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Staff Shuffle!
A lot of people joining onto and dropping off of the staff in the past weeks, months, whatever. In my time here I've never observed this so much, so I imagine it's something worth asking about. What are the reasons for these movements (if they're personal or I'm not allowed to ask then nevermind)? Is anyone on temporary leave or are they all indefinite?
Stuff like that, if there's anything more to say then please do, though I'm not out for anything overly specific; it would just be nice to have a greater sense of what's going on without the need for digging through the blogs and VMs of individuals. Perhaps you (ie. administration) could use the forum announcement function to notify members of staff changes, reasons or not. |
Apart from Christos and Manipulation, everyone who isn't on staff now (but was in the last few weeks), is on a DLOA (demoted leave of absence for those who don't know). It just happened that a lot of the staff have things come up in their personal lives around this time. Lately, a lot of other staff have been taking DLOAs and came back, too.
Though notification of this stuff is best kept in a seperate forum, where we let each other know if we're going to be inactive. Most of the time, the DLOAs are only for about a two week period or so. As for other staff members in the last few months, if they're not on the staff now, then they're not staff anymore. Sorry, it's kind of hard to disclose much here. |
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I feel like a lot of users may be unaware of that, though. Also, what the... you're not a part of the team anymore either? D: |
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This is something I can see fitting well into the Community Announcements. Just as Serebii handles their changes in staff; a member of the higher staff (or a designated higher up) updates the thread whenever a staff member may be on leave for an extended amount of time, in which case they may take a DLoA or they have either been demoted / resigned. At least for those who do visit the section, or notice it has been updated from the main page can check it out and be easily aware of why certain staff members may not be on the team anymore without all the "stalking" :] |
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Oh well, I guess it's just the way things go. No matter, I definitely hope the idea comes into action, because I was honestly only aware of Manipulation, Christos and Klippy's leave up until this thread. I'm so out of the loop. |
Staff LoA's / DLoA's have always been pretty private, and it's not something we've ever thought important enough to share with the entire forum.. Although, I do agree, I think it would be nice to let other users know what's going with us. Maybe not specific details, but at least an activity status.
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You know, I always wondered why staff changes were never mentioned outside of the Celebrations forum (and just promotions are mentioned there) XD Simply having a sticky any HS could update whenever there were a change on the staff would be really useful.
The reasons, on the other hand... well, that's up to every one. For instance, Gavin/Abnegation posted a blog entry announcing a temporary absence. I, on the other hand, wanted to keep my reasons private so I didn't. And demotions are just between the higher staff and the particular staff member involved. But just knowing what's going on with each one would be really useful for everybody. |
It would be nice to have a sticky'd announcement thread just to differentiate between who's actually been demoted and who's just on a DLoA, so that particularly ambitious members/lower moderators don't take Nick and Went's current status as a sign that one of the mods is about to get promoted and their spot will go a regular member, and then people will start kissing ass left and right. XD
whatever personal reasons behind the DLoA aren't necessary...just a quick note saying that, "Yes, Went and nick are still S-mods and Gav and Astinus are still mods" will suffice. XD |
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Yeah, the difference between the two would be nice to know. Or staff could just put it in their blog.
I doubt many people knew I was on DLOA before I quit, seeing I didn't bother to tell anyone. Maybe a thread could be made in Announcements where only staff could post in it and just simply state, 'Hey, I'm on DLOA' or admins could say 'X has been demoted'. There isn't a reason members shouldn't know...it makes things seems sketchy. |
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And I agree with the thread. Just for the slight convenience of both staff and members. |
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"<username> is no longer on the staff." It doesn't have to be so straight forward. Doesn't have to be "<username> was <removed/resigned/suspended> from the staff <because...> <until...>." Besides, it doesn't really take a genius to figure out staff member + no staff color = not a staff member. Most people assume someone's no longer on the staff as it is if they aren't in their color anymore and it really doesn't take that long to notice, like AdvancedK47 said. Obviously the reason that they're no longer on the staff is not going to be released to anyone. It's not even really released to moderators, or whatever rank the member was a part of. A moderator won't know why another moderator was removed, an s-mod won't know why another s-mod is removed, etc. because it's taken to a forum higher than their own and discussed there (unless you're an SA, where it's discussed infront of you). |
Yeah, I think the announcements on this is a neat idea - it works well on sppf as mentioned after all, and they don't mention 'why' someone is promoted/moved/on leave/demoted, it just informs the forum the basics which is all anybody really needs to know. Useful too so that members don't go PMing/VMing who they think is a mod when they are on leave for instance, I suppose.
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Well, you know someone is officially ex-staff because they'll have the 'ex-staff' emblem.
If...this stays consistent. @Cello: I'm pretty sure everyone can see blogs o.o |
I'd love to see some sort of notification for staff taking a leave. Demotions and resignations can stay private though...I just think there should be a leave list that gets updated every so often, so that staff members taking a leave don't get inundated with pointless messages asking why they're suddenly 'demoted'. Not to mention showing who is just on leave keeps the members from thinking that PC hires/fires it's staff a lot. xD
Because seriously, it IS kinda difficult to tell if they've just requested leave just based upon what emblems they have...there's no guarantee that their emblems will be changed to reflect their status for some time. x3 |
Umm, I like the idea of some sort of announcement but maybe not why, I agree that the reason for a demotion would be embarrassing for all, but if they aren't going be modding for a bit would be nice for all, like if I need to ask a question or some thing I always ask 1 mod, but if she weren't here, I would know that she needed time off and find some one else to ask, but just my opinion!!
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It's pretty much exactly what I was thinking, because it's simple, easy to follow, and gets the job done. No one needs hug explanations, and if they want them, then they can ask said staff members personally. The most difficult thing.. would probably just be updating the thread every time someone's status needed changing. xD; After awhile, people would be like "Oh yeah.. it's been a week, and no one's updated it. Whoops." |
...apparently I missed the suggestion last night. XD I agree with the thread idea, but maybe include links of those the users could contact instead, or that might be too much work, idk.
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Why would you need a link to who to contact?? There will always be a mod of every section, unless every one left at once!!
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If the staff member of a section with only them as a mod goes on DLOA, people won't be sure who to contact. As a whole, at least two or so of us have a general idea of how certain sections are run.
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I like the announcement thing. Because I would like to know what happened.
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Glad this idea finally has the possibility of seeing realization. One thing though, ex-staff always get pestered with the "Why" question, so possibly a polite suggestion should be made as well about not filling their VMs up with it (As obviously if it were in the announcements forum a lot more users would end up doing it).
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(Making this optional, of course, but in most cases it could help). |
...yes, but what I meant is like in Gav's blog where he did say specific people to go to for issues. I just think it might make it easier for the members if they know that there's someone that knows their exact problems, rather than someone who can only help a bit. :x (I was just using that as an example...)
As I said, just an optional listing of names in a title tag or something which the users can go to for their problems (and of course, only for those who are DLOAing, rather than demoted/quit/etc - while those who don't have any alternate contacts don't have to have anything listed, so it's just suggested they go to upper staff). Just an idea, nevermind~ |
Personally, I am not bothered who comes and goes, as long as they don't get mad on power.
But from a community perspective, I think an announcement would suffice. It is a little confusing to see one person a super mod, then the next, nothing. |
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Just letting you know, but the idea has been brought up in the HQ for voting and discussion.
As for linking who to go if there is currently no mod in the area, then a member is entitled to go to a higher up. For instance, if a member asking a question about ROM Hacking when up to Drew, and Drew didn't know, then she could easily point them to Hiroshi. We each know our specialty areas, so I don't think links are exactly necessary, but it would be helpful. |
This idea does actually remind me of what is used on Serebii's Pokémon Place Forums, which I'd say that it would be a great idea, if it was to be used... I wouldn't recommend stating the reason why the person is demoted or even on a DLOA, because those are to be kept between the staff and the user that was demoted or is on a DLOA. So if it was to be used... it should be stated to be something like what Nick said:
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Well, it has been discussed, and a majority of the higher staff agreed that something like this is unnecessary. If one wishes to know if and why a member is still on staff or not, they can do so by VMing or PMing that person. They are then free to tell you why they may not be on staff anymore and if they are coming back. Otherwise, business like this is left for the higher staff to be concerned with.
It was a good idea, but it just wasn't favored. :\ |
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