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Nearsighted king of Ice October 30th, 2010 8:50 PM

Did Blue's/Gary's Raticate Die
 
after you beat your rival in the SS. Anne His Ratata Will be a Raticate but when you battle him later in the Lavander town Pokemon tower The Raticate is no longer in his team and he'll ask you something like "have you ever seen your pokemon die" or something like that so did it die? or he just exchanged it with the other pokemon he said he captured

pkmntrainerpaul October 30th, 2010 11:15 PM

Actually, it's possible.
Why would he go to Pokémon Tower anyway?

tkallab October 31st, 2010 3:34 AM

Most likely yes, but we´ll never know. Of course, he could also just be deposited. There´s no telling.

Heart's Soul October 31st, 2010 10:52 AM

We have a creepypasta thread that details this. But nobody knows. Not even TPC.

Itstoppedatumbreon October 31st, 2010 12:34 PM

yes it did die.well IMO it did. And i will always think that
they kinda IMPLIED it was dead, which is never good....

Timbjerr October 31st, 2010 3:57 PM

Please stop spreading this rumor.

Blue simply released his Raticate in favor of fire/water/grass elementals to compliment his starter.

He was in Pokemon Tower looking for a Cubone, as it was implied in his dialogue.

That is all.

The End

jujuju October 31st, 2010 7:55 PM

Yeah, there was already a thread on this a while back. My thought is he simply put it in the box. I don't think it was the intention of the creators of the game to make people believe that he had killed one of his pokemon. Don't really know how you would be able to kill a pokemon anyway

Nearsighted king of Ice October 31st, 2010 8:21 PM

how about that rumor of cubones are supposed to be baby kangaskhans with their mom's skull mounted on their heads

Stellar October 31st, 2010 9:37 PM

Quote:

Please stop spreading this rumor.

Blue simply released his Raticate in favor of fire/water/grass elementals to compliment his starter.

He was in Pokemon Tower looking for a Cubone, as it was implied in his dialogue.

That is all.

The End
It's a viable possibility that deserves some thought... sheesh. They implied multiple things in the games (including your theory and this topic itself) but none of them were necessarily confirmed or otherwise. This is what discussion is for, and until an authority on the games decides to debunk this rumour, it will never be "the end." /rant.

Personally, I would like to believe in this theory. We know that Pokémon can die; Lavender Tower as well as Mt. Pyre in Hoenn is proof of this. Raticate certainly wasn't exempt just because he belonged to a main character. In fact, his death would lend a lot of depth to Green's character as well as to the game itself since we would truly realize that Pokémon are living creatures and are just as vulnerable as us. After all, the concept of life can never be taken seriously without the presence of death.

o0PinkSquid0o October 31st, 2010 9:45 PM

Ohh wow, I never even thought of this!!

I kind of hope its true, it adds an even scarier undertone to Lavender Town Tower and makes the game subliminally mature! Poor Raticate though :(

Sydian November 1st, 2010 7:33 AM

He realized Raticate sucks in generation I, so he put it in the box or released it. Or gave it too a poor man on the side of the road. But he realized he wanted ~stronger~ Pokemon.

Elite Overlord LeSabre™ November 1st, 2010 9:24 AM

He ditched Raticate because, unlike Youngster Joey, Gary realized that even top percentage Rattatas and Raticates suck.

Considering the fact that in the early stages of the game, you're likely not using Earthquake or Hyper Beam to massacre his Pokemon, I really don't think it died as a result of a battle. But it might have been the victim of a heart attack/brain tumor/stabbing or something.

Heart's Soul November 1st, 2010 1:02 PM

Stop talking about this. It's annoying- he wanted a Cubone. And the Cubone = Kangaskhan thing is a lie, too. Cubone can't learn Fly, Kangaskhan can.

I need a magical mod wand.

tkallab November 1st, 2010 1:27 PM

Kangaskhan can't learn Fly, except by evolving M.
...Could N be a reference to M?

Anyway, there's no way to know this for sure. I don't remember Blue saying he was looking for a Cubone, and even so, he might have been lying to hide his feelings from that no-good punk Red. I've never seen a Cubone on his team.

iDuL November 1st, 2010 5:05 PM

You never know, Gary could be trollin'

Nearsighted king of Ice November 1st, 2010 9:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timbjerr (Post 6260617)
Please stop spreading this rumor.

Blue simply released his Raticate in favor of fire/water/grass elementals to compliment his starter.

He was in Pokemon Tower looking for a Cubone, as it was implied in his dialogue.

That is all.

The End

I was just asking a question i'm not really spreading a rumor

Hybrid Trainer November 2nd, 2010 6:04 AM

People stop saying that it's false when you haven't looked at both sides.
Yes Gary could just have been looking for cubone or he could have been grieving for his lost pokemon. but think of this,
Gary is oaks grandson no? who is it that you are trying to impress in the games? Oak.
Who is it that tries so hard to get to the top? Gary. And what happens as soon as he's there? You beat him and strip him of his title.
And finaly, who is there when you go into your house? your mom. Who is it when you go into Gary's house? Daisy.
Think about it.

gary is an orphan, not only did you kill his pokemon you took away the love of his grandfather but you destroyed his dreams of becoming the pokemon master and earn himself some respect snd happiness in his small depressing life..


Also about the kangaskan thing, think about it.
Cubone was suppose to evolve into kangaskan, but at the last moment nintendo removed it and added in marowak. But because it was so close to the due date they didn't have time to add in a prevo for kangaskan so they left a blank stop in his prevo.
Think who evolves into kangaskan?
MissingNo.



There i said it ¬.¬

Ctrl.Alt.Geak November 2nd, 2010 10:18 PM

When you get there doesnt he ask something like "What are you doing here [player]? None of your Pokemon have died" (though it has been a while I could be wrong about that). Doesnt that question somewhat suggest that a Pokemon of his, not necessarily the Raticate but one of his Pokemon, has died? Thats what I got out of it anyway.

ORegan November 4th, 2010 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ctrl.Alt.Geak (Post 6265972)
When you get there doesnt he ask something like "What are you doing here [player]? None of your Pokemon have died" (though it has been a while I could be wrong about that). Doesnt that question somewhat suggest that a Pokemon of his, not necessarily the Raticate but one of his Pokemon, has died? Thats what I got out of it anyway.

Yeah, somethign to that extent. I don't believe there was any mention of cubone in his dialouge IIRC. Him being at Pokemon tower for that purpose seems a little less likely than the Raticate dying in that vien now doesn't it?

vaporeon7 November 5th, 2010 2:54 AM

His Raticate could have died as he does ask you why you are there when none of your Pokemon died and then he doesn't give any reason of him being there.

Ctrl.Alt.Geak November 5th, 2010 3:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ORegan (Post 6269846)
Yeah, somethign to that extent. I don't believe there was any mention of cubone in his dialouge IIRC. Him being at Pokemon tower for that purpose seems a little less likely than the Raticate dying in that vien now doesn't it?

To be honest it never even occurred to me that he was after a Cubone/Marowak. As I mentioned above, I always assumed he was there to mourn over a dead Pokemon.

Myles November 5th, 2010 6:49 AM

Here's the complete dialogue:

Quote:

BLUE: Hey,
RED! What
brings you here?
Your POKéMON
don't look dead!
I can at least
make them faint!
Let's go, pal!

BLUE: What?
You stinker!
I took it easy on
you too!

How's your POKéDEX
coming, pal?
I just caught a
CUBONE!
I can't find the
grown-up MAROWAK
yet!
I doubt there are
any left! Well, I
better get going!
I've got a lot to
accomplish, pal!
Smell ya later!
Before the Pokemon Tower: starter, Pidgeotto, Raticate and Kadabra. After: starter, Pidgeotto, Kadabra, Exeggcute and Gyarados. And Raticate wasn't weak in RGBY. He was a game breaker.

Although I'm not sure if the implication was intentional.

The 100 Mega Shock November 5th, 2010 2:02 PM

Yep. I killed him myself. Don't tell me you didn't unlock that cutscene where an emotionally wrought Red deals with the consequences of his actions and finds his childhood innocence shattered forever.

It's pretty much a prelude to crazy mountain Red in GSC.

Catman9222 November 5th, 2010 3:26 PM

Gary never says why he is there, though I'd like to think its cause my persian ate his raticate, but he could be there just to visit one of PROFESSOR OAK'S dead pokemon...

Or just to catch gasly and cubone... since, you know, Professor Oak asked both of you to catch one of each species of pokemon.
(P.S. I love that cut-scene!)

Ctrl.Alt.Geak November 5th, 2010 7:21 PM

Ah so the dialogue Myles posted could suggest that he may have been there to just catch Pokemon after all (but hey its been about 10 years since I played through R/B/Y so I guess my memory isnt all that bad on the first few lines)

(Please note it may not necessarily be his Raticate that died if he were there to visit the grave of a dead Pokemon)


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