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Ivysaur November 23rd, 2010 1:17 AM

North Korea fires on South Korea - 2 dead for now
 
In an unexpected turn of events, Kim Jong Il wants to grant his son and future dictator a war so the country will accept him as a leader in those "difficult moments" without questioning it too much:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2010/nov/23/north-korea-fires-south-korea

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North Korea has fired dozens of rounds of artillery onto a populated South Korean island near their disputed western border, military officials have said.

The shells have set several buildings on fire, reportedly injuring two people, and have prompted South Korea to return fire and scramble fighter jets.

Yonhap News, the South Korean publicly funded news agency, is reporting that one South Korean soldier has been killed in the shelling. Yonhap quotes an unnamed official. We'll hopefully have more information soon.

The skirmish came amid tension over North Korea's claim that it has a new uranium enrichment facility and just over a month after North Korean leader Kim Jong Il unveiled his youngest son Kim Jong Un as his heir apparent.

South Korea's YTN television has said two people were injured, several houses were on fire and shells are still falling on Yeonpyeong island. The station is broadcasting pictures of thick columns of black smoke rising from the island.

Yonhap news agency, quoting a military official, says four soldiers have been wounded. South Korean President Lee Myung-bak has ordered officials to make sure that the firing wouldn't escalate, according to Yonhap, quoting a presidential official. YTN said between 1,200 and 1,300 people live on the island.

A South Korean Joint Chiefs of Staff official said dozens of rounds of artillery landed on the island and in the sea. The official says South Korea fired back. The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of JCS rules, said South Korea's military is on alert. He had no other details, and could not confirm the reports of casualties.

Tensions between the two Koreas also remain tense after the sinking in March of a South Korean warship, the Cheonan, in which 46 sailors died. Seoul has blamed a North Korean torpedo, while Pyongyang has denied any responsibility.

The countries' western maritime boundary has long been a flash point between the two Koreas. The North does not recognize the border that was unilaterally drawn by the United Nations at the close of the 1950-53 Korean War.

North and South Korea have fought three bloody skirmishes near the maritime border in recent years, most recently in November 2009.

I Laugh at your Misfortune! November 23rd, 2010 9:26 AM

Well, that's...that's not good.

I have a horrible feeling that this isn't just going to die down.

LadySurreal November 23rd, 2010 9:31 AM

I'd like to see a Hippie's reaction protesting the Vietnam war when it is similar to the Korean war, and will soon end like the Vietnam war if those MTV Punks and dumb****s continue to bash everything military because bands like Anti-Flag and Rise Against failed Government class so bad, the kids look at them as bloody rebels who fight against the mainstream yet the mainstream is what made those sad losers famous in the first place.

Morkula November 23rd, 2010 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by LadySurreal (Post 6303499)
I'd like to see a Hippie's reaction protesting the Vietnam war when it is similar to the Korean war, and will soon end like the Vietnam war if those MTV Punks and dumb****s continue to bash everything military because bands like Anti-Flag and Rise Against failed Government class so bad, the kids look at them as bloody rebels who fight against the mainstream yet the mainstream is what made those sad losers famous in the first place.

The hell? I can't understand a word that you just said.

Anyway, Kim Jong-il is mostly just wanting attention, I think. He does this every so often to remind people he's still around. If war does break out though, North Korea won't survive it - South Korea is a lot more stable country, plus they have US troops already in the country. Not even China is willing to stand behind North Korea in the event of a war. North Korea would fall pretty quickly, but it'd come at the expense of Seoul - where a good majority of the population live in South Korea. There's so much artillery already pointed right at Seoul, that it'd be leveled within a couple hours if war broke out. I think that SK and its allies are going to do everything in their power to keep that from happening.

Yuukihime November 23rd, 2010 10:28 AM

I think why the situation is so delicate is because of NK nuclear program, they don't want to provoke a situation where NK would use it's NK weapons. Even if it's an empty threat, they don't won't to run the risk that NK would use it's nuclear program against South Korea.

(Just an assumption though)

NK may do such things for attention but killing people isn't really a good way to get attention =S And as Morkula said, if the two went to war North Korea would fall pretty quickly.

txteclipse November 23rd, 2010 10:41 AM

Seriously, North Korea is like a real-life version of an online troll. They keep pushing the boundaries and nobody does anything about it but slap their wrist and say "no no."

They need to be offered an ultimatum. "Take any more military actions, and we will bomb the snot out of you."

Rich Boy Rob November 23rd, 2010 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by LadySurreal (Post 6303499)
I'd like to see a Hippie's reaction protesting the Vietnam war when it is similar to the Korean war, and will soon end like the Vietnam war if those MTV Punks and dumb****s continue to bash everything military because bands like Anti-Flag and Rise Against failed Government class so bad, the kids look at them as bloody rebels who fight against the mainstream yet the mainstream is what made those sad losers famous in the first place.

Erm... what now?


Anyway, this is definitely not good. According to another article on there, a spokesman for North Korea said that this was in response to sea drills in the area and that if they do not stop nuclear war could follow at any point. Oh dear. This is very not good.

Pseudo November 23rd, 2010 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Morkula (Post 6303529)
Anyway, Kim Jong-il is mostly just wanting attention, I think. He does this every so often to remind people he's still around. If war does break out though, North Korea won't survive it - South Korea is a lot more stable country, plus they have US troops already in the country. Not even China is willing to stand behind North Korea in the event of a war. North Korea would fall pretty quickly, but it'd come at the expense of Seoul - where a good majority of the population live in South Korea. There's so much artillery already pointed right at Seoul, that it'd be leveled within a couple hours if war broke out. I think that SK and its allies are going to do everything in their power to keep that from happening.

Agreed, kind of. He always wanted attention. Too short to be noticed. SK is indeed a more stable and more capable country between the both, but if the NK's uranium enrichment is what the US and whoever "claim" to be, in other words, development of nuclear warheads, I'm pretty sure NK is dying to use one, and SK is just the perfect 'test subject'. Or not.

Now, SK is threatening to retaliate, which I highly doubt they will. This thing isn't going to end anytime soon as it seems. China,maybe, is the solution here? Or simply let them kill each other and may the "best" win.

ANARCHit3cht November 23rd, 2010 10:55 AM

Tsktsk, North Korea what will we do with you...

North Korea is a bit, uhm, out of its league. Km Jong-il wants to bring attention to his country and feel that he is threatening. They wouldn't stand a chance if a war were to break out. Sadly, South Korea can't really afford to go into that war due to what they would lose.

As for North Korea, they should know when to stop. That is, when their threats are laughed at, they obviously aren't very threatening. China is their biggest ally, and if one of your only friends isn't even on board with you, you have some issues. I think, that after a while, this will die down, unless it is pushed for war. The only way that North Korea will stop these games is if they are gone.

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Or simply let them kill each other and may the "best" win.
This. I think that countries should not get involved in business that really isn't theirs. Especially the US.

Ivysaur November 23rd, 2010 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Narcissus Secret (Post 6303630)
This. I think that countries should not get involved in business that really isn't theirs. Especially the US.

So it's okay to leave a crazy pseudo-communist dictatorship with an incredibly opressed population who have never heard of human rights or anything similar to bomb the crap out of one of your allies, a democratic republic, member of the OECD and the G-20, creating a crazy wave of unstability in the Asian zone (which is just what we need to get out of the world crisis).

Nowadays, every country is involved in everything. Ireland just asked the EU for some emergency money to pay their national debt, causing the Euro to drop value, causing the Dollar to rise in turn, increasing the international value of the US's products, reducing their exports, which in the end damages the US's economy.

Now think what a nuclear war could cause in the world if they are not stopped before.

Marс November 23rd, 2010 11:20 AM

SK won't do a thing; just like the sinking of the Cheonan. So, if SK was to really "retaliate" and please for God's sake do, punish them hard.

Netto Azure November 23rd, 2010 11:25 AM

With the Chinese depending upon the US recovering for the World economy to continue grinding...I doubt things will deteriorate to full scale war.

Big Bro China will hold the leash on N.Korea while Big Bro America will hold the leash on S.Korea. 8)


http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/50114000/gif/_50114613_military_balance_464.gif

Agent Clank November 23rd, 2010 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by I Laugh at your Misfortune! (Post 6303495)
Well, that's...that's not good.

I have a horrible feeling that this isn't just going to die down.

I have the same feeling, man...
Its just plain stupid how Kim Jong Il is trying to start a useless war.

Alice November 23rd, 2010 12:13 PM

Well, this is certainly a bad sign... although, these small attacks have happened before. So, maybe nothing will come of it.

Legobricks November 23rd, 2010 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Morkula (Post 6303529)
The hell? I can't understand a word that you just said.

I think LadySurreal was going over part of the likely societal impact a 'second Korean War' would have. It'll become popular again to hold anti-war protests...

twocows November 23rd, 2010 1:42 PM

We can't abandon South Korea. It would be like abandoning ourselves. This will probably be resolved without too many problems, but there's a chance it could blow up into something far worse.

Shanghai Alice November 23rd, 2010 4:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Yuukihime (Post 6303579)
I think why the situation is so delicate is because of NK nuclear program, they don't want to provoke a situation where NK would use it's NK weapons. Even if it's an empty threat, they don't won't to run the risk that NK would use it's nuclear program against South Korea.

There's the possibility that NK is deliberately provoking SK. Just like the missile tests/attacks earlier, NK wants to show the world that they, too, are a nuclear force to be reckoned with.

If SK decides to retaliate, KJI will nuke SK, and call it justified.

Oshi'ite.

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Originally Posted by Rich Boy Rob (Post 6303617)
Anyway, this is definitely not good. According to another article on there, a spokesman for North Korea said that this was in response to sea drills in the area and that if they do not stop nuclear war could follow at any point. Oh dear. This is very not good.

*Agrees with this*

Attention-grabbing and stick-shaking.

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Originally Posted by Narcissus Secret (Post 6303630)
North Korea is a bit, uhm, out of its league. Km Jong-il wants to bring attention to his country and feel that he is threatening. They wouldn't stand a chance if a war were to break out. Sadly, South Korea can't really afford to go into that war due to what they would lose.

As for North Korea, they should know when to stop. That is, when their threats are laughed at, they obviously aren't very threatening. China is their biggest ally, and if one of your only friends isn't even on board with you, you have some issues. I think, that after a while, this will die down, unless it is pushed for war. The only way that North Korea will stop these games is if they are gone.

It's the same with the Balkans and the Middle East, the border tensions are.

This won't "go away." They don't have a monthly "Let's tick off the world" meeting, this is their life, and their entire focus.

Mildly worrisome, considering the fact that the world was plunged into two world wars, and a nearly-nuclear war over the fact that a man was shot in Sarajevo almost a century ago.

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This. I think that countries should not get involved in business that really isn't theirs. Especially the US.
Were this 1914, I'd agree with you. However, nuclear threats affect the whole world, even if NK's nukes are powered by old Mk II engines, and can only fly about twenty seconds before imploding.


Simply put...

It's not the fact that it's NK, it's the fact that it's nuclear. World wars have been started over less.

Constantinople November 23rd, 2010 5:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Narcissus Secret (Post 6303630)
This. I think that countries should not get involved in business that really isn't theirs. Especially the US.

Why is it not our business? South Korea is our ally. It doesn't make any sense to me when people say things like "it isn't our business" or "it's not our war" because if we didn't want to defend a country we shouldn't have formed a political alliance with them. Now, it would be perfectly reasonable to argue that we shouldn't have formed so many alliances with nations that have a tendency to be in conflict with another country. But that's ex post facto now and we'll just have to wait to see if South Korea declares war on North Korea. (I don't see it happening, but who knows?)

Eliminator Jr. November 23rd, 2010 5:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Constantinople (Post 6304382)
Why is it not our business? South Korea is our ally. It doesn't make any sense to me when people say things like "it isn't our business" or "it's not our war" because if we didn't want to defend a country we shouldn't have formed a political alliance with them. Now, it would be perfectly reasonable to argue that we shouldn't have formed so many alliances with nations that have a tendency to be in conflict with another country. But that's ex post facto now and we'll just have to wait to see if South Korea declares war on North Korea. (I don't see it happening, but who knows?)

I may be wrong as I'm just responding from general knowledge and not from any source here, but from what I know North Korea and South Korea never formally ended the Korean War of 1950-3. They agreed to a ceasefire but technically they're still in a war.

Constantinople November 23rd, 2010 5:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Eliminator Jr. (Post 6304410)
I may be wrong as I'm just responding from general knowledge and not from any source here, but from what I know North Korea and South Korea never formally ended the Korean War of 1950-3. They agreed to a ceasefire but technically they're still in a war.

That's a technicality though. Obviously, the US wouldn't need to get involved unless war was actually resumed.

Yuoaman November 24th, 2010 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by LadySurreal (Post 6303499)
I'd like to see a Hippie's reaction protesting the Vietnam war when it is similar to the Korean war, and will soon end like the Vietnam war if those MTV Punks and dumb****s continue to bash everything military because bands like Anti-Flag and Rise Against failed Government class so bad, the kids look at them as bloody rebels who fight against the mainstream yet the mainstream is what made those sad losers famous in the first place.

I only have one comment:

...the hell is this?

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Originally Posted by Narcissus Secret (Post 6303630)
This. I think that countries should not get involved in business that really isn't theirs. Especially the US.

Except that South Korea is America's ally. If someone attacked Canada the US would retaliate, there's no difference in this case.

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Originally Posted by LadySurreal (Post 6304546)
Thanks :)
It's good to let go of your anger against humanity and Western Society in general, even if barely anyone could understand you'll rather have Rise Against and Green Day fans gassed over the 6 million Jews.
If anything, Liberals should hold a "Punch anyone who gives us a bad image" day.
*Glares at people who thinks Anti-Flag speaks the truth*

Seriously, what the hell are you on about? You're sentences aren't horribly coherent, and even if they were formed according to English standards I doubt they would make any more sense. Did a Liberal eat a friend of yours? That's the only explanation I can see.

Ninja Caterpie November 24th, 2010 12:17 AM

I doubt North Korea really has the guts to start a war, with their...precarious position at the moment in the world. They're not exactly the most powerful country in the world right now... Plus, it'd most likely just end up with a big ocean where they used to be.

I just hope South Korea's threat of "multiplefold retaliation" won't come true.

PikaPrincess November 24th, 2010 12:54 AM

This seems intense, I hope it doesn't build up into another Korean War. :(

digi-kun November 24th, 2010 1:04 AM

bout time, can we finally take North Korea out now that we're not totally on bad terms with China anymore?

Though seriously, the only reason we didn't take North Korea during the Korean war was because China was backing them. One less North Korea is one less problem to worry about. >>

LadySurreal November 24th, 2010 9:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Yuoaman (Post 6305008)
I only have one comment:

...the hell is this?



Except that South Korea is America's ally. If someone attacked Canada the US would retaliate, there's no difference in this case.



Seriously, what the hell are you on about? You're sentences aren't horribly coherent, and even if they were formed according to English standards I doubt they would make any more sense. Did a Liberal eat a friend of yours? That's the only explanation I can see.

Point out my hatred of Liberals. All I said is that LIBERALS should hold a "punch anyone who gives us a bad image day". You know, 95% of US liberals aren't even Liberal? Just following the crowd. Giving them a bad image, protest anything and everything, you know. Slitting their wrists and stuff like that.

Yuoaman November 24th, 2010 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by LadySurreal (Post 6305714)
Point out my hatred of Liberals. All I said is that LIBERALS should hold a "punch anyone who gives us a bad image day". You know, 95% of US liberals aren't even Liberal? Just following the crowd. Giving them a bad image, protest anything and everything, you know. Slitting their wrists and stuff like that.

So all US Liberals are depressed teenagers wanting attention from their parents? :\

Netto Azure November 24th, 2010 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by LadySurreal (Post 6305714)
Point out my hatred of Liberals. All I said is that LIBERALS should hold a "punch anyone who gives us a bad image day". You know, 95% of US liberals aren't even Liberal? Just following the crowd. Giving them a bad image, protest anything and everything, you know. Slitting their wrists and stuff like that.

Now isn't that just painting a great amount of people with a wide and really bad brush.

Do you even know what is a Liberal? Because even under that word is a lot of definitions:

Social Liberal: Wants to provide for people's necessities
Economic Liberal: Wants no Government intervention in the Economy
Culturally Liberal: Wants no Government regulation of religion, beliefs etc.
Politically Liberal: Most modern democracies are this allowing for government elections and such

But this is just replying to a flamebait so to get back on topic the US is urging China to act on North Korea.

LadySurreal November 24th, 2010 3:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Yuoaman (Post 6305772)
So all US Liberals are depressed teenagers wanting attention from their parents? :\

I never knew 95% = All Liberals.

Ask a Democrat politician and what he/she stands for. Then ask a kid who thinks Punk Rock is alive. Now compare that politician to the majority of Democrat supporters.

Ask a stone head about why Marijuana should be legalized, then ask an Attorney why he/she supports legalizing Marijuana. Those "Liberals" that managed to glue themselves to the political ideology are doing it in self-interest. My support for gay rights is not because I want to make-out with a girl in public, but because I truly believe it is their right as citizens to be able to marry and the such. Now compare that to those who simply want to see Lesbians naked in public.

Horrible bands to create Pseudo-Liberals is like Mosques, Churches, whatever preaching what is deemed Conservative to our standards.....and if you don't support that view.....you're going to hell.

Nick November 24th, 2010 7:16 PM

Let's try to stay on topic shall we? This thread isn't about liberals. It's about the consistent problems going on in North and South Korea.

22sa November 24th, 2010 7:28 PM

I'd like to hear some good things about North Korea for a change. Although when someone says North Korea has a higher literacy rate than the South.. well, that's not very impressive imo.

Very sad event. I definitely do not want to live in Korea right now. I have no idea how the South should handle this situation. I do not understand the purpose of the North. China is opening up and is busily expanding its middle class and its share of developing consumer products for the world, but what's North Korea's purpose? :\ If the North has a peaceful goal--what is it?

Trap-Eds November 24th, 2010 8:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Went (Post 6303314)
In an unexpected turn of events, Kim Jong Il wants to grant his son and future dictator a war so the country will accept him as a leader in those "difficult moments" without questioning it too much:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2010/nov/23/north-korea-fires-south-korea

...What?? What is the point of all this? What will bombing S. Korea prove?

[QUOTE=Went;6303675]
So it's okay to leave a crazy pseudo-communist dictatorship with an incredibly opressed population who have never heard of human rights or anything similar to bomb the crap out of one of your allies, a democratic republic, member of the OECD and the G-20, creating a crazy wave of unstability in the Asian zone (which is just what we need to get out of the world crisis).
[QUOTE]

Yeah. Unless they ASK us to go help, why can't South Korea and China handle it themselves? Seriously?

Livewire November 24th, 2010 9:46 PM

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Originally Posted by 22sa (Post 6306546)
I'd like to hear some good things about North Korea for a change. Although when someone says North Korea has a higher literacy rate than the South.. well, that's not very impressive imo.

Very sad event. I definitely do not want to live in Korea right now. I have no idea how the South should handle this situation. I do not understand the purpose of the North. China is opening up and is busily expanding its middle class and its share of developing consumer products for the world, but what's North Korea's purpose? :\ If the North has a peaceful goal--what is it?

I think you'd be hard pressed to find anything good about North Korea.

But I agree, This is not the place to be right now. North and South have had skirmishes in the past, but this seems a bit more real in terms of the possibility of outright warfare. I think there needs to be UN or NATO peacekeeping involvement. Not like the UN is gutsy enough to call their bluff.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire November 24th, 2010 9:50 PM

I think this will die down over time seeing all the "provocations" the North has done this year...they are just looking for attention...

Melody November 24th, 2010 10:55 PM

I agree. While this could escalate if we feed the troll, North Korea, it can also die in obscurity in time. Of course South Korea has already had enough. They've issued the ultimatum: "Attack us again and there will be severe repercussions"...which amounts to a veiled war threat, sternly worded.

Of course this means if South Korea actually launches a military campaign, the US will no doubt step in too, and offer additional troops and supplies. I'd say it's about time, since North Korea has needed a good punishing, and not just the slaps on the wrist that the UN is so fond of issuing. If South Korea and China weren't so close, I'd say we should drop a big fat juicy N-Bomb on their cocky asses and be done with it. We know that'd set 'em back a good ways, even if we didn't drop the nuke directly on a populated area. I think we might be able to drop a few tiny nukes on them though but even then the damage might be too dire.

LadySurreal November 24th, 2010 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Pachy (Post 6306858)
I agree. While this could escalate if we feed the troll, North Korea, it can also die in obscurity in time. Of course South Korea has already had enough. They've issued the ultimatum: "Attack us again and there will be severe repercussions"...which amounts to a veiled war threat, sternly worded.

Of course this means if South Korea actually launches a military campaign, the US will no doubt step in too, and offer additional troops and supplies. I'd say it's about time, since North Korea has needed a good punishing, and not just the slaps on the wrist that the UN is so fond of issuing. If South Korea and China weren't so close, I'd say we should drop a big fat juicy N-Bomb on their cocky asses and be done with it. We know that'd set 'em back a good ways, even if we didn't drop the nuke directly on a populated area. I think we might be able to drop a few tiny nukes on them though but even then the damage might be too dire.

Pretty funny how all I did was voice a harsh opinion that the majority of this forum don't agree on and now I'm considered a troll. That could also mean the mod who got us all into this argument can also be called a troll for mentioning my friend being eaten by a Liberal only because I claim most of them are not even liberals, just following a trend. After all, if she/he would actually read my post and notice there's nothing saying we should slaughter all liberals or leftists, only that most "liberals" are trend followers and don't care what democrats really think, now I am suddenly a troll. I thought the so called "Free-Thinking" and "tolerant" liberals would look beyond just the word "Troll" but rather "Someone with an opinion". Now I am considered a Conservative aren't I, considering what I said previously about my support for Gay Marriage?


All I did was got into an argument, if arguing with someone who share a different view on things is considered trolling, then I suggest PC as a whole stop discussing Politics or anything that can get people to argue on their point-of-view. If you really think this is trolling, I beg you guys to go on Omegle.


I guess I'm a troll as well as everyone else because I say I'm expecting a third World War out of the current situation in Korea.

Livewire November 24th, 2010 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Pachy (Post 6306858)
I agree. While this could escalate if we feed the troll, North Korea, it can also die in obscurity in time. Of course South Korea has already had enough. They've issued the ultimatum: "Attack us again and there will be severe repercussions"...which amounts to a veiled war threat, sternly worded.

Of course this means if South Korea actually launches a military campaign, the US will no doubt step in too, and offer additional troops and supplies. I'd say it's about time, since North Korea has needed a good punishing, and not just the slaps on the wrist that the UN is so fond of issuing. If South Korea and China weren't so close, I'd say we should drop a big fat juicy N-Bomb on their cocky asses and be done with it. We know that'd set 'em back a good ways, even if we didn't drop the nuke directly on a populated area. I think we might be able to drop a few tiny nukes on them though but even then the damage might be too dire.

Nuclear Warfare? Over the deaths of two people and some light skirmishing? Doing that would be akin to starting WWIII right here and now. Not a snowball's chance in hell. The repercussions of using a nuclear warhead would be so vast and crippling we'd be the ones set back.

LadySurreal November 24th, 2010 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Live_Wire466 (Post 6306899)


Nuclear Warfare? Over the deaths of two people and some light skirmishing? Doing that would be akin to starting WWIII right here and now. Not a snowball's chance in hell. The repercussions of using a nuclear warhead would be so vast and crippling we'd be the ones set back.

I doubt there'd be a nuclear war, considering how close the borders are. Unless North Korea's suicidal, which we don't even know if they are. All we know is that they attack, kill, make an excuse, get excused.

Ivysaur November 25th, 2010 1:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Trap-Eds (Post 6306649)
...What?? What is the point of all this? What will bombing S. Korea prove?

That Kim Jong Un, KJ Il's son and successor, is a "brave" military leader. He's only 29 and he has just been rised to the top of a crazy dictatorship, and he's now surrounded by 70 year old veterans who fought during the Korean War back in the 50's with his grandfather. They want to see some evidence of his "courage" before trusting him, or else he's risking a coup d'etat once his dad is gone.

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Originally Posted by Trap-Eds (Post 6306649)
Yeah. Unless they ASK us to go help, why can't South Korea and China handle it themselves? Seriously?

Too late, Korea already asked the US for protection 60 years ago. An US aircraft carrier is already on route to SK, so I don't think they can now take it away if the situation gets worse.

Livewire November 25th, 2010 8:49 AM

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Originally Posted by LadySurreal (Post 6306918)
I doubt there'd be a nuclear war, considering how close the borders are. Unless North Korea's suicidal, which we don't even know if they are. All we know is that they attack, kill, make an excuse, get excused.

Kim Jong Il is the head of a fanatical totalitarian Dictatorship. I wouldn't leave anything off the table in terms of what they're willing to do.

LadySurreal November 25th, 2010 9:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Live_Wire466 (Post 6307387)


Kim Jong Il is the head of a fanatical totalitarian Dictatorship. I wouldn't leave anything off the table in terms of what they're willing to do.

Well, if he is that suicidal, China and Russia must get involved if KJI actually tries something like that. US, Japan, South Korea, Philippines, Canada, New Zealand and Australia are signed to a Free-Trade Pact with Russia and China, doing something like this would risk Russia to rot with only Iran and China or others to trade with, but Germany's the world 2nd largest exporter and Iran's biggest trade partner as well as Russia's major trading partner in the West. It would be a chaotic mess.


TL;DR - KJI tries to do that: China and Russia would have no choice but to stop him.

Melody November 25th, 2010 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by LadySurreal (Post 6306891)
Pretty funny how all I did was voice a harsh opinion that the majority of this forum don't agree on and now I'm considered a troll. That could also mean the mod who got us all into this argument can also be called a troll for mentioning my friend being eaten by a Liberal only because I claim most of them are not even liberals, just following a trend. After all, if she/he would actually read my post and notice there's nothing saying we should slaughter all liberals or leftists, only that most "liberals" are trend followers and don't care what democrats really think, now I am suddenly a troll. I thought the so called "Free-Thinking" and "tolerant" liberals would look beyond just the word "Troll" but rather "Someone with an opinion". Now I am considered a Conservative aren't I, considering what I said previously about my support for Gay Marriage?


All I did was got into an argument, if arguing with someone who share a different view on things is considered trolling, then I suggest PC as a whole stop discussing Politics or anything that can get people to argue on their point-of-view. If you really think this is trolling, I beg you guys to go on Omegle.


I guess I'm a troll as well as everyone else because I say I'm expecting a third World War out of the current situation in Korea.

You simplemindedly supposed I was talking about you. If you had paid attention to the structure of my sentence, you'd have noted that I said "...troll, North Korea, ...". I set "North Korea" off with commas to signify that I was referring to the country as a troll.

They call that an appositive in English, and it is used to give additional information.

Mr. X November 25th, 2010 10:52 AM

Here is the thing. If NK gets a nuke, its all over. Bye bye world. I wrote this as a joke a while back and all my friends laughed at. They weren't laughing because it was funny. They were laughing because they could see something like this happening.

If NK gets a nuke, its bye bye world. NK would nuke SK, we would nuke NK back. The radation would spread into china and in retaliation they would either nuke us, or nuke the hell out of SK. We in turn nuke China and then Russia nukes everybody just for the hell of it. Soon after every one is tossing nukes left and right. A hundred years later, everyone has three eyes, four arms, and a whole assortment of other mutations.

Marс November 25th, 2010 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. X (Post 6307574)
Here is the thing. If NK gets a nuke, its all over. Bye bye world. I wrote this as a joke a while back and all my friends laughed at. They weren't laughing because it was funny. They were laughing because they could see something like this happening.

If NK gets a nuke, its bye bye world. NK would nuke SK, we would nuke NK back. The radation would spread into china and in retaliation they would either nuke us, or nuke the hell out of SK. We in turn nuke China and then Russia nukes everybody just for the hell of it. Soon after every one is tossing nukes left and right. A hundred years later, everyone has three eyes, four arms, and a whole assortment of other mutations.

This.

And I'm pretty sure 4 or more are dead now.
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SK's defense minister just resigned, in other words, was fired, after the attacks. This was expected considering the previous attack on the SK's war ship, in which he was criticized heavily.
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LadySurreal November 25th, 2010 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. X (Post 6307574)
Mentally insane people have issues with complex rules of english like the, mentioned above, apositives rule.

But, back to the topic.

Here is the thing. If NK gets a nuke, its all over. Bye bye world. I wrote this as a joke a while back and all my friends laughed at. They weren't laughing because it was funny. They were laughing because they could see something like this happening.

If NK gets a nuke, its bye bye world. NK would nuke SK, we would nuke NK back. The radation would spread into china and in retaliation they would either nuke us, or nuke the hell out of SK. We in turn nuke China and then Russia nukes everybody just for the hell of it. Soon after every one is tossing nukes left and right. A hundred years later, everyone has three eyes, four arms, and a whole assortment of other mutations.

It's so easy to throw in insults such as "Mentally insane people", sure, use what I have as "Mentally Insane Trainer".

To the topic:
If the Chernobyl Incident in Ukraine does such damage, and 20+ years later turns living things into mutants, we wouldn't have three eyes anyway, because we're all dead.

Mr. X November 25th, 2010 11:26 AM

A trainer is a person. Multipule persons are people. A broad generalization, so lemme fix that.

A mentally insane person might have issues with complex rules of english like the, mentioned above, apositives rule.

And again you forgot to read the entire post. If you had, you would have seen that i said i wrote that as a joke. So please, try not to take a stated joke as fact and/or a possiable future.

But thanks for telling me about Chernobyl incident. I already knew about it but i always thought it occured in Russia.

Edit - Knit picking english errors. The Chernobyl incident already occured so the world to use would be did, not does. Basic english really. I think its taught in the 2nd grade.

LadySurreal November 25th, 2010 1:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. X (Post 6307642)
A trainer is a person. Multipule persons are people. A broad generalization, so lemme fix that.

A mentally insane person might have issues with complex rules of english like the, mentioned above, apositives rule.

And again you forgot to read the entire post. If you had, you would have seen that i said i wrote that as a joke. So please, try not to take a stated joke as fact and/or a possiable future.

But thanks for telling me about Chernobyl incident. I already knew about it but i always thought it occured in Russia.

Edit - Knit picking english errors. The Chernobyl incident already occured so the world to use would be did, not does. Basic english really. I think its taught in the 2nd grade.

If you have read the entire post, you'll see I mention Chernobyl now 20+ years later where mutations of life started to appear. What I am saying is that if only one nuclear accident happened like that, despite the radiation being lower than it was 20 years ago, a full out nuclear war would destroy everyone and everything.


So you are assuming I am naturally born in an English speaking country? Learn Esperanto or Greek and have someone point out your mistakes without throwing in mindless insults.

Guy November 25th, 2010 5:32 PM

Guys, let's please keep this discussion civilized. Refrain from the trolling or feeding any trolls, the snarky comments, and disrespect. Also, stay on topic! Anyone who is to continue trolling or acting on any of the earlier things mentioned will receive an infraction as this is your last warning.

Red1530 November 26th, 2010 11:51 AM

The tension on peninsula has gone up in the past day. North Korea has fired toward the island again. However, the rounds fell in the ocean near the border. Also the North Korean government called the planed US-South Korea military exercises a provocation.

Source: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/11/25/general-visit-scene-nkorea-attack/

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire November 26th, 2010 2:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Red1530 (Post 6309464)
The tension on peninsula has gone up in the past day. North Korea has fired toward the island again. However, the rounds fell in the ocean near the border. Also the North Korean government called the planed US-South Korea military exercises a provocation.

Source: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/11/25/general-visit-scene-nkorea-attack/

Whoa, Sk said that if NK attacked them again they will retaliate heavily...this can't be good for the North...
I'm beginning to think we might really have the Korean war start again (The Korean war never really technically ended by the way so it's a restart of the war)

Netto Azure November 26th, 2010 5:00 PM

I seriously do wonder how another conventional war would look considering the US has focused most of it's recent military R&D for the past decade on asymmetrical warfare.

Still during the recent (yet now defunct) military war game I did on another site on the possibility of tensions deteriorating (was based off the sinking of the Chenoan ship) towards resumption of hostilities, the main thing that held us back (as South Korea) on using military force was the possibility of the crude nuclear warheads being used as artillery right onto the main cities. Plus of course the mass of North Koreans going over the DMZ.

Trap-Eds November 26th, 2010 7:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Went (Post 6307002)

That Kim Jong Un, KJ Il's son and successor, is a "brave" military leader. He's only 29 and he has just been rised to the top of a crazy dictatorship, and he's now surrounded by 70 year old veterans who fought during the Korean War back in the 50's with his grandfather. They want to see some evidence of his "courage" before trusting him, or else he's risking a coup d'etat once his dad is gone.



...Wow. So is everything up to Kim Jong Un now, or is KJ Il still in power?

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Too late, Korea already asked the US for protection 60 years ago. An US aircraft carrier is already on route to SK, so I don't think they can now take it away if the situation gets worse.
Aw darn it...Hopefully this can be solved without nuclear bombs going amuck. The world is screwed up enough.

Livewire November 26th, 2010 8:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Trap-Eds (Post 6310391)

...Wow. So is everything up to Kim Jong Un now, or is KJ Il still in power?



Aw darn it...Hopefully this can be solved without nuclear bombs going amuck. The world is screwed up enough.

In all technicality Kim Jon Il is still the effective Dictator of North Korea. His son would inherit the Dictatorship either A. if his father dies or B. he abdicates. But this is obviously an attempt to build PR for his son and to ensure the continuity of the status quo of power within Jong Il's government. He doesn't want there to be a revolution after he dies.

OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire November 28th, 2010 11:35 AM

Sk and NK are only one step from All out war it seems...
The Us and Sk went ahead with their military exercises...I'll like to see if the North will carry out their treat or if it was a bluff...


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