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Vulpes bicaudata November 14th, 2010 10:54 AM

Evolution poll, take two
 
I have requested the old poll be locked, so if it hasn't yet, it should be soon.

I am researching the effect of a certain variable, to be disclosed later, on the level of support for evolution. Please vote for the option which most closely matches your beliefs on the evolution of life, including macroevolution.

Option 1: I believe in a completely naturalistic form of evolution, including macroevolution, without deities. Natural selection was the main driving force.

Option 2: I believe a deity or deities used evolution, including macroevolution, as a tool to create life, and did not interfere with its progress; in other words, they did not “guide” evolution. Natural selection was the main driving force.

Option 3: I believe that changes in life forms are guided by a deity ("intelligent design"). I do not believe in natural selection.

Option 4: I believe in a form of creationism where life forms are static and do not change, but remain as they were created by a deity or deities.

Fever November 14th, 2010 11:40 AM

Option 1. No deity. Only natural selection.

mondays suck November 14th, 2010 11:50 AM

Hmmm, I'm not entirely sure, but I think I'll go with Option 3, except for the natural selection part.
While the original evolution theory does make sense, it all just seems way too improbable to me. Option 3 eliminates this flaw.

EDIT: I'm an idiot, isn't Option 3 plus natural selection basically Option 2?

Captain Hobo. November 14th, 2010 5:20 PM

Option 4 that is what I believe in.

Luck November 14th, 2010 5:25 PM

Option 1. Of course, I'm not dismissing the probability that there could be a magical trickster in the heavens that just trolled us with this natural selection thing.

Vulpes bicaudata November 14th, 2010 6:56 PM

Thanks for everyone's cooperation so far, but I need more data! Keep it up, people!

PlatinumDude November 14th, 2010 7:07 PM

Option 1 for me because I feel that it's the natural way to go.

Livewire November 14th, 2010 7:21 PM

Option 1, because it is backed by modern science.

Sydian November 15th, 2010 7:31 AM

Option 4 because, like I said in the previous thread, I believe in Creationism.

Elite Overlord LeSabre™ November 15th, 2010 8:47 AM

Option 1. And this is coming from someone who grew up in a Christian household, BTW.

Rich Boy Rob November 15th, 2010 9:34 AM

Option 1. I completely reject the concept of a deity.

Spinor November 15th, 2010 9:46 AM

Option 2. See my reasoning in your previous thread and I want to get married >__>

Binary November 15th, 2010 10:37 AM

Option 1.

Natural Selection is clearer to me than the rest. Deities? I don't think so. :/

Ivysaur November 15th, 2010 10:52 AM

Option 1 is the only one which doesn't require the intervention of a being whose existence has never been proven so I'll go with that.

Jameska November 15th, 2010 11:00 AM

Along with the non-braindead half of the world, I chose Option One.

Vulpes bicaudata November 15th, 2010 2:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sydian (Post 6289622)
Option 4 because, like I said in the previous thread, I believe in Creationalism.

You know, I don't think I've ever heard it called "creationalism" before...

Yuoaman November 15th, 2010 3:10 PM

Option 1, because I can think for myself and have come to the conclusion that any other option has none of that sense thing.

Stratos99 November 15th, 2010 3:16 PM

Option 4 has been thoroughly disproved.. are people still denying evolution? As for me, I have to go with both option 1 and 2. I don't deny the existence of a deity or deities but as of yet I haven't gotten factual evidence that they exist, so I can't go all in with option 2 but I can't discount it by going all in with option 1.

Vulpes bicaudata November 15th, 2010 4:44 PM

Well, I'd like to ask everyone who hasn't voted to please do so, as the more votes I get, the more confident I can be in my conclusions.

Jameska November 15th, 2010 5:03 PM

Nearly 50% chose one option out of 4. That may look great, but just remember the audience you are looking at. Most of use are probably in our teen years, with views swayed on very few factors, where if you did a census IRL, you're answers would be swayed as well. So, choose what you believe in. Because, every point can be valid. But the only one you can make sound valid is one you're passionate about.

Vulpes bicaudata November 15th, 2010 5:08 PM

I'm not making my own decision based on this. I'm conducting research.

Zeffy November 16th, 2010 12:10 AM

I choose none. Why? Curiosity kills the cat, as some says. Some things are better left undiscovered, and evolution is one of those things. The only things I know that evolve are Digimon, Pokémon, and others. You're alive, you're breathing. Be thankful that you are a living thing.

If I really have to choose though, I choose Option 4 except for the deity part.

Yuoaman November 16th, 2010 12:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stratos99 (Post 6290331)
Option 4 has been thoroughly disproved.. are people still denying evolution? As for me, I have to go with both option 1 and 2. I don't deny the existence of a deity or deities but as of yet I haven't gotten factual evidence that they exist, so I can't go all in with option 2 but I can't discount it by going all in with option 1.

This isn't a debate thread - you have no right to judge someone based on personal beliefs held by someone else unless they are directly harming something else.

Timbjerr November 16th, 2010 4:37 AM

Option 2.

I know that a deity exists and I know that natural selection exists. Additionally, I have felt that God is very hands-off and non-interventionist, sot that would be the only option that marries these various parts of my beliefs

Gymnotide November 16th, 2010 1:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vulpes bicaudata (Post 6288292)
I have requested the old poll be locked, so if it hasn't yet, it should be soon.

I am researching the effect of a certain variable, to be disclosed later, on the level of support for evolution. Please vote for the option which most closely matches your beliefs on the evolution of life, including macroevolution.

Option 1: I believe in a completely naturalistic form of evolution, including macroevolution, without deities. Natural selection was the main driving force.

Option 2: I believe a deity or deities used evolution, including macroevolution, as a tool to create life, and did not interfere with its progress; in other words, they did not “guide” evolution. Natural selection was the main driving force.

Option 3: I believe that changes in life forms are guided by a deity ("intelligent design"). I do not believe in natural selection.

Option 4: I believe in a form of creationism where life forms are static and do not change, but remain as they were created by a deity or deities.

Regarding Option I:
Feel free to [quote][/quote] in the first post.

This definition of Evolutionary Theory is severely obsolete. Natural Selection, though still one of the major influences of evolution, is no longer deemed the sole factor by most evolutionary theorists. The new points, called collectively as Modern Evolution, are outlined as followed:
  • Natural Selection -- Traits are "selected" to be more evolutionarily fit. Furthermore, "fitness" is ONLY defined by REPRODUCTIVE SUCCESS and NO OTHER FACTORS, i.e. "fitness" has nothing to do with survival or living, physical mechanisms (other than reproductive), or attractiveness.
  • Sexual Selection -- Traits are "selected" distinct from Natural Selection, based on the preference of individuals. Sexual Selection is mediated by the following: (1) direct benefits of mate selection, (2) indirect benefits of mate selection, and (3) the desire to obtain "good genes." Sexual Selection occurs through sexual conflict (the reproductive success of one individual at the expense of the other), both intra- (male-to-male combat) and intersexual (female choice of male).
  • Genetic Drift -- The random progression of gene concentration. Genetic Drift CANNOT be observed, measured or quantified. It has no evolutionary basis, but can affect the evolution of species.
  • Modern Synthesis -- Evolution is guided by genetics and genetics ONLY. The mechanisms of Darwinian Genetics greatly explain and reinforce this. Paleontology / gradualism reign over all other theories.
  • New Genetic Determinism -- Traits are not only adaptive, but are also byproducts of other adaptations / environmental factors. Genes can be phenotypically plastic based on environment, social environment, and genetics.
  • New Synthesis / Ecological Evolution -- Evolution (particularly behavioral) can be brought on my social interactions and social environment / preferences, e.g. symbiosis, altruism.

Regarding Option II

Small problem with this one -- Evolution does NOT explain how life was "created," but rather how it HAS and WILL CONTINUE to progress. Abiogenesis / biogenesis is a completely different topic that spans into cosmology, quantum mechanics, and organic chemistry. Evolution occurs after life has been created.

Regarding Option III

You can't "believe" in Natural Selection because it is a purely scientific concept, drawn from scientific data. Furthermore, science runs on the analysis of factual data and facts cannot be subject to disproving. Note that scientific "following" is different than scientific "belief" (which does not exist). Natural Selection DOES have solid proof and CAN be observed in the present day.

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That being said, religion and evolution aren't even related. They shouldn't be compared to each other and their views should not be intermingled. They never clash, except in the case of Anti-Religious Conspiracy vs. Evolutionary Theory OR Literalism vs. Evolutionary Theory, which, honestly, are preposterous topics anyway. Having a religious views towards biogenesis does not mean genes don't exist, or that evolution doesn't occur. Evolutionary CANNOT be refuted because EVOLUTION (note: "evolution" is not the same as Evolutionary Theory) can be readily observed.


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