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Gymnotide October 19th, 2010 11:32 AM

Old Pokemon in Gen V
 
ITT: cbf searching for proper thread.

This thread is ONLY to discuss changes made to Gen I-IV Pokemon or additions that make certain Pokemon better or worse. Examples:

Moveset changes --
  • Omastar gained Shell Break, which trades -1 DEF, -1 SpD for +2 ATK, +2 SpA, and +2 SPE. This is a phenomenal change, as Omastar doesn't really need his defenses and becomes a Special Attack juggernaut with the sharps in both his SpA and SPE stats.
  • Manectric gained Volt Change, which is a big excitement for me.
  • Volbeat's Tail Glow now grants +3 SpA instead of only +2. This is really exciting for Baton Pass.
  • Ampharos gained Cotton Guard, which grants +3 DEF. Not exactly strategically useful, but I would love that for in-game use.
  • Shedinja gained Life Gamble LOL!!

Ability changes --
  • Ninetales gained Drought. Politoed gained Drizzle. Now that we have every permanent auto-weather condition on a legal user, I can see many different weather-based teams arising.
  • Ditto gained Eccentric, which when paired with Choice Scarf, allows Ditto to copy and outspeed ANY Pokemon right off the bat. This makes Ditto a much more viable Pokemon and one that can wreck teams that aren't ready for it.
  • Slowbro gaining Regeneration makes me very happy. Now he's even bulkier than before. You can expect to see him on my team.
  • Charizard gained Solar Power, significantly buffing his already-strong Special Attack. With Ninetales' Drought in stow, there might be some havoc to be wreaked (unless Hippowdon or Tyranitar come to save the day).

The question to answer, though is: what changes are you most looking forward to playing with once the game comes out in English?

MartinJF October 19th, 2010 12:19 PM

Shinx got magnet rise, which can really help Luxray.

Fushigidane-Chan October 19th, 2010 12:27 PM

Ninetales is amazing now. It got exactly what it needed to compete against its fellow Fire-types.

Amai October 19th, 2010 12:45 PM

About Shedinja and Life Gamble..

Maybe when you use it at exactly 1 HP, it kills yourself and the Pokemon you use it on instantly (1-hit KO)

Erufuun October 19th, 2010 12:59 PM

Okay... How about the type changes for Rotom??
PLEASE tell me that not all of them have Levitate?!
Fan Rotom is part Flying type now... Levitate and Flying?! What the heck is with that? XD

Devil Flamingo October 19th, 2010 2:42 PM

Actually, Cotton Guard would definitely be useful on Ampharos if you would prefer it to Reflect. With his good HP and SpDef, a defensive Ampharos is a mini-tank. Slap a Calm or Sassy Nature on the thing, make it have Cotton Guard or Reflect, and possibly Light Screen or Thunder Wave, plus two attacks, and the wool-less sheep is set for life, yep. :D Cotton Guard works wonders on my Elfoon whether I use it in sync with Substitute or Protect, or even by itself. Never underestimate the power to max out your defense in only two turns. :D I can also see defensive Altaria sets running this move; it's epic win. The only other non-5th-gen pogey that got it is Jumpluff, but just like with Marakacchi, I don't see how it's going to use it given its defenses. As far as I'm concerned, only Altaria, Ampharos and Elfoon have a base defense stat anywhere near decent enough to warrant the use of this move (90, 75, and 85 respectively).

I'll post about other changes lately; gotta do homework now lol.

PlatinumDude October 19th, 2010 5:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Erufuun (Post 6233530)
Okay... How about the type changes for Rotom??
PLEASE tell me that not all of them have Levitate?!
Fan Rotom is part Flying type now... Levitate and Flying?! What the heck is with that? XD

The Rotom forms still have Levitate, though their types are different now. And I agree; Flying with Levitate is really redundant.

Blaziken gets Speed Boost to boost its mediocre Speed over several turns. It also gets Hi Jump Kick as a more reliable STAB move than Superpower.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire October 19th, 2010 5:12 PM

I love the additions of new moves and dream world abilities for gen 3 Pokemon :)
Though I think that swamperts dsa isn't as good as they could have given it, they should have given it swift swim...as it's fast on mud and rain and the ground make mud...

GaXeL October 19th, 2010 5:22 PM

I lol'd at shedinja, I'd rather have wonder guard

Gymnotide October 19th, 2010 7:00 PM

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Originally Posted by GaXeL (Post 6233850)
I lol'd at shedinja, I'd rather have wonder guard

Shedinja's only ability still remains to be Wonder Guard. It gets a new egg move called Life Gamble, though. Life Gamble does damage to your foe equal to the amount of HP you have left (and then it kills you). It's funny because it will always do 1 HP and Shedinja dies.

edit I'm excited that Sableye is actually usable now. He gained Mischievous Heart so he now has priority Substitute, Recover, Toxic, Will-O-Wisp, Sunny Day, Rain Dance, and Confuse Ray. Even Garchomp can't kill Sableye unboosted.

Cyberglass October 20th, 2010 5:02 AM

I'm interested in the new Shuckle move, Power Split, which not only makes it that much more of a wall, it allows it to attack back and actually do some damage. Combined with Power Trick, this makes Shuckle a strong tank with an ungodly attack stat, high special defense, and a lower defense stat which doesn't matter because the opponent just had its attack halved anyway. Of course, this takes a while to set up and only leaves room for two attacks, but I'm excited as a Shuckle fan that the little guy can now fight back instead of just absorbing damage.

Devil Flamingo October 20th, 2010 7:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Gymnotide (Post 6234158)
Shedinja's only ability still remains to be Wonder Guard. It gets a new egg move called Life Gamble, though. Life Gamble does damage to your foe equal to the amount of HP you have left (and then it kills you). It's funny because it will always do 1 HP and Shedinja dies.

edit I'm excited that Sableye is actually usable now. He gained Mischievous Heart so he now has priority Substitute, Recover, Toxic, Will-O-Wisp, Sunny Day, Rain Dance, and Confuse Ray. Even Garchomp can't kill Sableye unboosted.

oh god, finally! seriously, Keen Eye and Stall are so much fail, he really needed something different, and finally GF delivered via DW! he's gonna be so much win now plz. :D

Oh, and if Life Gamble on Shedinja doesn't prove GF likes to troll people, I don't know what does.

...Wait, no, hold on. Real trolling would be for Blissey, Wailord or Mamanbou to learn Life Gamble and fire off a special move off their huge HP, hah (though Life Gamble is special, meaning Mamanbou wouldn't be so good with it given her pathetic spA, but Blissey and Wailor would make awesome use of it all the same, hmmm).

Anyways, other goodies that I'm excited about include Regeneration Tangrowth. This guy really needed something to differentiate him from all other Grass types and GF finally delivered. I adore Tangrowth, but his boring abilities in DP made me stop using him, and sent him to UU after a few months in UU. Being able to recover HP with that awesome base 100 is gonna be win.

Pokeball Mushroom makes better use of Regeneration though, with one less weak, just as many resistances, access to Spore, and 114 base HP. :D

Ho-Oh October 20th, 2010 7:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gymnotide (Post 6234158)
Shedinja's only ability still remains to be Wonder Guard. It gets a new egg move called Life Gamble, though. Life Gamble does damage to your foe equal to the amount of HP you have left (and then it kills you). It's funny because it will always do 1 HP and Shedinja dies.

...lol that's an amazing attack. It's like giving it Curse. Totally pointless. o_O

I haven't been really keeping up with the changes regarding other Pokemon, but drought and drizzle in the first post? I dunno, those abilities don't really match up with those two imo, but oh well, GF's choice. :x Seems more for stronger Pokemon? idk (then again they're probably strong and I don't even know probably lol).

Livewire October 20th, 2010 7:26 AM

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Originally Posted by PlatinumDude (Post 6233818)
The Rotom forms still have Levitate, though their types are different now. And I agree; Flying with Levitate is really redundant.

Blaziken gets Speed Boost to boost its mediocre Speed over several turns. It also gets Hi Jump Kick as a more reliable STAB move than Superpower.

Blaziken with Speed Boost will be ridiculous if used correctly. o__o Hi Jump Kick still carries the recoil if it misses though, right? So it's still a bit of a double edged sword.

Sydian October 20th, 2010 7:33 AM

Can anyone say hello Speed Boost Blaziken? :) I was also a little sad about the Rotom form type changes, but it also brings in some crazy new type combos, like Grass/Electric, Ice/Electric, and my favorite, Fire/Electric. Though without the ghost typing anymore, what's gonna happen to it in the metagame? Hm hm hmmm.

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I haven't been really keeping up with the changes regarding other Pokemon, but drought and drizzle in the first post? I dunno, those abilities don't really match up with those two imo, but oh well, GF's choice. :x Seems more for stronger Pokemon? idk (then again they're probably strong and I don't even know probably lol).
Politoed and Ninetales needed it. Now they can play in a higher tier than they did in generation IV. At least that's what I'm hoping for. Even though they don't look the part, this is still good for those two.

Quote:

Shedinja's only ability still remains to be Wonder Guard. It gets a new egg move called Life Gamble, though. Life Gamble does damage to your foe equal to the amount of HP you have left (and then it kills you). It's funny because it will always do 1 HP and Shedinja dies.
It doesn't autofaint, but even still, tacking this on to Shedinja is pretty lol.

Tony Stark October 20th, 2010 9:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Sydian (Post 6234857)
Politoed and Ninetales needed it. Now they can play in a higher tier than they did in generation IV. At least that's what I'm hoping for. Even though they don't look the part, this is still good for those two.

Drizzle Politoed and Drought Ninetales should be meta-game breaking in OU now. I can see weather teams being everywhere. :D it'll make things interesting, that's for sure.

Gymnotide October 20th, 2010 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sydian (Post 6234857)
It doesn't autofaint, but even still, tacking this on to Shedinja is pretty lol.

Life Gamble does damage equal to your remaining HP to both sides. The only way it doesn't autofaint is if the foe dodges, the foe is immune to Fighting-type attacks, the target faints before the attack works, or the foe uses Protect / Detect. Shedinja will die after inflicting 1 HP.

King Gumball October 20th, 2010 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gymnotide (Post 6235125)
Life Gamble does damage equal to your remaining HP to both sides. The only way it doesn't autofaint is if the foe dodges, the foe is immune to Fighting-type attacks, the target faints before the attack works, or the foe uses Protect / Detect. Shedinja will die after inflicting 1 HP.


Lol that is pretty pathetic, only inflicting 1Hp then dieing. What a waste.

GaXeL October 20th, 2010 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gymnotide (Post 6234158)
Shedinja's only ability still remains to be Wonder Guard. It gets a new egg move called Life Gamble, though. Life Gamble does damage to your foe equal to the amount of HP you have left (and then it kills you). It's funny because it will always do 1 HP and Shedinja dies.

edit I'm excited that Sableye is actually usable now. He gained Mischievous Heart so he now has priority Substitute, Recover, Toxic, Will-O-Wisp, Sunny Day, Rain Dance, and Confuse Ray. Even Garchomp can't kill Sableye unboosted.

O lol that's even funnier

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire October 20th, 2010 4:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Live_Wire466 (Post 6234850)


Blaziken with Speed Boost will be ridiculous if used correctly. o__o Hi Jump Kick still carries the recoil if it misses though, right? So it's still a bit of a double edged sword.

Yeah but with the lens that increase accuracy on (I forgot there name) it will also never miss...and be very dangerous...

Erufuun October 20th, 2010 5:45 PM

Oooh, and what about Porygon2 with the new hold item Evolution stone?? (Which raises both defenses of a Pokemon capable of evolution one stage) He is now a GODLY tank!! I mean he now has the ability to wall as well as Pokemon like Skarmory and Lugia! And with Trace, which can destroy Pokemon like Gyarados, Jolteon, Heatran! (Just to name a few) With Recover as well! I really hope he doesn't get banished to Uber or something. ;~;

Gymnotide October 20th, 2010 6:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Magmaruby and Aquasapphire (Post 6235836)

Yeah but with the lens that increase accuracy on (I forgot there name) it will also never miss...and be very dangerous...

That's a bad item. Also, it still has a 1% chance to miss.
You're better off using something more... Potent.

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Originally Posted by Erufuun (Post 6236068)
Oooh, and what about Porygon2 with the new hold item Evolution stone?? (Which raises both defenses of a Pokemon capable of evolution one stage) He is now a GODLY tank!! I mean he now has the ability to wall as well as Pokemon like Skarmory and Lugia! And with Trace, which can destroy Pokemon like Gyarados, Jolteon, Heatran! (Just to name a few) With Recover as well! I really hope he doesn't get banished to Uber or something. ;~;

Dusclops and Gligar are also notable users of the Pre-Evolution Stone.

Åzurε October 20th, 2010 8:43 PM

I laugh at Shedinja. If I manage to acquire one with Life Gamble, I'd keep it just for lulz. Claw Sharpen+ Baton Pass has the possibility of being a new trick for Sheddy.

Lapras has Hydration to go with Rest now. Bulky waters seem to have gotten some good tricks overall, as well. Boiling Water seems a viable substitute for Surf in some cases.

PlatinumDude October 20th, 2010 9:27 PM

Life Gamble + Shedinja might see some sort of use. When it's up against a Pokemon with 1 HP left (will be obvious when the opponent hangs on using Sturdy, Endure or Focus Sash), it can use Life Gamble and take the opponent with it. Other than that, it's a lulzy combo.

Sceptile + Unburden is pretty much pointless, IMO, because Sceptile is fast enough already.

Niprop October 20th, 2010 10:01 PM

Sabeleye, Lickilicky, and most importantly, Ditto all got major improvements that will likely help them rise in usage. Heck, even Seaking got an immunity to Electric attacks. As for those worrying about it's former position of one of the worst fully evolved Pokémon it the game, don't worry, Lumineon fills up that space left behind quite nicely, so Luvdisc won't feel so lonely.

As for Porygon2...


I hoped...

I thought of the idea...

I dreamt of the notion...

As soon as I learned of the Miracle [of Evolution]...

I cheered.

Porygon2, now equipped with the Prevolution Stone, has defenses on par with giants such as Deoxys-D and Lugia! Coupled with the fact that It has higher Special Attack then both, along with Trace, makes it very, very formidable.

However...

As for Porygon-Z on the other hand, all it got was Analyze (This coupled with the fact that it is the only Pokémon to learn Trick-Room naturally is starting to make me think that Game Freak considers it bulky...), a hand-me-down from Porygon2, and Psycho-Shock, which though is only really useful for taking down Blissey, is still a much better option to attempting to go mixed
(no thanks to Download), or relying on Hyper Beam.

Oh well, I'm just happy that Porygon2 is now to the extreme! (Being able to learn Curse again wouldn't hurt, though!)


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