1.

Kenpokid October 14th, 2010 5:48 PM

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Hmm I have sonic on the PS3 and he is still reallly slow!


Yes, Sonic '06 is a piece of garbage. But Sonic 4 is the best 2D since Sonic Advance 3.
And I was greatly impressed by the demo on the Xbox Live Arcade, it really captured the spirit of the first three or four games.

o0PinkSquid0o October 14th, 2010 5:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Kenpokid (Post 6223369)

Yes, Sonic '06 is a piece of garbage. But Sonic 4 is the best 2D since Sonic Advance 3.
And I was greatly impressed by the demo on the Xbox Live Arcade, it really captured the spirit of the first three or four games.

Sorry, I think I have misunderstood you, Sonic 06? I don't even know what that is, I meant i have sonic 4 on the PS3[/SIZE][/FONT]

Alistair October 14th, 2010 5:59 PM

I don't know, I got Sonic 4 Ep. 1 on my iPad and I rather enjoyed it, touch controls, changed physics and all. While I do agree that it doesn't compare to the originals, it's still a pretty good game in my eyes. One really nice touch I feel they added in was keeping the camera focused on Sonic while he was going through loops.

Kenpokid October 14th, 2010 6:06 PM

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Sorry, I think I have misunderstood you, Sonic 06? I don't even know what that is, I meant i have sonic 4 on the PS3

Sonic 06 was the crappy Sonic game that came out for the 360 and PS3 in, well, 2006. And you were just expecting too much.

o0PinkSquid0o October 14th, 2010 6:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Alistair (Post 6223389)
I don't know, I got Sonic 4 Ep. 1 on my iPad and I rather enjoyed it, touch controls, changed physics and all. While I do agree that it doesn't compare to the originals, it's still a pretty good game in my eyes. One really nice touch I feel they added in was keeping the camera focused on Sonic while he was going through loops.

See I hated that, it was too zoomed in, you can't see an enemy coming if you eventually manage to go fast.

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Originally Posted by Kenpokid (Post 6223402)
Sonic 06 was the crappy Sonic game that came out for the 360 and PS3 in, well, 2006. And you were just expecting too much.

I wasn't expecting too much, I was expecting what was fed to me by Sonic 4 Previews. "As good as teh orginals, blah blah" etc.

A Pixy October 14th, 2010 6:24 PM

I don't have it, but I don't think you should knock it because it isn't fast. Sonic games aren't all about speed, it's platforming.

I'll wait for all the episodes to come out before I buy it. o3o

o0PinkSquid0o October 14th, 2010 6:35 PM

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Originally Posted by THAT WONDERFUL PIXY GUY! (Post 6223455)
I don't have it, but I don't think you should knock it because it isn't fast. Sonic games aren't all about speed, it's platforming.

I'll wait for all the episodes to come out before I buy it. o3o

uhm sonic is DEFINITELY about speed! he's sonic, the fastest hedgehog, whats the point in making a sonic game without speed??
Its Speed with platforming, not platforming withs speed.

A Pixy October 14th, 2010 6:39 PM

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Originally Posted by o0PinkSquid0o (Post 6223473)


uhm sonic is DEFINITELY about speed! he's sonic, the fastest hedgehog, whats the point in making a sonic game without speed??
Its Speed with platforming, not platforming withs speed.

Protip: Go boot up your Genesis/Mega Drive, play Sonic 3 or something and see how fast Sonic goes.

In fact, I'll just post some gameplay. It's a mash-up, so mute it if you want to.



SONIC IS SO FAST MAN, FO' RIZZLE. ESPECIALLY AT 1:15 WITH THAT CAREFUL PLATFORMING.

Oh, and this is considered by many to be one of the best Sonic zones, Flying Battery Zone. S&K's 2nd and S3&K's 8th Zone and is too awesome on too many levels to count.

Oh, and I DARE you to run through Aquatic Ruin Zone at full blast. n_n

o0PinkSquid0o October 14th, 2010 6:43 PM

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Originally Posted by THAT WONDERFUL PIXY GUY! (Post 6223489)
Protip: Go boot up your Genesis/Mega Drive, play Sonic 3 or something and see how fast Sonic goes.

In fact, I'll just post some gameplay. It's a mash-up, so mute it if you want to.



SONIC IS SO FAST MAN, FO' RIZZLE. ESPECIALLY AT 1:15 WITH THAT CAREFUL PLATFORMING.

Oh, and this is considered by many to be one of the best Sonic zones, Flying Battery Zone. S&K's 2nd and S3&K's 8th Zone and is too awesome on too many levels to count.

Oh, and I DARE you to run through Aquatic Ruin Zone at full blast. n_n

I have been playing sonic 1 and 2 since I was about 7, don't talk to me about how fast it is, I still play it today and its so much smoother, faster and way more fun than the garbage Sonic 4!
I actually do run straight through the aquatic zone in sonic 2. The only Level I have trouble running straight through is mysterycave zone, damn those light bugs. The games still about speed though, even in the more complicated levels.

Edit: if sonic isn't about speed, whats the difference between Sonic and Mario? (and don't say something stupid like he's a hedgehog and mario is fat)

Also, I hope you're not actually 13, otherwise I am wasting my time, you weren't even born when sonic 1 and 2 or even 3 came out!

A Pixy October 14th, 2010 6:46 PM

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Originally Posted by o0PinkSquid0o (Post 6223504)


I have been playing sonic 1 and 2 since I was about 7, don't talk to me about how fast it is, I still play it today and its so much smoother, faster and way more fun than the garbage Sonic 4!
I actually do run straight through the aquatic zone in sonic 2. The only Level I have trouble running straight through is mysterycave zone, damn those light bugs. The games still about speed though, even in the more complicated levels.

Sonic is a platformer, not a 2D racing game with no one to race. o3o

Oh, and Labyrinth Zone.

Your argument is invalid.

o0PinkSquid0o October 14th, 2010 6:52 PM

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Originally Posted by THAT WONDERFUL PIXY GUY! (Post 6223512)
Sonic is a platformer, not a 2D racing game with no one to race. o3o

Oh, and Labyrinth Zone.

Your argument is invalid.

For a fan of sonic you don't really know much about it.
Just because you 'love' Sonic doesn't mean you have to love every game he's in for the sake of being loyal.

Sonic is about speed. 'Nuff said.

A Pixy October 14th, 2010 7:03 PM

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Originally Posted by o0PinkSquid0o (Post 6223529)


For a fan of sonic you don't really know much about it.
Just because you 'love' Sonic doesn't mean you have to love every game he's in for the sake of being loyal.

Sonic is about speed. 'Nuff said.

I don't 'love' the whole series, and I am 13. I gravitate to the old games not because people tend to hate the news ones, I gravitate to them because I know a good game when I see one. I do like the series as a whole but I have favourites.

Just because people are young doesn't mean they don't have the right to enjoy games, even if the games are older than they are. o3o

To answer your edit, the difference between Sonic and Mario is Mario is nothing more than taking every platforming trope and refining them to a point of platforming Nirvana. Sonic is about defying some of the basic tropes of exploration, point getting and is about trying to get through the stages as quickly as possible as opposed to enough whatevers to get to the next level.

Like I just said, Sonic is a platformer, get to the end as quickly as possible, yes, but the whole thing isn't just a speed run. The game understands what it is and doesn't completely defy it because that would leave a weird void, like the game is half finished. It can't just be RUN TO THE END, that wouldn't take much skill. Trust me, I've played fangames that are all about speed, they're horrible. Sometimes Sonic needs to slow down to create some variety, just like in that Flying Battery Zone clip I pointed out. If you try to move fast through that section time is going to run out. o3o

Oh, and you seemed to pull those comments from me out of no where. I'm defending Sonic 4 because you're saying it sucks because it's slow. I said that Sonic is a platformer at its roots, you denied it and here we are. :<

butterbiscuit October 14th, 2010 7:07 PM

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Originally Posted by o0PinkSquid0o (Post 6223529)


For a fan of sonic you don't really know much about it.
Just because you 'love' Sonic doesn't mean you have to love every game he's in for the sake of being loyal.

Sonic is about speed. 'Nuff said.

So, Sonic is about just mindless speed and no strategy or other gameplay at all? Sounds like a racing game. Sonic is not a racing game.

Also, you didn't even respond to Pixy's statement, just just blabbed about how he doesn't know anything.
As Pixy said, your argument is invalid.

o0PinkSquid0o October 14th, 2010 7:09 PM

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Originally Posted by THAT WONDERFUL PIXY GUY! (Post 6223556)
I don't 'love' the whole series, and I am 13. I gravitate to the old games not because people tend to hate the news ones, I gravitate to them because I know a good game when I see one. I do like the series as a whole but I have favourites.

Just because people are young doesn't mean they don't have the right to enjoy games, even if the games are older than they are. o3o

To answer your edit, the difference between Sonic and Mario is Mario is nothing more than taking every platforming trope and refining them to a point of platforming Nirvana. Sonic is about defying some of the basic tropes of exploration, point getting and is about trying to get through the stages as quickly as possible as opposed to enough whatevers to get to the next level.

Like I just said, Sonic is a platformer, get to the end as quickly as possible, yes, but the whole thing isn't just a speed run. The game understands what it is and doesn't completely defy it because that would leave a weird void, like the game is half finished. It can't just be RUN TO THE END, that wouldn't take much skill. Trust me, I've played fangames that are all about speed, they're horrible. Sometimes Sonic needs to slow down to create some variety, just like in that Flying Battery Zone clip I pointed out. If you try to move fast through that section time is going to run out. o3o

Oh, and you seemed to pull those comments from me out of no where. I'm defending Sonic 4 because you're saying it sucks because it's slow. I said that Sonic is a platformer at its roots, you denied it and here we are. :<

Firstly You cannot defend something you HAVE NOT PLAYED
Secondly see the red text.

I never said you couldn't slow down to play sonic, some parts you HAVE to slow down. I also never said sonic wasn't a platforming game. I said sonic is about speed which you pointed out in your rant many times. The point in sonic is to get from point A to point B as fast as possible.
Thats why at the end of each level they calculate your speed and give you a higher score!
In multiplayer in sonic two the point is to RACE. Race and get to the end asap!

Now you have not played Sonic 4 so you cannot comment on how slow it is! He starts out at walking pace and picks up NO speed for about 5 - 8 seconds!! The physics are all off, this game was badly made. its SLOW. You cannot deny, even if you wont agree with me, that sonic does involve speed. Now whats the point in sonic 4 if they don't even involve speed properly??

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So, Sonic is about just mindless speed and no strategy or other gameplay at all? Sounds like a racing game. Sonic is not a racing game.

Also, you didn't even respond to Pixy's statement, just just blabbed about how he doesn't know anything.
As Pixy said, your argument is invalid.


wow... people really cannot read. I never said that it was not about strategy or platforming... although the old sonic games weren't really about it that much :S its a speed game with platforming in it!
I could play the old sonic games with my eyes closed. you don't need that much strategy to get through the game. I know all the hidden areas I know where all the boxes are and I know the point of the game is to get to the end as fast as you can... what more do you want??
I think the hardest part is the last stage, making sure you have all the chaos emeralds, thats the only strategy you REALLY need.

Arcanine October 14th, 2010 7:11 PM

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Originally Posted by The 100 Mega Shock (Post 6223284)
This never happens outside of speedruns and experienced runs of Green Hill Zone or Emerald Hill Zone 1.

Wow... You take things too literal.

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Originally Posted by THAT WONDERFUL PIXY GUY! (Post 6223455)
I don't have it, but I don't think you should knock it because it isn't fast. Sonic games aren't all about speed, it's platforming.

If Sonic games aren't about speed then how come the commercials for the original games talked about speed and not platforming as you say?
A few commercials such as.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIIagVIQEpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mK0OFsWWzu4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1mJEJXYssg

Not everyone was as lucky as me back in the day, I had both an SNES and a Sega Genesis. But I remember how Sonic was pushed as a "Young, hip, speed demon" and Sega said Mario was just a slow old guy.
Don't get me wrong, there is a platforming part of the game. But Mario had platforming down pat. So Sega wasn't going to get away with just another platformer, so thus they came up with the speedy Sonic.

So thus I go back to my original post... Sonic 4 feels slow. Sonic 1, 2, and 3 were about speed. This one is said to be the next in line... and it's not fast... yea it failed in my eyes.

A Pixy October 14th, 2010 7:25 PM

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Originally Posted by o0PinkSquid0o (Post 6223568)
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Originally Posted by THAT WONDERFUL PIXY GUY! (Post 6223556)
I don't 'love' the whole series, and I am 13. I gravitate to the old games not because people tend to hate the news ones, I gravitate to them because I know a good game when I see one. I do like the series as a whole but I have favourites.

Just because people are young doesn't mean they don't have the right to enjoy games, even if the games are older than they are. o3o

To answer your edit, the difference between Sonic and Mario is Mario is nothing more than taking every platforming trope and refining them to a point of platforming Nirvana. Sonic is about defying some of the basic tropes of exploration, point getting and is about trying to get through the stages as quickly as possible as opposed to enough whatevers to get to the next level.

Like I just said, Sonic is a platformer, get to the end as quickly as possible, yes, but the whole thing isn't just a speed run. The game understands what it is and doesn't completely defy it because that would leave a weird void, like the game is half finished. It can't just be RUN TO THE END, that wouldn't take much skill. Trust me, I've played fangames that are all about speed, they're horrible. Sometimes Sonic needs to slow down to create some variety, just like in that Flying Battery Zone clip I pointed out. If you try to move fast through that section time is going to run out. o3o

Oh, and you seemed to pull those comments from me out of no where. I'm defending Sonic 4 because you're saying it sucks because it's slow. I said that Sonic is a platformer at its roots, you denied it and here we are. :<

Firstly You cannot defend something you HAVE NOT PLAYED
Secondly see the red text.

I never said you couldn't slow down to play sonic, some parts you HAVE to slow down. I also never said sonic wasn't a platforming game. I said sonic is about speed which you pointed out in your rant many times. The point in sonic is to get from point A to point B as fast as possible.
Thats why at the end of each level they calculate your speed and give you a higher score!
In multiplayer in sonic 1 and two the point is to RACE. Race and get to the end asap!

Now you have not played Sonic 4 so you cannot comment on how slow it is! He starts out at walking pace and picks up NO speed for about 5 - 8 seconds!! The physics are all off, this game was badly made. its SLOW. You cannot deny, even if you wont agree with me, that sonic does involve speed. Now whats the point in sonic 4 if they don't even involve speed properly??

NOW READ THE BLUE TEXT WHERE I CLARIFY WHAT I SAID. n_n

Also, I haven't played Sonic 4, but you make it sound like Sonic is just one big race with no depth. Yes, Sonic has speed, that's what makes him unique. It's his thing. Without it, it just isn't Sonic. If I were to recommend S3&K to someone, I would say that it has speed, yeah, but it has more than that. The Chaos Emerald stages are challenging and rewarding, the levels are interesting, the music is awesome, the level design is clever, the bosses are well designed and the final boss is pure awesomeness materialized. I would not say he runs fast and leave it at that. That would make it sound like something simple and basic and you can't just sell Sonic short like that. Sonic's genre is PLATFORMER, Speed is his GIMMICK. Genre dominates everything else, not gimmick. That's illogical.

And every platformer is about getting from Point A to B asap, Sonic just tends to point that out a bit more. If they don't involve speed in some way that whole gimmick thing has gone down the tubes. That's why the calculate how fast you got through the level. BTW, Mario games do that too.

Oh, and you said Sonic is, quote:

[jq]Sonic is about speed.[/jq]

Don't contradict yourself. n_n

In short: Speed is GIMMICK. Platforming is MAIN FOCUS.

Without Main Focus, Speed has no purpose anymore, now does it?

@Arcanine: That was kind of a selling point. It wasn't really that true and I'm not saying Sonic doesn't have speed, I'm just saying it's not OMGSPEEDWTFBBQ. THIS GAME IS AWESOME BECAUSE IT IS FAST.

Even if I saw those, I'd come for the speed, I'd stay for everything else. The gimmick works. o3o

o0PinkSquid0o October 14th, 2010 7:32 PM

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Originally Posted by THAT WONDERFUL PIXY GUY! (Post 6223608)
NOW READ THE BLUE TEXT WHERE I CLARIFY WHAT I SAID. n_n

Also, I haven't played Sonic 4, but you make it sound like Sonic is just one big race with no depth. Yes, Sonic has speed, that's what makes him unique. It's his thing. Without it, it just isn't Sonic. If I were to recommend S3&K to someone, I would say that it has speed, yeah, but it has more than that. The Chaos Emerald stages are challenging and rewarding, the levels are interesting, the music is awesome, the level design is clever, the bosses are well designed and the final boss is pure awesomeness materialized. I would not say he runs fast and leave it at that. That would make it sound like something simple and basic and you can't just sell Sonic short like that. Sonic's genre is PLATFORMER, Speed is his GIMMICK. Genre dominates everything else, not gimmick. That's illogical.

And every platformer is about getting from Point A to B asap, Sonic just tends to point that out a bit more. If they don't involve speed in some way that whole gimmick thing has gone down the tubes. That's why the calculate how fast you got through the level. BTW, Mario games do that too.

Oh, and you said Sonic is, quote:

[jq]Sonic is about speed.[/jq]

Don't contradict yourself. n_n

In short: Speed is GIMMICK. Platforming is MAIN FOCUS.

Without Main Focus, Speed has no purpose anymore, now does it?

@Arcanine: That was kind of a selling point. It wasn't really that true and I'm not saying Sonic doesn't have speed, I'm just saying it's not OMGSPEEDWTFBBQ. THIS GAME IS AWESOME BECAUSE IT IS FAST.

Even if I saw those, I'd come for the speed, I'd stay for everything else. The gimmick works. o3o

Omg, I honestly don't know how to reply to you...You've literally just blown my brains out with your drivel!!

If you go back to my original point, Sonic 4 is slow. Sonic is about speed. Sonic 4 being slow means it isn't like the original sonic games which it claims to be.

I really have no idea what else to say. Clearly you're not listening.

wow... next plz.

A Pixy October 14th, 2010 7:37 PM

Sonic is a platformer.

Therefore, his games are about platforming.

Speed is his gimmick.

Speed isn't the heart and soul of the game, all the common tropes of platforming are.

Oh, and I'm replying to you saying Sonic is all about speed. I dare you to say that Sonic is all about speed at Sonic Retro. n_n

o0PinkSquid0o October 14th, 2010 7:42 PM

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Originally Posted by THAT WONDERFUL PIXY GUY! (Post 6223628)
Sonic is a platformer.

Therefore, his games are about platforming.

Speed is his gimmick.

Speed isn't the heart and soul of the game, all the common tropes of platforming are.

Oh, and I'm replying to you saying Sonic is all about speed. I dare you to say that Sonic is all about speed at Sonic Retro. n_n

SPEED IS A GIMMICK?? omg, omg, omg I think I am having a heart attack seeing you say that!!!


Its. based. on. speed. wow, wow, wow!

FYI I don't know what Sonic Retro is, I just play the games, I don't go to sonic cosplay's or sonic conventions or whatever. I enjoy the game's for what they are.

A Pixy October 14th, 2010 7:45 PM

[jq]Gimmmick: In marketing language, a gimmick is a unique or quirky special feature that makes something "stand out" from its contemporaries.[/jq]

Sure as hell sounds like a gimmick to me.

TwilightBlade October 14th, 2010 7:51 PM

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We’re happy to confirm that the entire level has now been revamped and finalized for consoles, this time featuring a new torch mechanic that adds to the exploration and the platforming (Yes, Sonic is more than just speed!) of the act.
...
This entire act was one of the biggest and most important updates that our teams felt very strongly about, and we hope you’re all happy with our change to make the Act itself all about platforming and exploration!
http://blogs.sega.com/usa/2010/08/19/sonic-4-update-blog-part-i/#more-5804

A combination of both platforming and speed. Pretty silly to butt heads over it. Some levels are speed oriented and some take the 5+ minutes.. Latter can be enjoyable if you use your imagination.

A Pixy October 14th, 2010 7:58 PM

All I'm trying to say is Sonic has depth. He has a gimmick, the gimmick works, the end.

It's like someone saying Pokemon is all about battling and has no depth. o3o

o0PinkSquid0o October 14th, 2010 8:05 PM

Speed would fit into the category of 'gimmick' if it was a gimmick. Its not a gimmick, its the actual point of the game.
And Again, I never said it wasn't a platforming game. so wow, get over it.

Yuoaman October 14th, 2010 8:34 PM

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Originally Posted by o0PinkSquid0o (Post 6223669)
Speed would fit into the category of 'gimmick' if it was a gimmick. Its not a gimmick, its the actual point of the game.
And Again, I never said it wasn't a platforming game. so wow, get over it.

It's a platforming game. Ergo it is the main point - speed is just something that sets it apart, making it a gimmick.

o0PinkSquid0o October 14th, 2010 8:38 PM

I weep for society today.

Back on topic thnx, we're talking about what you think of the new game, not what the old games were or weren't :S

Yuoaman October 14th, 2010 8:47 PM

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Originally Posted by o0PinkSquid0o (Post 6223725)
I weep for society today.

Back on topic thnx, we're talking about what you think of the new game, not what the old games were or weren't :S

I know, it's ridiculous that cephalopods are able to derail a conversation so far by repeatedly fighting the dictionary and genre classification.

o0PinkSquid0o October 14th, 2010 8:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Yuoaman (Post 6223738)
I know, it's ridiculous that cephalopods are able to derail a conversation so far by repeatedly fighting the dictionary and genre classification.

are you being a smart ass? coz its not really contributing to the topic.
Also big words don't make you look smart, jus' sayin.

Arcanine October 14th, 2010 9:05 PM

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Originally Posted by o0PinkSquid0o (Post 6223757)


are you being a smart ass? coz its not really contributing to the topic.
Also big words don't make you look smart, jus' sayin.

And you're contributing to the thread more then anyone else right? All you do is post going "Blah blah blah speed, blah blah blah, I can't hear you!".
Quite frankly I'm fed up with it, if you can't post in a reasonable state of mind with at least a little something to back up posts then you don't need to be posting in the thread.

o0PinkSquid0o October 14th, 2010 9:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Arcanine (Post 6223771)
And you're contributing to the thread more then anyone else right? All you do is post going "Blah blah blah speed, blah blah blah, I can't hear you!".
Quite frankly I'm fed up with it, if you can't post in a reasonable state of mind with at least a little something to back up posts then you don't need to be posting in the thread.


Why can't I defend my opinions? its ok to have someone stomp all over mine without me being able to defend myself?

and hey, I tried to move the conversation on, I'm genuinely interested in what people think of the game :S
I didn't know some kid was going to tell me sonic has nothing to do with speed.

countryemo October 14th, 2010 9:37 PM

Well though I agree that some stuff is differnent in physics then the old versions but perhaps, it was made to make the game more easier and enjoyable to newer players?
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Dont get me wrong, I like the older games too. Also the newer ones.
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If I get it, I would possiply enjoy it. I dont uassly like video games, even the old ones which you guys keep saying that they are the "best"
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I cant wait to try it, seems like fun :)

Hewitt October 15th, 2010 2:34 AM

Downloaded it for the PS3 on Wednesday, and I like it, though I do have two minor points to make:

1. Whilst I wouldn't say it's too slow, it does seem like it takes a little bit longer to get going than the other games (Though using the homing attack without a lock seems like a minor speed boost). The speed dash doesn't seem to be as good either (Seems to slow right down quickly at times. Not handy for going up to higher places).

2. I always like nostalgia, but am I the only thinking they've gone a little TOO nostalgic? It seems like I'm replaying parts of Sonic 1 and 2 with an added twist (The boss battles with Robotnik/Eggman are my main example). In a way, it's good, but I would of liked to have seen some new stage types.

Overall, I do enjoy it, and I'm now heading back to get all the chaos emeralds to get Super Sonic. :D

Masterge77 October 15th, 2010 3:04 AM

When I first saw this, I could only say this:

Seriously Sega, GIVE UP ALREADY!!!!!

A Pixy October 15th, 2010 4:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by o0PinkSquid0o (Post 6223778)
I didn't know some kid was going to tell me sonic has nothing to do with speed.

I.

Never.

Said that.

You know what I did say?

[jq]Sonic is a platformer.

Therefore, his games are about platforming.

Speed is his gimmick.

Speed isn't the heart and soul of the game, all the common tropes of platforming are.[/jq]

THAT.

Don't put words in my mouth pl0x. n_n

loliwin October 15th, 2010 4:23 AM

Im looking forward to buying this... if I hav $20. :(

The 100 Mega Shock October 15th, 2010 1:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arcanine (Post 6223572)
Wow... You take things too literal.

I don't think you managed to convey what you were attempting to say very well, in that case.


Anyway, whilst Sonic's big selling point (or gimmick, whatever) from the start was speed, (Just take a look at the back cover of Sonic 1, or the 'Blast Processing' advert for the Sega Genesis) the games have always include a fair deal of platforming and slower-paced elements (This is especially true with Sonic 1 - Star Light Zone is probably the fastest level after Green Hill Zone, while Marble Zone, Labyrinth Zone and Scrap Brain Zone all contain a fair bit of platforming segments, and your speed is greatly docked whilst in water)

It's this (or the lack of) combination of manageable speed and platforming elements that has constituted the main argument against the modern side-scrolling Sonic games (Advance 2 & 3, the Rush series, the side-on sections of Unleashed to name a few) and appears to be what Dimps/SEGA are trying to get back to with Sonic 4.

I played through to EGG Station last night and I gotta say that Sonic's speed and control feels quite tight once you start getting the hang of the physics engine and the general layout of the levels. Sure, I can think of a list of things that should be tweaked for Episode 2, but it's some of the most fun I've had playing Sonic since Advance 1.

HaloSonic October 15th, 2010 1:55 PM

even though i haven't played it, i did the next best thing by watching a playthrough of the whole game. It isnt that bad. its just that it has nothing new in it. and homing attack isnt new.

TRIFORCE89 October 15th, 2010 8:44 PM

More of these types of games need to be like Megaman 9 and less like Sonic 4 and NSMB.

Eruption October 16th, 2010 3:34 AM

I played the trial game which was way too short to have an opinion on.

I might get it if there aren't too many episodes, since each episode is 1200msp.

Prometheus October 16th, 2010 5:40 AM

My brother downloaded it on the XBOX360 and is really pleased, I looked at it and it seems good!

.Wolfie-kun. October 18th, 2010 7:41 AM

Got it on my 360 and I really liked it, it feels like the old Mega Drive games with an added Sonic Rush element to it, but thankfully not too much.

The retro style music just adds to the nostalgia.

The frustration factor has definitely returned XD - I raged so much on Casino Street, got Mad Gear and Lost Labyrinth left... God help me XD

One last thing, the Special Stage... most trippyest thing I have EVER seen.

Who's smart idea was it to put a kaleidoscope as the background? It's eye rape when playing on a HDTV ;_;

I'm gonna have lots of fun collecting those emeralds... if my eyes don't burn off first!

IceGod64 October 18th, 2010 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by o0PinkSquid0o (Post 6223121)
anyone else played this? feel the same way or do you think I'm being overly harsh?

The game is not horrible in my opinion. I'm not a Sonic fan, but I was there for the genesis games.

Sonic's speed in Sonc 4 isn't too far off from how fast he was in the Genesis games, the levels contain a lot of splitting paths usually, and there's almost always at least one chance to save yourself from dying in a death pit. If you mess that chance up, then that's not the games fault, it gave you one chance to redeem yourself for messing up.

But yes. Despite these, it is still a bad game.
-Controls are so stiff, you cannot carry momentum at all. The only real momentum in the game is by Homing attacking onto a boss. Everything else is just grotesquely tight controls. Even just jumping doesn't feel good. It's definetly not like a Sonic game.
-You can STOP and STAND on a 90 degree slope. Not just that, but it's not even difficult! My 11 year-old niece could do it! She was standing there, on the wall, crouching, and looking up. Great job with those physics.
-Here's something else that contributes to the jumping physics. If you are moving fast, stop inputting a direction and jump. Enjoy losing all speed murderously fast. This presents itself as a problem at all times, especially in Casino Start act 2.
-The special stage had a good idea, but the execution was HORRIBLE. In Sonic 1, sonic would roll along the walk, stick to it as he should, making the special stages hard, but not unplayable. Of course, you can expect them to get this right, right? He hops stupidly along wall, giving you know options to use the wall to align yourself, which puts the later stages completely down to luck in some places - That's not a good thing.

So, my take? Yes, it's a bad game, it has some seriously fatal flaws... But, it can be fun, points for that.
5.3/10

Witch October 18th, 2010 11:45 AM

played the demo. It wasn't all that great. I think I'll stick to my old sonic collection disc. Maybe if the price drops or something, I might get it. It didn't have that certian feel like the other games have/had

Palkia October 18th, 2010 11:52 AM

I haven't played the demo, but i cannot honestly understand all the bashing for this game. Why are pepole hating this game because of the psycis. Is that the least you could complan about?

Eternal Nightmare October 18th, 2010 12:17 PM

Really arguing over wheter a video game is good or bad and try to wooo others into your opinion...just wow. Everyone is going to have there opinions so it either just best to ignore the comment or just shut up is what I say. Honestly, I believe. Why sonic is hated so much is not because Sega(almost) but because of his whipplashing nostalgic fanboys who want the original thing.

With the said, yes I am a Sonic fan and I have been dashing through loop de loops with the little rodent since the beggining. I am not nostalgic when it comes to something new as I want a fresh an new experience with games and although I haven't played Sonic 4 I think I does that completly. The homing attack makes it fresh and sets it outside from its genesis days and includes in a bit of something gained from Sonics poor 3D days. From what I seen and read the controls are indeed tight and when Sega want to fix the gravity they literally gave sonic a real gravitational pull towards the ground..

Anyway, I think the main purpose of this game was to cater to the undying appetite of the nostalgic sega fanboys who grew up with Sonic and that's why everything seems to be rehashed levels and bosses...something that has actually not impressed me but the stage do look hella fun though. The soundtrack isn't really that great in my opinion as well but it still gives off a nice classic and viberant feel like the originals. The game is pretty good to me but I'm hoping for some originality and creativity in episode 2. Also I think people tend to forget that this game is Episodic so this is the beggining so please stop the crap and play all the episodes together -back to back before judging the WHOLE game

Barney. October 18th, 2010 12:20 PM

Just want to talk about the speed/platforming thing. He's called Sonic. BLAST PROCESSING.


Anyway, 4 is ok..It does feel sluggish, and is WAY too zoomed in, impossible to not run into something and lose those rings. It's still pretty fun though.

o0PinkSquid0o October 18th, 2010 1:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barney. (Post 6231471)
Just want to talk about the speed/platforming thing. He's called Sonic. BLAST PROCESSING.


Anyway, 4 is ok..It does feel sluggish, and is WAY too zoomed in, impossible to not run into something and lose those rings. It's still pretty fun though.

OMG yes! I forgot to mention how zoomed in it is! I tried to play it again last night, was doing the casino night zone, now srsly thats one of the easiest zones ever and I still ran into multiple enemies because I just couldn't see them coming. Stupid camera

Crystal-Heart October 18th, 2010 5:50 PM

I'm enjoying Sonic the Hedgehog 4. Its what I was hoping for. Its a continuation of the classic Genesis games, but its not a carbon copy of them like MegaMan 9 & 10 (which are still great games). I think the speed was alright, I remember in the Genesis games, I would usually run faster then the screen could scroll. The homing attack is actually really good. I remember they tried implementing it into Sonic Rush and it didn't work so well, this time it does.

Also, one of the things I am most excited about was when I got the 7th Chaos Emerald, I was able to turn into Super Sonic! How long has it been since we could play as Super Sonic on the normal levels? I missed it.

My personal belief is that Sonic's main problem is the hold over nostalgic fans that have hated the games since Sonic Adventure and want them to produce carbon copies of the old games.

o0PinkSquid0o October 18th, 2010 6:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crystal-Heart (Post 6232237)

My personal belief is that Sonic's main problem is the hold over nostalgic fans that have hated the games since Sonic Adventure and want them to produce carbon copies of the old games.

That is not true, I loved sonic adventure battle 2 and I loved sonic rush (I also loved him in super smash bros brawl :P). Just because you're a sonic fan DOES NOT mean you have to LOVE EVERYTHING he's in :S thats just silly, you're allowed to dislike things you'd usually have liked if it is actually bad.

I hate it when people use the nostalgic thing in the wrong way.

And thats actually another thing I didn't like about sonic 4, the fact that the first stage was almost exactly the same as sonic 1's first stage and the first boss, exactly the same.
I don't want the games to be the same, I just wanted Sonic to feel as smooth as he used to and they failed me.

Pokémandias October 18th, 2010 7:06 PM

This is going to be mad trolling because I am a huge Sonic hater. Sure, like everybody I liked the original Sonic, Sonic 2, and Sonic & Knuckles but they literally have not made a good Sonic game since then and there are THOUSANDS of them. It's come to the point where when they announce there's going to be a new Sonic game it's like saying there's going to be a new Barbies Horse Adventure game starring the Olsen Twins. Sonic is synonymous with bad games as far as I'm concerned.

I did play Sonic 4, and even though it's better than most, at best it's worse than New Super Mario Bros. but with nothing good in between.

ソラ October 18th, 2010 11:57 PM

1] - Sonic the Hedgehog 4 - Episode 1 - is only the 1st episode of the game, it isnt the full game, so sit down and wait for what is in store.

2] - He is slow so what. it helps you watch out for close calls falls. like what Pixy said its platforming.

3] - I enjoyed the game, as a Fan of the type of the game of Sonic the Hedgehog, 2, 3, and Sonic and Knuckles, I approve of this game, and I cant wait for more.

skppy1225 October 19th, 2010 10:14 AM

I disagree completely. I think the game is absolutely fantastic, and a great reboot of a series that needed it.

I don't see why people are saying that the games are slow. It's not about speed, it's about platforming. It's not about being able to race through a level in under 30 seconds, it's about being able to dodge a barrage of enemies, pitfalls, and other traps and still make it through the level. The speed is just like the original games - it's simply there to compliment the experience.

I will admit that the special stages were a bit annoying. I did manage to get all 7 Chaos Emeralds, but it was still pretty tricky to do. The final level was also pretty difficult and I'm still trying to earn the Untouchable trophy.

Overall, I thought it was a fantastic start to Sonic 4 and I certainly can't wait to see the rest!

The 100 Mega Shock October 19th, 2010 10:31 AM

Sonic's model is pretty much the same height on-screen as his sprite is in Sonic 1. Taking the widescreen into account, you've in fact got a greater horizontal viewing area.

Crystal-Heart October 19th, 2010 6:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by o0PinkSquid0o (Post 6232301)


That is not true, I loved sonic adventure battle 2 and I loved sonic rush (I also loved him in super smash bros brawl :P). Just because you're a sonic fan DOES NOT mean you have to LOVE EVERYTHING he's in :S thats just silly, you're allowed to dislike things you'd usually have liked if it is actually bad.

I know, I don't like the Secret Rings game. However, I prefer Sonic the Hedgehog 4 to Sonic Rush. Sonic was too fast in Rush and his homing attack seldom worked in those games.

I wasn't saying this in regards to you, per se, but other fans I've seen who constantly whine and cry that Sonic isn't short and chubby, that his quills are too long, he's too tall, or that his eyes are green. I've seen people who's entire complaints about Sonic 4 before its release were that and that alone.

When it comes to Sonic games, Sonic 3 & Knuckles (aka True Sonic 3) and Sonic Adventure 2 are my favorite games. Sonic 4 isn't perfect, but its definitely a step in the right direction.

o0PinkSquid0o October 19th, 2010 7:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crystal-Heart (Post 6234089)
I know, I don't like the Secret Rings game. However, I prefer Sonic the Hedgehog 4 to Sonic Rush. Sonic was too fast in Rush and his homing attack seldom worked in those games.

I wasn't saying this in regards to you, per se, but other fans I've seen who constantly whine and cry that Sonic isn't short and chubby, that his quills are too long, he's too tall, or that his eyes are green. I've seen people who's entire complaints about Sonic 4 before its release were that and that alone.

When it comes to Sonic games, Sonic 3 & Knuckles (aka True Sonic 3) and Sonic Adventure 2 are my favorite games. Sonic 4 isn't perfect, but its definitely a step in the right direction.

I agree the homing in sonic rush was pretty bad, I just though sonic rush felt more like a sonic game then most of the newer ones did.

Also I actually like the way new sonic looks. I just wish his speed matched what it used to :(

A Pixy October 19th, 2010 7:57 PM

There was a homing attack in Sonic Rush?

I WAS NEVER INFORMED. I knew, I just didn't care to use it.

Witch October 20th, 2010 6:01 AM

beat it at a friends house who bought the whole game & really, I don't think it's terrible, it's just not what I was expecting. There's certainly fun to be had here & it's a heck of a nostalgia trip. My problem is the fact that it's being released in episodes. >___> I mean, I can't do anything about that, but seriously. Seriously!?

o0PinkSquid0o October 20th, 2010 2:17 PM

yeah.. does that mean we have to pay $20 per episode?? What if there ends up being 8 - 10 of them?? ridiculous

Yuoaman October 20th, 2010 3:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Para-Dox (Post 6231386)
I haven't played the demo, but i cannot honestly understand all the bashing for this game. Why are pepole hating this game because of the psycis. Is that the least you could complan about?

Quote:

Originally Posted by o0PinkSquid0o (Post 6235548)
yeah.. does that mean we have to pay $20 per episode?? What if there ends up being 8 - 10 of them?? ridiculous

If there are more than three episodes I will be greatly surprised. It wouldn't be economical to charge more than $60 for a 'full' game.

A Pixy October 20th, 2010 4:17 PM

Allow me to do the math.

15 dollars per episode.

There will be 4 episodes.

$15 x 4 Episodes = $60

Each episode contains 4 zones and a Doomsday/Death Egg/Final type act.

Each Zone consists of 3 acts + said Final Acts.

Within the 4 episodes, there will 16 Zones and 4 Doomsday/Death Egg/Final type acts.

3 x 16 + 4 = 52

The 60 dollar entry price / 52 act number = .86

You're paying about 86 cents per act sooo...

I don't see the problem. o3o

o0PinkSquid0o October 20th, 2010 4:20 PM

Firstly games in Australia cost more than they do in America, I paid $20 for act 1.
Secondly I didn't know it was confirmed to have 4 acts only
Thirdly, I think $80 is too much for a sonic game.

Crystal-Heart October 20th, 2010 5:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by o0PinkSquid0o (Post 6234235)


I agree the homing in sonic rush was pretty bad, I just though sonic rush felt more like a sonic game then most of the newer ones did.

Also I actually like the way new sonic looks. I just wish his speed matched what it used to :(

I think his speed is fine in Sonic 4, I think he's about the same speed he was in Sonic 1.

A Pixy October 21st, 2010 6:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crystal-Heart (Post 6236080)
I think his speed is fine in Sonic 4, I think he's about the same speed he was in Sonic 1.

Don't argue with this guy, he's under the illusion Sonic's speed comes before his platforming.

Quote:

Originally Posted by o0PinkSquid0o (Post 6235867)
Firstly games in Australia cost more than they do in America, I paid $20 for act 1.
Secondly I didn't know it was confirmed to have 4 acts only
Thirdly, I think $80 is too much for a sonic game.

$1.53 per act doesn't sound that horrible either. :<

o0PinkSquid0o October 21st, 2010 6:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by THAT WONDERFUL PIXY GUY! (Post 6238338)
Don't argue with this guy, he's under the illusion Sonic's speed comes before his platforming.



$1.53 per act doesn't sound that horrible either. :<

No one was arguing with me :S He thinks the speed is fine, I don't.

$80 for a mediocre game that I was actually looking forward to is a lot of money for me. I have bills, a mortgage and food to put on the table.

Also, I have to save for fable 3 ;_;

A Pixy October 21st, 2010 7:11 PM

That's why you don't have to pay it all at once. Just 20 dollars every few months. :<

o0PinkSquid0o October 21st, 2010 7:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by THAT WONDERFUL PIXY GUY! (Post 6238410)
That's why you don't have to pay it all at once. Just 20 dollars every few months. :<

Or I just wont buy any more Acts until I have nothing else to play.

Crystal-Heart October 22nd, 2010 3:00 AM

I think its funny people are complaining about the price when there are people who pay $15 a month to play an online game.

Not to mention, look at the price of some games after you pay for DLC and the like.

o0PinkSquid0o October 22nd, 2010 3:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crystal-Heart (Post 6238823)
I think its funny people are complaining about the price when there are people who pay $15 a month to play an online game.

Not to mention, look at the price of some games after you pay for DLC and the like.

well if you're a person who plays MMO's that have monthly fees and you complain about the price then yeah bit silly. But I don't play them :( And I've never bought DLC :(

Hewitt October 22nd, 2010 3:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crystal-Heart (Post 6238823)
I think its funny people are complaining about the price when there are people who pay $15 a month to play an online game.

Not to mention, look at the price of some games after you pay for DLC and the like.

I laugh a bit when I see plenty on IGN's forums bashing the price, yet think how many of them paid the same for three new MW2 maps and two copy and paste jobs.

Anyhow, this game is taking most of my time atm, trying do everything possible. Struggling to get the chaos emeralds though, anyone else finding it difficult at times?

AfroBanzai October 22nd, 2010 3:47 AM

Yea I played the demo and I wasn't impressed. It was just so slow and it took so long to get speed up and even at full speed he wasn't fast.

Just my opinion.

Crystal-Heart October 22nd, 2010 9:53 AM

Having played Sonic 2 & Sonic 3 today, he doesn't seem that much slower then either one. The reason he seems slower is because the screen stays with him this time. In Sonic 2 & 3, he would outrun the screen, which made him seem that much faster.

Also, just so you people know, even though it says Sonic the Hedgehog 4: Episode 1, it is a full game, with its own final boss, ending sequence, and credits. I should know, I just beat it, with all 7 Chaos Emeralds. Super Sonic is very fast, so you all should enjoy that.
Spoiler:
The Final Boss is Eggman's Mecha-Robotnik Mech from Sonic the Hedgehog 2 with some new tricks for phase 2

There was a surprise after the credits setting up for Ep. 2.
Spoiler:
A partially blacked out Metal Sonic who's eyes suddenly turn on.

o0PinkSquid0o October 22nd, 2010 1:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crystal-Heart (Post 6239255)
Having played Sonic 2 & Sonic 3 today, he doesn't seem that much slower then either one. The reason he seems slower is because the screen stays with him this time. In Sonic 2 & 3, he would outrun the screen, which made him seem that much faster.

Also, just so you people know, even though it says Sonic the Hedgehog 4: Episode 1, it is a full game, with its own final boss, ending sequence, and credits. I should know, I just beat it, with all 7 Chaos Emeralds. Super Sonic is very fast, so you all should enjoy that.
Spoiler:
The Final Boss is Eggman's Mecha-Robotnik Mech from Sonic the Hedgehog 2 with some new tricks for phase 2

There was a surprise after the credits setting up for Ep. 2.
Spoiler:
A partially blacked out Metal Sonic who's eyes suddenly turn on.

oh wait what? Now I am confused haha, so there will be 4 acts and each act will be a whole game? or there is only one act that cost 20$? if thats the case I'm happy.

Also Did you not notice how slow sonic gains momentum in sonic 4? Its soo slow. Sonic 1 and 2 he gets faster right away.

A Pixy October 22nd, 2010 2:26 PM

What gave you the idea you were paying $15/20 per act? $15/20 per game. More like 21 cents per act if you're counting one Episode. :<

Or 38 cents from what you're saying. Does that sound so horrible?

Also, METAL SONIC IS IN EPISODE 2?

OMGWTFAWESOMESAUCE?

Also, momentum?

That's why they threw in the Spin Dash.

Okay, they through it in because Star Light Zone is UUUUUGGGGGHHHHHH, but my point remains valid. Just Spin Dash. :<

o0PinkSquid0o October 22nd, 2010 2:40 PM

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Originally Posted by THAT WONDERFUL PIXY GUY! (Post 6239787)
What gave you the idea you were paying $15/20 per act? $15/20 per game. More like 21 cents per act if you're counting one Episode. :<

Or 38 cents from what you're saying. Does that sound so horrible?

Also, METAL SONIC IS IN EPISODE 2?

OMGWTFAWESOMESAUCE?

Also, momentum?

That's why they threw in the Spin Dash.

Okay, they through it in because Star Light Zone is UUUUUGGGGGHHHHHH, but my point remains valid. Just Spin Dash. :<

I meant episodes, not acts, I keep confusing myself.
And yeah, $20 per episode is still meh to me... if they add multiplayer in the next episode I'll be happier.... but doubt that will happen D:

A Pixy October 22nd, 2010 3:56 PM

I don't mind ponying up that much money for pure fun into my eyeball. Sure, it won't be as good as S3&K, but I'll take what I can get. n_n

Oh, and there BETTER BE MULTIPLAYER.

I DEMAND MULTIPLAYER SA3 STYLE.

Crystal-Heart October 23rd, 2010 1:35 AM

Yeah, not much can top Sonic 3 & Knuckles.

There's no multiplayer in Sonic 4, since Sonic is the only playable character. I'm expecting Tails and maybe Knuckles to be in Episode 2 though, since they were two characters, along with Metal Sonic, not to be on the list of characters confirmed to not be in (although Amy Rose was on it).

Quote:

Originally Posted by o0PinkSquid0o (Post 6239606)

oh wait what? Now I am confused haha, so there will be 4 acts and each act will be a whole game? or there is only one act that cost 20$? if thats the case I'm happy.

Also Did you not notice how slow sonic gains momentum in sonic 4? Its soo slow. Sonic 1 and 2 he gets faster right away.

Yes, Sonic the Hedgehog 4: Episode 1 is a game in itself. It has 4 Zones with 3 acts and 1 boss each, a Final Zone (which has a boss rush) followed by a Final Boss, Credits, and 7 Chaos Emeralds.
Based on the ending, Sonic the Hedgehog 4: Episode 2 will only continue Episode 1's storyline in a similar style to Sonic 2 to Sonic 3 or Sonic 3 to S&K.

Sonic does gain momentum slower, but now nearly as slowly as you make it out to be. Its hardly noticeable. You almost have to be looking for problems to actually notice it. Besides, its really not that big a deal. If Sonic was to go too fast, he could more easily run into enemies like was common in Sonic 2 & Sonic 3.

I am hoping that Episode 2 will have a different Special Zone, I hate Episode 1's, but not as much as I hate Sonic 1's.

Jeremy October 23rd, 2010 3:07 AM

Well sweeties, having installed the .wad file and installing it on my modded Wii purchased the game on my Wii, and beating it in less than 2 hours. It was...alright. I liked it, but I rather play Sonic 2. It doesn't really live up to it's name.

Brendino October 24th, 2010 1:53 AM

I played Sonic 4 on my iPod Touch, and I'll admit it wasn't bad, but it wasn't great either. Most of the concepts reminded me too much of previous games, especially Casino Street -> Casino Night and Mad Gear -> Metropolis. I was going to get it on my PS3 (only have the demo), but I think I'll either wait until the price drops from $15, or until Episode II comes out. Hopefully the next game will be a little more creative/less based on previous games, and includes other characters like Knuckles and Tails. For now, I think I'll stick with Sonic 2 and 3&K.

Crystal-Heart October 24th, 2010 3:15 AM

The reason that there were zones in this that reminded of Green Hill/Emerald Hill, Casino Night, and Metropolis is because they were trying to invoke nostalgia, which is also why they reused alot of enemies from Sonic 1-3 in Sonic 4. I wouldn't be surprised if some parts of Sonic 3 and Sonic CD appear in Episode 2.
I enjoyed the references, to tell you the truth. They probably should've used more original bosses though.

Fox♠ October 25th, 2010 8:02 AM

I really really think it was super creative how they used mostly bosses from old sonic games alongside slightly edit levels from old sonic games. Sega when we said we wanted a new sonic game that was true to Sonic's routes we didn't mean rehash some old stuff and sell it to us again.

A Pixy October 29th, 2010 2:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Fox♠ (Post 6246189)
I really really think it was super creative how they used mostly bosses from old sonic games alongside slightly edit levels from old sonic games. Sega when we said we wanted a new sonic game that was true to Sonic's routes we didn't mean rehash some old stuff and sell it to us again.

I also found that whole 'REHASH CENTRAL' ideal rather dumb.

If memory serves me, excluding Sonic 1, it's also been in Sonic & Knuckles (but Mecha Sonic is driving it) and Sonic Advance. The boss is kind of fun to fight, but it's overused. I understand Dimps is trying to go for Nostalgia they can't put into gameplay because...

They aren't Sonic Team circa 1991, so they tried to go for outright making people re-experience their childhoods. But they ended up having this game pretty re-hashy. I hope for better in Episode 2. :U

Rucario November 1st, 2010 2:56 PM

I didn't get to play it, but I really want it. It's good to see that we are getting back to Sonic. None of this sword and shield wielding business, just speed and platform. It may not be as good as the originals, but I'm sure it will be better than the recent Sonic games that we have seen before this.

avolonsaber November 29th, 2010 8:56 AM

I honestly don't think that Sonic 4 is a bad game at all. Sure, the physics are kind of bad, but have they ever actually caused anyone problems? The only place my gameplay was effected by the physics was in Splash Hill Zone, and that just consisted of me not having enough speed so I sometimes got stuck on the side of a hill/loop; and that just made me laugh. The homing attack, for me, was a welcomed addition to the game. Of course there are those who will scrutinize "the original Sonic had no homing attack!", and that's true, but it gave me a sense of nostalgia plus the feeling of playing something new. A few of the Bubbles were really misplaced, but you could just restart the level at the cost of one of your probably hundred-something lives and avoid or destroy them. Bottomless pits were a piss-off, but after a few tries they were easily conquered. My only other real compliant involved the new Special Stages. I hated that they added a time limit, and that you need a certain number of rings to access a new part of the area. There were some misplaced bumpers in the Special Stages too, which made me want to tear my hair out at times, but it provided a challenge none-the-less. People are giving this game such bad reviews and saying its terrible. I'm a die-hard Sonic fan, and despite problems, I love it, and I'm looking forward to Episode II. :D


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